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Daniel Jones # 1 rated quarterback from shotgun last season:

joeinpa : 6/25/2020 7:44 am
According to John Schmeelk, BBK Podcast yesterday, Jones rating from the pocket was mid 150 s

Conversely he was last in league from The pocket, ratings in mid 50 s, quite a contrast. Should be noted the neither of these ratings include RPO, s

Cast can be found on Giants.com

Possible reasons was how few times he threw from the pocket at Duke.

Did you mean to say...  
Jim in Tampa : 6/25/2020 8:32 am : link
"From the pocket" twice? Isn't the first one (150 rating) supposed to be from the "shotgun"?
another reason for the discrepancy  
KDavies : 6/25/2020 8:42 am : link
was he had a horrid OL. Excited to see how Jones will do with a decent OL, and eventually a better WR core that can get separation
Considering he was in shotgun a lot more  
BestFeature : 6/25/2020 8:43 am : link
Isn't that good news?

Also, the league is trending towards shotgun anyway. I think I'd rather he be good in shotgun than in the pocket.
Assume this is shotgun versus  
LBH15 : 6/25/2020 8:48 am : link
under center, not in the pocket.
You got this stat info totally garbled.  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/25/2020 10:39 am : link
The 150+ passer rating for Jones was for PLAY ACTION PASSES FROM SHOTGUN.

And the terrible "50ish" rating was sorted for play action pass attempts from under center.

Furthermore, there's really no serious credibility to either stat, which that dumbass Dottino called "analytics".

Why do I say that, re no validity?

The play action pass attempts from shotgun stat was based on 25 attempts, what statisticians call "n = 25".

The play action from under center stat was derived from 7 attempts, n = 7.

That's meaningless data in the statistical world, where n = 30 is considered the bare minimum to acquire a reasonable data point.

It was an interesting discussion on BBKL on Monday until the reps total was clearly stated.
He also played almost entirely from shotgun at Duke  
Lionhart28 : 6/25/2020 11:57 am : link
So it makes sense his footwork and timing under center on playaction passes needs work.

Plus, as a previous poster said, that's way too small of a sample size to glean anything from anyway.
Daniel Jones # 1 rated quarterback in fumbles last season  
David B. : 6/25/2020 2:17 pm : link
Too.
RE: Did you mean to say...  
joeinpa : 6/25/2020 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14924679 Jim in Tampa said:
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"From the pocket" twice? Isn't the first one (150 rating) supposed to be from the "shotgun"?


Dam, yes
So what I'm reading is that...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/25/2020 3:18 pm : link
…"Daniel Jones is the NFL's #1 rated passer going into 2020."

Doesn't really surprise me.

Go Giants?!
I believe the stat he was quoting  
ron mexico : 6/25/2020 3:40 pm : link
Was quarterback rating running play option while in shotgun
RE: I believe the stat he was quoting  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/26/2020 1:34 am : link
In comment 14924892 ron mexico said:
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Was quarterback rating running play option while in shotgun


No, it wasn't "whatever you believe."

He compared play action from shotgun formation vs play action from under center and quoted the 156 vs 50 ratings.

He also spoke about RPO ratings, but that wasn't the big contrast he focused on.
Play-action under center is the most difficult adjustment...  
Milton : 6/26/2020 4:40 am : link
...for a rookie QB who played nothing but shotgun in college. It goes against their ingrained training to turn their back to the defense on a passing play. This was one of the reasons I was such a fan of Rosen. Not only did he play under center in college, he excelled at play-action.

Lack of pocket awareness is the demon that Jones must conquer in order to reach the elite level his talent suggests. Hard to tell what kind of QB he'll be if he merely improves at it, but never quite overcomes it. That could be a tease.
RE: Play-action under center is the most difficult adjustment...  
SGMen : 6/28/2020 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14925035 Milton said:
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...for a rookie QB who played nothing but shotgun in college. It goes against their ingrained training to turn their back to the defense on a passing play. This was one of the reasons I was such a fan of Rosen. Not only did he play under center in college, he excelled at play-action.

Lack of pocket awareness is the demon that Jones must conquer in order to reach the elite level his talent suggests. Hard to tell what kind of QB he'll be if he merely improves at it, but never quite overcomes it. That could be a tease.
We will learn soon enough whether his pocket presence has improved enough to keep turnovers and sacks to a minimum. I like Jones work ethic and his personality so I know he'll work hard but until games 1, 2, 3, etc., we won't know how much better he has gotten.

I'll add I think Jones is pretty good at hitting guys in stride. I never thought that about Eli really.
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