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What other RB, past or present is most similar to Barkley?

trueblueinpw : 6/2/2020 1:44 pm
Talking pigskin at work today and we were trying to think of which running back in the NFL was most like Barkley. We came up with Barry Sanders, because he could score anytime he touched the ball from anywhere on the field and Sanders was a terrific receiver. But the body type obvy isn’t the same. The other backs we considered were Walter Payton, which is close but I think Payton was a much more physical runner than Barks has been so far. I was also thinking maybe Eric Dickerson? He was so smooth and he had that get away gear where he just seemed to pull away from the defenders.

Ultimately though, none of these seems quite right as a comparison to Saquon. Barkley is so strong and so big and fast and with good hands and smart and great off the field too (which isn’t necessarily part of the comparison but I think Walter Payton was the greatest RB and a great person). Anyway, what back do you think he’s most like, past or present?
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LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/3/2020 9:35 am : link
The rationalization here is funny!

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even Payton, who finally won as a passenger at the very end, were sideshows not part of winning teams


Over 1500 yards and 9 TD's is being a "passenger"?? I like how you didn't mention the RB's who he's compared to who had team success like Brown, Dorsett and Faulk.

Not only that, it was another way to work in the angle that it is management's fault!!
RE: Similar to?  
mfsd : 6/3/2020 9:37 am : link
In comment 14914688 Big Blue '56 said:
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Most RBs in the later rounds...


Haha this is the post of the thread.

The question is, who is Sam Darnold most similar to?

I’d say a combo of Brady, Marino and Montana, only better. With the speed of Vick and the size and durability of Big Ben.

In fact the only real Darnold comp is Superman.
RE: Saquon Barkley  
KDavies : 6/3/2020 9:46 am : link
In comment 14914824 arniefez said:
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seems like a good person and someone worth rooting for. You don't have to be a SR VP of Player Personnel to see he is insanely talented and has athletic gifts that are rare.

While being one of the worst teams in the NFL using the 2nd pick in the draft on a RB is one of the biggest of dozens of horrible decisions the Giants have made since Super Bowl 46.

The horse is dead from explaining the lack of positional value, salary cap implications and lack of supporting talent.

The Giants record since Barkley was drafted speaks for itself.

So many of the great RBs that people on this thread are WAY WAY prematurely comparing Barkley to never won a thing. Sanders, OJ, Dickerson, even Payton, who finally won as a passenger at the very end, were sideshows not part of winning teams.

Barkley is two years in let's see where he is 5 years from now.


Um, ok. Those players were hardly sideshows. Obviously, you need more than just a great RB to win football games. Big insight there.

Are you seriously arguing that there is a correlation to where great RBs lead to losing football? You conveniently leave out all of the great RBs that have been on winning teams, including some mentioned in this thread (ie. Faulk).

I can cite Dan Marino and leave out all of the great QBs who have won SBs and say just because you have a great QB, doesn't mean you win. Genius argument.
Sweetness, a passenger?  
trueblueinpw : 6/3/2020 9:51 am : link
Baha haha!

In a year of ridiculous statements, that may actually be the most ridiculous.

But, yeah, thanks for coming out.
Bigger, more powerful version of Faulk but a different kind of wiggle  
JonC : 6/3/2020 9:58 am : link
He has rare elusiveness especially for 230 lbs and is very hard to tackle for one defender, but I don't see a ton of Sanders in him. Sanders was unique in that defenders struggled to even lay a hand on him.

He's got some Bo Jackson in him in how he can get to and capture the edge for breakaway runs, but no back had Bo's blazing straight line speed.

The only back that reminds me of Dickerson was Ahman Green, with the smooth, silent, pumping high knee sprinter's gate. Dickerson was next-generation talent in his prime.
What would Elway do without that passenger  
UConn4523 : 6/3/2020 9:59 am : link
Terrell Davis?
Sideshows  
LBH15 : 6/3/2020 10:04 am : link
Barry Sanders
OJ Simpson
Eric Dickerson
Walter Peyton


Tomlinson is a good answer  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2020 10:19 am : link
he was probably a little better between the tackles and Barkley a little better home run hitter, but pretty similar. 2 best all around running backs since Marshall Faulk probably (since AP was never as much of a threat as a receiver).

Just need to hope Saquon can have the same kind of longevity as those guys.

Tomlinson had 8 1k seasons, 5 pro bowls, and 3 all pro.
Faulk had 7 1k seasons, 8 pro bowls, and 3 all pro.

Saquon is 2/2 with 1k seasons and has 1 pro bowl so he is on track if he can have another 5 good years out of the 7 years left in his 20's.
Like Barkley  
blueblood : 6/3/2020 10:51 am : link
hasnt done enough for me yet to give an accurate comparison. Right now Id say Faulk or Edgerrin James.
I’m thinking Faulk is the closest...  
trueblueinpw : 6/3/2020 11:48 am : link
Barks is mid height for a back, so not long and strong like E Dick and Eddie George and AP. Not short and hiding behind the OL before exploding into the second level LBs like Emitt and Barry. Your gonna see Barks coming at you but he’s got that wiggle in the hole, he can run over LBs and he’s got that get away gear in the third level.

He’s just not physical enough for me to compare him to Sweetness. Sweetness is the second greatest football player I’ve ever seen in my lifetime. And man was he physical. If you could catch him, he’d often make you wish you couldn’t. But body type, raw talent and overall game seem really close. Payton was a great team member, an outstanding human being and he was an amazing worker and everything I read about Barks is similar.

Faulk seems like the best fit. I’m thinking here again about body type and talent set. Faulk was a terrific route runner and could read the defenses. I’m really hoping Garrett can get DJ8 and Barks some synergy and some great plays. This too though is gonna depend on Barks ability to pass pro.

And yeah, I know Barks has a lot more to accomplish before he’s in the same room as Faulk and Payton who are two of the all time greatest ever to buckle a chin strap in the NFL. But he’s got the skills and the work ethic. Really looking forward to seeing what he does this season.
Passenger  
crick n NC : 6/3/2020 4:15 pm : link
Seeing TD on that list ^  
trueblueinpw : 6/3/2020 4:47 pm : link
At 5'11" Dorsett is the same height as Barks but 40 pounds lighter! Barks is a freaking beast man. Speaking of beast's, Saquon is also the same height as Marshawn Lynch who's listed at 215. It's just crazy to think of how Barks can move that much weight the way he does. He could be such a punisher!
Barkley is a Very Large Barry Sanders  
DannyBoy : 6/4/2020 6:50 am : link
Who is going to learn to become more of a buiser as he fills out.
Imagine that, he is going to get bigger and stronger.
Stay healthy my man, you have the chance to be
on another level, God Willing.
RE: I see  
giants#1 : 6/4/2020 9:33 am : link
In comment 14914686 ChicagoMarty said:
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a lot of Adrian Peterson in his prime in that Pete could break away on any play at any time. He also could fumble at any time but that reminds more of our qb than our rb.


Both also struggle in pass protection, though on the flip side, AP couldn't catch a cold.

To date, I think Barkley's closest comp is Sanders due to his ability to take a negative play and turn it into an 80 yard score. But despite a high volume of catches, Barkley's been severely underutilized in the passing game. He has Faulk potential there.
Faulk was my comp when we drafted him...  
Torrag : 6/4/2020 3:01 pm : link
and I'm sticking with it. As or more dangerous as a receiver in the open field as he is running the ball. Maybe moreso because it eliminates his penchant for losing yards trying to evade penetration and hit a homerun every play. Never hurt your teams down and distance with negative plays. Positive yards every play is the proper mindset. Which is something I hope the new RB coach will drill into him.


Curt Warner  
Spike13 : 6/5/2020 5:11 am : link
Seattle. Penn. State Alum, if I’m not mistaken. With a dash of Byner & a hint of Word
Barkley the legend or Barkley the reality?  
Ivan15 : 6/5/2020 8:29 am : link
So far, the reality has not come close to the legend!
RE: Barkley the legend or Barkley the reality?  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/5/2020 9:25 am : link
In comment 14915667 Ivan15 said:
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So far, the reality has not come close to the legend!


I think we are talking about the Saquon Barkley who in 2 years has:

- 23 TD's
- 2,310 rushing yards
- 143 receptions
- 1159 receiving yards

I'm not sure what reality you are looking for.

In 29 games, he has 3,460 total yards. That's 119 yards per game

There's a reality in your post, but I don't think you'll be too happy about what it reflects....
RE: RE: Barkley the legend or Barkley the reality?  
Big Blue '56 : 6/5/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 14915683 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14915667 Ivan15 said:


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So far, the reality has not come close to the legend!



I think we are talking about the Saquon Barkley who in 2 years has:

- 23 TD's
- 2,310 rushing yards
- 143 receptions
- 1159 receiving yards

I'm not sure what reality you are looking for.

In 29 games, he has 3,460 total yards. That's 119 yards per game

There's a reality in your post, but I don't think you'll be too happy about what it reflects....


Do NOT leave out his HAS that inhibited some of his movement after missing 4 games. Those 2 year stats should come with an *
I left out a bit of  
Spike13 : 6/5/2020 8:21 pm : link
Wilbert Montgomery.
RE: Barkley the legend or Barkley the reality?  
Milton : 6/5/2020 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14915667 Ivan15 said:
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So far, the reality has not come close to the legend!
Are you fucking kidding me???
This is the reality.... - ( New Window )
RE: Faulk was my comp when we drafted him...  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/7/2020 6:14 pm : link
In comment 14915453 Torrag said:
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and I'm sticking with it. As or more dangerous as a receiver in the open field as he is running the ball. Maybe moreso because it eliminates his penchant for losing yards trying to evade penetration and hit a homerun every play. Never hurt your teams down and distance with negative plays. Positive yards every play is the proper mindset. Which is something I hope the new RB coach will drill into him.



Personally, I think any "problem" associated with Barkley is much more a function of the OLine the Giants have afforded him, than his "penchant for trying to avoid tacklers to hit the home run play."

But it makes you sound like you're sorta onto something, I guess.

Pssst... Dodging tacklers in the backfield might just as well be trying to avoid a loss, as opposed to trying to do too much.
I agree  
UConn4523 : 6/7/2020 7:00 pm : link
look at any talented RB on a team with bad blocking. You can say the same thing.

He isn’t perfect and there’s plays that being a bit more patient would have benefitted, but he still hits those home runs, some of which he did when not following the script.
Gayle Sayers...  
x meadowlander : 6/8/2020 1:58 pm : link
...rabbit quickness, smooth acceleration.

Barkley has the tools to be one of the all time greats. Hopefully, he has a career with a solid OL.
'Dodging tacklers in the backfield'  
Torrag : 6/8/2020 2:23 pm : link
There's a difference between 'dodging tacklers' and knowing when you're beat, literally going backwards or reversing your field resulting in greater loss of yards, field position and down and distance. Barkley is guilty of this at times. 99% of the time that play is dead. The success rate is so low in those situations it qualifies as a bad decision. It comes from self confidence but experience and maturity should begin to temper those moments. As well as better coaching.



^^^in those situations referenced above...  
Torrag : 6/8/2020 2:24 pm : link
the play is too stick it up in there, use his power and get what you can.


1st two posts nailed it  
Sonic Youth : 6/8/2020 3:04 pm : link
he reminds me of Tomlinson and Faulk, but moreso Tomlinson.

I actually think Zeke is a good comparison, but IMO Zeke is a better ball carrier (could be the OL though)
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