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Evan Engram workout video

robbieballs2003 : 6/29/2020 4:18 pm
I know some had questions how he was recovering because he was still in a boot and, no, this doesn't mean he still doesn't have a lot to prove in terms of playing a whole season but good news is good news.
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Any blocking drills?  
EricJ : 6/29/2020 4:22 pm : link
lol
There's a tweet down a few from that one you linked  
montanagiant : 6/29/2020 4:24 pm : link
That has all the completions Eloi threw in SB42 and it also has this stat:
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Eli Manning had five "big-time throws" in Super Bowl 42. Those five throws, four of which came in the fourth quarter, are the second-most big-time throws in Super Bowl history (according to PFF.)

Eli I mean  
montanagiant : 6/29/2020 4:25 pm : link
.
Did he  
cjac : 6/29/2020 4:34 pm : link
get injured?
I hope there's an ambulance on the premisis  
Victor in CT : 6/29/2020 4:36 pm : link
;-)
"He  
MTN-G-man : 6/29/2020 5:13 pm : link
got toe jamb football."
Was hoping to see him working the  
LBH15 : 6/29/2020 5:23 pm : link
blocking sled in that video.
RE: Any blocking drills?  
US1 Giants : 6/29/2020 5:32 pm : link
In comment 14926353 EricJ said:
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lol


I've given up on his blocking other than getting in the way of a defender and running interference. I just want him to stay healthy for a full season.
Except none of his injuries occurred while he was blocking.  
LBH15 : 6/29/2020 6:13 pm : link
And something tells me Judge and company aren’t going to give up on him becoming a better blocker. How could he not get better actually?
Really excited to see what Engram can do this year  
Giants in 07 : 6/29/2020 6:35 pm : link
in the 6 games he'll play.
If he plays every game  
djm : 6/29/2020 7:01 pm : link
No one will care about his blocking. Just play. Tony gonzo didn’t block neither does ertz. Their fans love them.
EE is talented ... maybe it’s time to stop calling him a tight end.  
Spider56 : 6/29/2020 7:03 pm : link
Turn him into an old fashioned wingback .... put him in motion, in the slot, out wide, etc and keep him away from the big guys on the LOS ...
RE: If he plays every game  
LBH15 : 6/29/2020 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14926440 djm said:
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No one will care about his blocking. Just play. Tony gonzo didn’t block neither does ertz. Their fans love them.


Not for nothing but the difference in how well Gonzalez blocked versus Engram was night and day. And Ertz versus Engram is evening and day.
RE: Did he  
St. Jimmy : 6/29/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14926365 cjac said:
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get injured?
This was the first thing that came to mind.
He's going to have to do a lot more than this to regain...  
Torrag : 6/29/2020 10:57 pm : link
the fans trust and faith. Effort isn't enough anymore. We need results. That means a sustained period of durability and production on Sundays.

Quick, send this to interested teams  
widmerseyebrow : 6/29/2020 11:16 pm : link
before he gets hurt again.
Engram  
Dragon : 6/29/2020 11:43 pm : link
How much does he weigh has he made it to 250 yet came into the league at 235+ as big WR playing TE. Just not sure what we have in him glass man, invisible man, small TE or a complete teaser. In reality the Giants have way more of these type of players then we really need looks the part but comes up way short on the field.
Hopefully...  
Brown_Hornet : 6/30/2020 12:05 am : link
... The fans’ trust and faith is the last thing he gives a shit about.

... The fans’ trust and faith is the last thing he gives a shit about.  
Torrag : 6/30/2020 12:51 am : link
Ass backwards logic. Because at this point the only way he ends up with a successful career is if he does exactly that.

RE: Engram  
SGMen : 6/30/2020 1:41 am : link
In comment 14926535 Dragon said:
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How much does he weigh has he made it to 250 yet came into the league at 235+ as big WR playing TE. Just not sure what we have in him glass man, invisible man, small TE or a complete teaser. In reality the Giants have way more of these type of players then we really need looks the part but comes up way short on the field.
I recall Engram losing weight AFTER his rookie year to improve his quickness not his blocking? Or do I have it backwards?? Regardless, he just can't block but he is capable receiving.
Ya gotta line him up accordingly to create mis-matches with his 4.42 speed.
As I continue to listen to every Giants related  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/30/2020 5:32 am : link
podcast available, I hear again and again from folks who actually dove into and analyzed Engrams 2019 tape, that his blocking "has come a long way" or "is under-rated". This from multiple sources, several of whom were not Giants' affiliates. Others who are Giants affiliates, like Schmeelk, admitted to being pleasantly surprised by their review of Engram's tape.

Except of course from "the mouth breathers" here on BBI, who don't need to actually review the past year's tape to have entrenched judgements.

SMH.
Maybe you're right. Found this from last year with Engram saying  
LBH15 : 6/30/2020 8:29 am : link
its crazy how much better he has gotten.

https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/evan-engram-bringing-improved-blocking-to-giants-its-crazy-how-much-better-i-have-gotten/310120150
I know it's difficult for you to grasp the details Goofs,  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/30/2020 8:50 am : link
but I didn't say it was MY opinion that Engram's blocking has greatly improved.

I cited others' opinions, and didn't relate my own thoughts because, err, well, I haven't studied Engram's 2019 tape for blocking. Unlike the many BBI experts on TE blocking, like yourself.


NOT.
For once, my phone's auto spell function  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/30/2020 8:51 am : link
got something right, Goofs!
I hope he stays healthy and plays well  
Jim in Forest Hills : 6/30/2020 8:55 am : link
enough for us to get a high pick at the deadline. Just dont trust him to stay healthy year in and year out.
If you go thru Sy's reviews of the games Engram played in 2019  
LBH15 : 6/30/2020 8:58 am : link
you will see he notes that Engram made the key block early in game 1 versus Dallas that sprung Barkley on a big gain.

However, he basically is critical of his blocking in all the games after that including Buffalo, Wash, Minn, Detroit and second Dallas game. Remember he only played a few games.

In one review, Sy suggests Engram's blocking has actually regressed.

So there's that.
FYI - here is a section of Sy's review versus Dallas  
LBH15 : 6/30/2020 9:16 am : link
Evan Engram: 6 rec / 48 yards. Engram has regressed as a blocker. DAL has given him issues a few times in his young career, in particular DeMarcus Lawrence, but some of the tackles he allows are unacceptable. On a run to the opposite side, Engram’s man is coming across his face and still making the play. That isn’t a difficult assignment. Maybe TE should be elevated on the NYG needs list and Engram needs to be a wide receiver who, every now and then, starts the play on the line. Year 3 and he still stinks in there, that won’t change.


Now, I may not be an expert on blocking like you suggest but the above doesn't sound too good.
Sy is very good, but IIRC he thought Wirfs was  
BlueLou'sBack : 6/30/2020 9:27 am : link
the best among the big 4 OT this past year, and probably the Giants' choice to be at 4.


While it's far from settled as to who will be the best OT from this year's draft, in fact Wirfs was the last of the 4 to be drafted, despite his crazy good combine which blew the other 3 guys measureables in shorts out of the water.

OK, Wirfs still went top 15, but Thomas was appearently the most highly regarded OT in this class among virtually all NFL GMs.

Maybe offensive line blocking isn't Sy's strongest suit?

At this point it might be best if you just  
LBH15 : 6/30/2020 9:31 am : link
stop.
RE: Sy is very good, but IIRC he thought Wirfs was  
robbieballs2003 : 6/30/2020 9:32 am : link
In comment 14926609 BlueLou'sBack said:
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the best among the big 4 OT this past year, and probably the Giants' choice to be at 4.


While it's far from settled as to who will be the best OT from this year's draft, in fact Wirfs was the last of the 4 to be drafted, despite his crazy good combine which blew the other 3 guys measureables in shorts out of the water.

OK, Wirfs still went top 15, but Thomas was appearently the most highly regarded OT in this class among virtually all NFL GMs.

Maybe offensive line blocking isn't Sy's strongest suit?


BlueLou, your original thoughts in this thread were fine but now you just sound ridiculous. What does the draft have to do with evaluating Engram as a blocker? They are different things. Every team values different characteristics in players. Sy also said numerous times before the draft that he believed Andrew Thomas was number one on our list because he matches the profile of OL drafted by Gettleman in the past. Stop trying to discredit Sy to fit your point. Why can't it be as simple as Engram may not be as bad as everyone thinks? Evaluating how a person blocks isn't the same as evaluating them as a draft pick.
RE: FYI - here is a section of Sy's review versus Dallas  
djm : 6/30/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14926607 LBH15 said:
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Evan Engram: 6 rec / 48 yards. Engram has regressed as a blocker. DAL has given him issues a few times in his young career, in particular DeMarcus Lawrence, but some of the tackles he allows are unacceptable. On a run to the opposite side, Engram’s man is coming across his face and still making the play. That isn’t a difficult assignment. Maybe TE should be elevated on the NYG needs list and Engram needs to be a wide receiver who, every now and then, starts the play on the line. Year 3 and he still stinks in there, that won’t change.


Now, I may not be an expert on blocking like you suggest but the above doesn't sound too good.


My point about Gonzo and Ertz and many others is they weren't known as good blockers. They made their bones thanks to great receiving skills. Coaching and scheme covered up or assited in the blocking area but many TEs succeed in the NFL despite lacking good blocking skills. You can not only work around it, you can coach it. You can't coach Engram's receiving talents.

HE just needs to play. If he misses 2 games a year from now on he will be an NYG staple for years to come.
djm - i understood your point but it was really on point  
LBH15 : 6/30/2020 10:15 am : link
because Gonzalez actually turned himself into an accomplished blocker over his HOF career. Of course he was insanely great as a receiver but you will find many comments from his former coaches/peers about how hard he worked at blocking and it paid off in their running games.

As to Ertz, I would suggest he was as bad as Engram is now when he started in the NFL. While probably not considered "good" yet, Ertz has measurably improved this skill over time. Hopefully Engram does the same.
RE: djm - i understood your point but it was really on point  
SGMen : 6/30/2020 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14926644 LBH15 said:
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because Gonzalez actually turned himself into an accomplished blocker over his HOF career. Of course he was insanely great as a receiver but you will find many comments from his former coaches/peers about how hard he worked at blocking and it paid off in their running games.

As to Ertz, I would suggest he was as bad as Engram is now when he started in the NFL. While probably not considered "good" yet, Ertz has measurably improved this skill over time. Hopefully Engram does the same.
Engram's blocking is horrible indeed and has been noted since his rookie year. He didn't improve from year 1 to 2. He didn't improve from year 2 to year 3. Engram has to want it and perhaps this training camp we'll see how bad he wants it.

Engram just has to be serviceable and not allow defenders to "blow him up" almost play in, play out. I actually would not be surprised if 2nd year player K. Smith, due to his solid blocking, will emerge as the primary TE who blocks for Barkley; helps the rookie OT Thomas and aging Solder out; and, catches those short passes that move the chains.

Engram needs to be used to create mis-matches. If in camp he shows his blocking has improved by a lot, well, if he stays healthy too we have a super solid TE who can go 75-950-8 (assuming 16 games). He is that fast and talented. Lastly, hope he learns to concentrate better and hang onto the easy ones.
You know when the Giants had Tight Ends that were decent  
LBH15 : 6/30/2020 1:27 pm : link
blockers? When they had Defensive Ends that were worth a damn, and provided somebody to test them and get them ready for sunday. This has been a soft spot for a few years now.




Hope always springs eternal on BBi  
JohnF : 6/30/2020 4:41 pm : link
Reality? EE is the Sinorice Moss of Tight Ends. Every year people on BBI were waiting for SM to blossom, every year reality set in.
RE: Hope always springs eternal on BBi  
Victor in CT : 6/30/2020 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14926918 JohnF said:
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Reality? EE is the Sinorice Moss of Tight Ends. Every year people on BBI were waiting for SM to blossom, every year reality set in.


I never felt that way about Moss. I thought he sucked from day one.
It's great news ...  
Manny in CA : 7/1/2020 9:02 pm : link

To see him moving around so well. Maybe the reason the team neglected to go after any of the top receivers in the draft is that they know what they have in Engram a "Mike Evans" type RECEIVER.

If not, the whole NFL knows he's an exceptional athlete (and therefore can yield a good return in a trade).

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