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Expectations for the Pats this fall?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/25/2020 7:55 pm
Outside of us, I'm curious to see how New England's season goes with no TB. From all I've read/heard from cousins who are Pats fans, BB is high on Stidham. I saw him a bunch when he was at Auburn, but nothing stood out & there's a reason why he lasted until the 4th round. Then again, Montana was picked in the 3rd round & TB didn't go to 199 in the '00 Draft so who knows? It's a crapshoot.

Most people are putting Buffalo as the AFC East favorite, but I'm still taking the Pats. BB is the GOAT & I just think they're the favorites until proven otherwise. They lost some key guys like Van Noy & Collins, but I just think BB will find a way since he always seems to find one. I'm not expecting them to go 14-2 or anything, but I can definitely see a 10-6, 11-5 season. The Cassel led Pats went 11-5 in '08 after TB tore his ACL.

I may be in the minority, but I don't really hate the Patriots. I was never a TB fan, but I respect & appreciate BB for what he did here with us & his obvious coaching genius. Also, we beat them twice when it counted the most so...:-) Now, I'm not someone like pjcas18 who lives in New England & has to deal with their mostly pink hat fans on a daily basis, but I enjoy visiting New England & rocking my Giants gear & seeing people burn a hole through me with their eyes. Haha.
Every time BB has had to play without Brady, they have succeeded.  
Ivan15 : 6/25/2020 8:01 pm : link
They will survive. 10-6
RE: Every time BB has had to play without Brady, they have succeeded.  
81_Great_Dane : 6/25/2020 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14924972 Ivan15 said:
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They will survive. 10-6
Seems right to me. BB has been unreal about being able to reload on the fly. Last year was a down year but he's seen this coming. And he and TB both have chips on their shoulder, each wants to prove he can thrive without the other.
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Danny Kanell : 6/25/2020 8:30 pm : link
I still think they’re gonna win the division. I think Buffalo takes a step back, Miami is on the right path but won’t be ready for another year or two and the Jets are awful.
In order to be the man  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2020 8:37 pm : link
you have to beat the man. Until proven otherwise the Patriots are still the AFCE favorites IMO. And SB contenders.

And Belichick was forced to play without Brady in 2009 and missed the playoffs and was 5 games worse in the regular season than the year before.

And 2016 Brady was suspended the 4 games, and yes they went 3 - 1. And I agree you are what your record says you are, but it was not a strong 3 - 1.

The 3 - 1 was MIA, BUF, HOU and ARI.

both times without Brady as serendipitous as it might seem the Patriots had historically easy schedules.
20th ranked Offense - 5th Ranked Defense  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/25/2020 8:46 pm : link
8/9 wins, not close to a real contender but a well coached slightly above average team

People do not give Brady enough credit for the missed '08 season. That offense went from GOAT caliber to "pretty good" with his loss. The '08 Pats also had a ridiculously easy schedule.

Brady will definitely be missed.
It would be very Belicikian  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/25/2020 8:51 pm : link
(which someday will replace Machiavellian in our Thesauruses) for the Pats to go 1-15, and draft first overall the year Trevor Lawrence enters the draft.
I think they win the division and maybe even the Super Bowl...  
Milton : 6/25/2020 9:17 pm : link
Belichick seems to thrive on those rare times when he's the underdog.
9-7...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/25/2020 9:26 pm : link
...one game behind the Giants.
I don’t think they will do it  
rasbutant : 6/25/2020 9:30 pm : link
But Cam Newton Is still a FA

I bet BB could also make Blake Bortles look like an NFL QB.

But I think he’ll stick with the guy that knows the system.
Well There's This View  
Trainmaster : 6/25/2020 10:36 pm : link
Expectations for the Pats this fall?  
Spider43 : 6/25/2020 10:42 pm : link
I think they'll still be a Wild Card team. But I definitely think that's Buffalo's division to lose. I don't think the Bucs make the playoffs either.
It's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/25/2020 11:21 pm : link
going to be fascinating to watch. My teenage boy is convinced that the Pats success was mostly due to Tom Brady. But he's far too young to know about Belichick's history. I keep telling him, "Don't count Belichick out. Ever."
RE: It would be very Belicikian  
Saquads26 : 6/26/2020 1:47 am : link
In comment 14924999 BlueLou'sBack said:
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(which someday will replace Machiavellian in our Thesauruses) for the Pats to go 1-15, and draft first overall the year Trevor Lawrence enters the draft.


That would be the opposite of Belicikian
I think a lot depends on if  
section125 : 6/26/2020 6:19 am : link
they picked up any NFL quality WRs. They had none last year. Plus, Brady was finally starting to show his age. Bad combo.

I think they are 10-6(because Belichick is Belichick) and a wild card team. Buffalo wins the division.

BTW, Brady is still an upgrade over Winston. Tampa will probably go 10-6(they have very good WRs that Brady needs) and make the playoffs.
Only half joking  
SLIM_ : 6/26/2020 7:28 am : link
I think Belicheck has been infecting his players with Covid-19 as we speak. While other teams will have to quarantine players over the year, his team will be completely healthy. They ride this health to another Super Bowl win.

As Eric said, "Don't count out Belicheck ever". The guy is always a step ahead.
The big  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/26/2020 7:33 am : link
problem I thought they had last year was the OL with all the injuries. They lose their longtime OL this year and he was not even able to make it work last season.

If they are able to run the ball I think they will be pretty good. You know the defense is going to be at least pretty good. So if the OL rebounds I think they will be gunning for the division.

It feels like they've invested in becoming less QB dependent  
Heisenberg : 6/26/2020 8:01 am : link
the last few years and have become a heavy running team.

I think they'll be good. Stidham will need to make plays to keep drives alive and make room for the backs though. It'll be interesting to see if he can.

Still the best Coach ever and that division is nothing special. They will probably make the playoffs.
I don't think there's going to be a complete  
oghwga : 6/26/2020 8:15 am : link
NFL season. So Brady will get a year older and BB will plan and reload. Brady never gets a chance to prove himself without BB. Hope I'm wrong.
None,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/26/2020 8:28 am : link
given that I still believe there won’t be a season or much of one for all major league sports
Belichick will adjust to life without Brady just fine  
LBH15 : 6/26/2020 8:33 am : link
and win games with his defense, specials and coaching. At least until he finds his next guy at QB that puts him back on top.
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Gruber : 6/26/2020 8:44 am : link
I think it's going to come down to whether the Bills can actually beat the Pats, as they're 5-29 against the Patriots since Belichick took over. I'd love to see the Bills win a Superbowl, though obviously not at our expense.
This is BB's time  
HoustonGiant : 6/26/2020 9:13 am : link
if he wants to kill any doubt that he's the GOAT he's gotta win without TB.
The Bills can also regress  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2020 9:21 am : link
Josh Allen has a lot of work to do and there's no guarantee that defense holds up (we see time and time again how different a defense can look year to year - Jags, Rams, etc).

I'm picking the Pats to win the division at 10-6.
Anywhere from 9-12 wins  
djm : 6/26/2020 10:39 am : link
Probably more like 10-11 wins. Until belichick loses ill assume he’s going to win. Their D is solid. He will have the pats ready to play. Like always. Lol jets.
just a reminder  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/26/2020 10:48 am : link
2007 Pats: 36.8 PPG
2008 Pats: 25.6 PPG (-11.2 PPG)

2010 Colts: 27.2 PPG
2011 Colts: 15.2 PPG (-12.0 PPG)

The 2007 Pats were the best team in Brady's run and the 2010 Colts were the worst team in Peyton's run. Brady's team went from historically dominant to good, Peyton's team went from good to terrible. Yet people make it seem like losing Brady had no effect on the Pats while losing Peyton made the Colts fall apart.

Belichick is amazing, but some of you give him way too much credit and Brady not enough. Belichick has been able to be more creative and invest more on defense because of Brady's greatness carrying mediocre offensive talent for most of his career. The relationship between the two was reciprocal, yet very few seem to want to give Brady any credit for Belichick's success.

2019 Brady isn't the same as 2007 Brady, but he's still better than his basic numbers would suggest. The Pats offense is going to struggle.
2008 Pats  
UConn4523 : 6/26/2020 11:01 am : link
didn't have an entire offseason to plan around a Brady injury. So throwing a very pedestrian, and below average starter in there and still churning out almost 26 ppg is pretty damn impressive.

Their offense will struggle but I also think it has room for improvement in some areas - something that really couldn't be achieved before due to Brady's athletic limitations. Stidham being a much better athlete opens up an entire new way to run the offense (potentially) as long as he can limit turnovers (where Brady still excels).

They will go as far as their D takes them though as long as the turnovers are limited on offense.
RE: In order to be the man  
BillKo : 6/26/2020 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14924988 pjcas18 said:
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And Belichick was forced to play without Brady in 2009 and missed the playoffs and was 5 games worse in the regular season than the year before.


I think you mean 2008 season?

And of course you are comparing a team to the previous year that basically won every game lol....16-0.

To say they were five games worse and missed the playoffs at 11-5 is a bit misleading, no?

Having said that, I don't see the Patriots coming close to a SB with basically an inexperienced QB. Sure his coaching and structure will win games, but I see them maybe a 9 win team. Tops.

RE: 2008 Pats  
BillKo : 6/26/2020 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14925128 UConn4523 said:
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didn't have an entire offseason to plan around a Brady injury. So throwing a very pedestrian, and below average starter in there and still churning out almost 26 ppg is pretty damn impressive.


Remember too that was a 16-0 returning roster....so huge amounts of talent.
I'd still say they are the odds-on favorite to win  
Section331 : 6/26/2020 1:01 pm : link
the AFCE. Their defense is really good, and they rotate so many guys that they are really hard to game plan against. That will be particularly difficult for opponents with limited practice time.

They have the pieces to a good running attack. They rely heavily on TE's and FB, and really struggled when FB Develin went out. If they can replace Develin and get any production from their TE's, they will still be pretty good if their QB can limit TO's.
Looking at their schedule  
DieHard : 6/26/2020 3:04 pm : link
They have a handful of tough games:

Chiefs
Seahawks
49ers
Bills

Maybe you can throw the Rams and Texans in there too, but both teams have some major question marks.

If they can split with the Bills and take care of business against the rest of the schedule, I'd say 10-6 looks about right.
RE: Every time BB has had to play without Brady, they have succeeded.  
barens : 6/26/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14924972 Ivan15 said:
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They will survive. 10-6


Depends on how you look at it. They went from 16-0, to 10-6. I think they miss the playoffs, go 6-10 or 7-9.
10 wins or better  
arniefez : 6/26/2020 3:54 pm : link
is my guess.
RE: just a reminder  
djm : 6/26/2020 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14925119 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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2007 Pats: 36.8 PPG
2008 Pats: 25.6 PPG (-11.2 PPG)

2010 Colts: 27.2 PPG
2011 Colts: 15.2 PPG (-12.0 PPG)

The 2007 Pats were the best team in Brady's run and the 2010 Colts were the worst team in Peyton's run. Brady's team went from historically dominant to good, Peyton's team went from good to terrible. Yet people make it seem like losing Brady had no effect on the Pats while losing Peyton made the Colts fall apart.

Belichick is amazing, but some of you give him way too much credit and Brady not enough. Belichick has been able to be more creative and invest more on defense because of Brady's greatness carrying mediocre offensive talent for most of his career. The relationship between the two was reciprocal, yet very few seem to want to give Brady any credit for Belichick's success.

2019 Brady isn't the same as 2007 Brady, but he's still better than his basic numbers would suggest. The Pats offense is going to struggle.


Yea, right, and he’s still the best HC of all time and it’s not close. Brady is great too. You can respect both.

It’s also a different kind of “drop” going from a perfectly historically amazing offensive team to a merely good one (pats 07-08) and going from a great offensive team to a terrible one (colts)

It’s also fair to speculate that the 08 pats regress even if Brady plays that year. They really had nowhere to go but down. Brady is amazing but if we’re building teams from scratch and I need to choose a rookie qb, I’ll take Peyton every time. Peyton was NFL ready made. Brady was cultivated.
Friendly fun reminder  
djm : 6/26/2020 7:44 pm : link
The NY Giants basically beat the 85 bears in the super bowl. Except the team we beat was undefeated and possessed arguably the greatest qb hc combo all time. Apples and oranges comparing the two teams, but you get the point. And it was a Boston team. Never gets old. Best moment in human history.
Vegas says 9 wins over/under  
Stan in LA : 6/26/2020 7:50 pm : link
So a less than stellar(for them) season.
i think they take a big step back this year  
GiantsFan84 : 6/26/2020 8:18 pm : link
i know BB is a genius and i know the defense is still excellent.

but this team has no skill position players on offense. i think it's going to be very hard for them to score points this year. i see anywhere from 6-8 wins.

but i think they will be very competitive and in most games because of their defense.
Like Eric said  
djm : 6/26/2020 8:45 pm : link
It will be fascinating to watch. I wouldn’t feel comfortable betting big on the pats over 9 wins but I’d be even more nervous betting under 9.
Better  
OC2.0 : 6/28/2020 10:13 pm : link
Update that
They will be better then the TB Bucs  
montanagiant : 6/28/2020 10:38 pm : link
I'm a firm believer that Brady is going to crash and burn down there while the Pats will be competitive
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