NFT: Bill Simmons: Lebron wanted to be a Knick, Dolan blew it

Bill Simmons might have the most punchable VOICE I've ever heard. Listening to him and Francesa talk over each other when he used to call into Mike was fucking brutal.

What a douchebag.

He's probably right here though lol.

the bottom line... when the Patriots do something outside of the box, they get the benefit of the doubt. When the Knicks have an off-season where EVERYBODY is questioning what they did... accept it was bad.

the point is that it still doesn't even make disc 3 on the box set of Knicks idiocy. Surely agreed that there isn't anything to celebrate from it.

In comment 14926491 Sonic Youth said:

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In comment 14926431 djm said: Quote: I’m gonna go with my gut and say that Simmons is full of shit. Simmons was one of the jerkoffs that just knew Lebron was gojng to the Knicks. And then the real world said nope, sorry there Bill, you have no real sources and your made up rumor was bullshit. What better way to validate your rumors by saying Lebron really did want to go to msg.... sure he did. Yes, Bill Simmons is trying to cover his ass.... 10 years later.... Come the fuck on lol.

You don't think reporters will do this from time to time? Living under a rock?

I don't even care, what's done is done, but if you truly believe that Lebron woke up one day thinking it's NY Knicks or bust, then left the interview saying no way to MSG, I don't know what to tell you, but that's unlikely how it went down.

but this whole thing about Donnie Walsh being "too old" and the wheel chair thing, wtf is wrong with people to even think that way? Lebron wasn't coming here because Donnie Walsh was in a wheel chair? THATS what I am supposed to believe? Not only is that ridiculous, it's also ageism, and it's alive and well in this fucked up country of ours.

or Pat Riley?

Who do you think was a better fit for a superstar player like LeBron? Probably the guy who coached Magic, personified NBA success and had DWade's trust already.

odd not to do due dillegence but the Cavs apparently have told Killian Hayes agent they will not consider a guard with their lotto pick and will only be speaking to forwards/centers.

In comment 14926721 DanMetroMan said:

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odd not to do due dillegence but the Cavs apparently have told Killian Hayes agent they will not consider a guard with their lotto pick and will only be speaking to forwards/centers.

If he's there and the best available PG I really hope the Knicks don't get all paranoid of players from France because of Weiss/Frank and pass on him. Every player should be treated differently.

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Frig Simmons. LeDiva was never going to come here. Most just use us as leverage.

You may be right about LeBron never seriously considering NYK, but he had no need far any leverage.

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"The Knicks were long the place agents and teams knew were suckers for bad contracts. One thing the Knicks have gotten right in recent years...no more stupid deals that eat up cap space." Did you not see what happened last off-season? Randle, Portis, Gibson, Ellington, Payton are about 60 million worth of stupid deals....

Oh I agree last off-season was a waste. Difference is, only Randles deal (terrible) goes beyond this coming year...unless I’m forgetting someone?

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In comment 14926721 DanMetroMan said: Quote: odd not to do due dillegence but the Cavs apparently have told Killian Hayes agent they will not consider a guard with their lotto pick and will only be speaking to forwards/centers. If he's there and the best available PG I really hope the Knicks don't get all paranoid of players from France because of Weiss/Frank and pass on him. Every player should be treated differently.

He's #2 on my personal "board".

I heard Windhurst on with Lowe earlier & he made it out to seem that Chicago, not NY, was a real option. Windhurst is buddy buddy with LBJ too.

I don't know if this is Bill trying to needle us fans. Hey Bill, we know we suck. We've sucked for going on 20 years.

In comment 14927022 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I heard Windhurst on with Lowe earlier & he made it out to seem that Chicago, not NY, was a real option. Windhurst is buddy buddy with LBJ too. I don't know if this is Bill trying to needle us fans. Hey Bill, we know we suck. We've sucked for going on 20 years.

Alan Hahn said that from what he heard Lebrons team really respected Walsb and thw whole wheelchair thing was bs..

Said Lebron was intrigued by what dantoni proposed and his system that he was going to build around him...

Problem was Lebron was not sure if they could be a championship contender and not sure who was going to be his running mate..

Was also nervous that Walsh would retire because he was older and not ajre who would take over..

Then once the heat came in with the offer of 3 max guys it was over...

and Lebron liked the idea of owning new york..

I still maintain if Melo was a free agent, melo and bron would of been in new york and wade and bosh would of been in miami..

If LBJ had come to The Garden & won titles, his legend would be even greater than it is now, which is hard to believe.

Sooner or later, the worm has to turn right? Whoever ends up leading the Knicks to a title will be a legend in NYC forever. Forever. I was hoping it would be KD, but alas.

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If LBJ had come to The Garden & won titles, his legend would be even greater than it is now, which is hard to believe. Sooner or later, the worm has to turn right? Whoever ends up leading the Knicks to a title will be a legend in NYC forever. Forever. I was hoping it would be KD, but alas.

Someone is going to make that jump, hipefully soon

But the rumor is Knicks are telling lrospects they plan on having 3 "prominent" coaches leading the team..

Thibs HC with Atkinson and Woody??

I think LeBron/Wade/Bosh/Melo + CP3 absolutely discussed teaming up. No question about that. But the rumor for a long time was how Wade/Bosh were absolutely teaming up, Bosh being sick of being an also ran living in Canada.

LeBron was so fucking good as a player and entity that he basically told them “I’m gonna check my options; I’m definitely heavily considering joining you.” Nothing more, nothing less. He checked out his options and I think the Bulls and Knicks were the two markets he really wanted to be sold on, with the Knicks clearly having a lead due to being MSG/NYC and the shadow of MJ in CHI and the optics of leaving Cleveland for CHI. The Bulls clearly destroyed the Knicks during the interview process. Who knows what % of that is because of Dolan being Dolan, Walsh looking unreliable, or D-Rose looking like a future superstar. It probably all played a role. But it was clear at the time and it’s clear now that the Knicks’ pitch was weak as fuck.

If everything is equal or close, I still think he was coming to the Knicks. Same with Kyrie and Durant. But the Knicks are just such a fucking mess they can’t even get “close” to equal especially as marketing options become less dependent on local market size for elite athletes.

Maybe for Coach Bud on a title contender. My bet would be Thibs/Woody/Mike Brown.

In comment 14927062 bceagle05 said:

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Maybe for Coach Bud on a title contender. My bet would be Thibs/Woody/Mike Brown.

Hopefully with maybe one of these young assistants they can steal away

if they’re confident they can land a bunch of these guys. I’m sure it took a lot of dough to pry the new front office execs from their previous jobs - it wasn’t like they were unemployed and jumping at the first opportunity. No cap on the front office or coaching staff.

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if they’re confident they can land a bunch of these guys. I’m sure it took a lot of dough to pry the new front office execs from their previous jobs - it wasn’t like they were unemployed and jumping at the first opportunity. No cap on the front office or coaching staff.

They are doing exactly what alan hahn sakd they were going to do, throw money around and try and get top guys in the front office..

Rose did something no other new president has done, rebuilt the front office

I agree. I hate to say this, but we need Dolan to do a Donald Sterling, ala say something so outrageous/disgusting that the NBA needs to step in.

Dolan is killing us. As long as he's the owner, I don't think top players are going to play for the Knicks.

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I agree. I hate to say this, but we need Dolan to do a Donald Sterling, ala say something so outrageous/disgusting that the NBA needs to step in. Dolan is killing us. As long as he's the owner, I don't think top players are going to play for the Knicks.

If knicks were winning no one would give a crap aboit dolan..

But we won't win until people want to come to NY. And that's not going to be until Dolan is gone.

In comment 14927085 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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But we won't win until people want to come to NY. And that's not going to be until Dolan is gone.

You do not necassarily need someone to come, the knkcms just have to shoe promise..

Hopefully for once they habe a competent front office and hopefully WWW has enough pull behind the scenes and respect that it counteracts dolan..

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In comment 14927038 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: If LBJ had come to The Garden & won titles, his legend would be even greater than it is now, which is hard to believe. Sooner or later, the worm has to turn right? Whoever ends up leading the Knicks to a title will be a legend in NYC forever. Forever. I was hoping it would be KD, but alas. Someone is going to make that jump, hipefully soon

Someone with balls and a huge competitive spirit. Unlike LeBron or Durant.