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NFT: NHL Draft Lottery: Phase I

Anakim : 6/26/2020 7:47 pm
Begins in 10 minutes on the NHL Network

As Rangers fans, we want to see two placeholders win the Lottery and move up into the top-3.
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It's a weak draft for D  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2020 5:57 pm : link
and overall I don't think it's being called a deep draft. The first round has a good core 15 or so, and solid 1st round, but I'm not sure the 2nd/3rd etc are anything special.
There was a good article in the Athletic a month or so ago  
Phil in LA : 6/27/2020 5:59 pm : link
that showed you shouldn't draft D's in the first round.
I'm not keeping score  
ColHowPepper : 6/27/2020 6:08 pm : link
but reading a real student of the game's takes is refreshing.

On a different hockey topic, relating to the suits filed by two CHA, OHL and Canadian Juniors against the Associations, Leagues, etc., you probably saw The Athletic article in which a third player essentially affirmed the core substance of the allegations, in depth and dramatically.

https://theathletic.com/1889350/2020/06/25/dan-fritsche-says-he-was-also-abused-in-junior-hockey-will-join-daniel-carcillo-lawsuit/
generally I think the NHL has been well run under Bettman  
Torrag : 6/27/2020 6:28 pm : link
occasionally though things like this idiotic Draft methodology creep in, and I just shake my head.

RE: generally I think the NHL has been well run under Bettman  
FearTheHippo : 6/28/2020 11:07 am : link
In comment 14925646 Torrag said:
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occasionally though things like this idiotic Draft methodology creep in, and I just shake my head.


Is it just me, or is the solution to what everyone hates about the lottery really simple? Just limit how many times a decade a team can win each slot in the lottery. So if a team won the #1 pick last year, the best they could win the next year would be #2. There are plenty of complications of course, like draft picks teams have traded for, but the basic concept isn't too out there.

The only thing I dislike about the current system is that it has allowed Edmonton to win the top pick 4 times since 2010, which is nuts.
RE: RE: generally I think the NHL has been well run under Bettman  
Jay in Toronto : 6/28/2020 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14925772 FearTheHippo said:
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In comment 14925646 Torrag said:


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occasionally though things like this idiotic Draft methodology creep in, and I just shake my head.




Is it just me, or is the solution to what everyone hates about the lottery really simple? Just limit how many times a decade a team can win each slot in the lottery. So if a team won the #1 pick last year, the best they could win the next year would be #2. There are plenty of complications of course, like draft picks teams have traded for, but the basic concept isn't too out there.

The only thing I dislike about the current system is that it has allowed Edmonton to win the top pick 4 times since 2010, which is nuts.


I like your idea except for the fact that the whole point is to help awful teams (except tanking teams).

There should be some mechanism re awful teams that are awful because how poorly run they are (like Edmonton).

Rangers prospect  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2020 9:46 pm : link
Nils Lundqvist (a phenomenal prospect) decides to play another year in Sweden, promptly gets ripped by asshole fans.

social media sucks, and people suck.
Reasonable  
Phil in LA : 6/28/2020 9:55 pm : link
decision by the kid, who realizes there will be a backlog if TDA gets extended.
Sorry to hear Nils isn't coming over  
Torrag : 6/28/2020 9:59 pm : link
but in the current global situation you can understand it. He certainly shouldn't be harassed about it.
Sounds  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2020 10:14 am : link
like the decision on hub cities could be made public today.

Vegas still thought to be one. Not sure Edmonton is anymore.

Toronto maybe.
not to mention that Sweden, virtually alone  
ColHowPepper : 6/29/2020 11:20 am : link
among developed countries, adopted a policy on covid from the get go not to shelter in place or shut down the economy. Infections and hospitalizations are now trending strongly up, compared, e.g., to neighboring Norway, where the curve has flattened strongly. Anxiety is up there.

Moreover, when Swedes or citizens of EC generally look at USA, flights from which EC is considering banning (or has banned?), and US is perceived pretty much world wide as having badly mis-managed its response to covid, not hard to understand his position.
RE: Rangers prospect  
Jay in Toronto : 6/29/2020 11:28 am : link
In comment 14925950 pjcas18 said:
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Nils Lundqvist (a phenomenal prospect) decides to play another year in Sweden, promptly gets ripped by asshole fans.

social media sucks, and people suck.


Good decision re Covid. Only issue is if we trade TDA or Trouba
Jay,  
ColHowPepper : 6/29/2020 11:49 am : link
On trades, I'll posit that with uncertainty on state of play so high, not only this season but imo next as well, League GMs may not be looking at trades through conventional lens. I think level of conservatism is likely higher. That doesn't mean what you suggest can't or won't happen.
.  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2020 3:08 pm : link
The Breaks
@WatchTheBreaks
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32m
Today's Project 2020 cards - which ones are you getting?

Left - Right - Both! - neither?

Tony Gwynn by Gregory Siff + Cal Ripken by Matt Taylor

#Collect #TheHobby
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Matt Smith
@Snakebite350
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23m
A total of 15 players have tested positive for #COVID19 as of June 29th.

In addition, since June 8th, the #NHL is aware of 11 additional positive cases outside of the Phase 2 Protocol.

That’s 26 players total... and they’re still considering playing?
Thinking face


@HabsUnfiltered

RE: Jay,  
Jay in Toronto : 6/29/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14926174 ColHowPepper said:
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On trades, I'll posit that with uncertainty on state of play so high, not only this season but imo next as well, League GMs may not be looking at trades through conventional lens. I think level of conservatism is likely higher. That doesn't mean what you suggest can't or won't happen.


I agree -- the odds are really low. Even so, I wish there was some kind of 'buyout' clause. As it stands now, he can join after their playoffs, though if he plays for Sweden (likely) we may not see him till G+Fall 2021.
What???  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2020 6:39 pm : link
this can't be real.

Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
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Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.
RE: Rangers prospect  
Percy : 6/29/2020 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14925950 pjcas18 said:
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Nils Lundqvist (a phenomenal prospect) decides to play another year in Sweden, promptly gets ripped by asshole fans.

social media sucks, and people suck.


!

.  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 10:01 am : link
Edmonton and Toronto  
Jay in Toronto : 6/30/2020 10:49 am : link
wouldn't the Canadian Government have to lift all kinds cross-border entry restrictions?
RE: Edmonton and Toronto  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 10:53 am : link
In comment 14926671 Jay in Toronto said:
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wouldn't the Canadian Government have to lift all kinds cross-border entry restrictions?


Both countries. Right now there is a mutual closure, so as of now yes, in a few weeks who knows, but regardless i read that NHL teams and their personnel would be considered essential and allowed to cross the borders freely (or however essential travelers can cross).

Bluejays probably same thing. Raptors are playing in Orlando so they had to/will have to quarantine.
RE: What???  
FearTheHippo : 6/30/2020 11:04 am : link
In comment 14926422 pjcas18 said:
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this can't be real.

Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
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Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.


Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my impression that Price has not always had the best relationship with the fan base in Montreal. After all, these are the same fans who ran one of the greatest goalies in the history of the game out of town, after he won them the cup.

Price might be thinking something like "if we win this series and miss out on a chance at Lafreniere, I might never be forgiven." Of course, it could just be concern over the health of himself and his family.
RE: RE: What???  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 11:22 am : link
In comment 14926689 FearTheHippo said:
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this can't be real.

Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
· 2h
Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.



Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my impression that Price has not always had the best relationship with the fan base in Montreal. After all, these are the same fans who ran one of the greatest goalies in the history of the game out of town, after he won them the cup.

Price might be thinking something like "if we win this series and miss out on a chance at Lafreniere, I might never be forgiven." Of course, it could just be concern over the health of himself and his family.


Yes, there was a stretch a couple years ago when Price was struggling the fans were merciless.

Habs fans are the worst (when the team isn't doing well).

I don't think it has to do with Lafreniere - and I'm not even sure this is true.
RE: RE: Edmonton and Toronto  
Jay in Toronto : 6/30/2020 11:27 am : link
In comment 14926675 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14926671 Jay in Toronto said:


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wouldn't the Canadian Government have to lift all kinds cross-border entry restrictions?



Both countries. Right now there is a mutual closure, so as of now yes, in a few weeks who knows, but regardless i read that NHL teams and their personnel would be considered essential and allowed to cross the borders freely (or however essential travelers can cross).

Bluejays probably same thing. Raptors are playing in Orlando so they had to/will have to quarantine.


I think the quaratine rules are different>

I know that I as a returning Canadian I would have to stay in my residence and not leave for 2 weeks. In the beginning it was an honour system. Now there are spot checks with heavy fines (as it should be, IMO).
I don't think essential workers  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 11:30 am : link
quarantine on either side of the border.

and the NHL teams would be considered essential, however, the point of the hubs is to make it you stay there until the finals.

so there wouldn't be a back and forth until the finals and then if both hubs are in the same country - even then there wouldn't be back and forth.

At most (in theory) you're looking at two trips max - the hub and home when you're team is eliminated.
For Rangers fans  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 12:59 pm : link
nice article from Forever Blueshirts about Kravtsov.

I know many fans are hard asses with the younger high draft picks, but reading this makes me feel like with Lias Andersson that the Rangers don't seem like they're treating these high draft picks as "investments".

Not saying coddle them like kids, but they're young men, in a new country (potentially) and maturity, comfort, emotional well being - all probably lead to more success on ice.

At least IMO that's how I'd consider it.
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This is important  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 3:55 pm : link
for some players.

Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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3m
The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo
RE: This is important  
JayBinQueens : 6/30/2020 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14926889 pjcas18 said:
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for some players.

Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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3m
The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo

Is this what the Isles are dealing with w/ Sorokin?
RE: RE: This is important  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14926891 JayBinQueens said:
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for some players.

Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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3m
The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo


Is this what the Isles are dealing with w/ Sorokin?


Yes - I believe so - assuming Sorokin signed his ELC, and Alex Romanov for the Habs and others in the same boat.

One of those guys can sort of provide a similar boost to a team like McAvoy did for Boston a couple years ago.
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pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 5:21 pm : link
Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
· 8m
For the first time in more than a month, sounds like Vegas is no longer a frontrunner to host an #NHL hub city. Spike in COVID-19 numbers in Vegas appears to have put a damper on their bid.

As @TSNBobMcKenzie reported, very possible both hubs cities are in Canada
Flag of Canada
: TOR and EDM
I know there's a lot at stake and you want to make the right choice,  
Mad Mike : 6/30/2020 5:40 pm : link
Vegas being an example of the value in patience, but the NHL picking hub cities is making Hamlet look like a guy who really trusted his gut.
Some speculation on Twitter that if Lindy Ruff leaves the Rangers,  
Anakim : 6/30/2020 9:11 pm : link
Quinn could bring in Scott Stevens to run the D


Now that would be something...
RE: Some speculation on Twitter that if Lindy Ruff leaves the Rangers,  
Jay in Toronto : 7/1/2020 9:24 am : link
In comment 14927056 Anakim said:
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Quinn could bring in Scott Stevens to run the D


Now that would be something...


I was a voice of doubt on Ruff, but recently a lot of more credible voices have chimed in on Ruff's positive influence on the young D guys like Tony D, Fox and Lindgren
The CBA extension being negotiated in conjunction with return to play  
Mad Mike : 7/1/2020 9:40 am : link
reportedly includes Olympic participation in 2022 (Beijing) and 2026 (Italy).
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Lindy Ruff  
pjcas18 : 7/1/2020 9:46 am : link
is rumored to be a candidate for the Devils job.

I'm not a fan and I have not really defended Ruff per se, what I have defended is fans blaming Ruff for the Rangers defensive woes. Did Ruff plateau Skjei's development? I think that began before Ruff. Did Ruff make Trouba not shine offensively? Is Ruff to blame for Staal? But no credit given for the emergence of DeAngelo or Fox?

The system matters more than the defensive coach IMO. They work in concert - if the Rangers implemented a left wing lock for example, the D would have a lot better stats. Their zone entries allowed would be a lot better. If you care about things like that.

So, while I am not a fan of Ruff - especially as a head coach, I also don't blame him for the Rangers D deficiencies.
RE: Lindy Ruff  
MetsAreBack : 7/1/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14927216 pjcas18 said:
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is rumored to be a candidate for the Devils job.

I'm not a fan and I have not really defended Ruff per se, what I have defended is fans blaming Ruff for the Rangers defensive woes. Did Ruff plateau Skjei's development? I think that began before Ruff. Did Ruff make Trouba not shine offensively? Is Ruff to blame for Staal? But no credit given for the emergence of DeAngelo or Fox?

The system matters more than the defensive coach IMO. They work in concert - if the Rangers implemented a left wing lock for example, the D would have a lot better stats. Their zone entries allowed would be a lot better. If you care about things like that.

So, while I am not a fan of Ruff - especially as a head coach, I also don't blame him for the Rangers D deficiencies.


Trouba has never shined offensively. He's never topped 10 goals and only once has exceeded 35 points. A slightly better version, maybe if that, than McDonaugh. Its why I thought the Rangers overpaid there. This organization for whatever reason has never been great at identifying/scouting defensive talent. Maybe as you say its the systems - I know AV's system put a lot of pressure on defenders anyway.

Thankfully Fox fell into our lap at least - he looks like the best young defender we've had in a real long time.
That's my point  
pjcas18 : 7/1/2020 10:39 am : link
MAB, fans were pissed that Trouba didn't become Subban.

He was never that player nor should he be expected to be that player.

And the blame Ruff took was misdirected IMO.

I fully admit I don't exactly know the real responsibility and impact the coach responsible for the D has on an NHL staff (I doubt any of us does), but I know he doesn't turn talent into horseshit or vice versa. In my head I imagine it's the fundamentals they work on, D to D reverses, maybe faceoff responsibility, communication with each other and the goalie, D pairings, line changes, etc, maybe zone exits - but zone exits/breakout is mostly system and on the head coach IMO.

but the ire was misplaced.

Still don't like Ruff, but I don't blame him for Skjei (not improving), Staal (being shitty), Smith (being shitty) or Trouba (not living up to expectations)
RE: The CBA extension being negotiated in conjunction with return to play  
pjcas18 : 7/1/2020 10:46 am : link
In comment 14927203 Mad Mike said:
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reportedly includes Olympic participation in 2022 (Beijing) and 2026 (Italy). link - ( New Window )


No idea how I missed this post, thanks for sharing his, Olympic participation is huge and so many players want it. I bet someone like Ovi might have considered retiring in 2022 if no Olympics. I think he even said something like "I'm playing I don't care what the NHL says"

who knows what pandemic will be around in China in 2022, but hopefully we get NHL players in the Olympics.
Its July 1  
KDubbs : 7/1/2020 12:04 pm : link
So the isles fans have to be letdown as usual. Seems like Sorokin wont be allowed to play in this tourney
Regarding Lindy Ruff  
Anakim : 7/1/2020 12:14 pm : link
One word:
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Sounds like EDM  
pjcas18 : 7/1/2020 12:54 pm : link
is close to a lock.

Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
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3m
Principles involved remaining tight lipped on details late in the game, understandably considering how fast things can change - (Vegas, Vancouver.) Final criteria as it relates to Edmonton bid are being worked through with the league...
Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
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2m
None of the remaining issues are viewed as potential snags like we saw in Vancouver. As we reported last week, the Province has signed off on all health and safety requirements from the league...
Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
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2m
Additionally, can report that the 6 required ice surfaces will be Rogers Place, the Downtown Community Arena, and the 4 surfaces at the Terwillegar Rec Centre (which will require bussing)
I must say  
MetsAreBack : 7/1/2020 1:21 pm : link
and i know this isnt their preference or the way they thought things would go... but it feels more right somehow with this entire tournament taking place in Canada.
RE: I must say  
pjcas18 : 7/1/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14927349 MetsAreBack said:
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and i know this isnt their preference or the way they thought things would go... but it feels more right somehow with this entire tournament taking place in Canada.


I think that's where they're headed.
Edmonton is a great hockey town  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2020 2:32 pm : link
They deserve to watch some high level hockey after so many years of watching the Oilers be awful.
Except for the no fans part  
MetsAreBack : 7/1/2020 2:36 pm : link
yeah
RE: Edmonton is a great hockey town  
pjcas18 : 7/1/2020 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14927378 Greg from LI said:
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They deserve to watch some high level hockey after so many years of watching the Oilers be awful.


I don't think fans will be there, right?

either way, fair point eve though I have a hard time feeling bad for any fans of any team, though right now with McDavid and Draistl, Nugent-Hopkins, etc. EDM fans are being treated well.

Well, yeah, forgot about that part  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2020 2:39 pm : link
They've had great talents on their team but it hasn't translated to great teams yet.
Sounds like Toronto  
pjcas18 : 7/1/2020 4:18 pm : link
and Edmonton.

Forever Blueshirts
@4EverBlueshirts
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13m
Rangers will play in Toronto if hub city vote passes #NHL #NYR #PlayLikeANewYorker
I'll pack Lindy Ruff a lunch right now to see the back of him  
Torrag : 7/1/2020 4:36 pm : link
Was never a fan at any of his coaching stops. Never wanted him in NY and don't think he did a good job with the D while here. Fox coming in as NHL ready as any player in recent history and one year of TDA having a big points year but still sucking in his own zone doesn't change that.

Hard to get a feel for what the trade market and activity will be as things normalize but I'd be looking to trade DeAngelo. His lack of size and grit combined with poor decision making in his own end just don't profile as a guy I want around long term. I wonder if his outspoken persona on social media etc will make him harder to deal?

Edmonton is a good choice to host the tournament. Can you imagine how close the camera placements are going to be in some of these rinks? NHL playoffs up close and personal.
In little more than a week we'll have players reporting  
Torrag : 7/1/2020 4:55 pm : link
Looking forward to some hockey.

me too  
MetsAreBack : 7/1/2020 9:13 pm : link
but something tells me Toronto'ians (word?) will have trouble social distancing and masking during Leafs playoff games... or playoff games period for that matter. Its a religion.

They better be prepared to move locations in round 2-3 once the 14 day incubation sets in!
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