those greedy bastard (players & owners) can all go "F" themselves. A lot of good people who struggle to make the ends meet have lost their livelihood and are in dire straights because of COVID-19, and these greedy millionaires are pulling this crap.
The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
Just waiting for CFB to cancel their season...watching the NHL play in August with rinks that wont be able to stay frozen.....no fans for all these phony events
There is no diversion, increased cases, players contracting the virus, labor strife....sorry for the rant but everyone could use some good news about now.
aren’t their fully guaranteed contracts awesome? How many guys get shut down for multiple years while still being fully paid?
Plenty of blame to go around but those billionaires are the ones taking all the risk, something that shouldnt be glossed over when assessing who to blame.
I think some of these owners think it's their God given right
The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
Nah, I'm perfectly able to blame the owners more but also still blame the players somewhat.
supposedly so really the only question was would they present a unified front or not with both sides giving each other some minor tweaks or not. It's disappointing but not completely unexpected there won't be much goodwill on either side until the new CBA gets done - whenever that is. And there probably won't be any goodwill then either, just spin.
Just waiting for CFB to cancel their season...watching the NHL play in August with rinks that wont be able to stay frozen.....no fans for all these phony events
There is no diversion, increased cases, players contracting the virus, labor strife....sorry for the rant but everyone could use some good news about now.
Maybe with no fans, the NHL rinks will be able to keep the rinks frozen.
What’s going on in the world means nothing. It’s a labor dispute. The revenue streams and financials in mlb differ so much from other sports. What can you do... this was and is a very unique situation.
RE: I think some of these owners think it's their God given right
The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
And the players get paid a shit load of money to play a game. How many active ball players could make the same or more money not playing baseball. You th8nk glycerin Torres can make 550 thousand dollars a year not playing baseball.
no universal DH? The one thing the Mets could have really used out of this.
Or does it mean it's just for 2020?
The March agreement didn't address that, so as of now there's no change. No geographic realignment, no universal DH. Until the season starts I guess there's always room for negotiation, but obviously the sides haven't done a very good of compromising thus far.
I would almost prefer they just come back next year at this point
Is that if they don’t play this year, they likely won’t play next year due to work stoppage. And, then there’s a good chance that nobody (fans) will care anymore and the sport will be dead.,
And the players get paid a shit load of money to play a game. How many active ball players could make the same or more money not playing baseball. You th8nk glycerin Torres can make 550 thousand dollars a year not playing baseball.
So what if its a game? I never understood this argument. If it was so easy or fun, why dont you or I just do it? Oh right... because they worked their asses off for 20 years, including offseasons, to get there... just like any other career.
Anyway, this sucks - they couldnt just land at 64-66 games? Both sides are selfish fucks... i blame the owners more, I think its ridiculous players share in the downside but not the upside... but its a relative thing, i hate them all.
I have been anti player in this since jump so have a bias
But this last proposal gave players everything they wanted sans 70 games which at this point is impossible. I am not really sure how anyone can blame owners at this specific time. Frankly am kind of shocked players rejected not sure what else they really want.
aren’t their fully guaranteed contracts awesome? How many guys get shut down for multiple years while still being fully paid?
Plenty of blame to go around but those billionaires are the ones taking all the risk, something that shouldnt be glossed over when assessing who to blame.
If you look at it in a vacuum, yes. But for years franchise revenue increases have outpaced the increase of player salaries. I don't think there is any risk for any owners; any losses this year are easily offset by the growth in TV deals, franchise value, etc over the past few years.
The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
+1 on this one. That doesn't mean players don't need to make some concessions, but I'm with you here.
And the players get paid a shit load of money to play a game. How many active ball players could make the same or more money not playing baseball. You th8nk glycerin Torres can make 550 thousand dollars a year not playing baseball.
So what if its a game? I never understood this argument. If it was so easy or fun, why dont you or I just do it? Oh right... because they worked their asses off for 20 years, including offseasons, to get there... just like any other career.
Anyway, this sucks - they couldnt just land at 64-66 games? Both sides are selfish fucks... i blame the owners more, I think its ridiculous players share in the downside but not the upside... but its a relative thing, i hate them all.
I understand what your saying. My point is that the reality is that the owners have the upper hand if push comes to shove. If the league wouldn’t excise anymore( owners say screw it) I know it will never happen. But, for arguments sake let’s say it does. No owners life style would change. No player is going to make the same money doing something else. Majority of the players are Latin and come from poverty stricken areas. Mariano Rivera had to use a milk carton fora mitt. Your telling me some of these players wouldn’t play for even 200 thousand a year.yes the owners are making a shit load of money. However, they own the team. Like I said if the players are that unhappy,let them go out and get a real job. I understand they work hard to be the best in the world. All I’m saying is they already are makin* more than 5hey would not playing baseball.
Just waiting for CFB to cancel their season...watching the NHL play in August with rinks that wont be able to stay frozen.....no fans for all these phony events
There is no diversion, increased cases, players contracting the virus, labor strife....sorry for the rant but everyone could use some good news about now.
Maybe with no fans, the NHL rinks will be able to keep the rinks frozen.
Is it really impossible to keep the rinks frozenin the summer? How do places like Arizona , San Jose, Tampa, Miami, Atlanta, etc. keep rinks frozen?
so this decision wasn't really a money thing, it was the same either way. It's pretty close to impossible for any of us to judge who is more right or wrong on 99% of the minutia they are negotiating. My guess is since the money was the same they preferred to have the right to file (or threaten) grievances if nec over whatever else they could have gained with a deal.
The reason there won't be more games this year is 100% on the owners and their wasting 2 months making the same offer over and over again until it was basically too late. On the positive side however had they not been delayed this long spring training in AZ and FL probably would have been shut down at some point in the last week as a bunch more players tested positive than already have. So perhaps bullet dodged. Hopefully they finalize things and we get a fun 66 days / 60 games.
They get a sixty game season either way. Why give up their right to file a grievance? For goodwill? That's just nonsense.
Whoopee they get to file a grievance. Just what does that do for them? How can they hope for any positive decision when the season is so abnormal and the world is shut down?
Just how the hell were they going to get 70 games in, play until Late October. Start playoffs in the cold and then get players hurt in weather that is not viable for baseball.
If you ask me, Tony Clark is just starting negotiations for 2022...of course by then just who will care about baseball?
They get 100% prorated pay. Why would they have ever agreed to a deal that was less than 100%?
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2020 season quick facts:
Number of games: 60 games
Opening Day: Around July 24
Spring Training: July 1 -- MLB asked the MLBPA on Monday whether players will be able to report to training in their respective cities within seven days, by July 1
Number of teams in playoffs: 10
Salary structure: Full pro rata, which for 60 games means that players will earn around 37% of their full-season salary as long as the truncated schedule is completed
They get 100% prorated pay. Why would they have ever agreed to a deal that was less than 100%?
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2020 season quick facts:
Number of games: 60 games
Opening Day: Around July 24
Spring Training: July 1 -- MLB asked the MLBPA on Monday whether players will be able to report to training in their respective cities within seven days, by July 1
Number of teams in playoffs: 10
Salary structure: Full pro rata, which for 60 games means that players will earn around 37% of their full-season salary as long as the truncated schedule is completed
The last owners offer also included some guaranteed playoff money (and expanded playoffs) so i think they're settling for marginally less now? Also, why would the players not want the universal DH? I thought it made a lot of sense for this year anyway, one less thing the pitchers need to train on short schedule for.
I would assume the schedule will be 12 games against everyone in division plus 4 series against intraleague opponents?
and ill blame them equally. Neither side wanted to budge, both were unreasonable. Im not going to place the blame at the owners feet because the system was screwed up before. But i do blame them for not being willing to open the books to show exactly how much they will lose. Would be pretty easy to figure this out if they didnt screw around with their "revenue streams".
So we will get a 60 game BS season this year and then a lockout/strike in a year or so? I love baseball but i hope this screws all of them.
Also with the way things are going id be shocked if they even get in 60 games.
They get 100% prorated pay. Why would they have ever agreed to a deal that was less than 100%?
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2020 season quick facts:
Number of games: 60 games
Opening Day: Around July 24
Spring Training: July 1 -- MLB asked the MLBPA on Monday whether players will be able to report to training in their respective cities within seven days, by July 1
Number of teams in playoffs: 10
Salary structure: Full pro rata, which for 60 games means that players will earn around 37% of their full-season salary as long as the truncated schedule is completed
The last owners offer also included some guaranteed playoff money (and expanded playoffs) so i think they're settling for marginally less now? Also, why would the players not want the universal DH? I thought it made a lot of sense for this year anyway, one less thing the pitchers need to train on short schedule for.
I would assume the schedule will be 12 games against everyone in division plus 4 series against intraleague opponents?
That doesn't work unless you have 1 game "series" a la Spring Training and each day 1 team from each League is off. 15 teams per league requires interleague games otherwise. I think they are against universal DH because it makes pitcher stats look worse which does not help in contract negotiations in an abbreviated year.
if you have 12 games against each division opponent or 48 games divided by 3 game sets = 16 series
and 12 total games intra-league, or 4 series...
that's 4 of every 5 series played in division, with each team taking a turn every 5th series to play an AL/NL counterpart. To minimize travel they may just have the Mets play the Yankees 2 series, with one series each against TOR and BOS or whatever... while ATL and FLA focus on "south" AL East teams like TB and Baltimore. Far from perfect, but a 60 game schedule isnt remotely perfect anyway. Will the border make an exception for Toronto and its opponents to keep crossing or does Toronto play in a foreign city this season?
if you have 12 games against each division opponent or 48 games divided by 3 game sets = 16 series
and 12 total games intra-league, or 4 series...
that's 4 of every 5 series played in division, with each team taking a turn every 5th series to play an AL/NL counterpart. To minimize travel they may just have the Mets play the Yankees 2 series, with one series each against TOR and BOS or whatever... while ATL and FLA focus on "south" AL East teams like TB and Baltimore. Far from perfect, but a 60 game schedule isnt remotely perfect anyway. Will the border make an exception for Toronto and its opponents to keep crossing or does Toronto play in a foreign city this season?
Anyway, it'll be an interesting season. You can bet as teams are eliminated with 10-15 games to go, higher priced vets and maybe some young guys having good years are going to make "health" and "business" decisions and leave their teams early.
aren’t their fully guaranteed contracts awesome? How many guys get shut down for multiple years while still being fully paid?
Plenty of blame to go around but those billionaires are the ones taking all the risk, something that shouldnt be glossed over when assessing who to blame.
Those guaranteed contracts were collectively bargained. They weren't forced on the billionaire owners.
The owners know even with these contracts the values of their investments/teams has skyrocketed and they're certainly not hurting like they'd like us to believe.
The proof to me is how little we see of teams being put up for sale. It like a great stock that keeps going up in value, why sell if it keeps making you money?
I'm with Paul on my this one and place most if not all of the blame on owners. Until they show the books showing them actually losing money, I'm not believing any of what they're trying to get us to believe.
Unless you sell or take out a loan with the team as collateral how does the value of the team help you pay your workers? How does the value of the team help you recover lost revenue from no fans/ticket sales, concessions, parking lost ad dollars.
Also, as an example, The Mets lost half a billion (estimated) in value since this pandemic started
Please explain to me why the value of the franchise is relevant to the current year salary and revenue stream. It's not liquid and not relevant IMO until and unless they sell the team.
If the economy tanks and we cycle into a long recession or depression those guaranteed contracts are still guaranteed. Is the value of a team? Owners have all the risk.
to assign blame to one group is an exercise in futility. The owners are not going to get gate revenue and they will get a portion of the TV revenue. They will still be way under water for the season.
The players will get paid for the games they play and still earn an income.
It is really difficult for me to pin this all on ownership when both sides lose if there isn't a season.
Unless you sell or take out a loan with the team as collateral how does the value of the team help you pay your workers? How does the value of the team help you recover lost revenue from no fans/ticket sales, concessions, parking lost ad dollars.
Also, as an example, The Mets lost half a billion (estimated) in value since this pandemic started
Please explain to me why the value of the franchise is relevant to the current year salary and revenue stream. It's not liquid and not relevant IMO until and unless they sell the team.
If the economy tanks and we cycle into a long recession or depression those guaranteed contracts are still guaranteed. Is the value of a team? Owners have all the risk.
it's a red herring.
I think the value of a team is relevant because pretty much every teams value has gone up from the price it was purchased for and the owners as a result can afford to absorb a loss.
Until they open up their books and show they can't, I'm not buying what they're saying. Where does it say a sports owner or any owner of a business for that matter isn't at risk of losing money or has to make it hand over fist every year?
If the owners didn't think the risk was worth it to them they'd sell.
The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
Good post!
There is no diversion, increased cases, players contracting the virus, labor strife....sorry for the rant but everyone could use some good news about now.
Plenty of blame to go around but those billionaires are the ones taking all the risk, something that shouldnt be glossed over when assessing who to blame.
This is a horrible look for baseball, especially now.
The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
Nah, I'm perfectly able to blame the owners more but also still blame the players somewhat.
There is no diversion, increased cases, players contracting the virus, labor strife....sorry for the rant but everyone could use some good news about now.
Maybe with no fans, the NHL rinks will be able to keep the rinks frozen.
This is a horrible look for baseball, especially now.
Wouldn’t that apply to everyone? Aren’t we all entitled to not make money in any given year?
Seems like they got their salary wish
The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
And the players get paid a shit load of money to play a game. How many active ball players could make the same or more money not playing baseball. You th8nk glycerin Torres can make 550 thousand dollars a year not playing baseball.
You can very well blame the players here
Or does it mean it's just for 2020?
Or does it mean it's just for 2020?
The March agreement didn't address that, so as of now there's no change. No geographic realignment, no universal DH. Until the season starts I guess there's always room for negotiation, but obviously the sides haven't done a very good of compromising thus far.
I’d rather they put all their resources into as regular and on schedule an opening day 2021as possible.
I’d rather they put all their resources into as regular and on schedule an opening day 2021as possible.
And the players get paid a shit load of money to play a game. How many active ball players could make the same or more money not playing baseball. You th8nk glycerin Torres can make 550 thousand dollars a year not playing baseball.
So what if its a game? I never understood this argument. If it was so easy or fun, why dont you or I just do it? Oh right... because they worked their asses off for 20 years, including offseasons, to get there... just like any other career.
Anyway, this sucks - they couldnt just land at 64-66 games? Both sides are selfish fucks... i blame the owners more, I think its ridiculous players share in the downside but not the upside... but its a relative thing, i hate them all.
Plenty of blame to go around but those billionaires are the ones taking all the risk, something that shouldnt be glossed over when assessing who to blame.
If you look at it in a vacuum, yes. But for years franchise revenue increases have outpaced the increase of player salaries. I don't think there is any risk for any owners; any losses this year are easily offset by the growth in TV deals, franchise value, etc over the past few years.
The owners have seen their franchise explode in value over the last few years. They hold cities hostage for tax breaks and subsidies, threaten to move, prey on emotional ties to sports and to their teams to charge exorbitant prices for tickets and concessions, refuse to pay minor league players minimum wage, have antitrust exemptions, stopped paying their minor league players, and will maintain astronomical valuations for their franchises when Covid passes.
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And the players get paid a shit load of money to play a game. How many active ball players could make the same or more money not playing baseball. You th8nk glycerin Torres can make 550 thousand dollars a year not playing baseball.
So what if its a game? I never understood this argument. If it was so easy or fun, why dont you or I just do it? Oh right... because they worked their asses off for 20 years, including offseasons, to get there... just like any other career.
Anyway, this sucks - they couldnt just land at 64-66 games? Both sides are selfish fucks... i blame the owners more, I think its ridiculous players share in the downside but not the upside... but its a relative thing, i hate them all.
I understand what your saying. My point is that the reality is that the owners have the upper hand if push comes to shove. If the league wouldn’t excise anymore( owners say screw it) I know it will never happen. But, for arguments sake let’s say it does. No owners life style would change. No player is going to make the same money doing something else. Majority of the players are Latin and come from poverty stricken areas. Mariano Rivera had to use a milk carton fora mitt. Your telling me some of these players wouldn’t play for even 200 thousand a year.yes the owners are making a shit load of money. However, they own the team. Like I said if the players are that unhappy,let them go out and get a real job. I understand they work hard to be the best in the world. All I’m saying is they already are makin* more than 5hey would not playing baseball.
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Just waiting for CFB to cancel their season...watching the NHL play in August with rinks that wont be able to stay frozen.....no fans for all these phony events
There is no diversion, increased cases, players contracting the virus, labor strife....sorry for the rant but everyone could use some good news about now.
Maybe with no fans, the NHL rinks will be able to keep the rinks frozen.
The reason there won't be more games this year is 100% on the owners and their wasting 2 months making the same offer over and over again until it was basically too late. On the positive side however had they not been delayed this long spring training in AZ and FL probably would have been shut down at some point in the last week as a bunch more players tested positive than already have. So perhaps bullet dodged. Hopefully they finalize things and we get a fun 66 days / 60 games.
Whoopee they get to file a grievance. Just what does that do for them? How can they hope for any positive decision when the season is so abnormal and the world is shut down?
Just how the hell were they going to get 70 games in, play until Late October. Start playoffs in the cold and then get players hurt in weather that is not viable for baseball.
If you ask me, Tony Clark is just starting negotiations for 2022...of course by then just who will care about baseball?
Both side equally have a stain on them.
2020 season quick facts:
Number of games: 60 games
Opening Day: Around July 24
Spring Training: July 1 -- MLB asked the MLBPA on Monday whether players will be able to report to training in their respective cities within seven days, by July 1
Number of teams in playoffs: 10
Salary structure: Full pro rata, which for 60 games means that players will earn around 37% of their full-season salary as long as the truncated schedule is completed
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2020 season quick facts:
Number of games: 60 games
Opening Day: Around July 24
Spring Training: July 1 -- MLB asked the MLBPA on Monday whether players will be able to report to training in their respective cities within seven days, by July 1
Number of teams in playoffs: 10
Salary structure: Full pro rata, which for 60 games means that players will earn around 37% of their full-season salary as long as the truncated schedule is completed
The last owners offer also included some guaranteed playoff money (and expanded playoffs) so i think they're settling for marginally less now? Also, why would the players not want the universal DH? I thought it made a lot of sense for this year anyway, one less thing the pitchers need to train on short schedule for.
I would assume the schedule will be 12 games against everyone in division plus 4 series against intraleague opponents?
So we will get a 60 game BS season this year and then a lockout/strike in a year or so? I love baseball but i hope this screws all of them.
Also with the way things are going id be shocked if they even get in 60 games.
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They get 100% prorated pay. Why would they have ever agreed to a deal that was less than 100%?
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2020 season quick facts:
Number of games: 60 games
Opening Day: Around July 24
Spring Training: July 1 -- MLB asked the MLBPA on Monday whether players will be able to report to training in their respective cities within seven days, by July 1
Number of teams in playoffs: 10
Salary structure: Full pro rata, which for 60 games means that players will earn around 37% of their full-season salary as long as the truncated schedule is completed
The last owners offer also included some guaranteed playoff money (and expanded playoffs) so i think they're settling for marginally less now? Also, why would the players not want the universal DH? I thought it made a lot of sense for this year anyway, one less thing the pitchers need to train on short schedule for.
I would assume the schedule will be 12 games against everyone in division plus 4 series against intraleague opponents?
That doesn't work unless you have 1 game "series" a la Spring Training and each day 1 team from each League is off. 15 teams per league requires interleague games otherwise. I think they are against universal DH because it makes pitcher stats look worse which does not help in contract negotiations in an abbreviated year.
and 12 total games intra-league, or 4 series...
that's 4 of every 5 series played in division, with each team taking a turn every 5th series to play an AL/NL counterpart. To minimize travel they may just have the Mets play the Yankees 2 series, with one series each against TOR and BOS or whatever... while ATL and FLA focus on "south" AL East teams like TB and Baltimore. Far from perfect, but a 60 game schedule isnt remotely perfect anyway. Will the border make an exception for Toronto and its opponents to keep crossing or does Toronto play in a foreign city this season?
and 12 total games intra-league, or 4 series...
that's 4 of every 5 series played in division, with each team taking a turn every 5th series to play an AL/NL counterpart. To minimize travel they may just have the Mets play the Yankees 2 series, with one series each against TOR and BOS or whatever... while ATL and FLA focus on "south" AL East teams like TB and Baltimore. Far from perfect, but a 60 game schedule isnt remotely perfect anyway. Will the border make an exception for Toronto and its opponents to keep crossing or does Toronto play in a foreign city this season?
Anyway, it'll be an interesting season. You can bet as teams are eliminated with 10-15 games to go, higher priced vets and maybe some young guys having good years are going to make "health" and "business" decisions and leave their teams early.
Plenty of blame to go around but those billionaires are the ones taking all the risk, something that shouldnt be glossed over when assessing who to blame.
Those guaranteed contracts were collectively bargained. They weren't forced on the billionaire owners.
The owners know even with these contracts the values of their investments/teams has skyrocketed and they're certainly not hurting like they'd like us to believe.
The proof to me is how little we see of teams being put up for sale. It like a great stock that keeps going up in value, why sell if it keeps making you money?
I'm with Paul on my this one and place most if not all of the blame on owners. Until they show the books showing them actually losing money, I'm not believing any of what they're trying to get us to believe.
Unless you sell or take out a loan with the team as collateral how does the value of the team help you pay your workers? How does the value of the team help you recover lost revenue from no fans/ticket sales, concessions, parking lost ad dollars.
Also, as an example, The Mets lost half a billion (estimated) in value since this pandemic started
Please explain to me why the value of the franchise is relevant to the current year salary and revenue stream. It's not liquid and not relevant IMO until and unless they sell the team.
If the economy tanks and we cycle into a long recession or depression those guaranteed contracts are still guaranteed. Is the value of a team? Owners have all the risk.
it's a red herring.
The players will get paid for the games they play and still earn an income.
It is really difficult for me to pin this all on ownership when both sides lose if there isn't a season.
Unless you sell or take out a loan with the team as collateral how does the value of the team help you pay your workers? How does the value of the team help you recover lost revenue from no fans/ticket sales, concessions, parking lost ad dollars.
Also, as an example, The Mets lost half a billion (estimated) in value since this pandemic started
Please explain to me why the value of the franchise is relevant to the current year salary and revenue stream. It's not liquid and not relevant IMO until and unless they sell the team.
If the economy tanks and we cycle into a long recession or depression those guaranteed contracts are still guaranteed. Is the value of a team? Owners have all the risk.
it's a red herring.
I think the value of a team is relevant because pretty much every teams value has gone up from the price it was purchased for and the owners as a result can afford to absorb a loss.
Until they open up their books and show they can't, I'm not buying what they're saying. Where does it say a sports owner or any owner of a business for that matter isn't at risk of losing money or has to make it hand over fist every year?
If the owners didn't think the risk was worth it to them they'd sell.