Which means that the hope for the Rangers to win the Stanley Cup and pick in the top-3 is dead. They can still get a top-3 pick, but that would mean they lost in the first round to the Hurricanes.
Obviously Lafreniere is the crown jewel, but Byfield and Stutzle seem to have separated themselves as Tier II. Detroit will be picking fourth after a season where they were one of the worst teams of all-time.
People think this was rigged. Big market teams like the Rangers, Canadiens, Maple Leafs, Blackhawks, Penguins all have a chance at Lafreniere despite making the playoffs. I just know that he better not go to the Penguins or the Oilers. That’d be some real bullshit.
And not for nothing but whichever team wins the lottery could trade the #1 pick to the Senators for picks 3 and 5. I’m sure it’ll be an option.
those guys can all go in any order and almost no one questions it. Some have Stutzle 2nd and Byfield dropping to 3 or 4.
the most variation I see is on the American (Sanderson) some just say it's a weak top of the draft for D and he's being over-mocked. I like him, if he falls to 9 (if the Habs lose and don't get 1) I'd like him.
I'd like to know who to root for to lose in the play-in so if the Rangers lose (and don't win the lottery (do your magic badge)) they will have the highest pick possible.
the most variation I see is on the American (Sanderson) some just say it's a weak top of the draft for D and he's being over-mocked. I like him, if he falls to 9 (if the Habs lose and don't get 1) I'd like him.
Pronman has the Habs taking him and the Rangers Mercer at 14.
The mistake of watching with my wife, who of course was asking questions during the show, but if I am correct, the NHL place card came up 2nd to the last, leaving LA last. Is that correct? If so, why isn’t LA picking first.
The mistake of watching with my wife, who of course was asking questions during the show, but if I am correct, the NHL place card came up 2nd to the last, leaving LA last. Is that correct? If so, why isn’t LA picking first.
I thought they said when there was two left they said the next pick is for the 1st overall (and the other was obviously 2nd)
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I'd like to know who to root for to lose in the play-in so if the Rangers lose (and don't win the lottery (do your magic badge)) they will have the highest pick possible.
Blueshirt Banter has the answer:
"If the Rangers win the lottery, then they pick first-overall. Simple enough, and of course the best potential outcome. Otherwise, it will depend on who loses the play-in series and how the lottery plays out. The worst-case scenario would see the loser of either the Islanders/Panthers or Maple Leafs/Blue Jackets play-in series win the lottery. In that case, the Rangers would pick 14th overall. Alternatively, in the best-case scenario, the Penguins, Oilers, Canucks, and Predators all lose their play-in series and don’t win the lottery. In that case, the Rangers would draft ninth overall.
To simplify: If the Rangers win the lottery then they draft first overall. If not, then they will draft somewhere between ninth-to-14th depending on what happens with some other teams."
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I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
I'm with you Jon. Further, I don't think that is in JD's DNA, especially in that this, his inaugural season: is that the message to send to your players, FO, fans, franchise?
Since Skjei trade gives Rangers the lower of CAR or TOR pick:
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The Rangers acquired a first-round pick from Carolina in the Brady Skjei trade with the condition that the Rangers would receive whichever of their own and Toronto’s picks came later in the draft...
Carolina and Toronto Both Lose Play-In Series
Because of the conditions, the Rangers cannot win the lottery via the Brady Skjei trade. If Carolina wins the lottery, then the Rangers receive Toronto’s first-round pick. If Toronto wins the lottery, then they retain that pick and give Carolina their 2021 first-round pick, while the Rangers receive Carolina’s 2020 1st-round pick.
Carolina finished higher than Toronto in the regular-season standings. If both Carolina and Toronto lose their play-in series, then the only way the Rangers end up with Toronto’s pick is if Carolina wins the lottery. In that case, Toronto’s pick could be as high as eleventh if Pittsburgh, Edmonton, and the Islanders all lost their play-in series, as low as 15th if those three advanced, or somewhere in-between.
Otherwise, if both teams miss the playoffs then the Rangers are getting Carolina’s pick.
Re the last, bold faced sentence, if both teams miss, TOR's selection would be later than CAR's and we would receive TOR pick, not CAR pick, as TOR pick is later.
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Not sarcasm. This is not your typical tank vs compete argument. The team already competed their butts off this year. We now have a unique opportunity to land what could be a generational talent.
What message does it send the players? It tells players like Panarin that we are listening when he raises concerns about being pushed to risk his health. It tells Kako that we value him too much to let a high risk player take the ice during a pandemic.
Realisticly, what the Rangers should do is allow players to sit out with pay if they are not comfortable returning to the ice right now. Take the financial pressure out of the equation and allow them to make the decision that they feel is best for themselves and their families.
Forcing players to sit could draw the ire of both the players and the league.
to sit out if they're not comfortable playing. without penalty.
And a GM might be able to "tank" in theory by trading away their best players, but players and coaches don't tank, especially when almost none of them is guaranteed to be there next year.
As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Not sarcasm. This is not your typical tank vs compete argument. The team already competed their butts off this year. We now have a unique opportunity to land what could be a generational talent.
What message does it send the players? It tells players like Panarin that we are listening when he raises concerns about being pushed to risk his health. It tells Kako that we value him too much to let a high risk player take the ice during a pandemic.
Just stop. What message does it send? You’re kidding right? If they tanked this town would crucify everyone linked to said tank. Come back to the real world.
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
Your suggestion certainly was clear and simple, but definitely not "let the players decide if they want to play"
You want the rangers to sit everyone out essentially and lose so they can get a shot at #1 pick.
As a fan I'd like to see our top players protected from a pandemic virus, yes. I also clearly stated that doing so is not realistic and the decision should instead be left up to the players.
I think it's an interesting philosophical argument that we could be having- would you rather try to win the Stanley Cup (in a year that it will get an asterisk) or try to land a phenomenal prospect?
Most fans want the cup. I prefer to get to watch a superstar play his career in Ranger blue. I'm in the minority, I get that.
to sit out if they're not comfortable playing. without penalty.
And a GM might be able to "tank" in theory by trading away their best players, but players and coaches don't tank, especially when almost none of them is guaranteed to be there next year.
Thanks for the info pjcas. I've been a little too busy raising a new baby boy to read over all the news. I know in Baseball they are talking about players only being paid to sit out if they are in a high-risk group. I wasn't sure about the NHL.
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
"As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now."
I'll clarify- by "them" I meant the organization, not the players. I've never heard anyone suggest players throw a game or series or season. I know that, personally, when I lace up my skates I give 100% every shift. I think that is one of the best parts of the sport; everyone seems to play that way. Sitting on the bench feels like you are suffocating, and hopping onto the ice is like being able to breathe again.
That I respect everyone's opinion, and appreciate the discussion.
I've been visiting BBI for 15+ years, and posting occasionally for a few. I feel like this is the first time I've ever gotten any reaction to a comment I've made.
That would be utter horseshit
7. New Jersey
6. Anaheim
5. Ottawa
4. Detroit
Conspiracy theories will be rampant
So that means the Rangers, Fishsticks, Penguins, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs...all have a chance at Lafreniere.
Neither get a top 2 pick
Rangers have a shot at #1, don't know how though
They need to lose to the Hurricanes in the first round of the playoffs and win Phase II of the Lottery.
Conspiracy theories will be rampant
So that means the Rangers, Fishsticks, Penguins, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs...all have a chance at Lafreniere.
Canadiens. why can't they be in your conspiracy?
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if the play in doesn’t happen the bottom 8 teams will each have 12.5% chance at that #1 pick
Add Byfield to their prospect pool.
Along with a top 5 farm.
Ottawa has a good crop too, plus 3 and 5 this year.
People think this was rigged. Big market teams like the Rangers, Canadiens, Maple Leafs, Blackhawks, Penguins all have a chance at Lafreniere despite making the playoffs. I just know that he better not go to the Penguins or the Oilers. That’d be some real bullshit.
And not for nothing but whichever team wins the lottery could trade the #1 pick to the Senators for picks 3 and 5. I’m sure it’ll be an option.
Today though I don't see a ton of difference between:
Byfield
Stutzle
*slight gap*
Drysdale
Rossi
Raymond
Perfetti
Holtz
Quinn
Sanderson
Lundell
and then Askarov if you need/want a goalie
those guys can all go in any order and almost no one questions it. Some have Stutzle 2nd and Byfield dropping to 3 or 4.
the most variation I see is on the American (Sanderson) some just say it's a weak top of the draft for D and he's being over-mocked. I like him, if he falls to 9 (if the Habs lose and don't get 1) I'd like him.
I'd like to know who to root for to lose in the play-in so if the Rangers lose (and don't win the lottery (do your magic badge)) they will have the highest pick possible.
the most variation I see is on the American (Sanderson) some just say it's a weak top of the draft for D and he's being over-mocked. I like him, if he falls to 9 (if the Habs lose and don't get 1) I'd like him.
Pronman has the Habs taking him and the Rangers Mercer at 14.
If it's not #1, it probably among Zary and Mercer and Holloway.
Dylan Holloway. Should go in the first. Played some with Caufield last year.
I thought they said when there was two left they said the next pick is for the 1st overall (and the other was obviously 2nd)
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
Good point.
I won’t be able to live with this if they win another lotto.
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
Nope. Go for the cup
Holloway(see earlier comment)
I'd like to know who to root for to lose in the play-in so if the Rangers lose (and don't win the lottery (do your magic badge)) they will have the highest pick possible.
Blueshirt Banter has the answer:
"If the Rangers win the lottery, then they pick first-overall. Simple enough, and of course the best potential outcome. Otherwise, it will depend on who loses the play-in series and how the lottery plays out. The worst-case scenario would see the loser of either the Islanders/Panthers or Maple Leafs/Blue Jackets play-in series win the lottery. In that case, the Rangers would pick 14th overall. Alternatively, in the best-case scenario, the Penguins, Oilers, Canucks, and Predators all lose their play-in series and don’t win the lottery. In that case, the Rangers would draft ninth overall.
To simplify: If the Rangers win the lottery then they draft first overall. If not, then they will draft somewhere between ninth-to-14th depending on what happens with some other teams."
Adam Herman - ( New Window )
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Thank you Adam Herman - ( New Window )
Carolina and Toronto Both Lose Play-In Series
Because of the conditions, the Rangers cannot win the lottery via the Brady Skjei trade. If Carolina wins the lottery, then the Rangers receive Toronto’s first-round pick. If Toronto wins the lottery, then they retain that pick and give Carolina their 2021 first-round pick, while the Rangers receive Carolina’s 2020 1st-round pick.
Carolina finished higher than Toronto in the regular-season standings. If both Carolina and Toronto lose their play-in series, then the only way the Rangers end up with Toronto’s pick is if Carolina wins the lottery. In that case, Toronto’s pick could be as high as eleventh if Pittsburgh, Edmonton, and the Islanders all lost their play-in series, as low as 15th if those three advanced, or somewhere in-between.
Otherwise, if both teams miss the playoffs then the Rangers are getting Carolina’s pick.
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As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Not sarcasm. This is not your typical tank vs compete argument. The team already competed their butts off this year. We now have a unique opportunity to land what could be a generational talent.
What message does it send the players? It tells players like Panarin that we are listening when he raises concerns about being pushed to risk his health. It tells Kako that we value him too much to let a high risk player take the ice during a pandemic.
Forcing players to sit could draw the ire of both the players and the league.
Umm, where in my comments did you read that?
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
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You would tell the players to throw the games?
Umm, where in my comments did you read that?
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
Your suggestion certainly was clear and simple, but definitely not "let the players decide if they want to play"
You want the rangers to sit everyone out essentially and lose so they can get a shot at #1 pick.
And a GM might be able to "tank" in theory by trading away their best players, but players and coaches don't tank, especially when almost none of them is guaranteed to be there next year.
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As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now. Players like Kako, Panarin, and Zibby should sit out. Why risk their health in a series you don't want to win?
Let's face it, the 12.5% chance they would have to nab Lafreniere is significantly better than their odds to win the cup.
I've read this four times and I'm still not sure if it's sarcasm.
Not sarcasm. This is not your typical tank vs compete argument. The team already competed their butts off this year. We now have a unique opportunity to land what could be a generational talent.
What message does it send the players? It tells players like Panarin that we are listening when he raises concerns about being pushed to risk his health. It tells Kako that we value him too much to let a high risk player take the ice during a pandemic.
Just stop. What message does it send? You’re kidding right? If they tanked this town would crucify everyone linked to said tank. Come back to the real world.
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You would tell the players to throw the games?
Umm, where in my comments did you read that?
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
Your suggestion certainly was clear and simple, but definitely not "let the players decide if they want to play"
You want the rangers to sit everyone out essentially and lose so they can get a shot at #1 pick.
As a fan I'd like to see our top players protected from a pandemic virus, yes. I also clearly stated that doing so is not realistic and the decision should instead be left up to the players.
I think it's an interesting philosophical argument that we could be having- would you rather try to win the Stanley Cup (in a year that it will get an asterisk) or try to land a phenomenal prospect?
Most fans want the cup. I prefer to get to watch a superstar play his career in Ranger blue. I'm in the minority, I get that.
And a GM might be able to "tank" in theory by trading away their best players, but players and coaches don't tank, especially when almost none of them is guaranteed to be there next year.
Thanks for the info pjcas. I've been a little too busy raising a new baby boy to read over all the news. I know in Baseball they are talking about players only being paid to sit out if they are in a high-risk group. I wasn't sure about the NHL.
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You would tell the players to throw the games?
Umm, where in my comments did you read that?
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
"As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now."
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In comment 14925569 Anakim said:
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You would tell the players to throw the games?
Umm, where in my comments did you read that?
My suggestion is clear and simple- let the players decide if they want to play, and don't penalize anyone who chooses to sit out.
"As a Rangers fan I absolutely want them to tank the series with Carolina now."
I'll clarify- by "them" I meant the organization, not the players. I've never heard anyone suggest players throw a game or series or season. I know that, personally, when I lace up my skates I give 100% every shift. I think that is one of the best parts of the sport; everyone seems to play that way. Sitting on the bench feels like you are suffocating, and hopping onto the ice is like being able to breathe again.
I've been visiting BBI for 15+ years, and posting occasionally for a few. I feel like this is the first time I've ever gotten any reaction to a comment I've made.