I know some had questions how he was recovering because he was still in a boot and, no, this doesn't mean he still doesn't have a lot to prove in terms of playing a whole season but good news is good news. Link - ( New Window )
That has all the completions Eloi threw in SB42 and it also has this stat:
Quote:
Eli Manning had five "big-time throws" in Super Bowl 42. Those five throws, four of which came in the fourth quarter, are the second-most big-time throws in Super Bowl history (according to PFF.)
How much does he weigh has he made it to 250 yet came into the league at 235+ as big WR playing TE. Just not sure what we have in him glass man, invisible man, small TE or a complete teaser. In reality the Giants have way more of these type of players then we really need looks the part but comes up way short on the field.
How much does he weigh has he made it to 250 yet came into the league at 235+ as big WR playing TE. Just not sure what we have in him glass man, invisible man, small TE or a complete teaser. In reality the Giants have way more of these type of players then we really need looks the part but comes up way short on the field.
I recall Engram losing weight AFTER his rookie year to improve his quickness not his blocking? Or do I have it backwards?? Regardless, he just can't block but he is capable receiving.
Ya gotta line him up accordingly to create mis-matches with his 4.42 speed.
podcast available, I hear again and again from folks who actually dove into and analyzed Engrams 2019 tape, that his blocking "has come a long way" or "is under-rated". This from multiple sources, several of whom were not Giants' affiliates. Others who are Giants affiliates, like Schmeelk, admitted to being pleasantly surprised by their review of Engram's tape.
Except of course from "the mouth breathers" here on BBI, who don't need to actually review the past year's tape to have entrenched judgements.
SMH.
Maybe you're right. Found this from last year with Engram saying
but I didn't say it was MY opinion that Engram's blocking has greatly improved.
I cited others' opinions, and didn't relate my own thoughts because, err, well, I haven't studied Engram's 2019 tape for blocking. Unlike the many BBI experts on TE blocking, like yourself.
you will see he notes that Engram made the key block early in game 1 versus Dallas that sprung Barkley on a big gain.
However, he basically is critical of his blocking in all the games after that including Buffalo, Wash, Minn, Detroit and second Dallas game. Remember he only played a few games.
In one review, Sy suggests Engram's blocking has actually regressed.
So there's that.
FYI - here is a section of Sy's review versus Dallas
Evan Engram: 6 rec / 48 yards. Engram has regressed as a blocker. DAL has given him issues a few times in his young career, in particular DeMarcus Lawrence, but some of the tackles he allows are unacceptable. On a run to the opposite side, Engram’s man is coming across his face and still making the play. That isn’t a difficult assignment. Maybe TE should be elevated on the NYG needs list and Engram needs to be a wide receiver who, every now and then, starts the play on the line. Year 3 and he still stinks in there, that won’t change.
Now, I may not be an expert on blocking like you suggest but the above doesn't sound too good.
the best among the big 4 OT this past year, and probably the Giants' choice to be at 4.
While it's far from settled as to who will be the best OT from this year's draft, in fact Wirfs was the last of the 4 to be drafted, despite his crazy good combine which blew the other 3 guys measureables in shorts out of the water.
OK, Wirfs still went top 15, but Thomas was appearently the most highly regarded OT in this class among virtually all NFL GMs.
Maybe offensive line blocking isn't Sy's strongest suit?
the best among the big 4 OT this past year, and probably the Giants' choice to be at 4.
While it's far from settled as to who will be the best OT from this year's draft, in fact Wirfs was the last of the 4 to be drafted, despite his crazy good combine which blew the other 3 guys measureables in shorts out of the water.
OK, Wirfs still went top 15, but Thomas was appearently the most highly regarded OT in this class among virtually all NFL GMs.
Maybe offensive line blocking isn't Sy's strongest suit?
BlueLou, your original thoughts in this thread were fine but now you just sound ridiculous. What does the draft have to do with evaluating Engram as a blocker? They are different things. Every team values different characteristics in players. Sy also said numerous times before the draft that he believed Andrew Thomas was number one on our list because he matches the profile of OL drafted by Gettleman in the past. Stop trying to discredit Sy to fit your point. Why can't it be as simple as Engram may not be as bad as everyone thinks? Evaluating how a person blocks isn't the same as evaluating them as a draft pick.
RE: FYI - here is a section of Sy's review versus Dallas
Evan Engram: 6 rec / 48 yards. Engram has regressed as a blocker. DAL has given him issues a few times in his young career, in particular DeMarcus Lawrence, but some of the tackles he allows are unacceptable. On a run to the opposite side, Engram’s man is coming across his face and still making the play. That isn’t a difficult assignment. Maybe TE should be elevated on the NYG needs list and Engram needs to be a wide receiver who, every now and then, starts the play on the line. Year 3 and he still stinks in there, that won’t change.
Now, I may not be an expert on blocking like you suggest but the above doesn't sound too good.
My point about Gonzo and Ertz and many others is they weren't known as good blockers. They made their bones thanks to great receiving skills. Coaching and scheme covered up or assited in the blocking area but many TEs succeed in the NFL despite lacking good blocking skills. You can not only work around it, you can coach it. You can't coach Engram's receiving talents.
HE just needs to play. If he misses 2 games a year from now on he will be an NYG staple for years to come.
djm - i understood your point but it was really on point
because Gonzalez actually turned himself into an accomplished blocker over his HOF career. Of course he was insanely great as a receiver but you will find many comments from his former coaches/peers about how hard he worked at blocking and it paid off in their running games.
As to Ertz, I would suggest he was as bad as Engram is now when he started in the NFL. While probably not considered "good" yet, Ertz has measurably improved this skill over time. Hopefully Engram does the same.
RE: djm - i understood your point but it was really on point
because Gonzalez actually turned himself into an accomplished blocker over his HOF career. Of course he was insanely great as a receiver but you will find many comments from his former coaches/peers about how hard he worked at blocking and it paid off in their running games.
As to Ertz, I would suggest he was as bad as Engram is now when he started in the NFL. While probably not considered "good" yet, Ertz has measurably improved this skill over time. Hopefully Engram does the same.
Engram's blocking is horrible indeed and has been noted since his rookie year. He didn't improve from year 1 to 2. He didn't improve from year 2 to year 3. Engram has to want it and perhaps this training camp we'll see how bad he wants it.
Engram just has to be serviceable and not allow defenders to "blow him up" almost play in, play out. I actually would not be surprised if 2nd year player K. Smith, due to his solid blocking, will emerge as the primary TE who blocks for Barkley; helps the rookie OT Thomas and aging Solder out; and, catches those short passes that move the chains.
Engram needs to be used to create mis-matches. If in camp he shows his blocking has improved by a lot, well, if he stays healthy too we have a super solid TE who can go 75-950-8 (assuming 16 games). He is that fast and talented. Lastly, hope he learns to concentrate better and hang onto the easy ones.
You know when the Giants had Tight Ends that were decent
blockers? When they had Defensive Ends that were worth a damn, and provided somebody to test them and get them ready for sunday. This has been a soft spot for a few years now.
To see him moving around so well. Maybe the reason the team neglected to go after any of the top receivers in the draft is that they know what they have in Engram a "Mike Evans" type RECEIVER.
If not, the whole NFL knows he's an exceptional athlete (and therefore can yield a good return in a trade).
I've given up on his blocking other than getting in the way of a defender and running interference. I just want him to stay healthy for a full season.
Not for nothing but the difference in how well Gonzalez blocked versus Engram was night and day. And Ertz versus Engram is evening and day.
Ya gotta line him up accordingly to create mis-matches with his 4.42 speed.
Except of course from "the mouth breathers" here on BBI, who don't need to actually review the past year's tape to have entrenched judgements.
SMH.
https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/evan-engram-bringing-improved-blocking-to-giants-its-crazy-how-much-better-i-have-gotten/310120150
I cited others' opinions, and didn't relate my own thoughts because, err, well, I haven't studied Engram's 2019 tape for blocking. Unlike the many BBI experts on TE blocking, like yourself.
NOT.
However, he basically is critical of his blocking in all the games after that including Buffalo, Wash, Minn, Detroit and second Dallas game. Remember he only played a few games.
In one review, Sy suggests Engram's blocking has actually regressed.
So there's that.
Now, I may not be an expert on blocking like you suggest but the above doesn't sound too good.
While it's far from settled as to who will be the best OT from this year's draft, in fact Wirfs was the last of the 4 to be drafted, despite his crazy good combine which blew the other 3 guys measureables in shorts out of the water.
OK, Wirfs still went top 15, but Thomas was appearently the most highly regarded OT in this class among virtually all NFL GMs.
Maybe offensive line blocking isn't Sy's strongest suit?
While it's far from settled as to who will be the best OT from this year's draft, in fact Wirfs was the last of the 4 to be drafted, despite his crazy good combine which blew the other 3 guys measureables in shorts out of the water.
OK, Wirfs still went top 15, but Thomas was appearently the most highly regarded OT in this class among virtually all NFL GMs.
Maybe offensive line blocking isn't Sy's strongest suit?
BlueLou, your original thoughts in this thread were fine but now you just sound ridiculous. What does the draft have to do with evaluating Engram as a blocker? They are different things. Every team values different characteristics in players. Sy also said numerous times before the draft that he believed Andrew Thomas was number one on our list because he matches the profile of OL drafted by Gettleman in the past. Stop trying to discredit Sy to fit your point. Why can't it be as simple as Engram may not be as bad as everyone thinks? Evaluating how a person blocks isn't the same as evaluating them as a draft pick.
Now, I may not be an expert on blocking like you suggest but the above doesn't sound too good.
My point about Gonzo and Ertz and many others is they weren't known as good blockers. They made their bones thanks to great receiving skills. Coaching and scheme covered up or assited in the blocking area but many TEs succeed in the NFL despite lacking good blocking skills. You can not only work around it, you can coach it. You can't coach Engram's receiving talents.
HE just needs to play. If he misses 2 games a year from now on he will be an NYG staple for years to come.
As to Ertz, I would suggest he was as bad as Engram is now when he started in the NFL. While probably not considered "good" yet, Ertz has measurably improved this skill over time. Hopefully Engram does the same.
As to Ertz, I would suggest he was as bad as Engram is now when he started in the NFL. While probably not considered "good" yet, Ertz has measurably improved this skill over time. Hopefully Engram does the same.
Engram just has to be serviceable and not allow defenders to "blow him up" almost play in, play out. I actually would not be surprised if 2nd year player K. Smith, due to his solid blocking, will emerge as the primary TE who blocks for Barkley; helps the rookie OT Thomas and aging Solder out; and, catches those short passes that move the chains.
Engram needs to be used to create mis-matches. If in camp he shows his blocking has improved by a lot, well, if he stays healthy too we have a super solid TE who can go 75-950-8 (assuming 16 games). He is that fast and talented. Lastly, hope he learns to concentrate better and hang onto the easy ones.
I never felt that way about Moss. I thought he sucked from day one.
To see him moving around so well. Maybe the reason the team neglected to go after any of the top receivers in the draft is that they know what they have in Engram a "Mike Evans" type RECEIVER.
If not, the whole NFL knows he's an exceptional athlete (and therefore can yield a good return in a trade).