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Baker update: two witnesses say no gun, no robbery

Vin_Cuccs : 6/23/2020 11:40 pm
Link to SNY article from Danny Abriano below.
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haha these witnesses must be cashing it the fuck in  
Sonic Youth : 6/23/2020 11:42 pm : link
Seriously. Bad memory, eh?
God this story is so strange.  
BlackLight : 6/23/2020 11:42 pm : link
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We’re back baby!  
trueblueinpw : 6/24/2020 12:39 am : link
Playoff run begins now!
this happened in Florida, right?  
Del Shofner : 6/24/2020 12:41 am : link
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CardinalX : 6/24/2020 2:15 am : link
Check their bank accounts...
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mfsd : 6/24/2020 2:18 am : link
In comment 14924171 CardinalX said:
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Check their bank accounts...


Yup. In other words, 2 witnesses received envelopes with the appropriate sum enclosed
Question  
Dragon : 6/24/2020 2:46 am : link
Does it matter if they robbed two people or 20 some with bad memories? You got an outdoor party yet nobody had their phones on video mode in today’s world?
RE: this happened in Florida, right?  
section125 : 6/24/2020 5:59 am : link
In comment 14924163 Del Shofner said:
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and?
common sense  
Hilary : 6/24/2020 6:04 am : link
I can believe stories about wealthy people drinking, using drugs or losing their tempers and getting into fights or spousal abuse but robbery and stealing watches hard to believe.
The story about Baker really never made sense  
BillT : 6/24/2020 6:21 am : link
I don’t know what happened there but I’m more than a little skeptical it’s what we were originally told.
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Saquads26 : 6/24/2020 6:23 am : link
In comment 14924171 CardinalX said:
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Check their bank accounts...


Lied and got paid off or it happened and got paid off, which we may never know. Who cares, play ball!
RE: Question  
section125 : 6/24/2020 6:27 am : link
In comment 14924174 Dragon said:
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Does it matter if they robbed two people or 20 some with bad memories? You got an outdoor party yet nobody had their phones on video mode in today’s world?


This is probably the best response yet..no video? People video murders, so unless they are negotiating with TMZ, one would expect at least an image if not video...
None of this adds up  
Milton : 6/24/2020 6:39 am : link
Between those accusing him and those defending him, I get the feeling that not a single person is telling the truth. The NFL will conduct their own investigation regardless of whether or not the case is dropped. My guess is he won't avoid a suspension. And I assume any suspension, even if it's only two games, will void the remaining guarantees in his contract. Which will be good news for the Giants if it plays out that way.
RE: None of this adds up  
section125 : 6/24/2020 6:44 am : link
In comment 14924187 Milton said:
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Between those accusing him and those defending him, I get the feeling that not a single person is telling the truth. The NFL will conduct their own investigation regardless of whether or not the case is dropped. My guess is he won't avoid a suspension. And I assume any suspension, even if it's only two games, will void the remaining guarantees in his contract. Which will be good news for the Giants if it plays out that way.


Unless the NFL finds definitely something wrong, they cannot suspend him. On what grounds? That somebody was pissed and made up a story that was not true?
Tyreke Hill avoided suspension  
Saquads26 : 6/24/2020 6:46 am : link
Just saying
When is the next court date  
90.Cal : 6/24/2020 6:46 am : link
?
RE: RE: None of this adds up  
Victor in CT : 6/24/2020 7:21 am : link
In comment 14924190 section125 said:
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Between those accusing him and those defending him, I get the feeling that not a single person is telling the truth. The NFL will conduct their own investigation regardless of whether or not the case is dropped. My guess is he won't avoid a suspension. And I assume any suspension, even if it's only two games, will void the remaining guarantees in his contract. Which will be good news for the Giants if it plays out that way.



Unless the NFL finds definitely something wrong, they cannot suspend him. On what grounds? That somebody was pissed and made up a story that was not true?


Exactly right.
GETTLEMAN HID EVIDENCE! - Pat Leonard  
Victor in CT : 6/24/2020 7:22 am : link
:-)
the NFL can absolutely still suspend him  
Giantsfan79 : 6/24/2020 7:29 am : link
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t is a privilege to be part of the National Football League.Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from“conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in”the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network,or any other NFL business. Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL.


even if he's never brought to criminal trial, the NFL can argue he's damaged the reputation of the game and undercut public respect for the NFL. Given the reaction of most posters on the first thread on this topic, I'd say he undercut public respect.
RE: the NFL can absolutely still suspend him  
Victor in CT : 6/24/2020 8:28 am : link
In comment 14924204 Giantsfan79 said:
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t is a privilege to be part of the National Football League.Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from“conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in”the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network,or any other NFL business. Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL.



even if he's never brought to criminal trial, the NFL can argue he's damaged the reputation of the game and undercut public respect for the NFL. Given the reaction of most posters on the first thread on this topic, I'd say he undercut public respect.


What public respect? Every team has its share of thugs, Goodell is one of the biggest phonies who ever lived and the NFL does everything in its power to gouge the paying customerss
The NFL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/24/2020 8:31 am : link
would only suspend him if they are doing an investigation of their own and determine he was involved in wrongdoing.

And I don't even know if they are doing a separate investigation.

The only times they've really stepped in to issue suspensions when criminal charges aren't levied are for reports of domestic abuse.
Pat Traina Podcast  
Samiam : 6/24/2020 9:26 am : link
Heard one the other day with an attorney talking about Covid, Baker and Rosas. With Baker, he said something like 5 witnesses gave statements to the police right after whatever happened and then later gave completely opposite statements to the attorney. My take was that, at a minimum, Baker will be suspended by the league because they have a much lower bar for punishment than a court. But, it also seemed possible that the court might think this is all too suspicious and Baker might face legal problems even if no one testified against him.
RE: Pat Traina Podcast  
Giantsfan79 : 6/24/2020 10:13 am : link
In comment 14924265 Samiam said:
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But, it also seemed possible that the court might think this is all too suspicious and Baker might face legal problems even if no one testified against him.


perhaps, but you'd have to think the chances of acquittal are high if no live witness testifies against Baker. Plus they can't read witness statements against him in court because his attorneys must have the ability to cross examine the people behind the witness statements.
afaik  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2020 11:00 am : link
there has not been a single report that states, with specificity and credible backup, that any of the original witnesses recanted their testimony in detail, in whole or in part, or for that matter, whether any of the witnesses in this TMZ reporting (Vin's OP) is one and the same person who provided the original allegations. It remains as clear as mud.
Grammar Police From Linked Article  
Trainmaster : 6/24/2020 1:18 pm : link
“ ... two witnesses have went on the record ...”

Shouldn’t it be:

two witnesses have gone on record

Or

two witnesses have gone on the record

Or

two witnesses went on record


Get off my lawn!
My problem with the theory that witnesses were paid to change  
BlackLight : 6/24/2020 3:14 pm : link
their story, is if it were that simple, why doesn't it happen like literally all the time?

Like I'm sure it does happen, but if trench coat and hat-wearing characters handing people blank envelopes at 2 in the morning was the solution to one's legal problems, people would almost never get convicted of anything.
As a former prosecutor,  
BigBlueNH : 6/24/2020 3:34 pm : link
the fact that the charges remain is not a good sign for Baker. It would not take much time to have police or DA investigators re-interview any witnesses who have reportedly changed their stories. If the charges remain after the time the Giants report to camp, then I would assume the prosecutors feel they have enough evidence to pursue the case. If that happens, I would expect Bakers' attorneys to push for a fast trial. But if that happens, I would expect his year to be largely lost, even with an acquittal. I wouldn't expect any NFL punishment unless there is a conviction, or gambling-related issues: if the only "wrongful" conduct is what he is charged with, the NFL isn't going to overrule a jury verdict, or a decision to drop charges.
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81_Great_Dane : 6/24/2020 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14924185 section125 said:
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Does it matter if they robbed two people or 20 some with bad memories? You got an outdoor party yet nobody had their phones on video mode in today’s world?



This is probably the best response yet..no video? People video murders, so unless they are negotiating with TMZ, one would expect at least an image if not video...
Well, if there was no robbery, you'd just see party video. Which doesn't prove anything. If there's video of a robbery, that proves there was a robbery. If there's video of the party, that only clears Baker if there's video of the entire party, from beginning to end.

I guess if there's video of the confrontation over the game, and it shows no gun and nobody taking anybody's stuff, that would be helpful to Baker. But then an accuser could say "It happened later"...
RE: afaik  
BillT : 6/24/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14924331 ColHowPepper said:
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there has not been a single report that states, with specificity and credible backup, that any of the original witnesses recanted their testimony in detail, in whole or in part, or for that matter, whether any of the witnesses in this TMZ reporting (Vin's OP) is one and the same person who provided the original allegations. It remains as clear as mud.


This is the statement from the story;
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Initial statements from witnesses claimed that Baker held the party at gunpoint as he robbed individuals and took off with accomplices. The two witnesses that confirm these statements have since recanted their comments and have stated on the record that Baker did not pull a gun on anyone at the party. The incident also involves Quinton Dunbar of the Seattle Seahawks.

According to TMZ, the two witnesses have given sworn affidavits stating that Baker is essentially innocent.

Take it for what it’s worth.
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fwiw  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2020 4:18 pm : link
you're right, I skipped over that, my bad. But why does it say the two witnesses who confirmed those statements have now recanted? Will a recant be followed by an unrecant? I dunno. I also thought that the story when it originally broke recited charges by more than two witnesses, maybe four?
RE: fwiw  
BillT : 6/24/2020 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14924524 ColHowPepper said:
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you're right, I skipped over that, my bad. But why does it say the two witnesses who confirmed those statements have now recanted? Will a recant be followed by an unrecant? I dunno. I also thought that the story when it originally broke recited charges by more than two witnesses, maybe four?

The way I see it is that it’s either true or complete BS. There isn’t anything in between. It’s not like “I was only going 68 officer”. You can’t have an “sort of” armed robbery. And FWIW I never thought The original story made any sense.
RE: fwiw  
shyster : 6/24/2020 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14924524 ColHowPepper said:
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you're right, I skipped over that, my bad. But why does it say the two witnesses who confirmed those statements have now recanted? Will a recant be followed by an unrecant? I dunno. I also thought that the story when it originally broke recited charges by more than two witnesses, maybe four?


Actually, you were right the first time.

TMZ, which is the source, does not use the word "recanted". It does not say that witnesses have changed their testimony.

That is the gloss of the author of the Empire Sports Media article that BillT links. Call it invention/lack of comprehension/wishful thinking, but it's not what "the story" by TMZ says.

TMZ also does not say when the two affidavits in question were filed. It uses the word "now" but that does not tell us how long the prosecutors have had the information submitted, at some point, by Baker's defense.

TMZ story linked.


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RE: RE: None of this adds up  
Milton : 6/24/2020 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14924190 section125 said:
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Between those accusing him and those defending him, I get the feeling that not a single person is telling the truth. The NFL will conduct their own investigation regardless of whether or not the case is dropped. My guess is he won't avoid a suspension. And I assume any suspension, even if it's only two games, will void the remaining guarantees in his contract. Which will be good news for the Giants if it plays out that way.



Unless the NFL finds definitely something wrong, they cannot suspend him. On what grounds? That somebody was pissed and made up a story that was not true?
But the NFL can find something wrong and it doesn't even have to be "definitely" wrong (whatever that means). They will conduct their own investigation, they have that right according to the CBA. If they believe Baker is lying about anything, they can suspend him. It doesn't have to be something criminal necessarily. According to his lawyer, he was "scared straight" which begs the question: what exactly was he scared straight of?
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Saquads26 : 6/24/2020 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14924536 Milton said:
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Between those accusing him and those defending him, I get the feeling that not a single person is telling the truth. The NFL will conduct their own investigation regardless of whether or not the case is dropped. My guess is he won't avoid a suspension. And I assume any suspension, even if it's only two games, will void the remaining guarantees in his contract. Which will be good news for the Giants if it plays out that way.



Unless the NFL finds definitely something wrong, they cannot suspend him. On what grounds? That somebody was pissed and made up a story that was not true?

But the NFL can find something wrong and it doesn't even have to be "definitely" wrong (whatever that means). They will conduct their own investigation, they have that right according to the CBA. If they believe Baker is lying about anything, they can suspend him. It doesn't have to be something criminal necessarily. According to his lawyer, he was "scared straight" which begs the question: what exactly was he scared straight of?


Being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people? Being scared doesn't make you guilty of ANYTHING. Again, Tyreke Hill got off. Bakers case has more holes than swiss cheese. As of now...no suspension
Baker Update  
jmdvm : 6/24/2020 5:30 pm : link
Has the state of Florida finished counting the hanging chads?
RE: RE: RE: RE: None of this adds up  
Milton : 6/24/2020 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14924539 Saquads26 said:
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Being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people? Being scared doesn't make you guilty of ANYTHING. Again, Tyreke Hill got off. Bakers case has more holes than swiss cheese. As of now...no suspension
Yes, of course as of now, no suspension. But the NFL will investigate. It's crazy to think that Baker would pull out a gun and rob a party full of people. It's also crazy to think that people would call the police to a home and tell them that two NFL stars had pulled guns on them and robbed them if it was completely false. So we are dealing with two conflicting unbelievable accounts. They can't both be true, but they can't both be false as well. So it seems to me that both are partially true and partially false. In all likelihood, Baker's story is closer to the truth than that of his original accusers, but is it close enough to avoid suspension? If he's lying about anything, they can suspend him. If this was a "shakedown" as Baker's lawyer claims, what did they think they would accomplish by calling in the police and telling them that Baker and Dunbar had just robbed a party at gunpoint??? None of this adds up. For now.
The NFL is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/24/2020 7:03 pm : link
unlikely to get involved from a disciplinary standpoint if things stand as they do now.

Again - they have only taken actions in the past on domestic abuse or assaults.

They could suspend him, but they would have to do their own investigation and come to the conclusion he did something. Just being part of an oddd story isn't enough to pass the bar.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: None of this adds up  
section125 : 6/24/2020 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14924547 Milton said:
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Being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people? Being scared doesn't make you guilty of ANYTHING. Again, Tyreke Hill got off. Bakers case has more holes than swiss cheese. As of now...no suspension

Yes, of course as of now, no suspension. But the NFL will investigate. It's crazy to think that Baker would pull out a gun and rob a party full of people. It's also crazy to think that people would call the police to a home and tell them that two NFL stars had pulled guns on them and robbed them if it was completely false. So we are dealing with two conflicting unbelievable accounts. They can't both be true, but they can't both be false as well. So it seems to me that both are partially true and partially false. In all likelihood, Baker's story is closer to the truth than that of his original accusers, but is it close enough to avoid suspension? If he's lying about anything, they can suspend him. If this was a "shakedown" as Baker's lawyer claims, what did they think they would accomplish by calling in the police and telling them that Baker and Dunbar had just robbed a party at gunpoint??? None of this adds up. For now.


Correct it does not add up. But As I originally said, unless he pulled the gun and robbed the people who started this whole thing, the NFL cannot do anything if nothing occurred. Are they going to suspend him for being wrongly accused? How fast you think his attorney sues the NFL.

IDK what happened. IDK if he paid people off(tampering with witnesses is a felony, I think.) IDK if people didn't like the dice game or whatever it was(and IIRC that did not take place at this party but two or three days before). Could be that the original accusers got people to say that Baker and Dunbar did something(friends of friends).

But this is not Zeke Elliott where the GF refused to testify ($$$) despite bruises so obviously there was domestic abuse. You are right that they need to find something but it had better be pretty bad to suspend him.
Everyone is lying  
DavidinBMNY : 6/24/2020 7:16 pm : link
Come on. This is just crazy. Everyone is lying. They should suspend 4 games and move on. He gets a pass, gets a significant dent in his pay, which should be motivating, and, we move past this.
RE: Grammar Police From Linked Article  
jnoble : 6/24/2020 7:52 pm : link
In comment 14924420 Trainmaster said:
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“ ... two witnesses have went on the record ...”

Shouldn’t it be:

two witnesses have gone on record

Or

two witnesses have gone on the record

Or

two witnesses went on record


Get off my lawn!

Me fail English? That's unpossible!
RE: The NFL is..  
Milton : 6/24/2020 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14924565 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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They could suspend him, but they would have to do their own investigation and come to the conclusion he did something.
Very true. And my assumption (as someone not required to assume innocence until proven guilty) at this point is that he is guilty of something. Is it something that falls under the guidelines for a suspension? My spider sense tells me yes, but I could be wrong. If there was no longer any evidence against him, I would think this thing would've been dropped by now. That doesn't mean the evidence is conclusive, but apparently it's not "open and shut" either. Of course I'm no legal expert.
p.s.--The ideal scenario in my mind is that the charges are dropped because the case against him isn't strong enough for a conviction, but there is enough there to justify a two-game suspension. In such a scenario, there is still a chance for him to get his head straight and turn his career around, but it also frees the Giants from the guarantees in his contract if he doesn't change his ways (sleeping through meetings, etc).
According to my calculations (using spotrac as my resource)...  
Milton : 6/24/2020 8:19 pm : link
Baker has $3.33M left in guaranteed money: $973K this year, $1.45M in 2021, and $907K (of his $1.93M salary) in 2022.
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Optimus-NY : 6/25/2020 12:45 am : link
In comment 14924201 Victor in CT said:
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:-)


LMAO!
RE: RE: The NFL is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/25/2020 8:04 am : link
In comment 14924576 Milton said:
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They could suspend him, but they would have to do their own investigation and come to the conclusion he did something.

Very true. And my assumption (as someone not required to assume innocence until proven guilty) at this point is that he is guilty of something. Is it something that falls under the guidelines for a suspension? My spider sense tells me yes, but I could be wrong. If there was no longer any evidence against him, I would think this thing would've been dropped by now. That doesn't mean the evidence is conclusive, but apparently it's not "open and shut" either. Of course I'm no legal expert.
p.s.--The ideal scenario in my mind is that the charges are dropped because the case against him isn't strong enough for a conviction, but there is enough there to justify a two-game suspension. In such a scenario, there is still a chance for him to get his head straight and turn his career around, but it also frees the Giants from the guarantees in his contract if he doesn't change his ways (sleeping through meetings, etc).


I doubt he'll get suspended at all. Tyreek Hill didn't get suspended. If the criminal case doesn't go forward because witness testimony says he didn't do anything wrong, the NFL would set a precedent by suspending him. I don't see that happening, especially with all of the other things the NFL is trying to handle right now.
^  
ColHowPepper : 6/25/2020 9:28 am : link
It is a fairly easy case to make that the surge in covid cases in FL and especially So FL is slowing the 'wheels of justice', whether they are grinding toward dissolution of the charges or their progression. That said, they have been hanging out there for quite some time, long enough to have kept Baker out of all the OTAs in this covid world.

That obviously can't help his cause; whether it's more dire than that would be only speculation. I would be somewhat surprised if no one in a position of authority with the team has had no direct, extended and in depth discussions with him during this period, beyond merely saying you're better off getting your life in order and resolving the charges. So, I'm thinking that the absence of any of the beats reporting such discussion might mean either that the team is running a tight ship in this regard, or there haven't been any. 2020 season or not, JJ and FO have to plan.
RE: RE: GETTLEMAN HID EVIDENCE! - Pat Leonard  
Victor in CT : 6/25/2020 9:29 am : link
In comment 14924646 Optimus-NY said:
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:-)



LMAO!


I thank you...........
Three  
Dragon : 6/25/2020 11:11 am : link
Big questions?
1: Did you ROB anyone at this event?
2: If you did not commit a crime why did you flee?
3: Why did you not turn yourself in immediately when the warrant was posted?
RE: Three  
BillT : 6/25/2020 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14924754 Dragon said:
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Big questions?
1: Did you ROB anyone at this event?
2: If you did not commit a crime why did you flee?
3: Why did you not turn yourself in immediately when the warrant was posted?

There is really only one question. #1. If the answer to that is no then the rest doesn't matter and if the answer to that is yes than the rest doesn't matter.
In two weeks it'll be...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/25/2020 2:12 pm : link
'DenAndre Baker wasn't even there. He was following Thoreau and living in the woods alone when this incident occurred.'
RE: RE: the NFL can absolutely still suspend him  
Ralph.C : 6/25/2020 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14924224 Victor in CT said:
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t is a privilege to be part of the National Football League.Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from“conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in”the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network,or any other NFL business. Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL.



even if he's never brought to criminal trial, the NFL can argue he's damaged the reputation of the game and undercut public respect for the NFL. Given the reaction of most posters on the first thread on this topic, I'd say he undercut public respect.




What public respect? Every team has its share of thugs, Goodell is one of the biggest phonies who ever lived and the NFL does everything in its power to gouge the paying customerss


But if he didn’t do anything wrong, how does any of this apply?
RE: RE: RE: the NFL can absolutely still suspend him  
Victor in CT : 6/25/2020 4:00 pm : link
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t is a privilege to be part of the National Football League.Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from“conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in”the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network,or any other NFL business. Conduct by anyone in the league that is illegal, violent, dangerous, or irresponsible puts innocent victims at risk, damages the reputation of others in the game, and undercuts public respect and support for the NFL.



even if he's never brought to criminal trial, the NFL can argue he's damaged the reputation of the game and undercut public respect for the NFL. Given the reaction of most posters on the first thread on this topic, I'd say he undercut public respect.




What public respect? Every team has its share of thugs, Goodell is one of the biggest phonies who ever lived and the NFL does everything in its power to gouge the paying customerss



But if he didn’t do anything wrong, how does any of this apply?


that too!
RE: RE: this happened in Florida, right?  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/25/2020 6:15 pm : link
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and?


Break out the Bugs Bunny with the ripsaw gif...
Let's be clear here:  
81_Great_Dane : 6/25/2020 6:29 pm : link
In the current climate, there is no point in asking a young Black man "Why did you flee?" or "Why didn't you turn yourself in to police?" They can say they don't trust the police, or they feared for their life, and that's the end of the conversation. You may ANGRILY disagree, but that's where we are. It's a legitimate answer at the moment, whether it's given sincerely or not.
Netflix  
Dragon : 6/25/2020 7:39 pm : link
Must be negotiating for the rights to this future drama it’s that good a byline.
He did not flee the scene  
TrueBlue56 : 6/25/2020 10:00 pm : link
He may have left, but fleeing is a different definition. If the attorney is being factual in what he can prove, then he has baker not even driving the vehicle and the vehicle was not driving in a reckless manner.

Most smart people would first talk to a lawyer BEFORE turning themselves in.
How  
PaulN : 6/26/2020 9:31 am : link
Can you guys argue over heresay? We know 3 things, Baker was charged, Baker pleaded innocent, and the charges have not been dropped, despite Bakers lawyer saying they would be dropped next week about 6 weeks ago. That is what we know, the rest is all heresay.
I believe Baker will please to some lesser charge or something  
SGMen : 6/28/2020 12:35 am : link
And get suspended for four games. Just a hunch
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