I'm not a fan and I have not really defended Ruff per se, what I have defended is fans blaming Ruff for the Rangers defensive woes. Did Ruff plateau Skjei's development? I think that began before Ruff. Did Ruff make Trouba not shine offensively? Is Ruff to blame for Staal? But no credit given for the emergence of DeAngelo or Fox?
The system matters more than the defensive coach IMO. They work in concert - if the Rangers implemented a left wing lock for example, the D would have a lot better stats. Their zone entries allowed would be a lot better. If you care about things like that.
So, while I am not a fan of Ruff - especially as a head coach, I also don't blame him for the Rangers D deficiencies.
Trouba has never shined offensively. He's never topped 10 goals and only once has exceeded 35 points. A slightly better version, maybe if that, than McDonaugh. Its why I thought the Rangers overpaid there. This organization for whatever reason has never been great at identifying/scouting defensive talent. Maybe as you say its the systems - I know AV's system put a lot of pressure on defenders anyway.
Thankfully Fox fell into our lap at least - he looks like the best young defender we've had in a real long time.
MAB, fans were pissed that Trouba didn't become Subban.
He was never that player nor should he be expected to be that player.
And the blame Ruff took was misdirected IMO.
I fully admit I don't exactly know the real responsibility and impact the coach responsible for the D has on an NHL staff (I doubt any of us does), but I know he doesn't turn talent into horseshit or vice versa. In my head I imagine it's the fundamentals they work on, D to D reverses, maybe faceoff responsibility, communication with each other and the goalie, D pairings, line changes, etc, maybe zone exits - but zone exits/breakout is mostly system and on the head coach IMO.
but the ire was misplaced.
Still don't like Ruff, but I don't blame him for Skjei (not improving), Staal (being shitty), Smith (being shitty) or Trouba (not living up to expectations)
RE: The CBA extension being negotiated in conjunction with return to play
reportedly includes Olympic participation in 2022 (Beijing) and 2026 (Italy). link - ( New Window )
No idea how I missed this post, thanks for sharing his, Olympic participation is huge and so many players want it. I bet someone like Ovi might have considered retiring in 2022 if no Olympics. I think he even said something like "I'm playing I don't care what the NHL says"
who knows what pandemic will be around in China in 2022, but hopefully we get NHL players in the Olympics.
Ryan Rishaug
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Principles involved remaining tight lipped on details late in the game, understandably considering how fast things can change - (Vegas, Vancouver.) Final criteria as it relates to Edmonton bid are being worked through with the league...
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None of the remaining issues are viewed as potential snags like we saw in Vancouver. As we reported last week, the Province has signed off on all health and safety requirements from the league...
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Additionally, can report that the 6 required ice surfaces will be Rogers Place, the Downtown Community Arena, and the 4 surfaces at the Terwillegar Rec Centre (which will require bussing)
and i know this isnt their preference or the way they thought things would go... but it feels more right somehow with this entire tournament taking place in Canada.
and i know this isnt their preference or the way they thought things would go... but it feels more right somehow with this entire tournament taking place in Canada.
They deserve to watch some high level hockey after so many years of watching the Oilers be awful.
I don't think fans will be there, right?
either way, fair point eve though I have a hard time feeling bad for any fans of any team, though right now with McDavid and Draistl, Nugent-Hopkins, etc. EDM fans are being treated well.
Was never a fan at any of his coaching stops. Never wanted him in NY and don't think he did a good job with the D while here. Fox coming in as NHL ready as any player in recent history and one year of TDA having a big points year but still sucking in his own zone doesn't change that.
Hard to get a feel for what the trade market and activity will be as things normalize but I'd be looking to trade DeAngelo. His lack of size and grit combined with poor decision making in his own end just don't profile as a guy I want around long term. I wonder if his outspoken persona on social media etc will make him harder to deal?
Edmonton is a good choice to host the tournament. Can you imagine how close the camera placements are going to be in some of these rinks? NHL playoffs up close and personal.
In little more than a week we'll have players reporting
but something tells me Toronto'ians (word?) will have trouble social distancing and masking during Leafs playoff games... or playoff games period for that matter. Its a religion.
They better be prepared to move locations in round 2-3 once the 14 day incubation sets in!
I'm not a fan and I have not really defended Ruff per se, what I have defended is fans blaming Ruff for the Rangers defensive woes. Did Ruff plateau Skjei's development? I think that began before Ruff. Did Ruff make Trouba not shine offensively? Is Ruff to blame for Staal? But no credit given for the emergence of DeAngelo or Fox?
The system matters more than the defensive coach IMO. They work in concert - if the Rangers implemented a left wing lock for example, the D would have a lot better stats. Their zone entries allowed would be a lot better. If you care about things like that.
So, while I am not a fan of Ruff - especially as a head coach, I also don't blame him for the Rangers D deficiencies.
Trouba has never shined offensively. He's never topped 10 goals and only once has exceeded 35 points. A slightly better version, maybe if that, than McDonaugh. Its why I thought the Rangers overpaid there. This organization for whatever reason has never been great at identifying/scouting defensive talent. Maybe as you say its the systems - I know AV's system put a lot of pressure on defenders anyway.
Thankfully Fox fell into our lap at least - he looks like the best young defender we've had in a real long time.
He was never that player nor should he be expected to be that player.
And the blame Ruff took was misdirected IMO.
I fully admit I don't exactly know the real responsibility and impact the coach responsible for the D has on an NHL staff (I doubt any of us does), but I know he doesn't turn talent into horseshit or vice versa. In my head I imagine it's the fundamentals they work on, D to D reverses, maybe faceoff responsibility, communication with each other and the goalie, D pairings, line changes, etc, maybe zone exits - but zone exits/breakout is mostly system and on the head coach IMO.
but the ire was misplaced.
Still don't like Ruff, but I don't blame him for Skjei (not improving), Staal (being shitty), Smith (being shitty) or Trouba (not living up to expectations)
No idea how I missed this post, thanks for sharing his, Olympic participation is huge and so many players want it. I bet someone like Ovi might have considered retiring in 2022 if no Olympics. I think he even said something like "I'm playing I don't care what the NHL says"
who knows what pandemic will be around in China in 2022, but hopefully we get NHL players in the Olympics.
ASS - ( New Window )
Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
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3m
Principles involved remaining tight lipped on details late in the game, understandably considering how fast things can change - (Vegas, Vancouver.) Final criteria as it relates to Edmonton bid are being worked through with the league...
Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
·
2m
None of the remaining issues are viewed as potential snags like we saw in Vancouver. As we reported last week, the Province has signed off on all health and safety requirements from the league...
Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
·
2m
Additionally, can report that the 6 required ice surfaces will be Rogers Place, the Downtown Community Arena, and the 4 surfaces at the Terwillegar Rec Centre (which will require bussing)
I think that's where they're headed.
I don't think fans will be there, right?
either way, fair point eve though I have a hard time feeling bad for any fans of any team, though right now with McDavid and Draistl, Nugent-Hopkins, etc. EDM fans are being treated well.
Forever Blueshirts
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Rangers will play in Toronto if hub city vote passes #NHL #NYR #PlayLikeANewYorker
Hard to get a feel for what the trade market and activity will be as things normalize but I'd be looking to trade DeAngelo. His lack of size and grit combined with poor decision making in his own end just don't profile as a guy I want around long term. I wonder if his outspoken persona on social media etc will make him harder to deal?
Edmonton is a good choice to host the tournament. Can you imagine how close the camera placements are going to be in some of these rinks? NHL playoffs up close and personal.
They better be prepared to move locations in round 2-3 once the 14 day incubation sets in!