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NFT: NASCAR releases photo of “noose” “pull rope”

RicFlair : 6/25/2020 1:51 pm
If this is deemed political I apologize in advance don’t ban me bro, but it seems like an important update since it was kinda left as people think they overreacted seeing a normal rope.



https://twitter.com/danlinden/status/1276191344491401220?s=21 - ( New Window )
I have seen other pics of this rope  
Chef : 6/25/2020 1:53 pm : link
and they did not resemble this picture...
RE: I have seen other pics of this rope  
section125 : 6/25/2020 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14924822 Chef said:
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and they did not resemble this picture...


Agreed. That rope is much thicker than the pics I saw and probably double the turns.
It does seem like there are other ways to pull a door.  
Heisenberg : 6/25/2020 1:56 pm : link
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So NASCAR is sharing an incorrect photo?  
Heisenberg : 6/25/2020 1:57 pm : link
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RE: I have seen other pics of this rope  
Leg of Theismann : 6/25/2020 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14924822 Chef said:
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and they did not resemble this picture...


...but those weren’t the pics released by NASCAR. They were random pics floating around the internet that various people were saying was the “noose” in question.
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nygiants16 : 6/25/2020 1:59 pm : link
In comment 14924829 Leg of Theismann said:
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and they did not resemble this picture...



...but those weren’t the pics released by NASCAR. They were random pics floating around the internet that various people were saying was the “noose” in question.


wasnt that picture released by the fbi?
From the post  
section125 : 6/25/2020 1:59 pm : link
This photo could..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/25/2020 2:00 pm : link
have come from a different garage. I had heard that several garages had pull ropes that had knots similar to that. The one in Wallace's garage, from the photograph last October was a much smaller hole for the hand.

If it is from wallace's garage, the knot had been retied since October.
It does seem like quite an ornate knot for a simple task  
ron mexico : 6/25/2020 2:01 pm : link
If it’s the real one that is.

I will admit however that when I was probably about 10 years old, I used to tie nooses all the time. I thought they were cool. I did eventually grow out of that phase.

Either way the country has a lot bigger issues than what knot is used for a garage pull. Or whether or not Kaepernick gets to play football this year for that matter.
RE: RE: RE: I have seen other pics of this rope  
Leg of Theismann : 6/25/2020 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14924831 nygiants16 said:
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and they did not resemble this picture...



...but those weren’t the pics released by NASCAR. They were random pics floating around the internet that various people were saying was the “noose” in question.



wasnt that picture released by the fbi?


I don’t think the FBI released anything besides their statement. Again there were of course things floating around the internet that people said came from the FBI.
I'm so confused  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/25/2020 2:04 pm : link
about all of this.
The FBI..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/25/2020 2:05 pm : link
released a photo from last October. That was the one the news stations have been showing.
When I watched Fox coverage of the race  
redwhiteandbigblue : 6/25/2020 2:07 pm : link
I could swear the "noose" was much further inside the garage and much less conspicuous. Does not matter but I question that picture as being in Bubba's garage.
RE: This photo could..  
Leg of Theismann : 6/25/2020 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14924833 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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have come from a different garage. I had heard that several garages had pull ropes that had knots similar to that. The one in Wallace's garage, from the photograph last October was a much smaller hole for the hand.

If it is from wallace's garage, the knot had been retied since October.


I had read that the one in Wallace’s garage was the only one fashioned in “that form” (I.e. like a literal NOOSE). Other garage pulls were similar but not like literal nooses. Hence why certain people freaked out and the FBI was called. If this was the actual noose that was found, the story makes a whole lot more sense from everyone’s perspective now including those who messed up.
This shows Bay 4  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/25/2020 2:09 pm : link
Looks about the same to me as the picture NASCAR released.

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Ryan in Albany : 6/25/2020 2:12 pm : link
there is no other track in NASCAR with a similar pulley in any of their garages according to
@MartySmithESPN
.... 11 rope pulleys were found but not one like this.
I hought it looked like a noose  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2020 2:20 pm : link
from the second I saw it, but a tiny noose - if you view it that way. and not a hate crime toward Wallace.

But something is strange, this is the picture I saw being floated.

Well, that settles whether it was an overreaction.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/25/2020 2:24 pm : link
That's a noose. If I was on the crew for a Black driver, I'd report it too. The explanation may be 100% innocent, but it's weird.
RE: I hought it looked like a noose  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/25/2020 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14924846 pjcas18 said:
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from the second I saw it, but a tiny noose - if you view it that way. and not a hate crime toward Wallace.

But something is strange, this is the picture I saw being floated.


Looks like the noose was cut off at that point - hardly surprising.
RE: Well, that settles whether it was an overreaction.  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/25/2020 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14924848 81_Great_Dane said:
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That's a noose. If I was on the crew for a Black driver, I'd report it too. The explanation may be 100% innocent, but it's weird.


Exactly, don't forget that Wallace had received death threats for driving a BLM car + asking to have the Confederate flag removed from NASCAR events. That made the death threats he received more worrisome than the typical "FU athlete I don't like!" threats that other athletes/celebrities get. NASCAR probably told teams to let us know if you see anything suspicious and the crew member saw something he thought could've been suspicious, end of story imo.

Really this was the best possible outcome. It wasn't a real threat and it wasn't a fabricated story, it was just a misunderstanding.
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Chris in Philly : 6/25/2020 2:39 pm : link
NASCAR president Steve Phelps says NASCAR conducted a "thorough sweep of all 29 tracks where they race, and 1684 garage stalls, they found only 11 total ropes that had a pulldown rope tied in a knot, and just one noose: The one in Bubba Wallace garage."
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FatMan in Charlotte : 6/25/2020 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14924852 Chris in Philly said:
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NASCAR president Steve Phelps says NASCAR conducted a "thorough sweep of all 29 tracks where they race, and 1684 garage stalls, they found only 11 total ropes that had a pulldown rope tied in a knot, and just one noose: The one in Bubba Wallace garage."


I wonder how many of them had been untied after the race Sunday!
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Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/25/2020 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14924852 Chris in Philly said:
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NASCAR president Steve Phelps says NASCAR conducted a "thorough sweep of all 29 tracks where they race, and 1684 garage stalls, they found only 11 total ropes that had a pulldown rope tied in a knot, and just one noose: The one in Bubba Wallace garage."


I wonder which NASCAR official or Talladega track official is in charge of assigning garages.
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Leg of Theismann : 6/25/2020 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14924852 Chris in Philly said:
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NASCAR president Steve Phelps says NASCAR conducted a "thorough sweep of all 29 tracks where they race, and 1684 garage stalls, they found only 11 total ropes that had a pulldown rope tied in a knot, and just one noose: The one in Bubba Wallace garage."


And that's why I suspected: the picture of the smaller rope that has been circulating the internet and was deemed to be "released by the FBI" was actually just a picture of one of the other 11 ropes at the track. People saw a perfect opportunity to use it to try to de-legitimize this and make Wallace and NASCAR look like they were "just overreacting" or trying to get publicity. As though, by the end of it, this whole thing has been any sort of publicity anyone would want (it ended up being fairly embarrassing once it was deemed to be nothing).
Sports Illustrated story  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/25/2020 2:46 pm : link
Confirming noose was cut down after photo was taken.
SI article - ( New Window )
so if nascar...  
Italianju : 6/25/2020 2:46 pm : link
found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?

RE: so if nascar...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/25/2020 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14924859 Italianju said:
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found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?


Ummm. Show a photo from several months ago where the rope already existed?
RE: so if nascar...  
JB_in_DC : 6/25/2020 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14924859 Italianju said:
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found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?


They had photographic evidence of the identical rope in that garage space from several months back at least.
or was the idea that...  
Italianju : 6/25/2020 2:51 pm : link
the knot, that exact one had been there for awhile and it was just dumb luck the one Black driver got the one noose. I mean sure, that seems pretty likely, shit happens i guess.....(sarcasm off)
RE: so if nascar...  
Leg of Theismann : 6/25/2020 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14924859 Italianju said:
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found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?


They determined that the noose had been there since long before Bubba Wallace got there.
RE: So NASCAR is sharing an incorrect photo?  
Captplanet : 6/25/2020 2:52 pm : link
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No I think someone turned the normal pull rope into a noose.
RE: so if nascar...  
KDavies : 6/25/2020 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14924859 Italianju said:
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found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?


They determined it had been there since the last year like that. I couldn't believe they had 15 FBI agents there for that. I'm not even sure what the crime would be. I know there had been a federal noose hate crime act proposed, but not enacted, years ago. Some states it is illegal, but usually a misdemeanor.
Bubba didn't see the Noose  
Captplanet : 6/25/2020 3:02 pm : link
But if I worked for the only black driver in Nascar who usually get threat threats just for being black, but is now getting death treats for his political stance. If I walked into a garage in Alabama where 100's of African Amreican's have been lynched and I saw that rope tied like a noose, I would call the cops too.
my guess is that  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/25/2020 3:10 pm : link
a while back, someone made the garage pull knot with a rope and fashioned it to look like a noose, either due to gallows humor, or because it was a bit of a "good ol boy" humor with a racist tinge to it. No one said anything about it because they either didn't notice it or thought it was a "harmless" joke, and because they likely weren't any black people going in and out of the stall in the meantime to be viscerally appalled by the sight.

But if it were a joke, it's only a "harmless" joke to them because there weren't black people going in and out of the garage who would be outraged by it.

Fast forward to last weekend when Bubba's team was assigned the stall. They go in, and see this pull rope fashioned to look like a noose.

Given that only 11 stalls in all of Nascar used a rope pull knot, and NONE of them were fashioned to look like a noose, how do you expect them to react? They are on the team with the only black driver in the sport who is racing in a car that says Black Lives Matter.

Why would they not first think that it was placed there on purpose to send a message of hate?

I'm glad that this wasn't done intentionally just to put in Bubba Wallace's stall. That would have been abhorrent. But I think it speaks to the idea of "harmless" jokes that are done by presuming insular groups and the effects and damage it can have when exposed to the broader community at large and how it could perpetuate the insularity of the group.
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section125 : 6/25/2020 3:11 pm : link
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found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?




They determined it had been there since the last year like that. I couldn't believe they had 15 FBI agents there for that. I'm not even sure what the crime would be. I know there had been a federal noose hate crime act proposed, but not enacted, years ago. Some states it is illegal, but usually a misdemeanor.


It would be a federal hate crime of intimidation, I believe. Yes in some states it is illegal to tie a noose.
More than likely some juvenile thinking it was funny to tie a garage pull into a noose knot and left it there.

NASCAR enjoying the publicity. Remember, even bad publicity is good.

As for 11 knots in 1680+ garages, that sounds probable. How many of those guys would even think of doing that? It is amazing what some people think is "funny."
PaulBlakeTSU  
Italianju : 6/25/2020 3:18 pm : link
seems dead on to me.

There is a video on Youtube  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2020 3:19 pm : link
"GarageCam: Walk through the Camping World garage at Talladega"

I watched it for a few minutes, it definitely doesn't seem like that is the only pull down tied like a noose.

So it's not like the one garage with a noose pull down was assigned to the one black driver

Here is one other example and I wasn't watching anymore of this. It's over. It's stupid to tie a garage pull down like a noose. It was not done as a hate crime against Wallace. It's unfortunate he was subjected to it, and the reaction was probably over the top. Wallace's second statement nailed it I think and I hope it doesn't change the NASCAR response, but I hope it changes people's rush to judgment.

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KDavies : 6/25/2020 3:26 pm : link
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found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?




They determined it had been there since the last year like that. I couldn't believe they had 15 FBI agents there for that. I'm not even sure what the crime would be. I know there had been a federal noose hate crime act proposed, but not enacted, years ago. Some states it is illegal, but usually a misdemeanor.



It would be a federal hate crime of intimidation, I believe. Yes in some states it is illegal to tie a noose.
More than likely some juvenile thinking it was funny to tie a garage pull into a noose knot and left it there.

NASCAR enjoying the publicity. Remember, even bad publicity is good.

As for 11 knots in 1680+ garages, that sounds probable. How many of those guys would even think of doing that? It is amazing what some people think is "funny."


Yeah, state crimes are only if there is an intent to intimidate. A stand alone rope, with nothing else, is going to be pretty hard to establish that it wasn't either A. how the rope was tied to serve another purpose or B. a really bad joke.

The picture above is certainly different that the one that was posted the other day, but I still haven't seen whether it was an actual noose, or just looks like a noose.
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Heisenberg : 6/25/2020 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14924883 KDavies said:
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... but I still haven't seen whether it was an actual noose, or just looks like a noose.


This is an important distinction?
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Leg of Theismann : 6/25/2020 3:34 pm : link
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found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?




They determined it had been there since the last year like that. I couldn't believe they had 15 FBI agents there for that. I'm not even sure what the crime would be. I know there had been a federal noose hate crime act proposed, but not enacted, years ago. Some states it is illegal, but usually a misdemeanor.


What? If someone intentionally planted a noose in a black person's home or place of business, you think that wouldn't be a crime, besides maybe a "misdemeanor" in "some states"? Do you also think it's not a crime to call in a bomb threat at the super bowl because it's just a phone call?

Considering the history of this country, and the fact there are still lynchings of black people that occur in this country every once in a while these days, I don't think that's the type of thing the authorities just let slide and say "ah yeah we found out someone threatened this black public figure in a historically racist sport with a hate crime, but technically no crime has been committed sorry."

Even threatening physical harm to someone is technically "assault" based on the law (of course it's never punished to the same extent as actual physical assault). Add on the fact this would have technically been proven to be a murder-threat, and a hate-crime at that, I can't believe you would think that wouldn't constitute a serious crime.
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Leg of Theismann : 6/25/2020 3:36 pm : link
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found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?




They determined it had been there since the last year like that. I couldn't believe they had 15 FBI agents there for that. I'm not even sure what the crime would be. I know there had been a federal noose hate crime act proposed, but not enacted, years ago. Some states it is illegal, but usually a misdemeanor.



It would be a federal hate crime of intimidation, I believe. Yes in some states it is illegal to tie a noose.
More than likely some juvenile thinking it was funny to tie a garage pull into a noose knot and left it there.

NASCAR enjoying the publicity. Remember, even bad publicity is good.

As for 11 knots in 1680+ garages, that sounds probable. How many of those guys would even think of doing that? It is amazing what some people think is "funny."



Yeah, state crimes are only if there is an intent to intimidate. A stand alone rope, with nothing else, is going to be pretty hard to establish that it wasn't either A. how the rope was tied to serve another purpose or B. a really bad joke.

The picture above is certainly different that the one that was posted the other day, but I still haven't seen whether it was an actual noose, or just looks like a noose.


Yeah the point is it has been determined no crime was committed, because there was no ill-intent toward Wallace. You seemed to be implying the FBI shouldn't have even been called because there wasn't even a *possibility* a crime had been committed. If there had actually been ill-intent, of course it would have been serious crime. That's what the FBI was called in to determine.
It is....  
Italianju : 6/25/2020 3:39 pm : link
good (for a lack of a better word) to find out this has been there for a bit and did not directly target wallace. With everything going on right now im not surprised that his crew member thought the worst when he saw that and im not surprised how Bubba reacted when hearing about it. But again it makes me feel "better" (again lack of a better word) taht it at least wasnt targeted at him.
NASCAR inspected  
arniefez : 6/25/2020 3:40 pm : link
1,684 stalls, 11 with pulldown ropes tied with a knot, 1 noose.

What are the odds that's the door the 43 team gets? Nothing to see here.
RE: Well, that settles whether it was an overreaction.  
djm : 6/25/2020 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14924848 81_Great_Dane said:
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That's a noose. If I was on the crew for a Black driver, I'd report it too. The explanation may be 100% innocent, but it's weird.


Seconded
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KDavies : 6/25/2020 3:42 pm : link
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found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?




They determined it had been there since the last year like that. I couldn't believe they had 15 FBI agents there for that. I'm not even sure what the crime would be. I know there had been a federal noose hate crime act proposed, but not enacted, years ago. Some states it is illegal, but usually a misdemeanor.



What? If someone intentionally planted a noose in a black person's home or place of business, you think that wouldn't be a crime, besides maybe a "misdemeanor" in "some states"? Do you also think it's not a crime to call in a bomb threat at the super bowl because it's just a phone call?

Considering the history of this country, and the fact there are still lynchings of black people that occur in this country every once in a while these days, I don't think that's the type of thing the authorities just let slide and say "ah yeah we found out someone threatened this black public figure in a historically racist sport with a hate crime, but technically no crime has been committed sorry."

Even threatening physical harm to someone is technically "assault" based on the law (of course it's never punished to the same extent as actual physical assault). Add on the fact this would have technically been proven to be a murder-threat, and a hate-crime at that, I can't believe you would think that wouldn't constitute a serious crime.


Depends on what you define as a serious crime. I haven't dealt with the issue in quite a while, but I recall Louisiana law had it as a misdemeanor, and the proposed federal noose law (which did not pass) had max punishment of fine/2 years prison.
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KDavies : 6/25/2020 3:44 pm : link
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found that to be the only noose out of 1600 or whatever then what the hell did the FBI do that they quickly determined it wasnt a hate crime?




They determined it had been there since the last year like that. I couldn't believe they had 15 FBI agents there for that. I'm not even sure what the crime would be. I know there had been a federal noose hate crime act proposed, but not enacted, years ago. Some states it is illegal, but usually a misdemeanor.



It would be a federal hate crime of intimidation, I believe. Yes in some states it is illegal to tie a noose.
More than likely some juvenile thinking it was funny to tie a garage pull into a noose knot and left it there.

NASCAR enjoying the publicity. Remember, even bad publicity is good.

As for 11 knots in 1680+ garages, that sounds probable. How many of those guys would even think of doing that? It is amazing what some people think is "funny."



Yeah, state crimes are only if there is an intent to intimidate. A stand alone rope, with nothing else, is going to be pretty hard to establish that it wasn't either A. how the rope was tied to serve another purpose or B. a really bad joke.

The picture above is certainly different that the one that was posted the other day, but I still haven't seen whether it was an actual noose, or just looks like a noose.



Yeah the point is it has been determined no crime was committed, because there was no ill-intent toward Wallace. You seemed to be implying the FBI shouldn't have even been called because there wasn't even a *possibility* a crime had been committed. If there had actually been ill-intent, of course it would have been serious crime. That's what the FBI was called in to determine.


I did not imply that the FBI shouldn't have been called. I was surprised, having worked in the federal courts, how many FBI agents were called for this. It was a lot.
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Leg of Theismann : 6/25/2020 3:45 pm : link
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The picture above is certainly different that the one that was posted the other day, but I still haven't seen whether it was an actual noose, or just looks like a noose.


The picture posted today was the one released by NASCAR, and it is quite obviously a noose. There's also a picture above from November showing a noose that looks just like the one posted today from a different angle. No one *actually* knows the source of the pic posted "the other day" you're referring to. People said it came from the FBI but I haven't seen a single reputable source confirm the FBI released it and that it was a picture of Bubba's stall.
It doesn't matter if it was a coincidence  
BH28 : 6/25/2020 3:46 pm : link
or how many pull ropes look like nooses. Because of the symbolism, the use of it's ruined forever even it was an 'innocent' gesture; get them the fuck out of the sport.

Same reason the confederate flag is now banned.
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KDavies : 6/25/2020 3:48 pm : link
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... but I still haven't seen whether it was an actual noose, or just looks like a noose.



This is an important distinction?


A noose tightens. There are other knots that may look like a noose, but are not nooses because they don't tighten. In garages, there are pull ropes that are looped like that because people's hands are often greasy, and a straight rope is difficult to grasp with greasy hands.

If it was a noose that tightened, it would be a lot worse IMO because there would be no functional purpose for it. What is the functional purpose of a pull rope that tightens on you?
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Leg of Theismann : 6/25/2020 3:53 pm : link
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They determined it had been there since the last year like that. I couldn't believe they had 15 FBI agents there for that. I'm not even sure what the crime would be. I know there had been a federal noose hate crime act proposed, but not enacted, years ago. Some states it is illegal, but usually a misdemeanor.


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I did not imply that the FBI shouldn't have been called. I was surprised, having worked in the federal courts, how many FBI agents were called for this. It was a lot.


You're right, you didn't imply the FBI shouldn't have been called, you just said you were surprised that many agents were called. Hindsight is always 20/20, but considering the context with this being the only black driver in a racist sport in Alabama, and the fact NASCAR didn't know it had been there since 2019, I can see why the FBI took it so seriously. Also-- it's likely if this was just some regular Joe who found a noose in his office, that many FBI agents wouldn't have been called. But considering the publicity of this thing, imagine if a major sports figure was somehow murdered overnight because the investigation didn't get done immediately. THAT is why I assume so many agents were called. The FBI was thinking and preparing for the worst case scenario. This was a purposeful overreaction because of the potential for how bad it could have looked if they under-reacted. If they under-reacted and the worst imaginable thing happened, there'd likely be major backlash and another month of public unrest, hence federal law enforcement went with the "better safe than sorry" approach.
RE: It doesn't matter if it was a coincidence  
KDavies : 6/25/2020 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14924898 BH28 said:
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or how many pull ropes look like nooses. Because of the symbolism, the use of it's ruined forever even it was an 'innocent' gesture; get them the fuck out of the sport.

Same reason the confederate flag is now banned.


You can almost guarantee NASCAR will now institute regulations on pull ropes/types of knots that can be used.
RE: NASCAR inspected  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/25/2020 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14924891 arniefez said:
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1,684 stalls, 11 with pulldown ropes tied with a knot, 1 noose.

What are the odds that's the door the 43 team gets? Nothing to see here.


That was a very convenient response from NASCAR. Having a brother-in-law who works on a team, he's said that rope pulls with hand holds are common.

And knowing how NASCAR operates, they likely told the local track official to report back on the garage situation. How many ropes were untied? How many officials wanted to report they had a noose in a stall?

Look, NASCAR had a great moment showing support of Wallace this weekend. People should focus on that. A rope that existed for several months that wasn't intended for Wallace is detracting from that.
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KDavies : 6/25/2020 3:57 pm : link
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They determined it had been there since the last year like that. I couldn't believe they had 15 FBI agents there for that. I'm not even sure what the crime would be. I know there had been a federal noose hate crime act proposed, but not enacted, years ago. Some states it is illegal, but usually a misdemeanor.


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I did not imply that the FBI shouldn't have been called. I was surprised, having worked in the federal courts, how many FBI agents were called for this. It was a lot.



You're right, you didn't imply the FBI shouldn't have been called, you just said you were surprised that many agents were called. Hindsight is always 20/20, but considering the context with this being the only black driver in a racist sport in Alabama, and the fact NASCAR didn't know it had been there since 2019, I can see why the FBI took it so seriously. Also-- it's likely if this was just some regular Joe who found a noose in his office, that many FBI agents wouldn't have been called. But considering the publicity of this thing, imagine if a major sports figure was somehow murdered overnight because the investigation didn't get done immediately. THAT is why I assume so many agents were called. The FBI was thinking and preparing for the worst case scenario. This was a purposeful overreaction because of the potential for how bad it could have looked if they under-reacted. If they under-reacted and the worst imaginable thing happened, there'd likely be major backlash and another month of public unrest, hence federal law enforcement went with the "better safe than sorry" approach.


Agreed. That was my point. They (NASCAR and the FBI) really took it seriously. I saw some criticism from NASCAR for getting the feds involved, which I found bizarre. They would have been hammered if they did an internal investigation and came to the same conclusion, as conspiracy theorists would have been calling it a cover-up
RE: RE: Well, that settles whether it was an overreaction.  
nzyme : 6/25/2020 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14924851 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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In comment 14924848 81_Great_Dane said:


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That's a noose. If I was on the crew for a Black driver, I'd report it too. The explanation may be 100% innocent, but it's weird.



Exactly, don't forget that Wallace had received death threats for driving a BLM car + asking to have the Confederate flag removed from NASCAR events. That made the death threats he received more worrisome than the typical "FU athlete I don't like!" threats that other athletes/celebrities get. NASCAR probably told teams to let us know if you see anything suspicious and the crew member saw something he thought could've been suspicious, end of story imo.

Really this was the best possible outcome. It wasn't a real threat and it wasn't a fabricated story, it was just a misunderstanding.


It wasn't fabricated?? You gotta be joking! This was Jussie Smollett 2.0! Not only that....When all you see is race then that's how you are going to perceive the world you live in. Pathetic excuse.
smh  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/25/2020 4:28 pm : link
you're an idiot.
Comparisons..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/25/2020 4:30 pm : link
to Smollett are lazy and offbase. Wallace didn't even see the rope and he's only been responding to interview requests being made of him.

And while my initial impression was he was trying to milk the attention, he's made statements in the past day or two saying that he's relieved it wasn't targeted at him and he just wants to make sure that the situation was investigated properly.

Smollett intentionally faked an assault and framed it as being the work of racists.
nyzme never disappoints  
Mad Mike : 6/25/2020 4:39 pm : link
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The picure that Section125 posted is a daouble half hitch  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/25/2020 4:42 pm : link
Very common knot for making a loop, lashing or cinching. Anyone that has a boat can do one blind folded and can spot one easily.

It's not even close to a noose.


RE: The picure that Section125 posted is a daouble half hitch  
section125 : 6/25/2020 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14924930 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Very common knot for making a loop, lashing or cinching. Anyone that has a boat can do one blind folded and can spot one easily.

It's not even close to a noose.



That is not a double half hitch. A double half hitch slides and closes the becket when the line is pulled. It would never be used for making a loop for a pull down (in actuality a noose knot slides also). It is also not a clove hitch.
I tried to count the turns around the line, and there appears to be 4 turns, but it is blurry.
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