- Play 11 years (relatively healthy)
- Rush for over 11,000 yards
- Receive for about 3,800 yards
- Score about 90 TDs rushing and receiving
- Be named All-Pro twice and make the All-Decade Team
I don't know...I get a weird feeling that this level of production from him would still fall short of expectations both in the media and the fan-base. He's one of those guys where his talent says it's HOF or bust.
This is why I hate this question. I want him to be the best ever...he won't be.
This is very true. Barry Sanders is arguably the best RB of all time, but how many playoff games did he appear in? It’s great to have amazing players, but it’s still a team game.
Saquon needs to have blow it out stats and team needs to contend at very least. Like sanders and paytonanything less is not acceptable at his pick. it’s got to be better than mccoy or he eats way too much cap space and it’s not a good pick.
Even if the yardage is 12-1400 yards a year vs 16-1800, average per touch need to be high, first downs should be numerous along with tds. and pass catch yardage should be high.
Does that mean you'll be happy if he matches George Rogers' career?
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McCoy was a 2nd rd pick not #2 in the draft. Plus Barkley, IMO, has a lot more potential.
Does that mean you'll be happy if he matches George Rogers' career?
Not sure how you got there, no of course not. Barkley was a #2 pick for us and had a great first year. I expect great things, not George Rogers things. The OP didn't compare Barkley to Rogers and either did I
I’d say yes.
And a side question. If Barkley had the exact same numbers as McCoy, and those numbers don’t get McCoy into the Hall of Fame, would Barkley get into the Hall of Fame with those exact numbers plus the Super Bowl MVP?
Marshall Faulk, Barry Sanders, LaDanian Tomlinson. Those are the comparables.
Win the big game...I will be happy
I tend to focus on his performance coinciding with Daniel Jones rookie contract. If the Giants make deep runs over the next 3-4 years Barkley will most likely will have been a huge part of it. That is what I am looking for.
For all we know the Giants may go a different direction and he is not even here for his whole career.
As a side note, not all yards are made equal just hashing total number of yards doesnt tell the story.
The stats will be what they will be.
He’s fun to watch. He’s an amazingly gifted player. By all accounts he’s a good, humble guy. But none of that matters on Sundays when the giants are losing 10+ games year in year out.
I don’t want to stir up the hornets nest of that draft by any means. Saquaon is a special player. Who is on a team so bad that he had a game against the Jets where he had -1 rushing yard.
To me the far more important piece all of this is DJ. If he’s a legitimate elite qb, Barkley’s stats and winning will look much better.
That's pretty damn good. I think some people here are underrating McCoy. He had a great peak where he was arguably the 2nd best RB in the game besides Peterson, his longevity was very good, and you could tell from his running style that he was not a RB who was created by his O-Line.
Besides Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers, there aren't too many RBs in NFL history who were as shifty as McCoy in his prime. His cuts on a dime were absolutely filthy, he was probably the best "juke you out of your cleats in a phone booth" type RB since Sanders. That's why there were a lot of people actually comparing Barkley to McCoy when he was at PSU, because Barkley has that same type of style (plus 30 lbs).
McCoy's not a HOFer, but he's in the tier below that. Very successful career, especially since he got a ring in KC to round out his resume.
All that being said, I'd still be disappointed if Barkley ended up only as good as LeSean McCoy. In terms of prospect hype, Barkley was the RB version of Calvin Johnson and I was hoping for similar positional dominance when he was drafted. The flashes of brilliance we saw in his rookie year confirmed he had all-time potential. He clearly has the talent to be a Faulk/Tomlinson/Peterson type of legend, and that's why we took him at #2.
The safe play would be taking McCoy's career due to the guaranteed health/longevity. And while I'd be disappointed with that kind of career, he'd still be a very good RB. But the potential ceiling of Barkley is just too tantalizing and we've seen him do things on a field that defy gravity and physics, that's not even hyperbole I've literally never seen anyone who maintained balance mid-air when hurdling the way he does.
I'd roll the dice and hope Barkley becomes a true Legend of the sport instead of just "very good". Anything less than that would mean he didn't reach his potential, which would be disappointing not just for Giants fans but for the NFL as a whole.
There are exactly three running backs ahead of McCoy on the all time rushing yards lost who aren’t or won’t be in the Hall of Fame — Fred Taylor, Steven Jackson, and Corey Dillon. If Corey Dillon wasn’t a sleaze bag he’d be in as well.
The most common factor among the top 25 rushers of all time — all but one played 10 or more seasons. The only exception is Jim Brown, arguably the greatest running back of all time.
Expecting Barkley to play 10 NFL seasons is a statistical anomaly. He very likely will not, and that’s OK. Expecting him to be in the top 25 in rush yards, top 30 requires him having an abnormally long career.
So essentially the expectation is he be a) a sure fire Hall of Famer and B) he have an abnormally long career.
Okie dokie.
Looking at Shady’s career he has a few amazing years and some pretty quite years including his first and last two season. Overall he’s a terrific back and a great pick at 53 overall and a fantastic NFL career.
Took a look back at stats for Sanders and Sweetness, which are two backs that I think a lot of people expect Barks to measure up against. What jumped out at me was that both BS and WP played every game on the schedule. I that regard Barks is already a bit of a disappointment. Hey, guys get hurt in pro football but durability and availability go a long way toward Canton.
So no, he won’t be though of like Bush,
McCoy was pretty dominant for a while but I’d tKe Barkley’s rookie year over either of McCoys best 2 seasons. To answer the OP I’d be disappointed if Barkley duplicates McCoys career only because he’s already better then peak McCoy and it would mean he regressed or got hurt.
There are exactly three running backs ahead of McCoy on the all time rushing yards lost who aren’t or won’t be in the Hall of Fame — Fred Taylor, Steven Jackson, and Corey Dillon. If Corey Dillon wasn’t a sleaze bag he’d be in as well.
The most common factor among the top 25 rushers of all time — all but one played 10 or more seasons. The only exception is Jim Brown, arguably the greatest running back of all time.
Expecting Barkley to play 10 NFL seasons is a statistical anomaly. He very likely will not, and that’s OK. Expecting him to be in the top 25 in rush yards, top 30 requires him having an abnormally long career.
So essentially the expectation is he be a) a sure fire Hall of Famer and B) he have an abnormally long career.
Okie dokie.
Your post is absolutely correct. The odds are definitely against Barkley duplicating even McCoy's numbers - especially given the dumpster fire offensive line he runs behind.
This is why drafting a RB #2 overall is a mistake.
So no, he won’t be though of like Bush,
McCoy was pretty dominant for a while but I’d tKe Barkley’s rookie year over either of McCoys best 2 seasons. To answer the OP I’d be disappointed if Barkley duplicates McCoys career only because he’s already better then peak McCoy and it would mean he regressed or got hurt.
I think we should get comfortable with the fact that his rookie year may be his most productive stat wise. I definitely wouldn’t expect many years with significantly better stats.
He’s going to do his part, time for everyone else to up their games too.
14.5 GMs | 1181 RYDs | 384 RecYDs | 10 TDs
During that stretch he was a 5 time Pro Bowler and 2 time All Pro.
Barkley is very likely to get extended this offseason, and the contract will likely keep him under team control through his 8th NFL season.
If Barkley averages out with that type of production, that’s a great return on the investment for the 2nd pick.
That said, no I would not be satisfied with those numbers. IF he is healthy, I expect in excess of 14,000 rushing yards and 5000 receiving yards and over 100 TDs.
I'd settle for the Edgerrin James years in Indy
If he were to play 9 more seasons, and equal McCoy, his average season from this year through age 31 would need to be.
1298 RYDs | 427 RecYDs | 9TDs — he’d basically need to be at or near All Pro level for another 9 years.
14.5 GMs | 1181 RYDs | 384 RecYDs | 10 TDs
During that stretch he was a 5 time Pro Bowler and 2 time All Pro.
Barkley is very likely to get extended this offseason, and the contract will likely keep him under team control through his 8th NFL season.
If Barkley averages out with that type of production, that’s a great return on the investment for the 2nd pick.
Okay, but no, Not even close. You have to consider both the draft position and the state of the team at the time of the draft. This wasn’t a team that lost its all pro qb to a season ending injury and had the opportunity to draft a luxury position. It’s a team coming off a 3-13 season with a qb that was clearly done, and an offensive line that couldn’t block you or me. So what do they do, they draft a running back. To justify his draft position he needs to both put up Marshall Faulk numbers and generate some wins. McCoys numbers won’t cut it.
If you have any doubt, just listen to the front offices press conferences where they openly admit that they misread the state of the team in the 2018 offseason. The saving grace being that they may have lucked ass backward into an elite qb- maybe.
Doesn’t make it the right pick for the time, and doesn’t make it the best pick given the circumstances. That’s not what I’m saying at all. I didn’t like the pick.
Eight high quality years in the NFL bucks the statistical trends. Eight high quality years from a running back is an accomplishment.
Doesn’t make it the right pick for the time, and doesn’t make it the best pick given the circumstances. That’s not what I’m saying at all. I didn’t like the pick.
Eight high quality years in the NFL bucks the statistical trends. Eight high quality years from a running back is an accomplishment.
I get what you’re saying, and it’s a respectable argument. But with a franchise that isn’t used to picking that high and clearly screaming for a rebuild regardless of the position, you need a team changing impact. McCoys stats are really good, but given the position and the state of the franchise, it just needs to be impactful beyond that. If we’re talking about a Marshall Faulk or Barry Sanders type career, than amazing pick. McCoys careers, major disappointment.
I just think both sides of the draft evaluation have unreasonable expectations of Barkley. The numbers and comps people throw out make anything short of an unreasonably long and unreasonably productive career a failure.
He’s almost certainly not going to be the best running back ever.
I'd settle for the Edgerrin James years in Indy
It was a ridiculous comment made when he was drafted along with the “hand of god” one, and it certainly hasn’t gotten any less ridiculous at this point.
Barkley does some things on the field that you make you say wow for sure. But so did a lot of former and current top backs during their generations.
He’s a great player and I hope it continues to be that way for a long time. That’s about all there is to say on it.
Barkley must pass protect better though. Watching him whiff at times is scary.