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DanMetroMan : 6/22/2020 6:12 pm
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pjcas18 : 6/22/2020 8:48 pm : link
So does this mean  
pjcas18 : 6/22/2020 8:49 pm : link
no universal DH? The one thing the Mets could have really used out of this.

Or does it mean it's just for 2020?
RE: So does this mean  
Mad Mike : 6/22/2020 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14923614 pjcas18 said:
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no universal DH? The one thing the Mets could have really used out of this.

Or does it mean it's just for 2020?

The March agreement didn't address that, so as of now there's no change. No geographic realignment, no universal DH. Until the season starts I guess there's always room for negotiation, but obviously the sides haven't done a very good of compromising thus far.
I would almost prefer they just come back next year at this point  
Chris684 : 6/22/2020 9:34 pm : link
They wouldn’t be seeing the field before August 1 at this point anyway. Just chalk it up, it would be some weird version of baseball anyway.

I’d rather they put all their resources into as regular and on schedule an opening day 2021as possible.
RE: I would almost prefer they just come back next year at this point  
CGiants07 : 6/22/2020 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14923635 Chris684 said:
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They wouldn’t be seeing the field before August 1 at this point anyway. Just chalk it up, it would be some weird version of baseball anyway.

I’d rather they put all their resources into as regular and on schedule an opening day 2021as possible.
july 24th in tenative opening day
The way they talk about it on the radio  
Bill L : 6/22/2020 9:45 pm : link
Is that if they don’t play this year, they likely won’t play next year due to work stoppage. And, then there’s a good chance that nobody (fans) will care anymore and the sport will be dead.,
RE: RE: blame the billionaires  
MetsAreBack : 6/22/2020 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14923604 mitch300 said:
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And the players get paid a shit load of money to play a game. How many active ball players could make the same or more money not playing baseball. You th8nk glycerin Torres can make 550 thousand dollars a year not playing baseball.


So what if its a game? I never understood this argument. If it was so easy or fun, why dont you or I just do it? Oh right... because they worked their asses off for 20 years, including offseasons, to get there... just like any other career.

Anyway, this sucks - they couldnt just land at 64-66 games? Both sides are selfish fucks... i blame the owners more, I think its ridiculous players share in the downside but not the upside... but its a relative thing, i hate them all.
I have been anti player in this since jump so have a bias  
bhill410 : 6/22/2020 10:11 pm : link
But this last proposal gave players everything they wanted sans 70 games which at this point is impossible. I am not really sure how anyone can blame owners at this specific time. Frankly am kind of shocked players rejected not sure what else they really want.
RE: Why can’t we blame the players?  
BH28 : 6/22/2020 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14923578 UConn4523 said:
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aren’t their fully guaranteed contracts awesome? How many guys get shut down for multiple years while still being fully paid?

Plenty of blame to go around but those billionaires are the ones taking all the risk, something that shouldnt be glossed over when assessing who to blame.


If you look at it in a vacuum, yes. But for years franchise revenue increases have outpaced the increase of player salaries. I don't think there is any risk for any owners; any losses this year are easily offset by the growth in TV deals, franchise value, etc over the past few years.
Will the minors play too?  
Steve L : 6/22/2020 10:53 pm : link
I would think so. But how?
This season is FUBAR  
Dave in PA : 6/22/2020 11:10 pm : link
Just come back next year ready to go for 162
RE: blame the billionaires  
Matt M. : 6/22/2020 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14923561 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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not the millionaires.

The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
+1 on this one. That doesn't mean players don't need to make some concessions, but I'm with you here.
RE: RE: RE: blame the billionaires  
mitch300 : 6/22/2020 11:48 pm : link
In comment 14923650 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 14923604 mitch300 said:


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And the players get paid a shit load of money to play a game. How many active ball players could make the same or more money not playing baseball. You th8nk glycerin Torres can make 550 thousand dollars a year not playing baseball.



So what if its a game? I never understood this argument. If it was so easy or fun, why dont you or I just do it? Oh right... because they worked their asses off for 20 years, including offseasons, to get there... just like any other career.

Anyway, this sucks - they couldnt just land at 64-66 games? Both sides are selfish fucks... i blame the owners more, I think its ridiculous players share in the downside but not the upside... but its a relative thing, i hate them all.

I understand what your saying. My point is that the reality is that the owners have the upper hand if push comes to shove. If the league wouldn’t excise anymore( owners say screw it) I know it will never happen. But, for arguments sake let’s say it does. No owners life style would change. No player is going to make the same money doing something else. Majority of the players are Latin and come from poverty stricken areas. Mariano Rivera had to use a milk carton fora mitt. Your telling me some of these players wouldn’t play for even 200 thousand a year.yes the owners are making a shit load of money. However, they own the team. Like I said if the players are that unhappy,let them go out and get a real job. I understand they work hard to be the best in the world. All I’m saying is they already are makin* more than 5hey would not playing baseball.
RE: RE: Never any good news  
Matt M. : 6/22/2020 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14923588 SJGiant said:
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Just waiting for CFB to cancel their season...watching the NHL play in August with rinks that wont be able to stay frozen.....no fans for all these phony events

There is no diversion, increased cases, players contracting the virus, labor strife....sorry for the rant but everyone could use some good news about now.





Maybe with no fans, the NHL rinks will be able to keep the rinks frozen.
Is it really impossible to keep the rinks frozenin the summer? How do places like Arizona , San Jose, Tampa, Miami, Atlanta, etc. keep rinks frozen?
And remember the CBA is up after next season  
moespree : 6/22/2020 11:58 pm : link
And seeing how this went, I'd say enjoy the season in 2021 because I don't see much reason to have hope there will be one in 2022.
the players accepting or rejecting was irrelevant - season is 60 games  
Eric on Li : 6/23/2020 12:14 am : link
so this decision wasn't really a money thing, it was the same either way. It's pretty close to impossible for any of us to judge who is more right or wrong on 99% of the minutia they are negotiating. My guess is since the money was the same they preferred to have the right to file (or threaten) grievances if nec over whatever else they could have gained with a deal.

The reason there won't be more games this year is 100% on the owners and their wasting 2 months making the same offer over and over again until it was basically too late. On the positive side however had they not been delayed this long spring training in AZ and FL probably would have been shut down at some point in the last week as a bunch more players tested positive than already have. So perhaps bullet dodged. Hopefully they finalize things and we get a fun 66 days / 60 games.
Why would the players agree to this?  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 6/23/2020 1:12 am : link
They get a sixty game season either way. Why give up their right to file a grievance? For goodwill? That's just nonsense.

Fk em  
OC2.0 : 6/23/2020 3:51 am : link
See ya next year
RE: Why would the players agree to this?  
section125 : 6/23/2020 7:01 am : link
In comment 14923680 Gary from The East End said:
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They get a sixty game season either way. Why give up their right to file a grievance? For goodwill? That's just nonsense.


Whoopee they get to file a grievance. Just what does that do for them? How can they hope for any positive decision when the season is so abnormal and the world is shut down?
Just how the hell were they going to get 70 games in, play until Late October. Start playoffs in the cold and then get players hurt in weather that is not viable for baseball.

If you ask me, Tony Clark is just starting negotiations for 2022...of course by then just who will care about baseball?

Both side equally have a stain on them.
I guess the players "win" -  
ZogZerg : 6/23/2020 7:13 am : link
They get 100% prorated pay. Why would they have ever agreed to a deal that was less than 100%?

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2020 season quick facts:

Number of games: 60 games

Opening Day: Around July 24

Spring Training: July 1 -- MLB asked the MLBPA on Monday whether players will be able to report to training in their respective cities within seven days, by July 1

Number of teams in playoffs: 10

Salary structure: Full pro rata, which for 60 games means that players will earn around 37% of their full-season salary as long as the truncated schedule is completed
idiots  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6/23/2020 8:16 am : link
all - the long range damage they will do to the game is going to hurt them all
RE: I guess the players  
MetsAreBack : 6/23/2020 8:26 am : link
In comment 14923698 ZogZerg said:
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They get 100% prorated pay. Why would they have ever agreed to a deal that was less than 100%?



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2020 season quick facts:

Number of games: 60 games

Opening Day: Around July 24

Spring Training: July 1 -- MLB asked the MLBPA on Monday whether players will be able to report to training in their respective cities within seven days, by July 1

Number of teams in playoffs: 10

Salary structure: Full pro rata, which for 60 games means that players will earn around 37% of their full-season salary as long as the truncated schedule is completed




The last owners offer also included some guaranteed playoff money (and expanded playoffs) so i think they're settling for marginally less now? Also, why would the players not want the universal DH? I thought it made a lot of sense for this year anyway, one less thing the pitchers need to train on short schedule for.

I would assume the schedule will be 12 games against everyone in division plus 4 series against intraleague opponents?
both sides are to blame...  
Italianju : 6/23/2020 9:25 am : link
and ill blame them equally. Neither side wanted to budge, both were unreasonable. Im not going to place the blame at the owners feet because the system was screwed up before. But i do blame them for not being willing to open the books to show exactly how much they will lose. Would be pretty easy to figure this out if they didnt screw around with their "revenue streams".

So we will get a 60 game BS season this year and then a lockout/strike in a year or so? I love baseball but i hope this screws all of them.

Also with the way things are going id be shocked if they even get in 60 games.
RE: RE: I guess the players  
Mike in NY : 6/23/2020 10:22 am : link
In comment 14923717 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 14923698 ZogZerg said:


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They get 100% prorated pay. Why would they have ever agreed to a deal that was less than 100%?



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2020 season quick facts:

Number of games: 60 games

Opening Day: Around July 24

Spring Training: July 1 -- MLB asked the MLBPA on Monday whether players will be able to report to training in their respective cities within seven days, by July 1

Number of teams in playoffs: 10

Salary structure: Full pro rata, which for 60 games means that players will earn around 37% of their full-season salary as long as the truncated schedule is completed






The last owners offer also included some guaranteed playoff money (and expanded playoffs) so i think they're settling for marginally less now? Also, why would the players not want the universal DH? I thought it made a lot of sense for this year anyway, one less thing the pitchers need to train on short schedule for.

I would assume the schedule will be 12 games against everyone in division plus 4 series against intraleague opponents?


That doesn't work unless you have 1 game "series" a la Spring Training and each day 1 team from each League is off. 15 teams per league requires interleague games otherwise. I think they are against universal DH because it makes pitcher stats look worse which does not help in contract negotiations in an abbreviated year.
i dont think thats right  
MetsAreBack : 6/23/2020 11:14 am : link
if you have 12 games against each division opponent or 48 games divided by 3 game sets = 16 series

and 12 total games intra-league, or 4 series...

that's 4 of every 5 series played in division, with each team taking a turn every 5th series to play an AL/NL counterpart. To minimize travel they may just have the Mets play the Yankees 2 series, with one series each against TOR and BOS or whatever... while ATL and FLA focus on "south" AL East teams like TB and Baltimore. Far from perfect, but a 60 game schedule isnt remotely perfect anyway. Will the border make an exception for Toronto and its opponents to keep crossing or does Toronto play in a foreign city this season?
RE: i dont think thats right  
MetsAreBack : 6/23/2020 11:20 am : link
In comment 14923817 MetsAreBack said:
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if you have 12 games against each division opponent or 48 games divided by 3 game sets = 16 series

and 12 total games intra-league, or 4 series...

that's 4 of every 5 series played in division, with each team taking a turn every 5th series to play an AL/NL counterpart. To minimize travel they may just have the Mets play the Yankees 2 series, with one series each against TOR and BOS or whatever... while ATL and FLA focus on "south" AL East teams like TB and Baltimore. Far from perfect, but a 60 game schedule isnt remotely perfect anyway. Will the border make an exception for Toronto and its opponents to keep crossing or does Toronto play in a foreign city this season?


Anyway, it'll be an interesting season. You can bet as teams are eliminated with 10-15 games to go, higher priced vets and maybe some young guys having good years are going to make "health" and "business" decisions and leave their teams early.
RE: Why can’t we blame the players?  
Eman11 : 6/23/2020 11:39 am : link
In comment 14923578 UConn4523 said:
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aren’t their fully guaranteed contracts awesome? How many guys get shut down for multiple years while still being fully paid?

Plenty of blame to go around but those billionaires are the ones taking all the risk, something that shouldnt be glossed over when assessing who to blame.


Those guaranteed contracts were collectively bargained. They weren't forced on the billionaire owners.

The owners know even with these contracts the values of their investments/teams has skyrocketed and they're certainly not hurting like they'd like us to believe.

The proof to me is how little we see of teams being put up for sale. It like a great stock that keeps going up in value, why sell if it keeps making you money?

I'm with Paul on my this one and place most if not all of the blame on owners. Until they show the books showing them actually losing money, I'm not believing any of what they're trying to get us to believe.
Why should value  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2020 11:45 am : link
of the team have anything to do with this?

Unless you sell or take out a loan with the team as collateral how does the value of the team help you pay your workers? How does the value of the team help you recover lost revenue from no fans/ticket sales, concessions, parking lost ad dollars.

Also, as an example, The Mets lost half a billion (estimated) in value since this pandemic started

Please explain to me why the value of the franchise is relevant to the current year salary and revenue stream. It's not liquid and not relevant IMO until and unless they sell the team.

If the economy tanks and we cycle into a long recession or depression those guaranteed contracts are still guaranteed. Is the value of a team? Owners have all the risk.

it's a red herring.
Trying..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/23/2020 11:50 am : link
to assign blame to one group is an exercise in futility. The owners are not going to get gate revenue and they will get a portion of the TV revenue. They will still be way under water for the season.

The players will get paid for the games they play and still earn an income.

It is really difficult for me to pin this all on ownership when both sides lose if there isn't a season.
Absolutely  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2020 11:54 am : link
both sides share in this. I don't know why it's important for some to pick who is to blame or more to blame.
RE: Why should value  
Eman11 : 6/23/2020 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14923834 pjcas18 said:
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of the team have anything to do with this?

Unless you sell or take out a loan with the team as collateral how does the value of the team help you pay your workers? How does the value of the team help you recover lost revenue from no fans/ticket sales, concessions, parking lost ad dollars.

Also, as an example, The Mets lost half a billion (estimated) in value since this pandemic started

Please explain to me why the value of the franchise is relevant to the current year salary and revenue stream. It's not liquid and not relevant IMO until and unless they sell the team.

If the economy tanks and we cycle into a long recession or depression those guaranteed contracts are still guaranteed. Is the value of a team? Owners have all the risk.

it's a red herring.


I think the value of a team is relevant because pretty much every teams value has gone up from the price it was purchased for and the owners as a result can afford to absorb a loss.

Until they open up their books and show they can't, I'm not buying what they're saying. Where does it say a sports owner or any owner of a business for that matter isn't at risk of losing money or has to make it hand over fist every year?

If the owners didn't think the risk was worth it to them they'd sell.
It seems like you're combining a couple of different factors  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2020 12:19 pm : link
one is revenue, that is a year to year measure and it fluctuates. I do not trust MLB on this either to fairly report their annual revenue.

Value of a franchise and annual revenue are not one in the same. IOW you cannot pay players with franchise value, you can pay them with revenue.

If I were a player the revenue number is a lot more relevant to me than the value of a franchise going up.

The players will not be playing the amount of games their contract was based on, and the owners will not be getting anywhere close to their typical annual revenue.

It shouldn't have to go much further than that. They both share in the loss IMO.
RE: Absolutely  
Saquads26 : 6/23/2020 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14923843 pjcas18 said:
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both sides share in this. I don't know why it's important for some to pick who is to blame or more to blame.


Seriously
Eman  
UConn4523 : 6/23/2020 12:23 pm : link
can't you do that for any business then? Different products have different profit margins - should we cap what profits can be?

The players getting fully (and above) prorated salaries seems incredibly fair considering the circumstances. The rest of their grievances (i agree with many of them) seem like they should be reserved for a new CBA, not for a shortened season due to a pandemic.

Both sides are to blame but I'm not going pile it on the owners just because they make a lot of money.
RE: It seems like you're combining a couple of different factors  
MetsAreBack : 6/23/2020 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14923858 pjcas18 said:
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Value of a franchise and annual revenue are not one in the same. IOW you cannot pay players with franchise value, you can pay them with revenue.



Sure you can - every public company in the world does it with their most important employees. Its called stock options and it aligns incentives between owners and employees.

Current sports systems ask players to absorb losses, but not share in the upside. Its not right.

But as FMiC says ... this debate is an exercise in futility, and both sides suck. Lets just get the season started.
players dont share in the upside?  
Italianju : 6/23/2020 12:44 pm : link
that must be why the average salaries keep going down in pretty much every sport.

And not every company offers stock options.
RE: players dont share in the upside?  
MetsAreBack : 6/23/2020 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14923870 Italianju said:
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that must be why the average salaries keep going down in pretty much every sport.

And not every company offers stock options.


Baseball salaries are up 40% on average over the past decade compared to 300% rise in team valuations.

As revenues rise, owners had been getting increased annual revenues as well as a terminal multiple on those higher revenues.
Both sides are to blame  
Bleedin Blue : 6/23/2020 12:46 pm : link
But I’ve seen this, and can understand why the players would reject the offer. If salaries were prorated it’s one thing , but what the owners are proposing might be considered preposterous.

https://empirewritesback.com/2020/05/27/new-york-yankees-players-salaries-proposed-cut/
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Both sides are to blame  
UConn4523 : 6/23/2020 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14923872 Bleedin Blue said:
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But I’ve seen this, and can understand why the players would reject the offer. If salaries were prorated it’s one thing , but what the owners are proposing might be considered preposterous.

https://empirewritesback.com/2020/05/27/new-york-yankees-players-salaries-proposed-cut/ Link - ( New Window )


This is 3 weeks old. The latest offer is 104% of prorated salaries based on games played.
the owners  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/23/2020 12:51 pm : link
could easily take out loans using the franchises as collateral to weather the storm of lower revenues. As MAB stated, they could also give players ownership options.

The values of the franchises matter because they are realized at the time of sale and thereby undercuts the notion that the owners are facing such risk. What risk? A short-term, one-season hit of revenues due to a pandemic won't materially affect the valuation of the franchises if they were to sell going forward, whereas the players foregoing salary is an absolute loss (since their baseball earnings are entirely in the form of compensation).

But the owners aren't concerned about the risk of a collapse of the value of their franchises because they are protected.

Unlike other companies/businesses, MLB enjoys federal antitrust exemptions. These unique protections keep out competition, allow baseball to maintain a scarcity of franchises to maintain inflated franchise value; they can also determine where franchises can operate to fully protect each franchise.

Unlike other companies/businesses, they own the rights to their employees before they even enter the workforce and they own your rights for 7 years (teams have to do certain things within that time to maintain control, like calling up to the majors after 4 or 5 years).

The players can't just say "MLB inc isn't treating me well so I'm going to work for another baseball company." The only protection they have is that their contracts are guaranteed and the only agency they have of who to work for is when they finally hit free agency.

I side with the players here.
franchise value definitely factors in - like any investment  
Eric on Li : 6/23/2020 12:56 pm : link
there is a cost and when you are the one investing in any asset, whether it's 1 share of stock, building a house, or majority share of a baseball team, there are potential unexpected costs the same way there are potential gains. That's why investors usually need to prove they are viable. The ultimate determining factor of most decisions is the overall return and if it's increasing in value (like say 400%) you are likely to accept some short term cost increases. That is the entire speculation.

That's not to say there aren't scenarios where it's inappropriate to try to adjust terms, the owners were within their rights to ask the players to accomodate things for the good of the game in this situation (like prorating their salaries, and possible even deferring cash into the future, etc). Just that in this scenario where the owners investments are way up, this was the equivalent of building a house that has quadrupled in value but then also asking the builders to take less money for their work building it. Their asks were fundamentally unfair and against the spirit of the investment ("we'd lose less by not playing").
RE: players dont share in the upside?  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/23/2020 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14923870 Italianju said:
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that must be why the average salaries keep going down in pretty much every sport.

And not every company offers stock options.


Are salaries going down in ANY sport??
RE: RE: players dont share in the upside?  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2020 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14923871 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 14923870 Italianju said:


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that must be why the average salaries keep going down in pretty much every sport.

And not every company offers stock options.



Baseball salaries are up 40% on average over the past decade compared to 300% rise in team valuations.

As revenues rise, owners had been getting increased annual revenues as well as a terminal multiple on those higher revenues.


But don't you think the paper increase (300%) is different from a hard $$$ increase (the 40%).

What I mean is the players actually got 40% more in salary over that decade.

Shouldn't the 40% be compared with revenues not franchise value?

it seems many are looking at this...  
Italianju : 6/23/2020 1:13 pm : link
as a larger discussion about how baseball operates. But that isnt the situation here, this isnt a new collective bargaining session. This is a specific situation due to a pandemic. Just cause you dont think the way baseball is setup is fair to the players doesnt mean that in any situation the owners should just take the loss cause they can afford it. I mean sure in a perfect world that would be great, it would be great if Jeff Bezos paid all the people who are unemployed just because he can afford to. I get its easy to blame the billionaires over the millionaires but this shouldnt be about the person with more money just taking care of it, both sides should have come to an agreement that worked for them and neither had any interest in doing that so F them both. I said all along the owners should have taken the loss here because its the payment for not being open with the books. The 70 games is where they should have said "fine", but i still dont put the blame all (or even mostly) on them.
salaries arent going down..  
Italianju : 6/23/2020 1:14 pm : link
in any sports. Sorry I was being sarcastic.
RE: RE: Both sides are to blame  
Bleedin Blue : 6/23/2020 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14923874 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14923872 Bleedin Blue said:


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But I’ve seen this, and can understand why the players would reject the offer. If salaries were prorated it’s one thing , but what the owners are proposing might be considered preposterous.

https://empirewritesback.com/2020/05/27/new-york-yankees-players-salaries-proposed-cut/ Link - ( New Window )



This is 3 weeks old. The latest offer is 104% of prorated salaries based on games played.



Thanks, I knower it’s was old, but I haven’t seen an update to the owners’ offer. I stand corrected
RE: RE: RE: players dont share in the upside?  
MetsAreBack : 6/23/2020 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14923895 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14923871 MetsAreBack said:


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In comment 14923870 Italianju said:


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that must be why the average salaries keep going down in pretty much every sport.

And not every company offers stock options.



Baseball salaries are up 40% on average over the past decade compared to 300% rise in team valuations.

As revenues rise, owners had been getting increased annual revenues as well as a terminal multiple on those higher revenues.



But don't you think the paper increase (300%) is different from a hard $$$ increase (the 40%).

What I mean is the players actually got 40% more in salary over that decade.

Shouldn't the 40% be compared with revenues not franchise value?


No because there have been enough trades done in recent years across MLB, NFL and NBA (dont follow NHL sales closely) to trust the "paper" valuations to an extent. You can apply a haircut to them if you like, even if its 10%... you're talking about owners a) seeing those cash flows increase the same as players have (assuming player salaries and revenues have grown by 40%... not sure if revenues are more or less, i do know the TV deals and networks lots of teams established have been huge $$$), plus b) their valuations have increased 6-7X player salaries.

Anyway, i take italianju's and FMiCs points that this debate isnt really worth arguing - the owners have an inherent advantage on the labor because the labor can only play at a professional level for 10-15 years, and they sign away their rights for the first ~7 of those. Especially when the players are faced with losing ~10% of their career income this year while the owners really suffer very little downside... the owners hold just about all the leverage and they know it.
RE: salaries arent going down..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/23/2020 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14923903 Italianju said:
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in any sports. Sorry I was being sarcastic.


Ground rule double went screaming right over my head!!

My bad
i think some are losing sight of the position the owners tried to take  
Eric on Li : 6/23/2020 1:50 pm : link
that they wanted to play an even more bastardized season despite their agreement to negotiate in good faith for as long of a season as possible and some wanted to outright cancel the season.

What other business can operate that way and expect their customers (fans) to come back? Even with an anti-trust exception.
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pjcas18 : 6/23/2020 8:35 pm : link
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