Daniel Jones # 1 rated quarterback from shotgun last season:

"From the pocket" twice? Isn't the first one (150 rating) supposed to be from the "shotgun"?

was he had a horrid OL. Excited to see how Jones will do with a decent OL, and eventually a better WR core that can get separation

Isn't that good news?

Also, the league is trending towards shotgun anyway. I think I'd rather he be good in shotgun than in the pocket.

under center, not in the pocket.

The 150+ passer rating for Jones was for PLAY ACTION PASSES FROM SHOTGUN.

And the terrible "50ish" rating was sorted for play action pass attempts from under center.

Furthermore, there's really no serious credibility to either stat, which that dumbass Dottino called "analytics".

Why do I say that, re no validity?

The play action pass attempts from shotgun stat was based on 25 attempts, what statisticians call "n = 25".

The play action from under center stat was derived from 7 attempts, n = 7.

That's meaningless data in the statistical world, where n = 30 is considered the bare minimum to acquire a reasonable data point.

It was an interesting discussion on BBKL on Monday until the reps total was clearly stated.

So it makes sense his footwork and timing under center on playaction passes needs work.

Plus, as a previous poster said, that's way too small of a sample size to glean anything from anyway.

Too.

In comment 14924679 Jim in Tampa said:

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"From the pocket" twice? Isn't the first one (150 rating) supposed to be from the "shotgun"?

Dam, yes

…"Daniel Jones is the NFL's #1 rated passer going into 2020."

Doesn't really surprise me.

Go Giants?!

Was quarterback rating running play option while in shotgun

In comment 14924892 ron mexico said:

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Was quarterback rating running play option while in shotgun

No, it wasn't "whatever you believe."

He compared play action from shotgun formation vs play action from under center and quoted the 156 vs 50 ratings.

He also spoke about RPO ratings, but that wasn't the big contrast he focused on.

...for a rookie QB who played nothing but shotgun in college. It goes against their ingrained training to turn their back to the defense on a passing play. This was one of the reasons I was such a fan of Rosen. Not only did he play under center in college, he excelled at play-action.

Lack of pocket awareness is the demon that Jones must conquer in order to reach the elite level his talent suggests. Hard to tell what kind of QB he'll be if he merely improves at it, but never quite overcomes it. That could be a tease.

In comment 14925035 Milton said:

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...for a rookie QB who played nothing but shotgun in college. It goes against their ingrained training to turn their back to the defense on a passing play. This was one of the reasons I was such a fan of Rosen. Not only did he play under center in college, he excelled at play-action. Lack of pocket awareness is the demon that Jones must conquer in order to reach the elite level his talent suggests. Hard to tell what kind of QB he'll be if he merely improves at it, but never quite overcomes it. That could be a tease.

We will learn soon enough whether his pocket presence has improved enough to keep turnovers and sacks to a minimum. I like Jones work ethic and his personality so I know he'll work hard but until games 1, 2, 3, etc., we won't know how much better he has gotten.

I'll add I think Jones is pretty good at hitting guys in stride. I never thought that about Eli really.