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1986- what you think happens if we play Browns?

Paulie Walnuts : 6/30/2020 6:10 pm
instead of Denver? Parcells used to struggle against Marty

any opinions
The Browns bearly survived the Jets  
Matt in SGS : 6/30/2020 6:18 pm : link
at home (needed 2 OTs) and lost in OT at home to Denver. The Giants were not going to be denied in 1986. If anything Elway kept the game closer vs. the Giants for a while until the flood gates broke. I think it would have been a similar outcome if the Browns made it.

The Browns were a running team for the most part and no one ran on the 1986 Giants. They held teams to around 60 yards a game. So you had Kosar in his 2nd year and they had rookie WRs (Webster Slaughter and Reggie Langhorn). The Giants defense would have rattled them. And the Browns defense was more or less the same as the Broncos. Pretty good, but not great.

We win  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/30/2020 6:22 pm : link
.
Once December came  
LBH15 : 6/30/2020 6:23 pm : link
this team was already well battle tested.

Nobody was going to beat them.
We maul them  
bluepepper : 6/30/2020 6:29 pm : link
Denver competed for a half thanks to Elway.
At least 4 teams in the NFC  
bluepepper : 6/30/2020 6:32 pm : link
better than the Browns and Broncos that year:

Giants
Skins
Bears
49ers
No one was beating us in '86...  
Torrag : 6/30/2020 6:36 pm : link
period.

86 Giants were a great and dominant team  
US1 Giants : 6/30/2020 6:51 pm : link
Giants win. Favorite team of my Giants fandom.

No one was beating the Giants in 86....if it wasn't for the 85 Bears..  
George from PA : 6/30/2020 6:59 pm : link
Hell, the 87 strike was only thing that stopped them
Kosar was a statue  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2020 7:27 pm : link
The Giants pass rush would have pounded the snot out of him, and as Matt said, no one ran on the '86 Giants.

I don't know that the offense would have been quite as prolific, as Cleveland had a better defense than Denver, but they would have won fairly easily.
27-13  
hassan : 6/30/2020 7:34 pm : link
type score vs 39-20-reasons mentioned above.
RE: We maul them  
mfsd : 6/30/2020 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14926986 bluepepper said:
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Denver competed for a half thanks to Elway.


Agree with this.

Between the Raiders of the early 80s and the Bills of the early 90s, that was during an era where the AFC’s best would have been mostly middle of the pack in the NFC.
Browns fans list the Pummeling in Pasadena up there  
St. Jimmy : 6/30/2020 8:25 pm : link
with Red Right 88, The Fumble, and Art Modell.
The Giants would have crushed them  
David B. : 6/30/2020 8:38 pm : link
Or ANYONE else in the AFC in 86. The Browns were Denver with a less mobile QB. They would have killed Kosar.

The best teams in 86 were the Giants, the Redskins, and SF. And the Giants were the best of those teams in 86, but ANY of those NFC teams would have beaten ANY of the AFC teams.

And they did. In 87, 88, 89, and 90.
The only AFC team in 1986 that could have beaten them was  
SGMen : 6/30/2020 9:09 pm : link
the NY Jets, but injuries decimated them and they fell apart.

I'd have loved to have seen a NY vs NY SB at least once in my lifetime. LOL
I've heard Simms say multiple times  
MBavaro : 6/30/2020 9:22 pm : link
he was relieved the Broncos won that game. He felt the Browns' defense, specifically their DB's, was a bad match up for the Giants. He's never had time to go into detail about why he felt that way, though.
Giants win...  
Matt G : 7/1/2020 8:57 am : link
No question... '86 was by far the most dominant of our SB teams
giants win  
bobc : 7/1/2020 9:14 am : link
Had too many weapons for the Browns. Phil was MVP of the game but the Giants pulled away by giving the ball to the most underrated running back in giants history, Joe Morris
they could not stop them both
Giants' year  
JonC : 7/1/2020 9:18 am : link
no one was beating them unless they beat themselves.
I think the Giants still win, but it would have been a  
Victor in CT : 7/1/2020 9:42 am : link
much tougher game.
RE: I've heard Simms say multiple times  
Matt in SGS : 7/1/2020 10:06 am : link
In comment 14927061 MBavaro said:
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he was relieved the Broncos won that game. He felt the Browns' defense, specifically their DB's, was a bad match up for the Giants. He's never had time to go into detail about why he felt that way, though.


The Browns defense was no slouch. They had several Pro Bowlers- Bob Golic, Chip Banks, Clay Matthews. They had 2 of the best CBs in the NFL in Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnefield. That could be what he's talking about. However....

In both the Jets game and Broncos games, the gave up big drives late that a "great" defense simply wouldn't do. Freeman McNeil busted off a late TD in the 4th quarter that should have won the game...but the Jets were the Jets. And of course Elway went 98 yards late to tie the game. Great defenses don't do that.

So maybe they hold the Giants offense in check better than Denver's did. But I'd put better odds on the Browns getting shut out since the defense would have killed Kosar. It could well be more like the NFCC 17-0 win.
I do remember my father being disappointed that Cleveland didn't make  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2020 10:27 am : link
it to that Super Bowl. He loved the idea of a classic matchup like that.
I recall at the time  
YAJ2112 : 7/1/2020 10:29 am : link
being relieved that we were playing the Broncos and not the Browns.
Browns beat us in the Meadowlands the season prior....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 7/1/2020 12:22 pm : link
....in heartbreaking fashion. Every loss in '85 was a killer.

Glad the Broncos were our opponent.
I wanted Cleveland...  
x meadowlander : 7/1/2020 1:28 pm : link
...loved the historic angle, Denver had already been there, Cleveland hadn't in the Super Bowl Era, Browns had a excellent rushing attack, would've been fun to see some smashmouth football in the trenches.

But no - it wouldn't have mattered. The 86' Giant Defense was an absolute steamroller, and Simms played one of the best games I ever saw.

Giants 42, Browns 17
RE: Browns beat us in the Meadowlands the season prior....  
Greg from LI : 7/1/2020 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14927330 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....in heartbreaking fashion. Every loss in '85 was a killer.

Glad the Broncos were our opponent.


The Giants had no business losing that game. Dominated just about every stat - passing, rushing, time of possession.

Everything but the score.
Giants would've crushed them.  
FStubbs : 7/1/2020 3:31 pm : link
It was only Elway magic that Denver even kept it close for a half.

The score might have looked closer, but the Giants would've just gotten a lead and sat on it for the game.

23-10 or thereabouts.
The AFC just wasn't that good.  
FStubbs : 7/1/2020 3:32 pm : link
Giants, Washington, SF, Chicago, Minnesota, and Dallas were all probably better than anybody in the AFC.
They wouldn't have stood a chance most likely  
dpinzow : 7/1/2020 7:35 pm : link
however upsets couldn't be ruled out.

This question hasn't been asked a lot but it again goes to the fact that nobody in the AFC was close to the level of NYG, WSH, SF, CHI in those days
As for the game itself it probably goes a lot like the NFC  
dpinzow : 7/1/2020 7:36 pm : link
championship vs Washington. Kosar wouldn't stand a chance against the 86 Giants defense. We'd probably score a TD on defense and another TD with a short field. Add a long drive TD and a field goal, and you get something like 24-3, 27-3, 27-6
The Denver game wasn't even that close  
nochance : 7/2/2020 9:52 am : link
The score was 39-13 with time running out and Denver scored a neaningless garbagetime TD at the end.
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