Yes please.
The New York Knicks are projected to have upwards of $50 million in cap space when the NBA offseason commences, and Toronto Raptors guard Fred VanVleet could be a potential recipient of that money.
In a conversation on The Athletic, former league executive and stats wizard John Hollinger says that he’s heard VanVleet’s name connected to the Knicks, and Hollinger likes his value.
“I have him projected at a $20.7 million valuation next season, and the Knicks would be buying his age 26 through 29 seasons on a four-year deal — presumably his prime years…at something around $20 million a year, he’s a solid value who still lets the Knicks have max room in 2021.”
In a May 11 discussion on The Athletic Danny Leroux projected VanVleet:
“will get about $15 million to $18 million per season, but contract length will be key. That is a totally reasonable price for him over the next few years, but a four-year deal could get thorny at the end if the Knicks are at another stage in their process.”
I'm an eternal optimist, but there's certainly reason to believe the Knicks will be a better team next year, especially if they add FVV.
I think they'd be much improved (depending on who the coach is and other moves they make). I agree they won't be picking 17th but even if you just take Miller's winning % it would put them at the 9th spot in the EC. Add Van Vleet, RJ going into his second year, a solid coach and hopefully some other savvy moves and there's no reason not to think they wouldn't be in the mix for the 8th spot in the East.
Number 2 add shooting..
Number 3 add a vet point that can shoot
I'm not that desperate to trade him unless we can actually get something of value in exchange.
Oh god no
I agree for the following reason.
If you allow Randle to be what he should be (rebounder, inside scorer, occasional ball handler), he provides some value.
But if you give him all the freedom in the world to handle it and play 1v1 from the top of the key, it exposes his decision making flaws. He is also not a floor spacing BIG.
On a team that is devoid of an NBA caliber facilitator (see Knicks last year), Randle is at his worst.
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but bad fit
I agree for the following reason.
If you allow Randle to be what he should be (rebounder, inside scorer, occasional ball handler), he provides some value.
But if you give him all the freedom in the world to handle it and play 1v1 from the top of the key, it exposes his decision making flaws. He is also not a floor spacing BIG.
On a team that is devoid of an NBA caliber facilitator (see Knicks last year), Randle is at his worst.
Randle played better eith Payton, but with payton at point there was no spacr for Barrett
1. Fix the front office. They need competent people and a clear vision. That doesn't necessarily mean overhaul but we need to stop being viewed as the laughing stock of the NBA and stop making bad decisions.
2. We need to develop our young guys. We need the right players around to help that process. I fell like too long we have a bunch of pieces that never work well together. Whatever that takes should be done. That gives is a huge advantage whether that is making us an attractive destination for FA, just getting better overall, and/or having trade value. I agree with the poster that said we do have to start winning games at some point.
3. This is crucial. We need to maintain our cap space as best as possible. Yes, we have struck out year after year on trying to land the big fish. We all get it. However, that doesn't mean it was the wrong approach. It shows me more that players don't like how this franchise is run. That doesn't mean we need to find a different way to acquire talent. It means you need to look at number one on my list and change that. It means you need to look at number 2 and start winning.
But the reason this is crucial is we all know NBA players want to choose who they team up with. I understand the poster above saying if we had VanVleet, Beal, and 9ur ither guys it would be attractive. Yes, but who is going to come here by himself to turn things around? If all those FA are available then they will 100% want to choose another FA or 2 and go to a team that can fit them. We will be left with the Stoudemire of the class and not be that much better for it. Going after 3 is probably overkill but we should hope to have a way to land 2 if possible. If not I doubt we get anybody we want. We'll be choosing option 8 instead of 1 and 2. And, again, this doesn't happen unless we change the culture of this team up top.
Agreed. I generally don't worry too much about the money assuming the player is sound and healthy, but this move just seems so necessary and warranted. Knicks need a floor leader and player that does things the right way more than they need cap space. Get it done. Then build a team around Vleet so that he's not exposed or considered overpaid despite his strong points. There is a long history of solid or better NBA players that were run out of MSG in disgrace because the Knicks culture over shadowed any positives that player brought to the table. Or, good players that were salary dumped because of an all or nothing mentality here that the Knicks had to get the biggest fish of all, no matter the cost. See Zack Randolph, Crawford and many others.
Guys can be overpaid and you can still win. It happens all the time.
1. Fix the front office. They need competent people and a clear vision. That doesn't necessarily mean overhaul but we need to stop being viewed as the laughing stock of the NBA and stop making bad decisions.
2. We need to develop our young guys. We need the right players around to help that process. I fell like too long we have a bunch of pieces that never work well together. Whatever that takes should be done. That gives is a huge advantage whether that is making us an attractive destination for FA, just getting better overall, and/or having trade value. I agree with the poster that said we do have to start winning games at some point.
3. This is crucial. We need to maintain our cap space as best as possible. Yes, we have struck out year after year on trying to land the big fish. We all get it. However, that doesn't mean it was the wrong approach. It shows me more that players don't like how this franchise is run. That doesn't mean we need to find a different way to acquire talent. It means you need to look at number one on my list and change that. It means you need to look at number 2 and start winning.
But the reason this is crucial is we all know NBA players want to choose who they team up with. I understand the poster above saying if we had VanVleet, Beal, and 9ur ither guys it would be attractive. Yes, but who is going to come here by himself to turn things around? If all those FA are available then they will 100% want to choose another FA or 2 and go to a team that can fit them. We will be left with the Stoudemire of the class and not be that much better for it. Going after 3 is probably overkill but we should hope to have a way to land 2 if possible. If not I doubt we get anybody we want. We'll be choosing option 8 instead of 1 and 2. And, again, this doesn't happen unless we change the culture of this team up top.
Your first point has already been checked off. New FO.
Phil never cleaned out the front office, he brought in one guy and that was it..
Rose has literally cleaned out the front office and hired his own guys, who many people habe said have been great hires..
He even made changes to the scouting..
No president has come in and cleared oit the front office like he has
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not really. Work still needs to be done but, like I said, it doesn't have to be getting rid of people but rather show they know what the fuck they are doing. We've been through this horse and pony show before with many different people running the show just like Phil Jackson. Different people, same disaster.
Phil never cleaned out the front office, he brought in one guy and that was it..
Rose has literally cleaned out the front office and hired his own guys, who many people habe said have been great hires..
He even made changes to the scouting..
No president has come in and cleared oit the front office like he has
Again, it is more than "cleaning out". It is showing you are a well run organization.
I'm not that desperate to trade him unless we can actually get something of value in exchange.
I'm sorry but Randle has no value. You would have to include a sweetener or take on a bad contract to move him. I'd look into that Rozier swap if its still possible.
I'm very optimistic about Rose and really like his hires thus far. But its still the first time he's ever worked in a front office let alone run one. But I do feel good about the wire- especially with Wesley in an official role.
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basically an expiring. He also still has value across the league.
I'm not that desperate to trade him unless we can actually get something of value in exchange.
I'm sorry but Randle has no value. You would have to include a sweetener or take on a bad contract to move him. I'd look into that Rozier swap if its still possible.
I'm very optimistic about Rose and really like his hires thus far. But its still the first time he's ever worked in a front office let alone run one. But I do feel good about the wire- especially with Wesley in an official role.
Put Randle on a team that has legit guard play e.g. Portland and he's much better than he showed last year.
I'm sorry but Randle has no value. You would have to include a sweetener or take on a bad contract to move him. I'd look into that Rozier swap if its still possible.
Rozier has an extra year on his deal so I'd be pretty unhappy if they did that swap.
With a true point who can shoot maybe he fits better and barret will still have the space to work..
Problem is also his outside shot dis not improve like people thought..
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basically an expiring. He also still has value across the league.
I'm not that desperate to trade him unless we can actually get something of value in exchange.
I'm sorry but Randle has no value. You would have to include a sweetener or take on a bad contract to move him. I'd look into that Rozier swap if its still possible.
I'm very optimistic about Rose and really like his hires thus far. But its still the first time he's ever worked in a front office let alone run one. But I do feel good about the wire- especially with Wesley in an official role.
Apology accepted, but I dont think that's true. His contract isn't an albatross and he still puts up a significant amount of counting stats. He's just a bad fit for a team with 0 shooters.
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My friend is better :)
Hope he lands somewhere in the league - I folllow him on social media and enjoy his breakdowns.
Apology accepted, but I dont think that's true. His contract isn't an albatross and he still puts up a significant amount of counting stats. He's just a bad fit for a team with 0 shooters. [/quote]
You honestly think teams would give up valuable assets to get Julius Randle at 19 million a year? I doubt any team would even take him in a salary dump let alone give up value.
What "counting stats"? He's an undersized big who's a turnover machine, can't stretch the floor and is an awful defender. He's a bad fit on most teams. Do you think its a coincidence every Knick fan who watches closely wants him traded? Ideally he's a backup big but he has negative value currently.
he is a free agent..
Knicks not interested because they have a bunch of pending free agents
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My friend is better :)
Hope he lands somewhere in the league - I folllow him on social media and enjoy his breakdowns.
I have confidence that he will
I agree, but the mongoes on this site wanna go all-in for a try-hard like FVV.
The good teams are drafting stars in the late lottery (Or later). Or they got somebody to sign (lebron, Kawhi, etc..) and they turned some lottery pick guys into another star.
Consider that if Embiid didn't need surgery on his foot ahead of the draft in 2014, Philly winds up with Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins and the whole experiment is a total bust.
In those days, the worst team had a 25% chance of getting the top pick and a ~64% chance at a top 3 pick and even still Philly was 4/4 in getting into the top 3 despite only having the best lottery odds in one of those seasons. So even if they had been the absolute worst team in all of those years (which they weren't) they still would've outperformed the odds and yet, they're still not a legit title contender.
Now being the worst team only gives you a 14% chance at a top pick and a ~40% chance at a top 3 pick. Historically here's something like a ~20% chance of drafting a HOFer with the #1 pick or 1 in every five #1 overall picks. All of that is to say -- you need some serious luck for this strategy to pay off in any reasonable timeframe.
If they add FVV and trade for a star they won’t be bad.
Why can’t we believe that a decent knicks team in 2020-2021 turns into a beter team in 2022 but the 2023 elite knicks consist of a different core of star power? Here’s the thing, you CAN progress while maintaining a competitive team. You don’t have to be terrible to become elite, matter of fact there’s evidence that says you can’t.
Well said. The Knicks can be a destination again - I don’t buy the notion that Dolan makes it impossible, as much as I dislike the guy. No reason they can’t build a good team and transition to a great team.
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That signing a guy like FVV means we’re “all in” and that’s that, we’re doomed or locked in to a low ceiling mid floor team for the rest of time. Why is every move treated with such finality? Why can’t we become a decent team over the next 2 years and go from there? Where is it written in stone that a team can’t grow from one era to the next?
Well said. The Knicks can be a destination again - I don’t buy the notion that Dolan makes it impossible, as much as I dislike the guy. No reason they can’t build a good team and transition to a great team.
I dont know how people do not understand this...
A place is only a destination if you have good players and a winning culture..
Then the obvious, he expects the knicks to go after booker
Then the obvious, he expects the knicks to go after booker
Gotta think Barrett and/or Mitch will be involved in any deal, along with the first rounders.
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If Lillard requests a trade be expects Knicms and lakers to be where he wants to go..
Then the obvious, he expects the knicks to go after booker
Gotta think Barrett and/or Mitch will be involved in any deal, along with the first rounders.
I'd happily move Barrett and all non Knick firsts for Booker.
Booker will take every asset and that still might not br enough..
Mitchell if he demands a trade there is a possibility they cave