Giants still doesn't Baker participate in virtual off season

With a little bit of “didn’t suck” mixed in.

In comment 14915291 ron mexico said:

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With a little bit of “didn’t suck” mixed in.

Well if you say so.

Baker has allowed a 149.9 passer rating (worst in NFL), 629 yards (third most) and six touchdowns (tied for second most) so far this season, per PFF
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and the heated discussions about drafting him at all (giving up three picks yet). Now he follows up with this. DG could swing for this if Baker turns out to be a complete bust because of his attitude and work ethic history. Character counts a lot with the Giants who have been burned before (Plaxico, Shockey, OBJ etc.). Mara / Tisch want them gone now.

In comment 14915247 ron mexico said:

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This happened. You don’t prioritize the secondary in FA and the draft to the extent they did if they think they have a young stud already on the roster.

They needed to replace Bethea and Jenkins, so they drafted McKinney and signed Bradberry. Slot CB was an issue, so they drafted Holmes. I don't think Baker factored into their decision-making at all, his play last year or his legal troubles.

In comment 14915316 ron mexico said:

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Baker has allowed a 149.9 passer rating (worst in NFL), 629 yards (third most) and six touchdowns (tied for second most) so far this season, per PFF Link - ( New Window )

I won't. He struggled, and had some flashes. If they are cutting him it will be based on his legal issues or if they think he won't work hard at fixing his play or his off the field choices. He won't be cut because he had a bad rookie year. CB is a really hard position to adapt to and any other 1st or 2nd rounder would be given more than a year to fix it.

I've also seen some rankings of Ballentines play being worse, and he isn't getting cut either.

Genuinely curious.

Anyway saying he won’t get cut for his terrible play but instead for the underlying issues that led to his terrible play is an exercise in semantics I’m not that interested in.

you're likely just digging into the knee-jerk reaction you had immediately after his arrest where his career was finished and it was a terrible pick.

That's the exercise you like to participate in....

In comment 14915350 ron mexico said:

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Genuinely curious. Anyway saying he won’t get cut for his terrible play but instead for the underlying issues that led to his terrible play is an exercise in semantics I’m not that interested in.

There are a number of games where Baker shut down his opponent. Sy covered them in his game reviews which are still archived. But he was very inconsistent.

In comment 14915350 ron mexico said:

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Genuinely curious. Anyway saying he won’t get cut for his terrible play but instead for the underlying issues that led to his terrible play is an exercise in semantics I’m not that interested in.

Well you seemed to make this about his play not just his legal issues, hence my post. I don't think its semantics at all, they are two wildly different situations (legal issues vs. play/talent), only the fate can be the same (cut/traded/retained).

That's all i've got on it, if you think he sucks we will see in 2020 if hes still here and playing. He wouldn't be the first player to not play well and turn it around, its actually happened to us with Webster and others. I'm going to go ahead and see how it goes from here.

In comment 14915354 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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you're likely just digging into the knee-jerk reaction you had immediately after his arrest where his career was finished and it was a terrible pick. That's the exercise you like to participate in....

Link?

comments about it being a terrible pick. It wasn't once it was repeatedly. And in the end you could be right. But right now he's still a Giant and hopefully will be playing football for us. If that happens we will see how he does on the field.

Not a good look to act like you never said that, you've actually said it often. Don't know about the "career over" part but your numerous posts suggest you either A don't want him here anymore or B think the Giants should get rid of him. Don't want to assume but I don't think i'm far off on it.

In comment 14915323 TMS said:

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and the heated discussions about drafting him at all (giving up three picks yet). Now he follows up with this. DG could swing for this if Baker turns out to be a complete bust because of his attitude and work ethic history. Character counts a lot with the Giants who have been burned before (Plaxico, Shockey, OBJ etc.). Mara / Tisch want them gone now.

Any luck with those OT draft profiles that had all four OTs as late first/early second grades? Or any explanation for why you said Joe Judge should have to answer for his decision to draft DeAndre Baker?

Maybe stop phrasing your own baseless (and often, factually incorrect) opinions as those of anyone else? Or worse, as though they're facts?

And feel pretty safe in that assessment.

Let me ask you if gettleman had a time machine And could do something different on draft day, do you still think he takes Baker?

But you can get a good deal on a baker jersey right now if you have confidence in him.




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I have made post saying that would be a stupid idea

but don't stop at Gettelman for that, ask Belichick if he'd draft someone other than Harry, for example. Don't really see the point in doing this, I never said Baker was a great pick. I said i'd like to see year 2 and even year 3 before putting a label on it.