rather than OL in his early rounds.
2017: Engram over Ramzsyk
2016: Apple over Tunsil (ok, bong) OR Decker
2015: Flowers...well, finally an OT, but he got it wrong
2014: Beckham over Zach Martin or Donald
The above are guys that I and a whole lot of folks on the Board wanted at the time...this is not hindsight.
I also fault him for not taking a 7th round flyer on La'el Collins; force him to sit out a year, or for another team to trade with us for his rights.
I don't fault him for Pugh in 2013; he was decent for an 18th pick, and I'm not gonna bust his balls that Frederick went 32nd(?) that year.
Given our pitiful OL at the time, I even felt frustrated in 2018 when DG went with Barkley, who like OBJ is a GREAT talent. Not because he didn't go QB there, but considering our OL issues, I'd have at least explored what I could land in a trade down with both Nelson and McGlinchey as targets, both of whom I loved.
I'm not doing a look at me here, I'm just venting some more about Reese primarily. This link got me going again.
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Are you still frustrated that George Young matched the offer sheet to Rodney Hampton?
How about when Accorsi traded up to get Sinorice Moss?
sometimes it's healthiest to just let it go and focus on the present.
He had an eye for talent on some positions WR and DB and was absolutely dreadful on others. Philosophically, I never agreed with him and I never could stomach his approach to the DT position.
Yes,the team won two superbowls under his watch.However, the core of those teams were built under Accorsi. Jerry as head scout had a big role in building those teams but he probably peaked in that position.
This pretty sums it up in one post.
This myth is getting as old as the Saints 1st round pick
if ownership is picking the scouts or insisting he retain lousy scouts because they're friends of the organization, that's entirely different.
Who was responsible for ross? He was 100% a reese hire just as gettleman brought in mark koncz and promoted chris pettit.
John mara had to literally kick reese and ross out of the building to go scout some quarterbacks and draft eligible players before reese was eventually fired.
I always hear or read that gettleman, and / or pettit is at this college game or that game.
This is not to bash reese as I appreciate all he did for the organization as a scout and as a general manager early on, but those 2 philosophies (and it showed in his drafts) killed the team.
The JPP of tight ends....smh
That’s what I was getting at, TrueBlue. Even the high OL picks, aside from Flowers, were more AA guys than power guys.
2) Other teams make bad picks, too. The draft is crapshooty.
And I know the OP was complaining more about Reese's priorities than his actual picks, but the thread has evolved.
2) Other teams make bad picks, too. The draft is crapshooty.
And I know the OP was complaining more about Reese's priorities than his actual picks, but the thread has evolved.
None of us (I think anyway) know Reese or what went on in their meetings, etc. so it’s pretty much impossible to answer the first question. Based on Reese’s interactions with the media, and particularly how cocky Marc Ross is, I don’t think they consulted David Diehl, Chris Snee, Kareem McKenzie, Rich Seubert, or Shaun O’Hara on any of their picks. In Reese and Ross’ defense (can’t believe I just said I would defend Ross), but ex-players aren’t always correct in their evaluations either.
I believe Eric always says this, but "the catch" against Dallas is what really sent OBJ off the rails. That's tough to predict.
FWIW, I wanted Martin that year, but did not trust Donald. I thought OBJ was gonna be a throwaway Hilliard WR. So I definitely didn't have it right, and was proved wrong by the results, albeit in the short term.
Del, that keeps me up nights. :-)
Their 1st 2 Rds were relatively decent but absolutely disaster after that where they should earn their money. I probably blame Ross more as Reese must depend on him.....but this falls as an average result.
Thw OL was their Achilles....as no matter what they did ....it failed badly...their ego didn't help.
To make matters worse, the Giants have had decent GMs, like Young, Acrosi and I think history will be kind to Gettleman.....so they look worse by comparison.
But I would put them as average with a major negative on OL.
They both were/are in almost similar situations. There was no easy way out of it..
Reese's failures to improve the OL get cited here frequently because they are the root cause of the downturn we've seen.
But we shouldn't forget the praise that reese deservedly got too. "In Reese We Trust"! The 2 SB's. The early round picks that were very strong.
Because of the poor preceding seasons, Gettleman has taken flak here since day 1. The excuses made for him aren't excuses made regarding his picks, it is more a rebuttal of the over the top criticism that has been here from day 1. The expectations to turn the team around immediately. The idea that Barkley was a bad pick. There's been hardly anything good said about him as GM, even though it looks like the #1 picks in his first two drafts are going to be cornerstones here.
That was before he ever made a single move.
And you weren't alone.
Not sure I agree about Getts, I've been lurking and from what i've could gather, Gets did get blamed for the 1st year, deservedely so, but not for the reasons that i beleive. I thought the roster was not that bad but it needed a coaching overhaul from Mcadoo. But the picks in FA was a disater to me
Hiring Schumer was a disaster. No way around it. I think jettisooning OBJ was wrong, but i'm not getting into that.
Drafts are hard to grade. Just bcuz the majority of them started year 1 does not mean they are good. It just means that they had to start bcuz there was no other available option, but somehow, this is a plus for Getts, which makes no sense
Personally, i'm in wait and see mode. Been that way for the last 4 years. I have no feel on this team. For the record, I understand the Barkley pick, it was the right one, but for the wrong team. I understood the Jones pick. makes perfect sense. I just wish they would have gave him more weapons.
Overall, It's a work in progress. i don't feel strongly on the way we are heading one way or another. Too many moving parts and not enough substance.
Those are all good points. I get painted as a Gettleman supporter, but it is more as a rebuttal to a lot of the criticism. He's made some very poor moves here. He also inherited a team in disarray and is working out of it.
His legacy or failure will be defined by how the team does this season and by how Jones and Barkley play out the rest of their career's in NY.
Getts. to me was in a no-win situation, like the end of Reese tenure. You had a aging QB, declining, 2x SB winner who still wanted to play and still on a contract. There were no real good options to deal with his Eli's depending departure. He stumbled, but may have gotten it on track with Jones and Barkley. And I agree, his legacy is riding on Jones and barkly, but for some reason, i don't think he is long for this team. I can't see the Giants paying him a 2nd contract. Unless, this team turns into the Cowboys this year.
Well, Parcells wanted Reggie White, but he didn’t have a lot of traction after the disastrous 1983 season (where the Giants had 3 wins). George Young wanted to fix the offensive line first and the Giants drafted Gary Zimmerman, but Zimmerman didn’t want to play in New York, so the Giants traded him to the Vikings. Both players are in the Hall of Fame. But imagine if we had Reggie White, George Martin, Leonard Marshall, and Lawrence Taylor...