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14 more Clemson Football Players Test Positive

BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/26/2020 6:29 pm
At least they are getting over it early? They are now at 37 positive football players. Rosters are usually around 100 players in College.
Are any of them sick?  
Gmen1982 : 6/26/2020 6:33 pm : link
Just wondering.
...  
HitSquad : 6/26/2020 6:39 pm : link
Gettleman probably told Dabo Swinney that the keys to regaining the National Championship are:

1.) Running the ball
2.) Stopping the run
3.) Rushing the passer
4.) Herd immunity
Not surprising  
charlito : 6/26/2020 6:48 pm : link
1273 new cases today. SC is part of the hot spots.
There's no way sports are coming back soon  
adamg : 6/26/2020 6:48 pm : link
It's irresponsible.
If I’m Trevor Lawrence  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/26/2020 6:59 pm : link
I’m sitting the year out. No reason to risk permanent lung damage by playing a year of college football where your stock could only drop.
What  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 7:10 pm : link
if 20 percent of the population, including BBI readers, already has the virus and they don't even know it?

Is this a function of people being sick or simply being tested?

In other words, are these 14 Clemson players sick?
They are obviously not all sick  
ZogZerg : 6/26/2020 7:26 pm : link
They are testing all of them.
I'm sure people here have/had it and didn't know.
I'm convinced my wife had it in February.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/26/2020 7:34 pm : link
She had all the symptoms: fever, fatigue, & dry cough. Amazingly neither my daughter or I got it, or if we did, we were asymptomatic.

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kicker : 6/26/2020 7:40 pm : link
20-percent of the population having COVID would be on the kooky end of the spectrum for projected to known infection rates.

And it's HIGHLY unlikely that this can be explained away by "testing". A number of reasons for this, but though the percent of tests positive have been increasing with the number of tests, it is over a relatively short time period, and well below the average positive rate from earlier on.
aside from sports, the situation in Houston  
Del Shofner : 6/26/2020 7:44 pm : link
is not as bad as NYC was at the peak (or trough), but it's on a pretty vertical rise and they are nearing capacity at the hospitals.

And actually  
kicker : 6/26/2020 7:46 pm : link
last week had a recent "low point" in coronavirus testing. But the percentage decline in testing was not identical to the percentage decline in positive tests. If you look at it, that means that only a fraction of COVID cases can be explained by "better testing", as has been championed recently...
I believe I saw Houston is at 97%  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/26/2020 7:48 pm : link
hospital capacity. That's scary high.
COVID-19 infection rate may be 80X greater than originally reported  
Stan in LA : 6/26/2020 7:55 pm : link
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June 22, 2020

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. - Many epidemiologists believe that the initial COVID-19 infection rate was undercounted due to testing issues, asymptomatic and alternatively symptomatic individuals, and a failure to identify early cases.

Now, a new study from Penn State estimates that the number of early COVID-19 cases in the U.S. may have been more than 80 times greater and doubled nearly twice as fast as originally believed.

Link - ( New Window )
RE: I believe I saw Houston is at 97%  
PatersonPlank : 6/26/2020 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14925334 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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hospital capacity. That's scary high.


Actually they are at 70%, and the state of TX is at about 35% or so
Paterson.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/26/2020 8:10 pm : link
My mistake. The Mayor of Houston said the area's ICU are at 97% capacity.
I wonder what it will take before football is shut down  
JohnB : 6/26/2020 8:54 pm : link
A football player's death from the virus gotten on the field?
A whole team infected?
A star in the hospital?

At what point do the powers that be call a halt to the whole season? What event must happen? And it can be pro or college.

What will it take?

There won’t be a college football season.  
Crispino : 6/26/2020 9:15 pm : link
Nor any other major sport, IMO. Not that they won’t try. I just think the
point will come when each one is shut down. We’re nowhere near the end of this.
RE: I wonder what it will take before football is shut down  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14925376 JohnB said:
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A football player's death from the virus gotten on the field?
A whole team infected?
A star in the hospital?

At what point do the powers that be call a halt to the whole season? What event must happen? And it can be pro or college.

What will it take?


Again, how do you justify opening schools and not the NFL? Are children, teachers, and administrators less valuable? Won't they carry the virus home with them (if they haven't already)?

You should have seen beach traffic going down I95 today in Virginia. I've never seen it so congested.
RE: COVID-19 infection rate may be 80X greater than originally reported  
myquealer : 6/26/2020 9:29 pm : link
Stan, that's saying the early numbers may have been 80x greater, not that the current rate is 80x higher. If that were the case we'd be at herd immunity levels and see a significant slowing in new infections.

The increase in testing and all these new cases are for active infections, not for people who are over it and have antibodies. It is spiralling out of control in many places across the US and it's not going to get better as long as the science has been politicized.
Eric is spot on  
Tim in VA : 6/26/2020 9:31 pm : link
Testing is ramping up. Deaths continue a steady decline. It's not a hot spot, it's a change in testing. The good news about the increase in testing is we are learning the death rate is lower and lower than we thought.
RE: RE: I wonder what it will take before football is shut down  
myquealer : 6/26/2020 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14925384 Eric from BBI said:
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Again, how do you justify opening schools and not the NFL? Are children, teachers, and administrators less valuable? Won't they carry the virus home with them (if they haven't already)?

You should have seen beach traffic going down I95 today in Virginia. I've never seen it so congested.


Did he say schools should be reopened? I suspect many places will do a hybrid model with schools where half the students go one day while the other half do remote-learning, then they switch places the next day. Along with mask requirements and frequent testing for teachers. To me, that is a best case scenario. There will be places with too much community spread for that to be an option and it will be all remote-learning again.
I'm sure I-95 was packed in VA...  
BillKo : 6/26/2020 9:47 pm : link
.....this is why are seeing spikes in various parts of the country.

And I believe the data is clearly showing it's not entirely on testing that the reason we are seeing these spikes.
myquealer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 9:57 pm : link
Sure, but that's not going to stop the spread of the virus. Thee little games they are playing like that are a fool's errand.

People are congregating in grocery stores, restaurants, gyms, schools, subways, airports, work, etc.

As more people get exposed and get tested, rates will "spike".

I voted on this week. They had this stupid system where they had me put my driver's license in a baggie and hand it to the person at the polls. Then the poll worker handed me a pen and folder with my ballot. But it doesn't dawn on anyone that I touched the baggie and the poll workers touched the pens and folders?

We're simply playing games at this point to make people FEEL like they are protecting themselves.
The increase in Covid positive tests isn’t due to increased testing  
yatqb : 6/26/2020 10:04 pm : link
as much as it is due to increased spreads of the disease. I recently saw a chart comparing the increase in number of tests done in the Major Covid hotspot states with the number of new confirmed cases. In each state, the number of new cases was vastly larger than the percent increase in tests done. Indeed, in a few states, testing had decreased while new cases had skyrocketed.

Sorry I can’t find the chart right now, but I’m reporting it accurately.
yat  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 10:10 pm : link
It may or may not be due to increased testing. It's probably both.

I've been stunned since the beginning of this that people seem to think they can insulate themselves from this. They can't.

If my family hasn't had the virus already, it will. My kids will bring it home from school. Or my wife and I will bring it home from the gym or a store or a doctor's office. The various repairmen who have come into my home. Or my neighbors at the pool.

Best thing we can do is wash our hands, but it's a virus. It will spread.

The good news? The mortality rate is going down. Why? I don't know but it is.
It will be interesting to see what % of population...  
BillKo : 6/26/2020 10:12 pm : link
...gets it.I suspect a large % given we are re-opening and I can't see another shutdown happening (although TX and FL are pulling back a bit).

But in the meantime, wear a mask and consider not filling stadiums/arenas with people.
RE: myquealer  
eric2425ny : 6/26/2020 10:13 pm : link
In comment 14925395 Eric from BBI said:
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Sure, but that's not going to stop the spread of the virus. Thee little games they are playing like that are a fool's errand.

People are congregating in grocery stores, restaurants, gyms, schools, subways, airports, work, etc.

As more people get exposed and get tested, rates will "spike".

I voted on this week. They had this stupid system where they had me put my driver's license in a baggie and hand it to the person at the polls. Then the poll worker handed me a pen and folder with my ballot. But it doesn't dawn on anyone that I touched the baggie and the poll workers touched the pens and folders?

We're simply playing games at this point to make people FEEL like they are protecting themselves.


Totally agree, this virus is going to linger and most people are going to get exposed. In my opinion the initial shutdown was to give us time to see how the virus works and get our PPE supplies stocked up in hospitals. We are either going to get it or we aren’t. It is what it is.
Imagine  
GeoMan999 : 6/26/2020 10:16 pm : link
If everyone was mandated to wear a mask as a public health initiative. That would reduce the number of cases and deaths significantly.
RE: RE: I wonder what it will take before football is shut down  
JohnB : 6/26/2020 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14925384 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14925376 JohnB said:


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A football player's death from the virus gotten on the field?
A whole team infected?
A star in the hospital?

At what point do the powers that be call a halt to the whole season? What event must happen? And it can be pro or college.

What will it take?




Again, how do you justify opening schools and not the NFL? Are children, teachers, and administrators less valuable? Won't they carry the virus home with them (if they haven't already)?

You should have seen beach traffic going down I95 today in Virginia. I've never seen it so congested.


I'm not debating anything with anyone. I am just asking a question and wondering where people think the "shutdown line" is.

Do they (the NCAA and NFL) play until a major star like Brady or Mahomes gets it? Or dies from it? Or will it take the death of a minor or practice squad player to end it? Or maybe they ignore everything and play through regardless of who lives and who dies? Do they end the season if most of a team is sidelined? I don't know!!

I am asking a question and looking for an answer that is part medical, part business and part PR answer but I don't know what that answer is.
JohnB  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 10:31 pm : link
Tom Brady's life is not more important than the the lives of my children.

And they are going back to school. So are the teachers and administrators.

People will die. It's a killer virus.

But again, the "good" news is that the mortality rate is dropping. And the younger you are, the less likely it is to be an issue. (But young people will transmit the disease).

Everyone on football teams will be exposed to this. You will be exposed to this. I will or have already been exposed to this. I got into a serious argument with my neighbor almost three months ago when I told her there was no way she was going to prevent this from reaching her. She was furious with me for making such a claim. Mind you, she has three teenage children and a husband who works at the Pentagon.
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christian : 6/26/2020 10:43 pm : link
If someone or some group of people are knowingly infected, it’s pretty reasonable they‘ll be quarantined. If 30+ players on a team test positive, they’re on the shelf for two weeks. Even if no one is sick. There’s almost no way a sports season happens.

RE: JohnB  
BillKo : 6/26/2020 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14925411 Eric from BBI said:
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I got into a serious argument with my neighbor almost three months ago when I told her there was no way she was going to prevent this from reaching her.


And with that, reaching you. So I assume you wear a mask when you can? And wash your hands more often, and have sanitizer available to you (like in your car, or in your home when you walk in the door)?

I know I do. While I agree a lot more people are going to get it - for various reasons/actions - I still try to be smart about it.
RE: ...  
BillKo : 6/26/2020 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14925416 christian said:
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If someone or some group of people are knowingly infected, it’s pretty reasonable they‘ll be quarantined. If 30+ players on a team test positive, they’re on the shelf for two weeks. Even if no one is sick. There’s almost no way a sports season happens.


Injuries are part of the game, but you could see entire units being wiped out for lengthy periods.

It's one thing to have to sign a couple corners, another thing to replace an entire secondary on the fly..........
Eric - So are you saying that you don't believe there is anything that  
JohnB : 6/26/2020 10:49 pm : link
could happen in the NFL, on the field or off, that would make Roger Goodell pull the plug on the season? Nothing?

I believe that there is a line somewhere but I just don't know where it is. I was hoping to generate some discussion where that line may be.
I’m having a really hard time understanding...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/26/2020 10:51 pm : link
... how anybody gym is open.
It’s a petri dish of moisture.

I agree that the baggies and the gloves are not effective because you would have to change them every time you touch something.
That said if you are in the grocery store and you’re not wearing a mask you’re an asshole.
RE: Eric - So are you saying that you don't believe there is anything that  
BillKo : 6/26/2020 10:51 pm : link
In comment 14925423 JohnB said:
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could happen in the NFL, on the field or off, that would make Roger Goodell pull the plug on the season? Nothing?

I believe that there is a line somewhere but I just don't know where it is. I was hoping to generate some discussion where that line may be.


It's all about the money.

But if you have man games lost that are significantly higher than usual, playing in near empty stadiums, and seeing the quality of play really go down.......to me, that's not NFL football.

I have little doubt the NFL would follow thru given those examples.........
RE: I’m having a really hard time understanding...  
BillKo : 6/26/2020 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14925424 Brown_Hornet said:
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That said if you are in the grocery store and you’re not wearing a mask you’re an asshole.


And I agree, because you are basically saying a big FU to me........
RE: Eric - So are you saying that you don't believe there is anything that  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14925423 JohnB said:
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could happen in the NFL, on the field or off, that would make Roger Goodell pull the plug on the season? Nothing?

I believe that there is a line somewhere but I just don't know where it is. I was hoping to generate some discussion where that line may be.


Oh sure, they can cancel the season. For a variety of reasons, some beyond public safety. I have no idea what they will do.

But the kids are going back to school. Blue collar workers are back on the job because they have to eat.
BillKo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 11:05 pm : link
I wash my hands every time I return home.

I rarely wear a mask except when it is mandated (grocery store, doctor's office). No one in my gym wears masks (it wouldn't help in a gym anyway...they are petri dishes).

But again, everything keeps changing.

A month ago, none of the grocery stores required me to wear a mask. Now they do.

My wife takes my daughter to the eye doctor. The assistant tells them they can take their masks off until the doctor shows up.

People who wear masks often have them pulled off their noses. And they are usually homemade masks that I doubt do much of anything (honestly, many of them look filthy to me).

RE: BillKo  
BillKo : 6/26/2020 11:13 pm : link
In comment 14925432 Eric from BBI said:
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People who wear masks often have them pulled off their noses. And they are usually homemade masks that I doubt do much of anything (honestly, many of them look filthy to me).


Well it does take two to tango.........but we do know that at least wearing a mask over your mouth helps the potential spread to me (sneezing nonwithstanding lol).

I just think you have to make prudent decisions. And for the life of me, I see things in public and on TV that are not prudent. Hence.....spiking.
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christian : 6/26/2020 11:17 pm : link
Eric, but if you were to get infected and you were aware, would you change your approach?
RE: ...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14925434 christian said:
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Eric, but if you were to get infected and you were aware, would you change your approach?


Well that would depend if I died or not. ;)

My attitude towards this is more fatalistic. I think there are some common sense things we can do (wash hands), but my guess is my entire family has already been exposed. And if we haven't, we will soon be exposed. It's a virus. There is only so much you can do.

I also think the original panic over this was the fear of the medical infrastructure being overwhelmed. I personally think the key stat is not the number of infections, but the mortality rate (first) and hospital vacancy (second).

RE: BillKo  
BillKo : 6/26/2020 11:26 pm : link
In comment 14925432 Eric from BBI said:
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No one in my gym wears masks (it wouldn't help in a gym anyway...they are petri dishes).


But I am curious why you would attend your gym - esp when you agree it's petri dish? I can see not wearing a mask while working out - that would seem like torture.

But do you feel entirely safe going to your gym? Perhaps the area of VA you live in has low case numbers?

My gym - LA Fitness - suspended being open back in March here in NJ. I would anticipate it opening back up in the next month and I won't be going. I'll suspend my account for as long as I can (a user option) until I feel things are in a better state.

Eric  
myquealer : 6/26/2020 11:32 pm : link
Why are you so sure kids are going back to school? Even if that's currently the plan where you are, plans change, and can change quickly.

Here in Oregon they have yet to decide about school in the fall. I don't think it will be back to normal.

I think hand washing and face touching was probably over-emphasized in the beginning and mask-wearing was woefully under-emphasized. It starts as a respiratory disease, we are mostly getting it through the air. We'd be in much better shape if everyone wore masks in shared spaces. Even crappy masks limit to a degree how many aerosolized particles are going into the air vs stopping or slowing in the mask.

Universal mask use and getting fresh air moving through shared indoor spaces will go a long way to save a lot of lives. Masks are a miniscule price to pay to save lives.
BillKo  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 11:34 pm : link
See above. As I said, I've already been either exposed or will be exposed. I think this has been here since late last year. I think far more people are infected than anyone realizes. When school starts up, the kids who already have it will spread it to the other kids, who will then bring it home.

I can't tell you how many people I know who tell me that they got really sick early this year before COVID was a thing. Right or wrong, most of these people think they already had it.

So when I see a story that 14 Clemson players tested positive, it doesn't surprise me. I think if we tested everyone on this thread right now, many would be shocked at the results.
Personally my feeling is everyone will get this - until we get  
PatersonPlank : 6/26/2020 11:35 pm : link
a vaccine. Its juts a matter of time. So the choice is never leave home, or to get on with life. Based on the .01% chance a person under 65 has of dying, I chose to move on. Sure I follow protocols, but I am no longer going to be a recluse. Let's protect the elderly for sure.

However the number of cases the media promotes don't phase me. More testing = more positives, more interactions = more positives. I bet a lot more have this that ever known. What is important is the hospitalizations and deaths not the number of cases. If 50 20 year olds get this they may not even know it. To them its no different than the flu. In the end I bet the mortality rate is .5%
myquealer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 11:38 pm : link
They announced this week they are going back to school. It could change. My guess is they will go back, some kids will test positive, everyone will freak out, and they'll close schools again. Rinse, repeat. If they make it as far as flu season, I'd be shocked.

In the meantime, my daughter is going to sleepovers. My son is going to work at his TKD studio and hanging out with his girlfriend and buddies. Kids are not going to hide in their homes (and even if they did, mom and dad would bring the virus home).
I will..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 6/26/2020 11:39 pm : link
be more concerned about planning for the Winter. We seem to be focused on keeping schools compliant to COVID precautions than having a cohesive plan for the elderly and at risk.

Just today, Clemson provided guidelines for school. Masks are going to be mandatory for all campus events with more than 2 people. A COVID test taken within 48 hours of arrival on campus must be provided to the school.

Meanwhile, I've seen little to no planning for nursing homes and how to keep the elderly safe.
besides  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/26/2020 11:45 pm : link
the obvious (deaths), the real tragedy about all of this is how it affecting society. I can't imagine what this is doing to the dating scene right now. We were already a society that was unfortunately becoming increasing comfortable not dealing with others on a face-to-face basis. It's why social media has turned into a cesspool.

Kids missed their senior years, their proms, their graduations. This virtual learning is BS. It's not the same. Not even close.

When folks go on walks now, they steer a wide berth around others. People are afraid to touch others. The long-term psychological scars this will have on society are going to be immense.
The scary thing is...  
Milton : 6/26/2020 11:59 pm : link
They are still unsure of what level immunity is achieved by those who test positive. They are learning more and more about the virus, but there's a lot to learn. There is recent evidence that it has mutated into a milder form than the one that made its way to Italy and NYC. The science is confusing to me. It's as if anything is possible. It could return with a vengeance next year or it could come back as the sniffles.
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christian : 6/27/2020 12:02 am : link
Clearly many more people have been infected than have tested positive. If the estimate CDC has is anywhere close, 25M people are likely to have been infected based on community sampling. That’s less than 10% of Americans.

There are 50M Americans over 65, so there are plenty of at risk Americans who haven’t been infected, and if they do are at serious risk.

Seems like it’s pretty common sense to do some of the simple things to slow the spread of the virus, while the treatments and vaccines are developed. Wearing a mask and quarantining if testing positive doesn’t seem that onerous.

I suspect that’s why sports won’t come back this year.



Seems more on the anecdotal side, but perhaps encouraging...  
Milton : 6/27/2020 12:09 am : link
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"In March and early April, the patterns were completely different. People were coming to the emergency department with a very difficult-to-manage illness, and they needed oxygen and ventilation; some developed pneumonia. Now, in the past four weeks, the picture has completely changed in terms of patterns. There could be a lower viral load in the respiratory tract, probably due to a genetic mutation in the virus which has not yet been demonstrated scientifically."

Link from Jerusalem Post - ( New Window )
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christian : 6/27/2020 12:20 am : link
Regardless of how individuals or leaders feel, we’re seeing things getting more serious down here in Texas. The hospitalization rate from lab verified Covid cases has doubled in the last 10 days, and some of the metro areas are approaching capacity. The state is contemplating opening auxiliary facilities at convention centers.

The state leadership, which has been very bullish on opening, is tracking back. There’s no way sports will be played in Texas right now.

And the very pro-opening leadership here flat out attributes the rise serious cases, to the overall rise in cases, and that rise to people not be able to follow simple guidelines.
It's highly unlikely that  
kicker : 6/27/2020 1:25 am : link
any "normal" football season occurs. Yeah, the flagship institutions might make a go at it.

What happens when Dingleberry State University has a player who has serious complications, or dies, from a student playing an amateur sport...

I mean, you still have the fucking morons who refuse to wear the masks. And, unfortunately, we can't even rely on Social Darwinism offing their genetic lines...
So much for flattening the curve  
widmerseyebrow : 6/27/2020 2:02 am : link
Now I'm hearing "Well you're going to get it at some point so why delay?"

The CDC saying you shouldn't wear a mask at the beginning of this thing to prevent a run on them was a huge fuck up imo. People are literally quoting that months old advisory as a plea to not cover their faces. People literally getting into physical confrontations with grocery store staff on the way to the Doritos aisle. If it was the 40s we'd be shaming them as slackers but today they're champions of "freedom."
Shutting down the Earth before an election is suspicious.  
DannyBoy : 6/27/2020 4:30 am : link
I look at my cell contact list, no deaths. I ask my many friends the same, no deaths, but a few positive cases, mostly asyptomatic.

The suicide rate is going to pass the CV1984 rate if this keeps up.
So, is this about the election or the virus?

Riots, protesting and lotting is basically sanctioned by a whole lot of Democrat Governors. But, opening your business, getting your hair cut, etc. was pushed back for ever.

This is political if you haven't noticed yet.
Life involves risks, if you want to live it home and not work, then do so.
If you don't, then don't.
Only so much  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/27/2020 6:52 am : link
you can do. We already did the mandated stay at home and look at the economic damage and other issues that came up.

It is clear that the elderly and those with existing issues are most susceptible by a far margin.

The issue is not whether people go to school, play football, hit the gym, etc. for healthy people. The issue is how well they those people stay away from those most impacted. That will lead to either a lower or higher death rate imo.

We have hundreds of thousands of health providers taking care of elderly and sick people at their home. Are we testing those workers before going on shift?



RE: There's no way sports are coming back soon  
nzyme : 6/27/2020 7:04 am : link
In comment 14925303 adamg said:
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It's irresponsible.


Actually for something that's 2x LESS deadly than the flu I think it's the opposite considering the damage it's going to do to the country and economy. You like your house or apartment? Do you going to the grocery store to buy your food? Say goodbye to all that during an economic collapse.
RE: Shutting down the Earth before an election is suspicious.  
JohnB : 6/27/2020 7:17 am : link
In comment 14925473 DannyBoy said:
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I look at my cell contact list, no deaths. I ask my many friends the same, no deaths, but a few positive cases, mostly asyptomatic.

The suicide rate is going to pass the CV1984 rate if this keeps up.
So, is this about the election or the virus?

Riots, protesting and lotting is basically sanctioned by a whole lot of Democrat Governors. But, opening your business, getting your hair cut, etc. was pushed back for ever.

This is political if you haven't noticed yet.
Life involves risks, if you want to live it home and not work, then do so.
If you don't, then don't.


And if you take those risks (which is your right) and you end up on the short end of the stick and have COVID and need serious care, do you expect the medical professionals to risk themselves to treat (save) you?

I don't mind if people gamble with their lives but when they gamble and come up on the short end, they will soon display a high degree of hypocrisy and demand that the medical community save them.
DannyBoy  
XBRONX : 6/27/2020 7:23 am : link
Your red hat is on way too tight.Some hospitals in Florida are at capacity. By the way you are banned from Europe.
2x less deadly than the flu?  
ron mexico : 6/27/2020 7:25 am : link
We still have over 600 people dying each day in this country from Covid. And it’s about to be July. 125k and counting and people are still comparatively it to the flu.

RE: RE: Shutting down the Earth before an election is suspicious.  
joeinpa : 6/27/2020 7:36 am : link
In comment 14925483 JohnB said:
Quote:
In comment 14925473 DannyBoy said:


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I look at my cell contact list, no deaths. I ask my many friends the same, no deaths, but a few positive cases, mostly asyptomatic.

The suicide rate is going to pass the CV1984 rate if this keeps up.
So, is this about the election or the virus?

Riots, protesting and lotting is basically sanctioned by a whole lot of Democrat Governors. But, opening your business, getting your hair cut, etc. was pushed back for ever.

This is political if you haven't noticed yet.
Life involves risks, if you want to live it home and not work, then do so.
If you don't, then don't.



And if you take those risks (which is your right) and you end up on the short end of the stick and have COVID and need serious care, do you expect the medical professionals to risk themselves to treat (save) you?

I don't mind if people gamble with their lives but when they gamble and come up on the short end, they will soon display a high degree of hypocrisy and demand that the medical community save them.


John. What course of action to you suggest? I agree it s ridiculous to deny the virus is not a significant risk. It s also ridiculous to not acknowledge the mitigation for dealing with the virus has done great harm, financially, physically, emotionally, to many.

It seems prudent to respect the virus and take precautions. But on the other hand this has been politicized to the point many do not know what the truth is.

Even now, with the increase in parts of the country we have questions as to the cause, the death rate, the potency of the virus.

For those who believe it s irresponsible or selfish to move forward, making personal choices as to how we should deal with this. What s the answer, how long do we continue to disrupt our lives?

What s the plan? Wait for a vaccine? What if we never get one?

Maybe some are willing to live the way we are for the next year, decade, the rest of their lives, for as long as the virus exists.

Most are not, again, what s the plan, how long do we ignore a basic human need, a need for socialization.

Does the present death count warrant shutting down a country in your opinion? What s your take on that?
RE: RE: I wonder what it will take before football is shut down  
Gmen1982 : 6/27/2020 8:00 am : link
In comment 14925384 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14925376 JohnB said:


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A football player's death from the virus gotten on the field?
A whole team infected?
A star in the hospital?

At what point do the powers that be call a halt to the whole season? What event must happen? And it can be pro or college.

What will it take?




Again, how do you justify opening schools and not the NFL? Are children, teachers, and administrators less valuable? Won't they carry the virus home with them (if they haven't already)?

You should have seen beach traffic going down I95 today in Virginia. I've never seen it so congested.


I’m a teacher in Nee Jersey. Not only do I need my kids in school to work but millions of other Americans do. I know there are risks but flu season brings those risks as well.
RE: RE: RE: Shutting down the Earth before an election is suspicious.  
JohnB : 6/27/2020 8:10 am : link
Joe, you are right when you say it has become politicized. Too much, I think. For my own personal point of view, I listen to only the medical community, doctors, nurses and EMT etc. They have given their whole lives to saving people. Our elected leaders (on both sides) have their own plans which may or may not put a high value on our health. Why should we listen to them? Listen to doctors or ask your doctor and follow that advise.

Moving forward in a responsible manner is pretty subjective but I am pointing out those who are blatantly irresponsible and/or selfish.

How hard is it to wear a mask (for most of us)?
How hard is it to understand that everyone wearing a mask cuts down on transmission?
How hard is it to understand that sports like soccer, rugby and sadly football are a great method of transferring this virus?
How hard is it to look at the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 dashboard and see that the death rate in the US is 5% of all cases.

Joe, as I write this, your words ring true, this has gotten too politicized. Let's shut down our elected leaders and listen to our doctors. But then again, our elected leaders love to talk and be seen. We'll shut down COVID before we can shut down elected leaders.... lol.
RE: RE: RE: I wonder what it will take before football is shut down  
JohnB : 6/27/2020 8:13 am : link
In comment 14925490 Gmen1982 said:
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In comment 14925384 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 14925376 JohnB said:


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A football player's death from the virus gotten on the field?
A whole team infected?
A star in the hospital?

At what point do the powers that be call a halt to the whole season? What event must happen? And it can be pro or college.

What will it take?




Again, how do you justify opening schools and not the NFL? Are children, teachers, and administrators less valuable? Won't they carry the virus home with them (if they haven't already)?

You should have seen beach traffic going down I95 today in Virginia. I've never seen it so congested.



I’m a teacher in Nee Jersey. Not only do I need my kids in school to work but millions of other Americans do. I know there are risks but flu season brings those risks as well.


I am truly glad to hear that students are returning to the classroom! My girlfriend is a teacher in Florida and the kids there will mostly "stay at home" learning with little coming into the physical school. Sad.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Shutting down the Earth before an election is suspicious.  
joeinpa : 6/27/2020 8:30 am : link
In comment 14925491 JohnB said:
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Joe, you are right when you say it has become politicized. Too much, I think. For my own personal point of view, I listen to only the medical community, doctors, nurses and EMT etc. They have given their whole lives to saving people. Our elected leaders (on both sides) have their own plans which may or may not put a high value on our health. Why should we listen to them? Listen to doctors or ask your doctor and follow that advise.

Moving forward in a responsible manner is pretty subjective but I am pointing out those who are blatantly irresponsible and/or selfish.

How hard is it to wear a mask (for most of us)?
How hard is it to understand that everyone wearing a mask cuts down on transmission?
How hard is it to understand that sports like soccer, rugby and sadly football are a great method of transferring this virus?
How hard is it to look at the Johns Hopkins COVID-19 dashboard and see that the death rate in the US is 5% of all cases.

Joe, as I write this, your words ring true, this has gotten too politicized. Let's shut down our elected leaders and listen to our doctors. But then again, our elected leaders love to talk and be seen. We'll shut down COVID before we can shut down elected leaders.... lol.


Appreciate intelligent dialogue. I have discovered that is not normally the case even among friends in regard to the virus and social unrest.

Even though this sounds like a canned response for someone who is about to say something racist; “ I have many black friends”

I have found I can discuss what s happening right now, ask questions, which I am wont to do before ever settling on a position, and have great back and forth

I have several liberal White friends. The other day I asked this question, “ Why can’t a person support the cause behind these protests, but also be opposed to the idea of defunding the police.

They began to shout me down, all but suggesting maybe I m a racists. As you would expect that infuriated me, I immediately changed the subject before I was about to respond in a way that’ would have damaged that friendship beyond repair. As it is we haven’t spoken since.

We have become so polarized there is no middle ground. I either support their position 100% or I must have some nefarious reason for not doing so.

My response to your post was sincere and not meant as an attack. But I really expected it to be received in such a manner.

I appreciated that it was not👍
JohnB  
XBRONX : 6/27/2020 8:47 am : link
We should listen to the medical experts. You are right,it is too political. By the way who are the idiots refusing to wear masks?
RE: RE: Shutting down the Earth before an election is suspicious.  
DannyBoy : 6/27/2020 8:49 am : link
In comment 14925483 JohnB said:
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I look at my cell contact list, no deaths. I ask my many friends the same, no deaths, but a few positive cases, mostly asyptomatic.

The suicide rate is going to pass the CV1984 rate if this keeps up.
So, is this about the election or the virus?

Riots, protesting and lotting is basically sanctioned by a whole lot of Democrat Governors. But, opening your business, getting your hair cut, etc. was pushed back for ever.

This is political if you haven't noticed yet.
Life involves risks, if you want to live it home and not work, then do so.
If you don't, then don't.



And if you take those risks (which is your right) and you end up on the short end of the stick and have COVID and need serious care, do you expect the medical professionals to risk themselves to treat (save) you?

I don't mind if people gamble with their lives but when they gamble and come up on the short end, they will soon display a high degree of hypocrisy and demand that the medical community save them.


I am healthy and if I get sick and have insurance, yes, I expect to be taken care of.

If you are fat and eat unhealthy, do you expect to be taken care of?
What if you like drinking alcohol everyday?

This is life. You don't shut the world down to appease people in risk groups.
You don't lock up healthy people.
RE: DannyBoy  
DannyBoy : 6/27/2020 8:53 am : link
In comment 14925484 XBRONX said:
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Your red hat is on way too tight.Some hospitals in Florida are at capacity. By the way you are banned from Europe.


What does a red hat have to do with anything? Don't try to make health political.

So what if hospitals are at capacity? Do you know many hospitals openly operate their critical care departments at 90%? It is economics.

What about those that are empty? All the laid off and furloughed hospital workers?
What about those empty in NY? What about moving sick CV19 people into nursing homes in 5 states, resulting in another 20k deaths? No outrage there. No reporting on it, just covering for the Governors.

Like I said, don't work and stay at home. But don't tell the rest of us how to live our lives.
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christian : 6/27/2020 8:58 am : link
Would you categorize 1) wearing a face covering 2) quarantining yourself for two weeks if you tested positive — as you being told how to live your life?
Danny  
XBRONX : 6/27/2020 9:02 am : link
Your boy made Covid political.15 to zero.
Well this turned  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/27/2020 9:09 am : link
political overnight again.

Sorry folks, but we're going to lock this.
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