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NFT: NHL Draft Lottery: Phase I

Anakim : 6/26/2020 7:47 pm
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As Rangers fans, we want to see two placeholders win the Lottery and move up into the top-3.
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RE: I'd like to add  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2020 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14925591 FearTheHippo said:
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That I respect everyone's opinion, and appreciate the discussion.

I've been visiting BBI for 15+ years, and posting occasionally for a few. I feel like this is the first time I've ever gotten any reaction to a comment I've made.


Congrats, gotta start somewhere.

Any team that has a pick 9 or above I'd be seriously tempted to take Jan Mysak. He is one of those players I think is underrated.

If they finished out the 2020 Spring he'd be top 10 IMO, instead he's mid-teens early 20's.
And by above 9  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2020 2:27 pm : link
I mean greater than (like 10 or later)
RE: RE: WOWWWOWWWOWOWOWOWO  
Anakim : 6/27/2020 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14925366 pjcas18 said:
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I mean what are the odds?

Conspiracy theories will be rampant


So that means the Rangers, Fishsticks, Penguins, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs...all have a chance at Lafreniere.



Canadiens. why can't they be in your conspiracy?


Oh they're very much in the conspiracy. :) I was just listing off teams that have a shot at Lafreniere.
RE: RE: I'd like to add  
FearTheHippo : 6/27/2020 2:57 pm : link
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Any team that has a pick 9 or above I'd be seriously tempted to take Jan Mysak. He is one of those players I think is underrated.

If they finished out the 2020 Spring he'd be top 10 IMO, instead he's mid-teens early 20's.


Nice, I always like a Czech. Any forwards in this draft you're particularly high on?

I haven't watched any top prospects play this year so I am in the dark. It would be great if we could develop a center who could hold his own in the faceoff circle.
RE: RE: RE: WOWWWOWWWOWOWOWOWO  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2020 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14925601 Anakim said:
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In comment 14925366 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 14925363 Anakim said:


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I mean what are the odds?

Conspiracy theories will be rampant


So that means the Rangers, Fishsticks, Penguins, Hurricanes, Maple Leafs...all have a chance at Lafreniere.



Canadiens. why can't they be in your conspiracy?



Oh they're very much in the conspiracy. :) I was just listing off teams that have a shot at Lafreniere.


If the Habs lose to the Pens they have a shot at #1. And with him being a Montreal kid (and the draft was supposed to be in MTL), the conspiracy flames would be pretty strong.
RE: RE: RE: I'd like to add  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2020 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14925606 FearTheHippo said:
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Any team that has a pick 9 or above I'd be seriously tempted to take Jan Mysak. He is one of those players I think is underrated.

If they finished out the 2020 Spring he'd be top 10 IMO, instead he's mid-teens early 20's.



Nice, I always like a Czech. Any forwards in this draft you're particularly high on?

I haven't watched any top prospects play this year so I am in the dark. It would be great if we could develop a center who could hold his own in the faceoff circle.


Other than the big names I list below (excluding D):

Lafreniere (better than Hughes/Kakko, not quite McDavid)

Byfield (6'4 215 pounds as a 17 year old - insane combo of size and skill - a raw Eric Lindros - who may never become Lindros)

Stutzle (can be C, and oozes skill)

The Swedes (Holtz and Raymond)

Marco Rossi: small, but can score - like Caufield but a C

Cole Perfetti: maybe best pure goal scorer in the draft

Anton Lundell: prototype 2-way center - with the same sound fundamentals a lot of the Fins have

so after those guys the very few D's rated near the top of the draft who will be overdrafted and Askarov I like (as sleepers):

Mysak
Hendrix Lapierre
Rodion Amirov
Noel Gunler
Jack Quinn and Dylan Holloway (not really sleepers, they're slated to go early to mid teens)
Thomas Bordeleau (top rated US forward)
Martin Chromiak
Jacob Perreault

pjcas18  
Jay in Toronto : 6/27/2020 3:59 pm : link
I know you have been hi on him for a while. I assume you know that Pronman doesn't have him as first round.

I've asked him, I'll see if he responds 😊
Sorry  
Jay in Toronto : 6/27/2020 3:59 pm : link
Jan Mysak
I know  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2020 4:06 pm : link
I think players like Mysak would have risen if they were able to finish the season and the combine/showcase tourneys.

He's one of those players every time I watch a game he plays he stands out.

I like him.
RE: I know  
Jay in Toronto : 6/27/2020 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14925618 pjcas18 said:
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I think players like Mysak would have risen if they were able to finish the season and the combine/showcase tourneys.

He's one of those players every time I watch a game he plays he stands out.

I like him.


It's interesting to speculate how this cut off (especially when we are speaking of someone seventeen or eighteen) will affect scouting and selection. Teams with more advanced and/or appropriate protocols that can identify about-to-be risers will have an advantage.

I think your Habs with so many picks will be in good shape. The odds of hitting on such players are higher.

It's a bit like college recruiting (dealing with the same age range). I think this gives teams like UW (that historically gets on guys early based on their criteria and typically eschews the 'star' system) have an advantage this year.
hearing pj's takes on things  
ColHowPepper : 6/27/2020 4:57 pm : link
is like going to Delphi to hear the Oracle.

He doesn't even have to be right, but the authoritative character in which pj declares his picks and pans is good stuff
This is  
PaulN : 6/27/2020 5:06 pm : link
A great draft, and its deep, both first round selections will be very good players. The 2 Ranger selections.
PaulN, Pjcas  
Jay in Toronto : 6/27/2020 5:11 pm : link
I think there is more uncertainty than usual in the next 90 or so players, which should make it interesting.

The guy in the link below seems to give Mysiak soem credence
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PJ  
Jay on the Island : 6/27/2020 5:44 pm : link
What are your thoughts on Jamie Drysdale? Any chance he falls to the Devils at 7? I know that some prefer Jake Sanderson but Drysdale is considered the best defenseman by most.
RE: hearing pj's takes on things  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2020 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14925632 ColHowPepper said:
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is like going to Delphi to hear the Oracle.

He doesn't even have to be right, but the authoritative character in which pj declares his picks and pans is good stuff


LOL, I don't ever pretend to be right. NHL draft is like MLB draft, such a crapshoot - these are 17 or 18 year old kids. For example in NFL terms it's like looking at the 5 star high school recruits (or whatever they're called) go from high school to college - and then look at how many become good pros? My guess is not many.

You're evaluating 17 and 18 year olds to see how they're going to grow physically and mentally and compete at that level.

I am NOT a scout, but I've played the game since I was 5 years old and I think I can watch and tell who is dominating, but again it's at 17/18 or younger in most cases and it's an educated guess.
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2020 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14925638 Jay on the Island said:
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What are your thoughts on Jamie Drysdale? Any chance he falls to the Devils at 7? I know that some prefer Jake Sanderson but Drysdale is considered the best defenseman by most.


All things being equal I like Sanderson's size better but he needs to add some offense. Drysdale better in transition and with offense today. Who knows how it translates. I think he could fall to the Devils and Drysdale would be a great pick if he did (or Sanderson).
It's a weak draft for D  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2020 5:57 pm : link
and overall I don't think it's being called a deep draft. The first round has a good core 15 or so, and solid 1st round, but I'm not sure the 2nd/3rd etc are anything special.
There was a good article in the Athletic a month or so ago  
Phil in LA : 6/27/2020 5:59 pm : link
that showed you shouldn't draft D's in the first round.
I'm not keeping score  
ColHowPepper : 6/27/2020 6:08 pm : link
but reading a real student of the game's takes is refreshing.

On a different hockey topic, relating to the suits filed by two CHA, OHL and Canadian Juniors against the Associations, Leagues, etc., you probably saw The Athletic article in which a third player essentially affirmed the core substance of the allegations, in depth and dramatically.

https://theathletic.com/1889350/2020/06/25/dan-fritsche-says-he-was-also-abused-in-junior-hockey-will-join-daniel-carcillo-lawsuit/
generally I think the NHL has been well run under Bettman  
Torrag : 6/27/2020 6:28 pm : link
occasionally though things like this idiotic Draft methodology creep in, and I just shake my head.

RE: generally I think the NHL has been well run under Bettman  
FearTheHippo : 6/28/2020 11:07 am : link
In comment 14925646 Torrag said:
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occasionally though things like this idiotic Draft methodology creep in, and I just shake my head.


Is it just me, or is the solution to what everyone hates about the lottery really simple? Just limit how many times a decade a team can win each slot in the lottery. So if a team won the #1 pick last year, the best they could win the next year would be #2. There are plenty of complications of course, like draft picks teams have traded for, but the basic concept isn't too out there.

The only thing I dislike about the current system is that it has allowed Edmonton to win the top pick 4 times since 2010, which is nuts.
RE: RE: generally I think the NHL has been well run under Bettman  
Jay in Toronto : 6/28/2020 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14925772 FearTheHippo said:
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In comment 14925646 Torrag said:


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occasionally though things like this idiotic Draft methodology creep in, and I just shake my head.




Is it just me, or is the solution to what everyone hates about the lottery really simple? Just limit how many times a decade a team can win each slot in the lottery. So if a team won the #1 pick last year, the best they could win the next year would be #2. There are plenty of complications of course, like draft picks teams have traded for, but the basic concept isn't too out there.

The only thing I dislike about the current system is that it has allowed Edmonton to win the top pick 4 times since 2010, which is nuts.


I like your idea except for the fact that the whole point is to help awful teams (except tanking teams).

There should be some mechanism re awful teams that are awful because how poorly run they are (like Edmonton).

Rangers prospect  
pjcas18 : 6/28/2020 9:46 pm : link
Nils Lundqvist (a phenomenal prospect) decides to play another year in Sweden, promptly gets ripped by asshole fans.

social media sucks, and people suck.
Reasonable  
Phil in LA : 6/28/2020 9:55 pm : link
decision by the kid, who realizes there will be a backlog if TDA gets extended.
Sorry to hear Nils isn't coming over  
Torrag : 6/28/2020 9:59 pm : link
but in the current global situation you can understand it. He certainly shouldn't be harassed about it.
Sounds  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2020 10:14 am : link
like the decision on hub cities could be made public today.

Vegas still thought to be one. Not sure Edmonton is anymore.

Toronto maybe.
not to mention that Sweden, virtually alone  
ColHowPepper : 6/29/2020 11:20 am : link
among developed countries, adopted a policy on covid from the get go not to shelter in place or shut down the economy. Infections and hospitalizations are now trending strongly up, compared, e.g., to neighboring Norway, where the curve has flattened strongly. Anxiety is up there.

Moreover, when Swedes or citizens of EC generally look at USA, flights from which EC is considering banning (or has banned?), and US is perceived pretty much world wide as having badly mis-managed its response to covid, not hard to understand his position.
RE: Rangers prospect  
Jay in Toronto : 6/29/2020 11:28 am : link
In comment 14925950 pjcas18 said:
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Nils Lundqvist (a phenomenal prospect) decides to play another year in Sweden, promptly gets ripped by asshole fans.

social media sucks, and people suck.


Good decision re Covid. Only issue is if we trade TDA or Trouba
Jay,  
ColHowPepper : 6/29/2020 11:49 am : link
On trades, I'll posit that with uncertainty on state of play so high, not only this season but imo next as well, League GMs may not be looking at trades through conventional lens. I think level of conservatism is likely higher. That doesn't mean what you suggest can't or won't happen.
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pjcas18 : 6/29/2020 3:08 pm : link
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A total of 15 players have tested positive for #COVID19 as of June 29th.

In addition, since June 8th, the #NHL is aware of 11 additional positive cases outside of the Phase 2 Protocol.

That’s 26 players total... and they’re still considering playing?
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RE: Jay,  
Jay in Toronto : 6/29/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14926174 ColHowPepper said:
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On trades, I'll posit that with uncertainty on state of play so high, not only this season but imo next as well, League GMs may not be looking at trades through conventional lens. I think level of conservatism is likely higher. That doesn't mean what you suggest can't or won't happen.


I agree -- the odds are really low. Even so, I wish there was some kind of 'buyout' clause. As it stands now, he can join after their playoffs, though if he plays for Sweden (likely) we may not see him till G+Fall 2021.
What???  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2020 6:39 pm : link
this can't be real.

Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
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Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.
RE: Rangers prospect  
Percy : 6/29/2020 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14925950 pjcas18 said:
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Nils Lundqvist (a phenomenal prospect) decides to play another year in Sweden, promptly gets ripped by asshole fans.

social media sucks, and people suck.


!

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pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 10:01 am : link
Edmonton and Toronto  
Jay in Toronto : 6/30/2020 10:49 am : link
wouldn't the Canadian Government have to lift all kinds cross-border entry restrictions?
RE: Edmonton and Toronto  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 10:53 am : link
In comment 14926671 Jay in Toronto said:
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wouldn't the Canadian Government have to lift all kinds cross-border entry restrictions?


Both countries. Right now there is a mutual closure, so as of now yes, in a few weeks who knows, but regardless i read that NHL teams and their personnel would be considered essential and allowed to cross the borders freely (or however essential travelers can cross).

Bluejays probably same thing. Raptors are playing in Orlando so they had to/will have to quarantine.
RE: What???  
FearTheHippo : 6/30/2020 11:04 am : link
In comment 14926422 pjcas18 said:
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this can't be real.

Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
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Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.


Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my impression that Price has not always had the best relationship with the fan base in Montreal. After all, these are the same fans who ran one of the greatest goalies in the history of the game out of town, after he won them the cup.

Price might be thinking something like "if we win this series and miss out on a chance at Lafreniere, I might never be forgiven." Of course, it could just be concern over the health of himself and his family.
RE: RE: What???  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 11:22 am : link
In comment 14926689 FearTheHippo said:
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In comment 14926422 pjcas18 said:


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this can't be real.

Andrew Fillipponi
@ThePoniExpress
· 2h
Pierre McGuire on @937theFan: "I think it's 40/60 Carey Price plays for Montreal in this tournament." Wow.



Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my impression that Price has not always had the best relationship with the fan base in Montreal. After all, these are the same fans who ran one of the greatest goalies in the history of the game out of town, after he won them the cup.

Price might be thinking something like "if we win this series and miss out on a chance at Lafreniere, I might never be forgiven." Of course, it could just be concern over the health of himself and his family.


Yes, there was a stretch a couple years ago when Price was struggling the fans were merciless.

Habs fans are the worst (when the team isn't doing well).

I don't think it has to do with Lafreniere - and I'm not even sure this is true.
RE: RE: Edmonton and Toronto  
Jay in Toronto : 6/30/2020 11:27 am : link
In comment 14926675 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14926671 Jay in Toronto said:


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wouldn't the Canadian Government have to lift all kinds cross-border entry restrictions?



Both countries. Right now there is a mutual closure, so as of now yes, in a few weeks who knows, but regardless i read that NHL teams and their personnel would be considered essential and allowed to cross the borders freely (or however essential travelers can cross).

Bluejays probably same thing. Raptors are playing in Orlando so they had to/will have to quarantine.


I think the quaratine rules are different>

I know that I as a returning Canadian I would have to stay in my residence and not leave for 2 weeks. In the beginning it was an honour system. Now there are spot checks with heavy fines (as it should be, IMO).
I don't think essential workers  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 11:30 am : link
quarantine on either side of the border.

and the NHL teams would be considered essential, however, the point of the hubs is to make it you stay there until the finals.

so there wouldn't be a back and forth until the finals and then if both hubs are in the same country - even then there wouldn't be back and forth.

At most (in theory) you're looking at two trips max - the hub and home when you're team is eliminated.
For Rangers fans  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 12:59 pm : link
nice article from Forever Blueshirts about Kravtsov.

I know many fans are hard asses with the younger high draft picks, but reading this makes me feel like with Lias Andersson that the Rangers don't seem like they're treating these high draft picks as "investments".

Not saying coddle them like kids, but they're young men, in a new country (potentially) and maturity, comfort, emotional well being - all probably lead to more success on ice.

At least IMO that's how I'd consider it.
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This is important  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 3:55 pm : link
for some players.

Blain Potvin
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The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
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RE: This is important  
JayBinQueens : 6/30/2020 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14926889 pjcas18 said:
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for some players.

Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo

Is this what the Isles are dealing with w/ Sorokin?
RE: RE: This is important  
pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14926891 JayBinQueens said:
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for some players.

Blain Potvin
@BlainPotvin_THW
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3m
The #NHL has agreed in principle terms to allow recently signed RFAs to play this summer. Still needs to be ratified by the NHLPA. Nothing guaranteed yet but it's one step closer to reality.
@HabsUnfiltered
#Habs #GoHabsGo


Is this what the Isles are dealing with w/ Sorokin?


Yes - I believe so - assuming Sorokin signed his ELC, and Alex Romanov for the Habs and others in the same boat.

One of those guys can sort of provide a similar boost to a team like McAvoy did for Boston a couple years ago.
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pjcas18 : 6/30/2020 5:21 pm : link
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For the first time in more than a month, sounds like Vegas is no longer a frontrunner to host an #NHL hub city. Spike in COVID-19 numbers in Vegas appears to have put a damper on their bid.

As @TSNBobMcKenzie reported, very possible both hubs cities are in Canada
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I know there's a lot at stake and you want to make the right choice,  
Mad Mike : 6/30/2020 5:40 pm : link
Vegas being an example of the value in patience, but the NHL picking hub cities is making Hamlet look like a guy who really trusted his gut.
Some speculation on Twitter that if Lindy Ruff leaves the Rangers,  
Anakim : 6/30/2020 9:11 pm : link
Quinn could bring in Scott Stevens to run the D


Now that would be something...
RE: Some speculation on Twitter that if Lindy Ruff leaves the Rangers,  
Jay in Toronto : 7/1/2020 9:24 am : link
In comment 14927056 Anakim said:
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Quinn could bring in Scott Stevens to run the D


Now that would be something...


I was a voice of doubt on Ruff, but recently a lot of more credible voices have chimed in on Ruff's positive influence on the young D guys like Tony D, Fox and Lindgren
The CBA extension being negotiated in conjunction with return to play  
Mad Mike : 7/1/2020 9:40 am : link
reportedly includes Olympic participation in 2022 (Beijing) and 2026 (Italy).
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Lindy Ruff  
pjcas18 : 7/1/2020 9:46 am : link
is rumored to be a candidate for the Devils job.

I'm not a fan and I have not really defended Ruff per se, what I have defended is fans blaming Ruff for the Rangers defensive woes. Did Ruff plateau Skjei's development? I think that began before Ruff. Did Ruff make Trouba not shine offensively? Is Ruff to blame for Staal? But no credit given for the emergence of DeAngelo or Fox?

The system matters more than the defensive coach IMO. They work in concert - if the Rangers implemented a left wing lock for example, the D would have a lot better stats. Their zone entries allowed would be a lot better. If you care about things like that.

So, while I am not a fan of Ruff - especially as a head coach, I also don't blame him for the Rangers D deficiencies.
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