Which means that the hope for the Rangers to win the Stanley Cup and pick in the top-3 is dead. They can still get a top-3 pick, but that would mean they lost in the first round to the Hurricanes.
Obviously Lafreniere is the crown jewel, but Byfield and Stutzle seem to have separated themselves as Tier II. Detroit will be picking fourth after a season where they were one of the worst teams of all-time.
People think this was rigged. Big market teams like the Rangers, Canadiens, Maple Leafs, Blackhawks, Penguins all have a chance at Lafreniere despite making the playoffs. I just know that he better not go to the Penguins or the Oilers. That’d be some real bullshit.
And not for nothing but whichever team wins the lottery could trade the #1 pick to the Senators for picks 3 and 5. I’m sure it’ll be an option.
those guys can all go in any order and almost no one questions it. Some have Stutzle 2nd and Byfield dropping to 3 or 4.
the most variation I see is on the American (Sanderson) some just say it's a weak top of the draft for D and he's being over-mocked. I like him, if he falls to 9 (if the Habs lose and don't get 1) I'd like him.
I'd like to know who to root for to lose in the play-in so if the Rangers lose (and don't win the lottery (do your magic badge)) they will have the highest pick possible.
the most variation I see is on the American (Sanderson) some just say it's a weak top of the draft for D and he's being over-mocked. I like him, if he falls to 9 (if the Habs lose and don't get 1) I'd like him.
Pronman has the Habs taking him and the Rangers Mercer at 14.
The mistake of watching with my wife, who of course was asking questions during the show, but if I am correct, the NHL place card came up 2nd to the last, leaving LA last. Is that correct? If so, why isn’t LA picking first.
The mistake of watching with my wife, who of course was asking questions during the show, but if I am correct, the NHL place card came up 2nd to the last, leaving LA last. Is that correct? If so, why isn’t LA picking first.
I thought they said when there was two left they said the next pick is for the 1st overall (and the other was obviously 2nd)
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I'd like to know who to root for to lose in the play-in so if the Rangers lose (and don't win the lottery (do your magic badge)) they will have the highest pick possible.
Blueshirt Banter has the answer:
"If the Rangers win the lottery, then they pick first-overall. Simple enough, and of course the best potential outcome. Otherwise, it will depend on who loses the play-in series and how the lottery plays out. The worst-case scenario would see the loser of either the Islanders/Panthers or Maple Leafs/Blue Jackets play-in series win the lottery. In that case, the Rangers would pick 14th overall. Alternatively, in the best-case scenario, the Penguins, Oilers, Canucks, and Predators all lose their play-in series and don’t win the lottery. In that case, the Rangers would draft ninth overall.
To simplify: If the Rangers win the lottery then they draft first overall. If not, then they will draft somewhere between ninth-to-14th depending on what happens with some other teams."
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I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
I'm with you Jon. Further, I don't think that is in JD's DNA, especially in that this, his inaugural season: is that the message to send to your players, FO, fans, franchise?
Since Skjei trade gives Rangers the lower of CAR or TOR pick:
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The Rangers acquired a first-round pick from Carolina in the Brady Skjei trade with the condition that the Rangers would receive whichever of their own and Toronto’s picks came later in the draft...
Carolina and Toronto Both Lose Play-In Series
Because of the conditions, the Rangers cannot win the lottery via the Brady Skjei trade. If Carolina wins the lottery, then the Rangers receive Toronto’s first-round pick. If Toronto wins the lottery, then they retain that pick and give Carolina their 2021 first-round pick, while the Rangers receive Carolina’s 2020 1st-round pick.
Carolina finished higher than Toronto in the regular-season standings. If both Carolina and Toronto lose their play-in series, then the only way the Rangers end up with Toronto’s pick is if Carolina wins the lottery. In that case, Toronto’s pick could be as high as eleventh if Pittsburgh, Edmonton, and the Islanders all lost their play-in series, as low as 15th if those three advanced, or somewhere in-between.
Otherwise, if both teams miss the playoffs then the Rangers are getting Carolina’s pick.
Re the last, bold faced sentence, if both teams miss, TOR's selection would be later than CAR's and we would receive TOR pick, not CAR pick, as TOR pick is later.
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Not sarcasm. This is not your typical tank vs compete argument. The team already competed their butts off this year. We now have a unique opportunity to land what could be a generational talent.
What message does it send the players? It tells players like Panarin that we are listening when he raises concerns about being pushed to risk his health. It tells Kako that we value him too much to let a high risk player take the ice during a pandemic.
Realisticly, what the Rangers should do is allow players to sit out with pay if they are not comfortable returning to the ice right now. Take the financial pressure out of the equation and allow them to make the decision that they feel is best for themselves and their families.
Forcing players to sit could draw the ire of both the players and the league.
to sit out if they're not comfortable playing. without penalty.
And a GM might be able to "tank" in theory by trading away their best players, but players and coaches don't tank, especially when almost none of them is guaranteed to be there next year.
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Not sarcasm. This is not your typical tank vs compete argument. The team already competed their butts off this year. We now have a unique opportunity to land what could be a generational talent.
What message does it send the players? It tells players like Panarin that we are listening when he raises concerns about being pushed to risk his health. It tells Kako that we value him too much to let a high risk player take the ice during a pandemic.
Just stop. What message does it send? You’re kidding right? If they tanked this town would crucify everyone linked to said tank. Come back to the real world.
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
Your suggestion certainly was clear and simple, but definitely not "let the players decide if they want to play"
You want the rangers to sit everyone out essentially and lose so they can get a shot at #1 pick.
As a fan I'd like to see our top players protected from a pandemic virus, yes. I also clearly stated that doing so is not realistic and the decision should instead be left up to the players.
I think it's an interesting philosophical argument that we could be having- would you rather try to win the Stanley Cup (in a year that it will get an asterisk) or try to land a phenomenal prospect?
Most fans want the cup. I prefer to get to watch a superstar play his career in Ranger blue. I'm in the minority, I get that.
to sit out if they're not comfortable playing. without penalty.
And a GM might be able to "tank" in theory by trading away their best players, but players and coaches don't tank, especially when almost none of them is guaranteed to be there next year.
Thanks for the info pjcas. I've been a little too busy raising a new baby boy to read over all the news. I know in Baseball they are talking about players only being paid to sit out if they are in a high-risk group. I wasn't sure about the NHL.
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
"As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now."
I'll clarify- by "them" I meant the organization, not the players. I've never heard anyone suggest players throw a game or series or season. I know that, personally, when I lace up my skates I give 100% every shift. I think that is one of the best parts of the sport; everyone seems to play that way. Sitting on the bench feels like you are suffocating, and hopping onto the ice is like being able to breathe again.
That I respect everyone's opinion, and appreciate the discussion.
I've been visiting BBI for 15+ years, and posting occasionally for a few. I feel like this is the first time I've ever gotten any reaction to a comment I've made.
That I respect everyone's opinion, and appreciate the discussion.
I've been visiting BBI for 15+ years, and posting occasionally for a few. I feel like this is the first time I've ever gotten any reaction to a comment I've made.
Congrats, gotta start somewhere.
Any team that has a pick 9 or above I'd be seriously tempted to take Jan Mysak. He is one of those players I think is underrated.
If they finished out the 2020 Spring he'd be top 10 IMO, instead he's mid-teens early 20's.
Any team that has a pick 9 or above I'd be seriously tempted to take Jan Mysak. He is one of those players I think is underrated.
If they finished out the 2020 Spring he'd be top 10 IMO, instead he's mid-teens early 20's.
Nice, I always like a Czech. Any forwards in this draft you're particularly high on?
I haven't watched any top prospects play this year so I am in the dark. It would be great if we could develop a center who could hold his own in the faceoff circle.
So that means the Rangers, Fishsticks, Penguins, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs...all have a chance at Lafreniere.
Canadiens. why can't they be in your conspiracy?
Oh they're very much in the conspiracy. :) I was just listing off teams that have a shot at Lafreniere.
If the Habs lose to the Pens they have a shot at #1. And with him being a Montreal kid (and the draft was supposed to be in MTL), the conspiracy flames would be pretty strong.
Any team that has a pick 9 or above I'd be seriously tempted to take Jan Mysak. He is one of those players I think is underrated.
If they finished out the 2020 Spring he'd be top 10 IMO, instead he's mid-teens early 20's.
Nice, I always like a Czech. Any forwards in this draft you're particularly high on?
I haven't watched any top prospects play this year so I am in the dark. It would be great if we could develop a center who could hold his own in the faceoff circle.
Other than the big names I list below (excluding D):
Lafreniere (better than Hughes/Kakko, not quite McDavid)
Byfield (6'4 215 pounds as a 17 year old - insane combo of size and skill - a raw Eric Lindros - who may never become Lindros)
Stutzle (can be C, and oozes skill)
The Swedes (Holtz and Raymond)
Marco Rossi: small, but can score - like Caufield but a C
Cole Perfetti: maybe best pure goal scorer in the draft
Anton Lundell: prototype 2-way center - with the same sound fundamentals a lot of the Fins have
so after those guys the very few D's rated near the top of the draft who will be overdrafted and Askarov I like (as sleepers):
Mysak
Hendrix Lapierre
Rodion Amirov
Noel Gunler
Jack Quinn and Dylan Holloway (not really sleepers, they're slated to go early to mid teens)
Thomas Bordeleau (top rated US forward)
Martin Chromiak
Jacob Perreault
I think players like Mysak would have risen if they were able to finish the season and the combine/showcase tourneys.
He's one of those players every time I watch a game he plays he stands out.
I like him.
It's interesting to speculate how this cut off (especially when we are speaking of someone seventeen or eighteen) will affect scouting and selection. Teams with more advanced and/or appropriate protocols that can identify about-to-be risers will have an advantage.
I think your Habs with so many picks will be in good shape. The odds of hitting on such players are higher.
It's a bit like college recruiting (dealing with the same age range). I think this gives teams like UW (that historically gets on guys early based on their criteria and typically eschews the 'star' system) have an advantage this year.
What are your thoughts on Jamie Drysdale? Any chance he falls to the Devils at 7? I know that some prefer Jake Sanderson but Drysdale is considered the best defenseman by most.
He doesn't even have to be right, but the authoritative character in which pj declares his picks and pans is good stuff
LOL, I don't ever pretend to be right. NHL draft is like MLB draft, such a crapshoot - these are 17 or 18 year old kids. For example in NFL terms it's like looking at the 5 star high school recruits (or whatever they're called) go from high school to college - and then look at how many become good pros? My guess is not many.
You're evaluating 17 and 18 year olds to see how they're going to grow physically and mentally and compete at that level.
I am NOT a scout, but I've played the game since I was 5 years old and I think I can watch and tell who is dominating, but again it's at 17/18 or younger in most cases and it's an educated guess.
What are your thoughts on Jamie Drysdale? Any chance he falls to the Devils at 7? I know that some prefer Jake Sanderson but Drysdale is considered the best defenseman by most.
All things being equal I like Sanderson's size better but he needs to add some offense. Drysdale better in transition and with offense today. Who knows how it translates. I think he could fall to the Devils and Drysdale would be a great pick if he did (or Sanderson).
and overall I don't think it's being called a deep draft. The first round has a good core 15 or so, and solid 1st round, but I'm not sure the 2nd/3rd etc are anything special.
There was a good article in the Athletic a month or so ago
but reading a real student of the game's takes is refreshing.
On a different hockey topic, relating to the suits filed by two CHA, OHL and Canadian Juniors against the Associations, Leagues, etc., you probably saw The Athletic article in which a third player essentially affirmed the core substance of the allegations, in depth and dramatically.
occasionally though things like this idiotic Draft methodology creep in, and I just shake my head.
Is it just me, or is the solution to what everyone hates about the lottery really simple? Just limit how many times a decade a team can win each slot in the lottery. So if a team won the #1 pick last year, the best they could win the next year would be #2. There are plenty of complications of course, like draft picks teams have traded for, but the basic concept isn't too out there.
The only thing I dislike about the current system is that it has allowed Edmonton to win the top pick 4 times since 2010, which is nuts.
RE: RE: generally I think the NHL has been well run under Bettman
occasionally though things like this idiotic Draft methodology creep in, and I just shake my head.
Is it just me, or is the solution to what everyone hates about the lottery really simple? Just limit how many times a decade a team can win each slot in the lottery. So if a team won the #1 pick last year, the best they could win the next year would be #2. There are plenty of complications of course, like draft picks teams have traded for, but the basic concept isn't too out there.
The only thing I dislike about the current system is that it has allowed Edmonton to win the top pick 4 times since 2010, which is nuts.
I like your idea except for the fact that the whole point is to help awful teams (except tanking teams).
There should be some mechanism re awful teams that are awful because how poorly run they are (like Edmonton).
among developed countries, adopted a policy on covid from the get go not to shelter in place or shut down the economy. Infections and hospitalizations are now trending strongly up, compared, e.g., to neighboring Norway, where the curve has flattened strongly. Anxiety is up there.
Moreover, when Swedes or citizens of EC generally look at USA, flights from which EC is considering banning (or has banned?), and US is perceived pretty much world wide as having badly mis-managed its response to covid, not hard to understand his position.
On trades, I'll posit that with uncertainty on state of play so high, not only this season but imo next as well, League GMs may not be looking at trades through conventional lens. I think level of conservatism is likely higher. That doesn't mean what you suggest can't or won't happen.
On trades, I'll posit that with uncertainty on state of play so high, not only this season but imo next as well, League GMs may not be looking at trades through conventional lens. I think level of conservatism is likely higher. That doesn't mean what you suggest can't or won't happen.
I agree -- the odds are really low. Even so, I wish there was some kind of 'buyout' clause. As it stands now, he can join after their playoffs, though if he plays for Sweden (likely) we may not see him till G+Fall 2021.
wouldn't the Canadian Government have to lift all kinds cross-border entry restrictions?
Both countries. Right now there is a mutual closure, so as of now yes, in a few weeks who knows, but regardless i read that NHL teams and their personnel would be considered essential and allowed to cross the borders freely (or however essential travelers can cross).
Bluejays probably same thing. Raptors are playing in Orlando so they had to/will have to quarantine.
Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
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Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my impression that Price has not always had the best relationship with the fan base in Montreal. After all, these are the same fans who ran one of the greatest goalies in the history of the game out of town, after he won them the cup.
Price might be thinking something like "if we win this series and miss out on a chance at Lafreniere, I might never be forgiven." Of course, it could just be concern over the health of himself and his family.
Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
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Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my impression that Price has not always had the best relationship with the fan base in Montreal. After all, these are the same fans who ran one of the greatest goalies in the history of the game out of town, after he won them the cup.
Price might be thinking something like "if we win this series and miss out on a chance at Lafreniere, I might never be forgiven." Of course, it could just be concern over the health of himself and his family.
Yes, there was a stretch a couple years ago when Price was struggling the fans were merciless.
Habs fans are the worst (when the team isn't doing well).
I don't think it has to do with Lafreniere - and I'm not even sure this is true.
wouldn't the Canadian Government have to lift all kinds cross-border entry restrictions?
Both countries. Right now there is a mutual closure, so as of now yes, in a few weeks who knows, but regardless i read that NHL teams and their personnel would be considered essential and allowed to cross the borders freely (or however essential travelers can cross).
Bluejays probably same thing. Raptors are playing in Orlando so they had to/will have to quarantine.
I think the quaratine rules are different>
I know that I as a returning Canadian I would have to stay in my residence and not leave for 2 weeks. In the beginning it was an honour system. Now there are spot checks with heavy fines (as it should be, IMO).
nice article from Forever Blueshirts about Kravtsov.
I know many fans are hard asses with the younger high draft picks, but reading this makes me feel like with Lias Andersson that the Rangers don't seem like they're treating these high draft picks as "investments".
Not saying coddle them like kids, but they're young men, in a new country (potentially) and maturity, comfort, emotional well being - all probably lead to more success on ice.
Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo
Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo
Is this what the Isles are dealing with w/ Sorokin?
Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo
Is this what the Isles are dealing with w/ Sorokin?
Yes - I believe so - assuming Sorokin signed his ELC, and Alex Romanov for the Habs and others in the same boat.
One of those guys can sort of provide a similar boost to a team like McAvoy did for Boston a couple years ago.
Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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For the first time in more than a month, sounds like Vegas is no longer a frontrunner to host an #NHL hub city. Spike in COVID-19 numbers in Vegas appears to have put a damper on their bid.
As @TSNBobMcKenzie reported, very possible both hubs cities are in Canada
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: TOR and EDM
I know there's a lot at stake and you want to make the right choice,
I was a voice of doubt on Ruff, but recently a lot of more credible voices have chimed in on Ruff's positive influence on the young D guys like Tony D, Fox and Lindgren
The CBA extension being negotiated in conjunction with return to play
I'm not a fan and I have not really defended Ruff per se, what I have defended is fans blaming Ruff for the Rangers defensive woes. Did Ruff plateau Skjei's development? I think that began before Ruff. Did Ruff make Trouba not shine offensively? Is Ruff to blame for Staal? But no credit given for the emergence of DeAngelo or Fox?
The system matters more than the defensive coach IMO. They work in concert - if the Rangers implemented a left wing lock for example, the D would have a lot better stats. Their zone entries allowed would be a lot better. If you care about things like that.
So, while I am not a fan of Ruff - especially as a head coach, I also don't blame him for the Rangers D deficiencies.
I'm not a fan and I have not really defended Ruff per se, what I have defended is fans blaming Ruff for the Rangers defensive woes. Did Ruff plateau Skjei's development? I think that began before Ruff. Did Ruff make Trouba not shine offensively? Is Ruff to blame for Staal? But no credit given for the emergence of DeAngelo or Fox?
The system matters more than the defensive coach IMO. They work in concert - if the Rangers implemented a left wing lock for example, the D would have a lot better stats. Their zone entries allowed would be a lot better. If you care about things like that.
So, while I am not a fan of Ruff - especially as a head coach, I also don't blame him for the Rangers D deficiencies.
Trouba has never shined offensively. He's never topped 10 goals and only once has exceeded 35 points. A slightly better version, maybe if that, than McDonaugh. Its why I thought the Rangers overpaid there. This organization for whatever reason has never been great at identifying/scouting defensive talent. Maybe as you say its the systems - I know AV's system put a lot of pressure on defenders anyway.
Thankfully Fox fell into our lap at least - he looks like the best young defender we've had in a real long time.
MAB, fans were pissed that Trouba didn't become Subban.
He was never that player nor should he be expected to be that player.
And the blame Ruff took was misdirected IMO.
I fully admit I don't exactly know the real responsibility and impact the coach responsible for the D has on an NHL staff (I doubt any of us does), but I know he doesn't turn talent into horseshit or vice versa. In my head I imagine it's the fundamentals they work on, D to D reverses, maybe faceoff responsibility, communication with each other and the goalie, D pairings, line changes, etc, maybe zone exits - but zone exits/breakout is mostly system and on the head coach IMO.
but the ire was misplaced.
Still don't like Ruff, but I don't blame him for Skjei (not improving), Staal (being shitty), Smith (being shitty) or Trouba (not living up to expectations)
RE: The CBA extension being negotiated in conjunction with return to play
reportedly includes Olympic participation in 2022 (Beijing) and 2026 (Italy). link - ( New Window )
No idea how I missed this post, thanks for sharing his, Olympic participation is huge and so many players want it. I bet someone like Ovi might have considered retiring in 2022 if no Olympics. I think he even said something like "I'm playing I don't care what the NHL says"
who knows what pandemic will be around in China in 2022, but hopefully we get NHL players in the Olympics.
Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
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Principles involved remaining tight lipped on details late in the game, understandably considering how fast things can change - (Vegas, Vancouver.) Final criteria as it relates to Edmonton bid are being worked through with the league...
Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
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None of the remaining issues are viewed as potential snags like we saw in Vancouver. As we reported last week, the Province has signed off on all health and safety requirements from the league...
Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
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Additionally, can report that the 6 required ice surfaces will be Rogers Place, the Downtown Community Arena, and the 4 surfaces at the Terwillegar Rec Centre (which will require bussing)
and i know this isnt their preference or the way they thought things would go... but it feels more right somehow with this entire tournament taking place in Canada.
and i know this isnt their preference or the way they thought things would go... but it feels more right somehow with this entire tournament taking place in Canada.
They deserve to watch some high level hockey after so many years of watching the Oilers be awful.
I don't think fans will be there, right?
either way, fair point eve though I have a hard time feeling bad for any fans of any team, though right now with McDavid and Draistl, Nugent-Hopkins, etc. EDM fans are being treated well.
Was never a fan at any of his coaching stops. Never wanted him in NY and don't think he did a good job with the D while here. Fox coming in as NHL ready as any player in recent history and one year of TDA having a big points year but still sucking in his own zone doesn't change that.
Hard to get a feel for what the trade market and activity will be as things normalize but I'd be looking to trade DeAngelo. His lack of size and grit combined with poor decision making in his own end just don't profile as a guy I want around long term. I wonder if his outspoken persona on social media etc will make him harder to deal?
Edmonton is a good choice to host the tournament. Can you imagine how close the camera placements are going to be in some of these rinks? NHL playoffs up close and personal.
In little more than a week we'll have players reporting
but something tells me Toronto'ians (word?) will have trouble social distancing and masking during Leafs playoff games... or playoff games period for that matter. Its a religion.
They better be prepared to move locations in round 2-3 once the 14 day incubation sets in!
That would be utter horseshit
7. New Jersey
6. Anaheim
5. Ottawa
4. Detroit
Conspiracy theories will be rampant
So that means the Rangers, Fishsticks, Penguins, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs...all have a chance at Lafreniere.
Neither get a top 2 pick
Rangers have a shot at #1, don't know how though
They need to lose to the Hurricanes in the first round of the playoffs and win Phase II of the Lottery.
Conspiracy theories will be rampant
So that means the Rangers, Fishsticks, Penguins, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs...all have a chance at Lafreniere.
Canadiens. why can't they be in your conspiracy?
@MeteMint
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According to @FriedgeHNIC
if the play in doesn’t happen the bottom 8 teams will each have 12.5% chance at that #1 pick
Add Byfield to their prospect pool.
Along with a top 5 farm.
Ottawa has a good crop too, plus 3 and 5 this year.
People think this was rigged. Big market teams like the Rangers, Canadiens, Maple Leafs, Blackhawks, Penguins all have a chance at Lafreniere despite making the playoffs. I just know that he better not go to the Penguins or the Oilers. That’d be some real bullshit.
And not for nothing but whichever team wins the lottery could trade the #1 pick to the Senators for picks 3 and 5. I’m sure it’ll be an option.
Today though I don't see a ton of difference between:
Byfield
Stutzle
*slight gap*
Drysdale
Rossi
Raymond
Perfetti
Holtz
Quinn
Sanderson
Lundell
and then Askarov if you need/want a goalie
those guys can all go in any order and almost no one questions it. Some have Stutzle 2nd and Byfield dropping to 3 or 4.
the most variation I see is on the American (Sanderson) some just say it's a weak top of the draft for D and he's being over-mocked. I like him, if he falls to 9 (if the Habs lose and don't get 1) I'd like him.
I'd like to know who to root for to lose in the play-in so if the Rangers lose (and don't win the lottery (do your magic badge)) they will have the highest pick possible.
the most variation I see is on the American (Sanderson) some just say it's a weak top of the draft for D and he's being over-mocked. I like him, if he falls to 9 (if the Habs lose and don't get 1) I'd like him.
Pronman has the Habs taking him and the Rangers Mercer at 14.
If it's not #1, it probably among Zary and Mercer and Holloway.
Dylan Holloway. Should go in the first. Played some with Caufield last year.
I thought they said when there was two left they said the next pick is for the 1st overall (and the other was obviously 2nd)
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
Good point.
I won’t be able to live with this if they win another lotto.
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
Nope. Go for the cup
Holloway(see earlier comment)
I'd like to know who to root for to lose in the play-in so if the Rangers lose (and don't win the lottery (do your magic badge)) they will have the highest pick possible.
Blueshirt Banter has the answer:
"If the Rangers win the lottery, then they pick first-overall. Simple enough, and of course the best potential outcome. Otherwise, it will depend on who loses the play-in series and how the lottery plays out. The worst-case scenario would see the loser of either the Islanders/Panthers or Maple Leafs/Blue Jackets play-in series win the lottery. In that case, the Rangers would pick 14th overall. Alternatively, in the best-case scenario, the Penguins, Oilers, Canucks, and Predators all lose their play-in series and don’t win the lottery. In that case, the Rangers would draft ninth overall.
To simplify: If the Rangers win the lottery then they draft first overall. If not, then they will draft somewhere between ninth-to-14th depending on what happens with some other teams."
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I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
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Carolina and Toronto Both Lose Play-In Series
Because of the conditions, the Rangers cannot win the lottery via the Brady Skjei trade. If Carolina wins the lottery, then the Rangers receive Toronto’s first-round pick. If Toronto wins the lottery, then they retain that pick and give Carolina their 2021 first-round pick, while the Rangers receive Carolina’s 2020 1st-round pick.
Carolina finished higher than Toronto in the regular-season standings. If both Carolina and Toronto lose their play-in series, then the only way the Rangers end up with Toronto’s pick is if Carolina wins the lottery. In that case, Toronto’s pick could be as high as eleventh if Pittsburgh, Edmonton, and the Islanders all lost their play-in series, as low as 15th if those three advanced, or somewhere in-between.
Otherwise, if both teams miss the playoffs then the Rangers are getting Carolina’s pick.
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As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Not sarcasm. This is not your typical tank vs compete argument. The team already competed their butts off this year. We now have a unique opportunity to land what could be a generational talent.
What message does it send the players? It tells players like Panarin that we are listening when he raises concerns about being pushed to risk his health. It tells Kako that we value him too much to let a high risk player take the ice during a pandemic.
Forcing players to sit could draw the ire of both the players and the league.
Umm, where in my comments did you read that?
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
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You would tell the players to throw the games?
Umm, where in my comments did you read that?
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
Your suggestion certainly was clear and simple, but definitely not "let the players decide if they want to play"
You want the rangers to sit everyone out essentially and lose so they can get a shot at #1 pick.
And a GM might be able to "tank" in theory by trading away their best players, but players and coaches don't tank, especially when almost none of them is guaranteed to be there next year.
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As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Not sarcasm. This is not your typical tank vs compete argument. The team already competed their butts off this year. We now have a unique opportunity to land what could be a generational talent.
What message does it send the players? It tells players like Panarin that we are listening when he raises concerns about being pushed to risk his health. It tells Kako that we value him too much to let a high risk player take the ice during a pandemic.
Just stop. What message does it send? You’re kidding right? If they tanked this town would crucify everyone linked to said tank. Come back to the real world.
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You would tell the players to throw the games?
Umm, where in my comments did you read that?
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
Your suggestion certainly was clear and simple, but definitely not "let the players decide if they want to play"
You want the rangers to sit everyone out essentially and lose so they can get a shot at #1 pick.
As a fan I'd like to see our top players protected from a pandemic virus, yes. I also clearly stated that doing so is not realistic and the decision should instead be left up to the players.
I think it's an interesting philosophical argument that we could be having- would you rather try to win the Stanley Cup (in a year that it will get an asterisk) or try to land a phenomenal prospect?
Most fans want the cup. I prefer to get to watch a superstar play his career in Ranger blue. I'm in the minority, I get that.
And a GM might be able to "tank" in theory by trading away their best players, but players and coaches don't tank, especially when almost none of them is guaranteed to be there next year.
Thanks for the info pjcas. I've been a little too busy raising a new baby boy to read over all the news. I know in Baseball they are talking about players only being paid to sit out if they are in a high-risk group. I wasn't sure about the NHL.
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You would tell the players to throw the games?
Umm, where in my comments did you read that?
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
"As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now."
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You would tell the players to throw the games?
Umm, where in my comments did you read that?
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
"As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now."
I'll clarify- by "them" I meant the organization, not the players. I've never heard anyone suggest players throw a game or series or season. I know that, personally, when I lace up my skates I give 100% every shift. I think that is one of the best parts of the sport; everyone seems to play that way. Sitting on the bench feels like you are suffocating, and hopping onto the ice is like being able to breathe again.
I've been visiting BBI for 15+ years, and posting occasionally for a few. I feel like this is the first time I've ever gotten any reaction to a comment I've made.
I've been visiting BBI for 15+ years, and posting occasionally for a few. I feel like this is the first time I've ever gotten any reaction to a comment I've made.
Congrats, gotta start somewhere.
Any team that has a pick 9 or above I'd be seriously tempted to take Jan Mysak. He is one of those players I think is underrated.
If they finished out the 2020 Spring he'd be top 10 IMO, instead he's mid-teens early 20's.
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I mean what are the odds?
Conspiracy theories will be rampant
So that means the Rangers, Fishsticks, Penguins, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs...all have a chance at Lafreniere.
Canadiens. why can't they be in your conspiracy?
Oh they're very much in the conspiracy. :) I was just listing off teams that have a shot at Lafreniere.
If they finished out the 2020 Spring he'd be top 10 IMO, instead he's mid-teens early 20's.
Nice, I always like a Czech. Any forwards in this draft you're particularly high on?
I haven't watched any top prospects play this year so I am in the dark. It would be great if we could develop a center who could hold his own in the faceoff circle.
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I mean what are the odds?
Conspiracy theories will be rampant
So that means the Rangers, Fishsticks, Penguins, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs...all have a chance at Lafreniere.
Canadiens. why can't they be in your conspiracy?
Oh they're very much in the conspiracy. :) I was just listing off teams that have a shot at Lafreniere.
If the Habs lose to the Pens they have a shot at #1. And with him being a Montreal kid (and the draft was supposed to be in MTL), the conspiracy flames would be pretty strong.
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Any team that has a pick 9 or above I'd be seriously tempted to take Jan Mysak. He is one of those players I think is underrated.
If they finished out the 2020 Spring he'd be top 10 IMO, instead he's mid-teens early 20's.
Nice, I always like a Czech. Any forwards in this draft you're particularly high on?
I haven't watched any top prospects play this year so I am in the dark. It would be great if we could develop a center who could hold his own in the faceoff circle.
Other than the big names I list below (excluding D):
Lafreniere (better than Hughes/Kakko, not quite McDavid)
Byfield (6'4 215 pounds as a 17 year old - insane combo of size and skill - a raw Eric Lindros - who may never become Lindros)
Stutzle (can be C, and oozes skill)
The Swedes (Holtz and Raymond)
Marco Rossi: small, but can score - like Caufield but a C
Cole Perfetti: maybe best pure goal scorer in the draft
Anton Lundell: prototype 2-way center - with the same sound fundamentals a lot of the Fins have
so after those guys the very few D's rated near the top of the draft who will be overdrafted and Askarov I like (as sleepers):
Mysak
Hendrix Lapierre
Rodion Amirov
Noel Gunler
Jack Quinn and Dylan Holloway (not really sleepers, they're slated to go early to mid teens)
Thomas Bordeleau (top rated US forward)
Martin Chromiak
Jacob Perreault
I've asked him, I'll see if he responds 😊
He's one of those players every time I watch a game he plays he stands out.
I like him.
He's one of those players every time I watch a game he plays he stands out.
I like him.
It's interesting to speculate how this cut off (especially when we are speaking of someone seventeen or eighteen) will affect scouting and selection. Teams with more advanced and/or appropriate protocols that can identify about-to-be risers will have an advantage.
I think your Habs with so many picks will be in good shape. The odds of hitting on such players are higher.
It's a bit like college recruiting (dealing with the same age range). I think this gives teams like UW (that historically gets on guys early based on their criteria and typically eschews the 'star' system) have an advantage this year.
He doesn't even have to be right, but the authoritative character in which pj declares his picks and pans is good stuff
The guy in the link below seems to give Mysiak soem credence
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He doesn't even have to be right, but the authoritative character in which pj declares his picks and pans is good stuff
LOL, I don't ever pretend to be right. NHL draft is like MLB draft, such a crapshoot - these are 17 or 18 year old kids. For example in NFL terms it's like looking at the 5 star high school recruits (or whatever they're called) go from high school to college - and then look at how many become good pros? My guess is not many.
You're evaluating 17 and 18 year olds to see how they're going to grow physically and mentally and compete at that level.
I am NOT a scout, but I've played the game since I was 5 years old and I think I can watch and tell who is dominating, but again it's at 17/18 or younger in most cases and it's an educated guess.
All things being equal I like Sanderson's size better but he needs to add some offense. Drysdale better in transition and with offense today. Who knows how it translates. I think he could fall to the Devils and Drysdale would be a great pick if he did (or Sanderson).
On a different hockey topic, relating to the suits filed by two CHA, OHL and Canadian Juniors against the Associations, Leagues, etc., you probably saw The Athletic article in which a third player essentially affirmed the core substance of the allegations, in depth and dramatically.
https://theathletic.com/1889350/2020/06/25/dan-fritsche-says-he-was-also-abused-in-junior-hockey-will-join-daniel-carcillo-lawsuit/
Is it just me, or is the solution to what everyone hates about the lottery really simple? Just limit how many times a decade a team can win each slot in the lottery. So if a team won the #1 pick last year, the best they could win the next year would be #2. There are plenty of complications of course, like draft picks teams have traded for, but the basic concept isn't too out there.
The only thing I dislike about the current system is that it has allowed Edmonton to win the top pick 4 times since 2010, which is nuts.
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occasionally though things like this idiotic Draft methodology creep in, and I just shake my head.
Is it just me, or is the solution to what everyone hates about the lottery really simple? Just limit how many times a decade a team can win each slot in the lottery. So if a team won the #1 pick last year, the best they could win the next year would be #2. There are plenty of complications of course, like draft picks teams have traded for, but the basic concept isn't too out there.
The only thing I dislike about the current system is that it has allowed Edmonton to win the top pick 4 times since 2010, which is nuts.
I like your idea except for the fact that the whole point is to help awful teams (except tanking teams).
There should be some mechanism re awful teams that are awful because how poorly run they are (like Edmonton).
social media sucks, and people suck.
Vegas still thought to be one. Not sure Edmonton is anymore.
Toronto maybe.
Moreover, when Swedes or citizens of EC generally look at USA, flights from which EC is considering banning (or has banned?), and US is perceived pretty much world wide as having badly mis-managed its response to covid, not hard to understand his position.
social media sucks, and people suck.
Good decision re Covid. Only issue is if we trade TDA or Trouba
@WatchTheBreaks
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Today's Project 2020 cards - which ones are you getting?
Left - Right - Both! - neither?
Tony Gwynn by Gregory Siff + Cal Ripken by Matt Taylor
#Collect #TheHobby
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Matt Smith
@Snakebite350
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A total of 15 players have tested positive for #COVID19 as of June 29th.
In addition, since June 8th, the #NHL is aware of 11 additional positive cases outside of the Phase 2 Protocol.
That’s 26 players total... and they’re still considering playing?
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@HabsUnfiltered
I agree -- the odds are really low. Even so, I wish there was some kind of 'buyout' clause. As it stands now, he can join after their playoffs, though if he plays for Sweden (likely) we may not see him till G+Fall 2021.
Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
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Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.
social media sucks, and people suck.
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Both countries. Right now there is a mutual closure, so as of now yes, in a few weeks who knows, but regardless i read that NHL teams and their personnel would be considered essential and allowed to cross the borders freely (or however essential travelers can cross).
Bluejays probably same thing. Raptors are playing in Orlando so they had to/will have to quarantine.
Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
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Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my impression that Price has not always had the best relationship with the fan base in Montreal. After all, these are the same fans who ran one of the greatest goalies in the history of the game out of town, after he won them the cup.
Price might be thinking something like "if we win this series and miss out on a chance at Lafreniere, I might never be forgiven." Of course, it could just be concern over the health of himself and his family.
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this can't be real.
Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
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Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my impression that Price has not always had the best relationship with the fan base in Montreal. After all, these are the same fans who ran one of the greatest goalies in the history of the game out of town, after he won them the cup.
Price might be thinking something like "if we win this series and miss out on a chance at Lafreniere, I might never be forgiven." Of course, it could just be concern over the health of himself and his family.
Yes, there was a stretch a couple years ago when Price was struggling the fans were merciless.
Habs fans are the worst (when the team isn't doing well).
I don't think it has to do with Lafreniere - and I'm not even sure this is true.
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wouldn't the Canadian Government have to lift all kinds cross-border entry restrictions?
Both countries. Right now there is a mutual closure, so as of now yes, in a few weeks who knows, but regardless i read that NHL teams and their personnel would be considered essential and allowed to cross the borders freely (or however essential travelers can cross).
Bluejays probably same thing. Raptors are playing in Orlando so they had to/will have to quarantine.
I think the quaratine rules are different>
I know that I as a returning Canadian I would have to stay in my residence and not leave for 2 weeks. In the beginning it was an honour system. Now there are spot checks with heavy fines (as it should be, IMO).
and the NHL teams would be considered essential, however, the point of the hubs is to make it you stay there until the finals.
so there wouldn't be a back and forth until the finals and then if both hubs are in the same country - even then there wouldn't be back and forth.
At most (in theory) you're looking at two trips max - the hub and home when you're team is eliminated.
I know many fans are hard asses with the younger high draft picks, but reading this makes me feel like with Lias Andersson that the Rangers don't seem like they're treating these high draft picks as "investments".
Not saying coddle them like kids, but they're young men, in a new country (potentially) and maturity, comfort, emotional well being - all probably lead to more success on ice.
At least IMO that's how I'd consider it.
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Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo
Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo
Is this what the Isles are dealing with w/ Sorokin?
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Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo
Is this what the Isles are dealing with w/ Sorokin?
Yes - I believe so - assuming Sorokin signed his ELC, and Alex Romanov for the Habs and others in the same boat.
One of those guys can sort of provide a similar boost to a team like McAvoy did for Boston a couple years ago.
@frank_seravalli
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For the first time in more than a month, sounds like Vegas is no longer a frontrunner to host an #NHL hub city. Spike in COVID-19 numbers in Vegas appears to have put a damper on their bid.
As @TSNBobMcKenzie reported, very possible both hubs cities are in Canada
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Now that would be something...
Now that would be something...
I was a voice of doubt on Ruff, but recently a lot of more credible voices have chimed in on Ruff's positive influence on the young D guys like Tony D, Fox and Lindgren
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I'm not a fan and I have not really defended Ruff per se, what I have defended is fans blaming Ruff for the Rangers defensive woes. Did Ruff plateau Skjei's development? I think that began before Ruff. Did Ruff make Trouba not shine offensively? Is Ruff to blame for Staal? But no credit given for the emergence of DeAngelo or Fox?
The system matters more than the defensive coach IMO. They work in concert - if the Rangers implemented a left wing lock for example, the D would have a lot better stats. Their zone entries allowed would be a lot better. If you care about things like that.
So, while I am not a fan of Ruff - especially as a head coach, I also don't blame him for the Rangers D deficiencies.
I'm not a fan and I have not really defended Ruff per se, what I have defended is fans blaming Ruff for the Rangers defensive woes. Did Ruff plateau Skjei's development? I think that began before Ruff. Did Ruff make Trouba not shine offensively? Is Ruff to blame for Staal? But no credit given for the emergence of DeAngelo or Fox?
The system matters more than the defensive coach IMO. They work in concert - if the Rangers implemented a left wing lock for example, the D would have a lot better stats. Their zone entries allowed would be a lot better. If you care about things like that.
So, while I am not a fan of Ruff - especially as a head coach, I also don't blame him for the Rangers D deficiencies.
Trouba has never shined offensively. He's never topped 10 goals and only once has exceeded 35 points. A slightly better version, maybe if that, than McDonaugh. Its why I thought the Rangers overpaid there. This organization for whatever reason has never been great at identifying/scouting defensive talent. Maybe as you say its the systems - I know AV's system put a lot of pressure on defenders anyway.
Thankfully Fox fell into our lap at least - he looks like the best young defender we've had in a real long time.
He was never that player nor should he be expected to be that player.
And the blame Ruff took was misdirected IMO.
I fully admit I don't exactly know the real responsibility and impact the coach responsible for the D has on an NHL staff (I doubt any of us does), but I know he doesn't turn talent into horseshit or vice versa. In my head I imagine it's the fundamentals they work on, D to D reverses, maybe faceoff responsibility, communication with each other and the goalie, D pairings, line changes, etc, maybe zone exits - but zone exits/breakout is mostly system and on the head coach IMO.
but the ire was misplaced.
Still don't like Ruff, but I don't blame him for Skjei (not improving), Staal (being shitty), Smith (being shitty) or Trouba (not living up to expectations)
No idea how I missed this post, thanks for sharing his, Olympic participation is huge and so many players want it. I bet someone like Ovi might have considered retiring in 2022 if no Olympics. I think he even said something like "I'm playing I don't care what the NHL says"
who knows what pandemic will be around in China in 2022, but hopefully we get NHL players in the Olympics.
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Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
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Principles involved remaining tight lipped on details late in the game, understandably considering how fast things can change - (Vegas, Vancouver.) Final criteria as it relates to Edmonton bid are being worked through with the league...
Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
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None of the remaining issues are viewed as potential snags like we saw in Vancouver. As we reported last week, the Province has signed off on all health and safety requirements from the league...
Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
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Additionally, can report that the 6 required ice surfaces will be Rogers Place, the Downtown Community Arena, and the 4 surfaces at the Terwillegar Rec Centre (which will require bussing)
I think that's where they're headed.
I don't think fans will be there, right?
either way, fair point eve though I have a hard time feeling bad for any fans of any team, though right now with McDavid and Draistl, Nugent-Hopkins, etc. EDM fans are being treated well.
Forever Blueshirts
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Rangers will play in Toronto if hub city vote passes #NHL #NYR #PlayLikeANewYorker
Hard to get a feel for what the trade market and activity will be as things normalize but I'd be looking to trade DeAngelo. His lack of size and grit combined with poor decision making in his own end just don't profile as a guy I want around long term. I wonder if his outspoken persona on social media etc will make him harder to deal?
Edmonton is a good choice to host the tournament. Can you imagine how close the camera placements are going to be in some of these rinks? NHL playoffs up close and personal.
They better be prepared to move locations in round 2-3 once the 14 day incubation sets in!