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NFT: Bill Simmons: Lebron wanted to be a Knick, Dolan blew it

DanMetroMan : 6/29/2020 5:06 pm
"From everyone I've talked to in the know since then, it's clear that the Knicks were the first choice," Simmons explained. "It was basically the Knicks' to lose, and they just couldn't stay out of their own way. The stories are legendary."

According to Simmons, before opting to sign with the Miami Heat and form a big three with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, James wouldn't even grant the Knicks a second meeting after a first meeting that Simmons called a "disaster."

"Dolan was Dolan," Simmons said about Knicks owner James Dolan. "They didn't have anything prepared. It just couldn't have gone worse by all accounts. It was a disaster. I think at that point, combined with the decade the Knicks just had, I think those guys were just like 'f--k it.'"
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I suspect this was a click-baity story on Simmon's part  
jnoble : 6/29/2020 8:42 pm : link
I don't think LeBron ever was serious about coming to NYK. But everyone loves to hate on Dolan and the Knicks still stink so while it's still a slow news time for the NBA, crap out an article like this
ESPN aired a show the other night  
bceagle05 : 6/29/2020 8:45 pm : link
about Lebron’s “Decision” show back in 2010, so it got people talking a bit. Bottom line: We desperately need new sports content.
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ghost718 : 6/29/2020 8:58 pm : link
RE: RE: i just read that Rose was the one getting  
djm : 6/29/2020 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14926466 Enzo said:
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us Curry, Melo, and Bargnani. Sounds fantastic. I am getting flashbacks of the 90s/00s Knicks teams killing their cap space by trading for names instead of players. We'll see what happens but forgive me if I am not jumping for joy with what has been rumored so far.


Leon may have pushed to get Eddy Curry and Bargs to NY, but it wasn't Leon that didn't protect the picks in the Curry trade or gave up a first rounder for Bargs.


Yeah plus that only proves rose’s abilities as an agent. Honestly I’m going to take this as a positive that the guy can make shit happen. Hopefully he can now help the Knicks take advantage of someone else. That would be a first...
RE: Pfft  
Sonic Youth : 6/29/2020 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14926407 Spider43 said:
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Frig Simmons. LeDiva was never going to come here. Most just use us as leverage.
You can see a lot of thought went into this brain hemorrhage of a post. LaDiva, lol! So witty bro.

Simmons is not the type of guy to bullshit, his podcast is not really the same as sports talk radio, and I've been chiming into the redraftable series and what not.

He's probably right on both accounts and probably has decent sources, and it sounds incredibly believable.

Not sure how someone could read this and blow it off like there isn't a morsel of truth in it.
RE: Yeah  
Sonic Youth : 6/29/2020 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14926431 djm said:
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I’m gonna go with my gut and say that Simmons is full of shit. Simmons was one of the jerkoffs that just knew Lebron was gojng to the Knicks. And then the real world said nope, sorry there Bill, you have no real sources and your made up rumor was bullshit.

What better way to validate your rumors by saying Lebron really did want to go to msg.... sure he did.
Yes, Bill Simmons is trying to cover his ass.... 10 years later....

Come the fuck on lol.
RE: i just read that Rose was the one getting  
mfsd : 6/29/2020 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14926438 robbieballs2003 said:
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us Curry, Melo, and Bargnani. Sounds fantastic. I am getting flashbacks of the 90s/00s Knicks teams killing their cap space by trading for names instead of players. We'll see what happens but forgive me if I am not jumping for joy with what has been rumored so far.


The Knicks were long the place agents and teams knew were suckers for bad contracts. One thing the Knicks have gotten right in recent years...no more stupid deals that eat up cap space.

Now that just have to hire a coach who’s not a putz and figure out how to develop guys into NBA players. 2 things they haven’t been able to do for 20 years.

As for this story, I’ve never believed the Lebron wanted NY story. Screw Bill Simmons.

A good friend was working for the Heat at the time, and she told me 2 days before the decision that LeBron was coming to Miami along with Bosh and Wade. I told her she was full of shit. Joke was on me
2 days before  
Sonic Youth : 6/29/2020 9:07 pm : link
means she was probably right. These meetings weren't 2 days before "The Decision" (ugh I hate using that term, I really do like Lebron but man, I did NOT like him for years after that bullshit media event)
*means she probably did have info...  
Sonic Youth : 6/29/2020 9:07 pm : link
...but I think that would be long after the events Simmons laid out would have happened. Should have phrased it that way
*means she probably did have info...  
Sonic Youth : 6/29/2020 9:08 pm : link
...but I think that would be long after the events Simmons laid out would have happened. Should have phrased it that way
I was duped into thinking LeBron  
section125 : 6/29/2020 9:09 pm : link
was coming...but he wanted his three amigos team....it was not happening. I don't think LeBron was ever coming.

And yes Dolan was the one guy that could mess up a wet dream, so I'll give his story 2% chance of being true
While all of this could be (and likely is) completely true  
tbonfig : 6/29/2020 9:49 pm : link
this also screams of Bill Simmons trying to divert attention away from the heat he has been under recently for the way he builds his staff.
He's a great player  
Svengali : 6/29/2020 10:36 pm : link
But... I just hate him.. I'm sorry. I just can't stand to even look at him. I've been watching the Knicks lose for a long time so of course I want to win but him... ugh.
Please  
Dragon : 6/29/2020 11:18 pm : link
Do you guys really believe anything except what you see Lebron chose Miami it’s that simple let it go no great loss.
Yes...  
Chris L. : 6/30/2020 7:18 am : link
what Svengali said
RE: 2 days before  
mfsd : 6/30/2020 8:39 am : link
In comment 14926495 Sonic Youth said:
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means she was probably right. These meetings weren't 2 days before "The Decision" (ugh I hate using that term, I really do like Lebron but man, I did NOT like him for years after that bullshit media event)


Yup she told me she actually heard from someone from CAA, not from within the Heat. There was a extreme level of secrecy around it all.
It doesn't matter. Who the fuck cares?  
Heisenberg : 6/30/2020 8:42 am : link
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who knows what to believe  
bigbluehoya : 6/30/2020 8:59 am : link
but I'm choosing to view this as just part of the long con of psychological terrorism that the world has been inflicting on Knicks fans for decades.
RE: Please  
TyreeHelmet : 6/30/2020 9:49 am : link
In comment 14926529 Dragon said:
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Do you guys really believe anything except what you see Lebron chose Miami it’s that simple let it go no great loss.


"No great loss" ????
RE: RE: i just read that Rose was the one getting  
TyreeHelmet : 6/30/2020 9:52 am : link
"The Knicks were long the place agents and teams knew were suckers for bad contracts. One thing the Knicks have gotten right in recent years...no more stupid deals that eat up cap space."

Did you not see what happened last off-season? Randle, Portis, Gibson, Ellington, Payton are about 60 million worth of stupid deals....
RE: RE: RE: i just read that Rose was the one getting  
bigbluehoya : 6/30/2020 10:06 am : link
In comment 14926633 TyreeHelmet said:
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Randle, Portis, Gibson, Ellington, Payton are about 60 million worth of stupid deals....


I don't think this is necessarily a fair take. These deals all involve team options and don't hamstring their ability to do things in the near or long term.

Closest one to a bad deal would be Randle, but hardly an immovable contract, and a cheap team opt-out after next season.

Those moves didn't get them anything, but trying to add some level of talent / veteran presence / toughness to the mix for 2019-2020 around RJ / Mitch / Frank was at least noble on paper.

Cap space doesn't roll over, and it ain't my money. I won't laud the front office for last season by any stretch, but it doesn't even hit the radar insofar as historical Knicks-level-stupidity is concerned, in my opinion.
RE: RE: RE: i just read that Rose was the one getting  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2020 10:12 am : link
In comment 14926633 TyreeHelmet said:
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"The Knicks were long the place agents and teams knew were suckers for bad contracts. One thing the Knicks have gotten right in recent years...no more stupid deals that eat up cap space."

Did you not see what happened last off-season? Randle, Portis, Gibson, Ellington, Payton are about 60 million worth of stupid deals....


+5000. Last off-season was an absolute clusterfuck
RE: RE: RE: RE: i just read that Rose was the one getting  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 14926639 bigbluehoya said:
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Randle, Portis, Gibson, Ellington, Payton are about 60 million worth of stupid deals....



I don't think this is necessarily a fair take. These deals all involve team options and don't hamstring their ability to do things in the near or long term.

Closest one to a bad deal would be Randle, but hardly an immovable contract, and a cheap team opt-out after next season.

Those moves didn't get them anything, but trying to add some level of talent / veteran presence / toughness to the mix for 2019-2020 around RJ / Mitch / Frank was at least noble on paper.

Cap space doesn't roll over, and it ain't my money. I won't laud the front office for last season by any stretch, but it doesn't even hit the radar insofar as historical Knicks-level-stupidity is concerned, in my opinion.


They were bad deals that proved they had no "plan" and filled the roster with very limited upside veterans to the detriment of the younger players. You don't need 5-6 of these guys. Taj Gibson? Sure. But you don't need to add Gibson, Ellington, Portis, Bullock AND Payton. Marcus Morris was fine because it was clear he'd have mid-season trade value but in addition to all of the other mediocrity = made no sense.
You know how some people just have a punchable face?  
Danny Kanell : 6/30/2020 10:24 am : link
Bill Simmons might have the most punchable VOICE I've ever heard. Listening to him and Francesa talk over each other when he used to call into Mike was fucking brutal.

What a douchebag.

He's probably right here though lol.
Here's  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2020 10:29 am : link
the bottom line... when the Patriots do something outside of the box, they get the benefit of the doubt. When the Knicks have an off-season where EVERYBODY is questioning what they did... accept it was bad.
It wasn't well executed.  
bigbluehoya : 6/30/2020 10:34 am : link
the point is that it still doesn't even make disc 3 on the box set of Knicks idiocy. Surely agreed that there isn't anything to celebrate from it.
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djm : 6/30/2020 10:35 am : link
In comment 14926491 Sonic Youth said:
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I’m gonna go with my gut and say that Simmons is full of shit. Simmons was one of the jerkoffs that just knew Lebron was gojng to the Knicks. And then the real world said nope, sorry there Bill, you have no real sources and your made up rumor was bullshit.

What better way to validate your rumors by saying Lebron really did want to go to msg.... sure he did.

Yes, Bill Simmons is trying to cover his ass.... 10 years later....

Come the fuck on lol.


You don't think reporters will do this from time to time? Living under a rock?

I don't even care, what's done is done, but if you truly believe that Lebron woke up one day thinking it's NY Knicks or bust, then left the interview saying no way to MSG, I don't know what to tell you, but that's unlikely how it went down.
and it was touched on in this very thread  
djm : 6/30/2020 10:37 am : link
but this whole thing about Donnie Walsh being "too old" and the wheel chair thing, wtf is wrong with people to even think that way? Lebron wasn't coming here because Donnie Walsh was in a wheel chair? THATS what I am supposed to believe? Not only is that ridiculous, it's also ageism, and it's alive and well in this fucked up country of ours.
Donny Walsh  
GGGGmen : 6/30/2020 10:45 am : link
or Pat Riley?

Who do you think was a better fit for a superstar player like LeBron? Probably the guy who coached Magic, personified NBA success and had DWade's trust already.
Very  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2020 11:42 am : link
odd not to do due dillegence but the Cavs apparently have told Killian Hayes agent they will not consider a guard with their lotto pick and will only be speaking to forwards/centers.
RE: Very  
Stu11 : 6/30/2020 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14926721 DanMetroMan said:
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odd not to do due dillegence but the Cavs apparently have told Killian Hayes agent they will not consider a guard with their lotto pick and will only be speaking to forwards/centers.

If he's there and the best available PG I really hope the Knicks don't get all paranoid of players from France because of Weiss/Frank and pass on him. Every player should be treated differently.
RE: Pfft  
Section331 : 6/30/2020 12:50 pm : link
In comment 14926407 Spider43 said:
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Frig Simmons. LeDiva was never going to come here. Most just use us as leverage.


You may be right about LeBron never seriously considering NYK, but he had no need far any leverage.
RE: RE: RE: i just read that Rose was the one getting  
mfsd : 6/30/2020 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14926633 TyreeHelmet said:
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"The Knicks were long the place agents and teams knew were suckers for bad contracts. One thing the Knicks have gotten right in recent years...no more stupid deals that eat up cap space."

Did you not see what happened last off-season? Randle, Portis, Gibson, Ellington, Payton are about 60 million worth of stupid deals....


Oh I agree last off-season was a waste. Difference is, only Randles deal (terrible) goes beyond this coming year...unless I’m forgetting someone?
RE: RE: Very  
DanMetroMan : 6/30/2020 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14926763 Stu11 said:
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In comment 14926721 DanMetroMan said:


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odd not to do due dillegence but the Cavs apparently have told Killian Hayes agent they will not consider a guard with their lotto pick and will only be speaking to forwards/centers.


If he's there and the best available PG I really hope the Knicks don't get all paranoid of players from France because of Weiss/Frank and pass on him. Every player should be treated differently.


He's #2 on my personal "board".
I don't know what to believe.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/30/2020 7:45 pm : link
I heard Windhurst on with Lowe earlier & he made it out to seem that Chicago, not NY, was a real option. Windhurst is buddy buddy with LBJ too.

I don't know if this is Bill trying to needle us fans. Hey Bill, we know we suck. We've sucked for going on 20 years.
RE: I don't know what to believe.  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2020 8:14 pm : link
In comment 14927022 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I heard Windhurst on with Lowe earlier & he made it out to seem that Chicago, not NY, was a real option. Windhurst is buddy buddy with LBJ too.

I don't know if this is Bill trying to needle us fans. Hey Bill, we know we suck. We've sucked for going on 20 years.


Alan Hahn said that from what he heard Lebrons team really respected Walsb and thw whole wheelchair thing was bs..

Said Lebron was intrigued by what dantoni proposed and his system that he was going to build around him...

Problem was Lebron was not sure if they could be a championship contender and not sure who was going to be his running mate..

Was also nervous that Walsh would retire because he was older and not ajre who would take over..

Then once the heat came in with the offer of 3 max guys it was over...
Also mentioned the billionaire athlete  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2020 8:15 pm : link
and Lebron liked the idea of owning new york..

I still maintain if Melo was a free agent, melo and bron would of been in new york and wade and bosh would of been in miami..
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/30/2020 8:22 pm : link
If LBJ had come to The Garden & won titles, his legend would be even greater than it is now, which is hard to believe.

Sooner or later, the worm has to turn right? Whoever ends up leading the Knicks to a title will be a legend in NYC forever. Forever. I was hoping it would be KD, but alas.
RE: nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2020 8:28 pm : link
In comment 14927038 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If LBJ had come to The Garden & won titles, his legend would be even greater than it is now, which is hard to believe.

Sooner or later, the worm has to turn right? Whoever ends up leading the Knicks to a title will be a legend in NYC forever. Forever. I was hoping it would be KD, but alas.


Someone is going to make that jump, hipefully soon
Twitter rumor so take fwiw  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2020 9:04 pm : link
But the rumor is Knicks are telling lrospects they plan on having 3 "prominent" coaches leading the team..

Thibs HC with Atkinson and Woody??
I’ve never felt LeBron to Miami was a lock  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/30/2020 9:15 pm : link
I think LeBron/Wade/Bosh/Melo + CP3 absolutely discussed teaming up. No question about that. But the rumor for a long time was how Wade/Bosh were absolutely teaming up, Bosh being sick of being an also ran living in Canada.

LeBron was so fucking good as a player and entity that he basically told them “I’m gonna check my options; I’m definitely heavily considering joining you.” Nothing more, nothing less. He checked out his options and I think the Bulls and Knicks were the two markets he really wanted to be sold on, with the Knicks clearly having a lead due to being MSG/NYC and the shadow of MJ in CHI and the optics of leaving Cleveland for CHI. The Bulls clearly destroyed the Knicks during the interview process. Who knows what % of that is because of Dolan being Dolan, Walsh looking unreliable, or D-Rose looking like a future superstar. It probably all played a role. But it was clear at the time and it’s clear now that the Knicks’ pitch was weak as fuck.

If everything is equal or close, I still think he was coming to the Knicks. Same with Kyrie and Durant. But the Knicks are just such a fucking mess they can’t even get “close” to equal especially as marketing options become less dependent on local market size for elite athletes.
Hard to believe Atkinson would accept an assistant gig.  
bceagle05 : 6/30/2020 9:23 pm : link
Maybe for Coach Bud on a title contender. My bet would be Thibs/Woody/Mike Brown.
RE: Hard to believe Atkinson would accept an assistant gig.  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2020 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14927062 bceagle05 said:
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Maybe for Coach Bud on a title contender. My bet would be Thibs/Woody/Mike Brown.


Hopefully with maybe one of these young assistants they can steal away
They must be throwing some serious money around  
bceagle05 : 6/30/2020 9:42 pm : link
if they’re confident they can land a bunch of these guys. I’m sure it took a lot of dough to pry the new front office execs from their previous jobs - it wasn’t like they were unemployed and jumping at the first opportunity. No cap on the front office or coaching staff.
RE: They must be throwing some serious money around  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2020 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14927071 bceagle05 said:
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if they’re confident they can land a bunch of these guys. I’m sure it took a lot of dough to pry the new front office execs from their previous jobs - it wasn’t like they were unemployed and jumping at the first opportunity. No cap on the front office or coaching staff.


They are doing exactly what alan hahn sakd they were going to do, throw money around and try and get top guys in the front office..

Rose did something no other new president has done, rebuilt the front office
Osi.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/30/2020 9:55 pm : link
I agree. I hate to say this, but we need Dolan to do a Donald Sterling, ala say something so outrageous/disgusting that the NBA needs to step in.

Dolan is killing us. As long as he's the owner, I don't think top players are going to play for the Knicks.
RE: Osi.  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2020 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14927079 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I agree. I hate to say this, but we need Dolan to do a Donald Sterling, ala say something so outrageous/disgusting that the NBA needs to step in.

Dolan is killing us. As long as he's the owner, I don't think top players are going to play for the Knicks.


If knicks were winning no one would give a crap aboit dolan..
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/30/2020 10:14 pm : link
But we won't win until people want to come to NY. And that's not going to be until Dolan is gone.
RE: nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2020 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14927085 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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But we won't win until people want to come to NY. And that's not going to be until Dolan is gone.


You do not necassarily need someone to come, the knkcms just have to shoe promise..

Hopefully for once they habe a competent front office and hopefully WWW has enough pull behind the scenes and respect that it counteracts dolan..
RE: RE: nygiants16  
Chris684 : 7/1/2020 8:39 am : link
In comment 14927042 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14927038 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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If LBJ had come to The Garden & won titles, his legend would be even greater than it is now, which is hard to believe.

Sooner or later, the worm has to turn right? Whoever ends up leading the Knicks to a title will be a legend in NYC forever. Forever. I was hoping it would be KD, but alas.



Someone is going to make that jump, hipefully soon


Someone with balls and a huge competitive spirit. Unlike LeBron or Durant.
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