Ceiling for 2020 NYG?

New first time head coach, new offensive system, new defensive system, second year QB with a new playbook, up to 3 new starters/assignments on the oline, 3 new starters in the secondary, new middle linebacker.

Add that to an unorthodox offseason.

Even without a talent issue, the program is going to take time to get going.

In comment 14915012 JonC said:

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Three biggest issues remain : talent at OL, Edge, WR on top of the new coaches and systems and a more limited offseason of work. 4-6 wins.

I have to agree with this.

if and when they turn the arrow pointing up, there will be surprise performances and wins. If they play with intense focus the football will be crisp, low on mental errors, and they will smack their opponents in the mouth for sixty minutes. At this point, those are the signs I'm looking for.

Has it correct, only way this team takes a jump forward is on the potential growth of Daniel Jones. He will have to makes undefensible passes that win games while limiting turnovers. Big ask.

We will be playing with 11 people on defense this year. Bethea just wasn't an NFL player last year and I"m not sure if Ogeltree sucked that bad or just stopped caring (or both).

It is reasonable to expect improved performance from Jones and the OL and with a healthy Barkley we could have a good offense.

DJ needs to curb the fumbling, the oline has to show improvement and the secondary has to stop folks every now and then on 3rd down.

Is all that going to happen over the season? Maybe they get to mediocrity to the end the season but doesn’t feel like it will be out of the gate.

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pointing UP!

uhhhh, SuperBowl win

cant help here (staing the obvious)
Expecting slow start, hopefully play hard, focused, together
may 6-7 wins with hopefully only 2-3 major holes to fill to become legit contender in 2021
Should be able to get 1-2 solid FA in 2021 and once more solid draft to real respectability

If the season had started normally. Given how they have to adjust due COVID I say 7 wins

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Obviously it's always the goal to get to the playoffs. I would love to get DJ8 some playoffs experience.

I suppose a more realistic goal is to get the Giants playing meaningful football games after Halloween.

It's hard to imagine this actually happening, but I'd say realistically 1 playoff win is the ceiling for this team.

Parcels had a terrible first season. The Maras stuck with him, and the rest is history. Trust in Judge for the long term.

In comment 14915083 Greg from LI said:

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Nice, beat me to it.

In comment 14914989 giants#1 said:

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and becomes a top 10 QB, then they can make some noise. Big IF? Mahomes in his 2nd year was one of if not the best player in the entire sport. The 10th QB in the league wasn't in the same universe as Mahomes in his 2nd year. (big IF)

Big IF? Mahomes in his 2nd year was one of if not the best player in the entire sport. The 10th QB in the league wasn't in the same universe as Mahomes in his 2nd year.

If Daniel Jones becomes an All Pro, league MVP, 50TD, fewer than 20 total turnover type quarterback -- the Giants better be in the playoffs.

and we have very little info on what to expect from either this year. Hope springs eternal but a lot would have to go right for us to get to 9 wins.

win division...win a playoff game

only some years it seems a lot higher than others:

S U P E R B O W L !!!

In comment 14915012 JonC said:

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Three biggest issues remain : talent at OL, Edge, WR on top of the new coaches and systems and a more limited offseason of work. 4-6 wins.

Pretty much sums it up for me. Another Top 10 pick at either Edge or WR would benefit this program immensely.

I’d take that in a heart beat! I don’t think they’ll be there yet, but I do think they’ll be competitive this year and show improvement throughout the year. 6 wins is probably closer to the ceiling.

than that of almost every other team in the league. New system, young players, still a weak O-line, and tactically it will be easy for other teams to attack our weaknesses on both sides of the ball. 6-7 wins would be a "good" season. IF we've drafted well AND it's a good coaching staff, then we can expect to be competitive in the NFC East in 2021, and the ceiling will rise.

and playoff game

And we can expect Special Teams to excel. But the Defense obviously has to improve. I see a lot of arrows point upward, including better coaching, better players, captains, leaders, more speed, and tons of upside.

I like what several of you said about the upside being meaningful games in December. That’s what you hope for, so we can all stay in the game.

Barkley will be running behind the best line NYG has fielded since he arrived here. Saquon will have an absolutely legendary season.

Too much to overcome given the pandemic, and we still have an OL and defense with plenty of question marks. I’d like to see some semi-consistent stops on 3rd down for a change before I get more hopeful.

Takes a Giant leap into not good QB but top 3 NFL QB's don't see that happening. First of all if he can become a top ten NFL QB consistently that from years four to eleven the gamble would have paid off. I know we all want to see more victories but this lacks talent still. The schedule along with so many other variables are against a very young team and coaching staff.

Now let's be honest we have hopefully a hand full of very good players the rest are in decline, medical or production questions and youth. Yet some see a 5 or more wins season how will that happen? We are who we have shown we are a team in the early stages of rebuild that's not secret. When we drafted Eli the roster was solid we hoped he would lead us to the promise land. Even in the Eli era we could not find consistency let's try to really build a strong winning team.

This time of year I am always thinking Super Bowl. I agree with most of the pessimistic analysis here, but I can't help it. I go into the season looking for a SB. So what has to happen to have this go from pipe dream to having a chance of happening?:

1). Daniel Jones - eliminate fumbles. Marginal improvement elsewhere. With no fumbles and map his numbers to 16 games I think he was a top 10 QB last year.
2). Coaching - to think we have a chance you have to believe the primary problem last year was coaching not talent.
A). Defense - when your CB is 2 feet away from the receiver it is talent. When your CB is 15 feet away from the receiver it is coaching. I don't think we really know what our talent is like on defense especially in the secondary. As far as I could tell nobody knew where they were supposed to be except maybe the one guy who kept tripping over his walker trying to get there.
B). O-Line - if the problem was coaching the three returnees plus Thomas could well be enough to protect a weak center. Better play calling and learning to handle a stunt or two, could go a long way to being a c+ or B- line. The talent infusion from the draft could make it even better.
3). Coaching - the new staff has to be really good and overcome the difficulty of coaching in a Covid world.
4). Limited injuries - probably the largest factor in variance over time in the NFL.

Give me those four things and I say we have a shot at the Super Bowl. I will continue to think that until the whistle blows after game 1. Then I will probably be a pessimist.

with all of the changes and lack of actual practice. I think the coaching has improved overall so that is a plus and shoudl account for a few wins. I think DJ will be put on a position to succeed, remeber that Garrett has experience in getting young QBs ready and playing at a high level. He did it with Dak and prior also helped Tony Romo.

The D should be improved as well. I think there will be more creativity on D and everyone will know their assignments better. there wont be as many guys running free. the secondary and LBs should be improved with the additions and better coaching.

I see this as an 8-8 team. If DJ make a leap I can see it getting to 10 wins. If we have a lot of injuries I can see us at 5 wins. keys to this team are if we can find a Center out of what we have and if DJ makes a jump from last year. A good O will help out the D.

I feel good about Judge long-term, but I expect a lot of mistakes as a rookie head coach. I think the team is trending in a good direction, but I don't expect them to look good at the beginning of the season at all.

if there is a 2020. But I hope they play like the Dolphins did at the end of 2019 by the end of 2020. I think the Giants are on the right path with this HC and QB. But that's just hope. We'll see.

In comment 14915324 rnargi said:

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Fucking murderer!!!

Is gonna be huge, imo. Yeah, you can say that about everybody, but in our case it is especially. A new staff with a huge roster turnover is gonna need every bit of that time to see what we have as far as cohesion goes.
It’d be great to be 2-2 going to Dallas so that game, if a loss, wouldn’t be critical.

Columbus Day weekend. My bar is THAT freaking low.

Dallas and Philly are heading the wrong direction. I'll believe snyder can keep his hands off the team when I see it happen, so wash is doomed.

So we could win the division if we over achieve this year. Against the better teams though we'll be outclassed even if we make major strides as a team.

But why do you think the Cowboys are on the way down?

O-line and defense are both slowly degrading. They're in cap hell and they're QB has gone greedy on them.

I do think they've drafted well recently since the son took that over...unfortunately. Not enough to keep them on the top tier of playoff hopefuls imo.

It's very hard to go undefeated in both the regular season and playoffs.

Took over the redskins. They lost like every game first half of the season...second half they were the best team in the league.

In comment 14915461 Chris in San Diego said:

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Took over the redskins. They lost like every game first half of the season...second half they were the best team in the league.

How about when Fassel took over the Giants in 1997? They started 1-3 and finished 10-5-1! I would take that, but much prefer 15-1.

Something like that! Establish an identity...something that they do well consistantly!

Roof

with no preparation time. they won’t be an NFL comparable team until 8 games into season. So if they win 2 games in first eight that’s a lot, and then maybe can win 4-5 out of last 8. that’s the best with good bounces, low injuries and reasonable calls. so let’s say 6 wins max 2 wins least.

Including that Anita Marks take the under on the NYG win total of 6. Marks has the NYG at 1-7 at the midpoint.

That would certainly be depressing.

In comment 14915452 Torrag said:

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Dallas and Philly are heading the wrong direction. I'll believe snyder can keep his hands off the team when I see it happen, so wash is doomed. So we could win the division if we over achieve this year. Against the better teams though we'll be outclassed even if we make major strides as a team.

Philly has the best shot to win this division because they are returning their coaching and systems in tact.

The Giants are at a big disadvantage along with the Boys and Redskins due to the coaching staff changes. That is a given.
The key to our season could be getting early, "lucky" wins. I mean, Pittsburgh could come out flat on Monday night and our special teams shine and we eek out a 24-23 win with a last second field goal. That kind of thing early would be nice.

I do believe if this team gets a full training camp in, well, then we need to stay healthy for hopes of a good season where we are at least competitive. I'll take 9-7 in a bad division. But we'd have to be lucky early and healthy throughout.