NFT: Knicks Chat: Buzz they may target FVV

It would be our best free agent signing in quite some time. Something about Ujiri letting him walk and the Knicks signing him makes me a little uneasy though...

was asked about the Knicks, he basically said " it is interesting and i am a free agent, so we will see"..

Amazing last year talking abouy durant and kyrie nlw we are getting excited about van vleet

is that the Knicks should sign a good player to a long-term contract this summer - I know it's not a great free agent class and we're always worried about cap flexibility, but we're in a powerful position as one of the few teams with cap space. Maybe if we get one guy in the door now to help clean things up, it won't be so difficult down the road.

In comment 14927274 bceagle05 said:

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is that the Knicks should sign a good player to a long-term contract this summer - I know it's not a great free agent class and we're always worried about cap flexibility, but we're in a powerful position as one of the few teams with cap space. Maybe if we get one guy in the door now to help clean things up, it won't be so difficult down the road.

Agreed cant turnover 8 guys every single year, it doesnt work..

please.


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Killian Hayes' agent said in this podcast (ENG subtitles available) :

- KH interviewed with several teams included NY, BOS, ORL
- He will with MIN & GSW
- He wont with CLE, they don't want to draft a guard

but i mean this is prolly just dot connecting. FVV is one of the better FA, knicks have capspace, so... I mean id rather here this then "knicks not interested".

FVV seems like a guy who might actually have his best years ahead of him. That said i trust TOR's front office a lot more then ours, so why are they letting him walk, ha. I mean lowry is a FA after next season, plus im sure they could trade lowry if they needed/wanted to.

are really key for this team. And it doesnt have to be signing Giannis or some other unrealistic thing. Last offseason was a bust as we got no long term piece and kinda got the shaft in the draft (i like RJ but i get he isnt zion or even Ja). This team needs to start adding players who can be here for 5+ years and improve this team. We need to hit on a draft pick or two with all the picks we have in the next couple seasons and actually make a good FA signing or two.

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but i mean this is prolly just dot connecting. FVV is one of the better FA, knicks have capspace, so... I mean id rather here this then "knicks not interested". FVV seems like a guy who might actually have his best years ahead of him. That said i trust TOR's front office a lot more then ours, so why are they letting him walk, ha. I mean lowry is a FA after next season, plus im sure they could trade lowry if they needed/wanted to.

I wouldnt be shocked if they trade lowry and resign van vleet..

If they keep Lowry, i could see Van vleet wanting to be a point guard, probably sees knicks with no one on the roster to be a starting point...

Hayes, Ball or Avdija please!

In comment 14927292 DanMetroMan said:

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Hayes, Ball or Avdija please!

Yes, yes and more yes

In comment 14927292 DanMetroMan said:

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Hayes, Ball or Avdija please!

agreed

he's solid in his role with the Raptors but they have a faaaar better roster.

Another guy they'll overpay to underperform.

In comment 14927295 GGGGmen said:

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he's solid in his role with the Raptors but they have a faaaar better roster. Another guy they'll overpay to underperform.

He would be really good next to your drafted point guard..

Knicks need shooters, he will play defense and he can run the offense when you need him to..

is a very intelligent kid. He's going to kill it in interviews. Won't be 19 until next month, lefty. Big fan. Wiseman is of course intriguing but the 3 I named are my big 3 for us.

is exactly who this team needs. Get it done.

In comment 14927293 TommyWiseau said:

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In comment 14927292 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Hayes, Ball or Avdija please! Yes, yes and more yes

Thats the thing about this draft. People complain about it, but rather than being elite at the top and then a big drop off, I feel like the top 8-10 are deeper than last year

This is the type of guy we need to jump on for his prome years

Lot of teams with young guards will target him as their wing of choice - Cleveland and Golden State right at the top of that list. Definitely a nice choice for the Knicks if available.

What to like about FVV:

-his age (26) and lack of accumulated wear and tear esp at the pro level
-Intangibles: high IQ, tenacious approach etc.
-shooting (41 FG, 39 3ptFG, 84 FT)
-savvy offensive player


Concerns:

-although he has had big moments in the biggest of moments, he's either been a back-up or a co-lead guard, the latter often off the ball
-subpar athlete; subpar size: this has been largely offset by his skill, savvy and work ethic
-creativity as a QB of an offense
-doesn't often finish at the rim but has an array of floaters and push shots

Questions:

If NYK drafted any of many point guards in this draft class, would FVV be inclined to come to NYK?

What will FVV cost (my guess is 4y, $25 per)?

In comment 14927309 NYG22 said:

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What to like about FVV: -his age (26) and lack of accumulated wear and tear esp at the pro level -Intangibles: high IQ, tenacious approach etc. -shooting (41 FG, 39 3ptFG, 84 FT) -savvy offensive player Concerns: -although he has had big moments in the biggest of moments, he's either been a back-up or a co-lead guard, the latter often off the ball -subpar athlete; subpar size: this has been largely offset by his skill, savvy and work ethic -creativity as a QB of an offense -doesn't often finish at the rim but has an array of floaters and push shots Questions: If NYK drafted any of many point guards in this draft class, would FVV be inclined to come to NYK? What will FVV cost (my guess is 4y, $25 per)?

He would most likely start next to the point guard the Knicms draft, move Rj tk the 3..

Hopefully trade randle and sign a stretch 4

In comment 14927310 nygiants16 said:

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He would most likely start next to the point guard the Knicms draft, move Rj tk the 3.. Hopefully trade randle and sign a stretch 4

That actually sounds like a team worth watching.

signing FVV and drafting Obi Toppin? That guy looks to me like a stretch 4 who will be a 20/9 guy for the next 10 years in the league.

I've been a big fan of his since his college days and he's exactly what the Knicks need right now. I don't get care if its an overpay, just make it happen. Enough with the cap flexibility and more about actually bringing in good players- something they failed miserably at last summer. The guy is a proven winner.


What are his other options outside of staying in Toronto?

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signing FVV and drafting Obi Toppin? That guy looks to me like a stretch 4 who will be a 20/9 guy for the next 10 years in the league.

Already 22 years old, below average defender, thin base and slow lateral movement. Huge pass from me. Poor man's Amar'e.

to hear Hayes and Avdija have major buzz and now that Okongwu has some big time fans within some organizations.

for context, Obi Toppin is going to be turning 23 by the time the Knicks are playing again, Okongwu will be 20, Wiseman 20, Hayes 19.

I like Halliburton from Iowa state, but not really anyone else. And I don’t like him that much.

I would not mind signing van fleet and then go hard after Beal, with van fleet starting and frank as the backup then we do not need to draft a PG.

Would you guys take Van Fleet and then make the following trade:

2020 lottery pick - likely top 6
2021 - Dallas Pick
2023 - Knicks or Dallas 1st rounder - we will give them the worst of the 2 picks
smith Jr and randle for salary purposes

For Beal

PG - Van Fleet
SG - Beal
SF - Barrett
PF - Knox
C - Mitch

Bench TBD

We would still have plenty of draft picks:

2020 - 1st rounder from clippers, bobcats 2ns rounder
2021 - 1st rounder from Mavs, bobcats 2nd rounder
2022 - out own first rounder

This would also leave us the opportunity for a max player in 2021 with a very attractive roster.

Chances are Anthony Davis opts into final year of his contract making him unrestricted in 2021, which will be the greatest free agent class in the history of the NBA - Giannis, AD, Lebron, Kawhi, Paul George, blake griffin, Rudy gobert, oladipo.

At that point we actually have an attractive team that intheory would be missing one more big piece.

at 4-18 is a good value compared to many guys in the NBA. I guess he could work next to any of Haliburton, Hayes or Ball, who are probably the most likely picks at this point.

I like Avidja, but I have a hard time fitting him and Barrett into the same lineup.

Draft:

6 PG Hayes, Halliburton or Ball in that order
27 PF Xavier Tillman
38 Wing Desmond Bane

FA:

FVV 4Y, $25mm per

Roster, MPG:

PG FVV 24, Hayes 24, Harper
SG Ntlikina 24, Bane 16, FVV 8
SF: RJB 32, Bullock 16, Brazdeikas, Knox (trade bait)
PF: Randle unless/hopefully traded 30, Tillman 18
C: Robinson 28, Gibson 20

I would do that trade in a heartbeat but I think Washington hangs up on the phone on that offer. Pick 6-8 in a weak draft and 2021 Dallas pick just isn't that valuable. I think the Knicks would have to jump to the top 3 and include Barrett for Washington to consider it.

I hope I'm wrong though- I would love to have Beal.

is heady and a hard worker. If I'm the Knicks I'm adding him regardless of the targets in the draft. I think he's a perfect player to play with the early years of Hayes and Ball. I strongly prefer a PG with the early pick but if they somehow came away with Okongwu or Avdija with a PG at the late pick you won't see me complaining.

The thing in general that I think is important and not specific to FVV is we need some competent younger players here for the longer term as part of developing. Signing FVV would likely help RJ's and Mitch's development too (especially Mitch who cannot initiate offense himself). I would use the same logic in supporting a trade for CP3 (assuming no real assets given up). The path's that make sense to me are something like either signing FVV (draft a PG or stretch 4) or trading Randle for CP3 and looking at signing Wood. You keep a reasonably clean balance sheet beyond '21 (we are not getting Giannis) but can start really developing and not cycling through the tanking/miss on FA cycle.

I would go all in on him, he is exactly the type of player we need, can score at will, not a selfish offensive player, very improved defensively. I think it can get done without Barret and Mitch. I’m really hoping for an improved Knox this year he is still so young and has all the tools. He is year 3 development is so important. Also need to see smith jr improve. We need these guys as trade assets. We need a stud here before 2021 to get a big fee agent to sign.

If Beal wants out I don’t think anyone besides maybe the pelicans and OKC can offer a better deal. And I just don’t see Beal wanting to go to either place, which probably makes them not want to trade for him on a shorter contract.

This franchise needs credibility and needs to develop some semblance of a winning culture. FVV is entering his prime, has an off the charts IQ, is a crazy hard worker and is a winning player.

probably will not happen, but i would give up a lot for him..

Sign van vleet, you then have 2 recruiters in free agency with Mitch..

and just be lethal, whether he's creating or playing off the ball. Not sure he can carry a team, but put good pieces around him the defense has to respect, and he'll be Klay Thompson 2.0 on the offensive end.

In comment 14927358 GMEN46 said:

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I would go all in on him, he is exactly the type of player we need, can score at will, not a selfish offensive player, very improved defensively. I think it can get done without Barret and Mitch. I’m really hoping for an improved Knox this year he is still so young and has all the tools. He is year 3 development is so important. Also need to see smith jr improve. We need these guys as trade assets. We need a stud here before 2021 to get a big fee agent to sign. If Beal wants out I don’t think anyone besides maybe the pelicans and OKC can offer a better deal. And I just don’t see Beal wanting to go to either place, which probably makes them not want to trade for him on a shorter contract.

I agree with you on getting Beal. Just don't agree they would even consider the cost. And the package you presented could be easily be beat by many teams outside of OKC and NO. While the Dallas 2021 pick is unprotected, the odds are heavilt favored on it being in the back 3rd of the draft. A late 1st simply isn't that valuable. Adding that to a pick between 6-8 in a weak draft and a future 1st 3 years out I don't think even gets Washington to consider it. This is a 27 yeard old all nba talent who averaged 30 a game this year and hasn't expressed a desire to leave. Why is Washington doing that deal?

Am I wrong?

there's a couple of other FAs that interest me, but given the current economic situation, there may be some opportunities to really extort some owners looking to save $$ by taking on contracts in exchange for draft picks.

But I really doubt that's going to be on Leon's agenda.

Go young and suck more, see if R.J. Barrett can develop into a good player.. go the 76ers route the next 5 years and give yourself a chance to draft a star or two.. the only way.

In comment 14927393 90.Cal said:

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Go young and suck more, see if R.J. Barrett can develop into a good player.. go the 76ers route the next 5 years and give yourself a chance to draft a star or two.. the only way.

I'd be OK doing this next year, for sure, but I think most of us assume they'll try to compete and chase stars - it's just what they do.

I'd argue it has been a bit since they signed even "good" players let alone stars. Certainly not last off-season.

I am all in on development but I think development without a good PG is very hard, particularly for a big like Mitch.

It is not 1 or the other, you have to be able to draft well and sign free agents..

Just tanking doesnt work..

Not a great class and 2021 could be loaded

Leon shoukd stick to trades and FA in this offseason

Dump Randle and Smith and try and unload Noah’s contract

to play for the Knicks. Freaking Dolan.

In comment 14927407 Earl the goat said:

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Not a great class and 2021 could be loaded Leon shoukd stick to trades and FA in this offseason Dump Randle and Smith and try and unload Noah’s contract

can't trade Noah's cap hit. Stretching him when they did was dumb - and that was a first guess by quite a few of us here.

not getting into a lather over FVV but the guy is 27 in February with low mileage. He's the kind of player a rebuilding team SHOULD be willing to overspend on. You need to start somewhere. Career 39% from 3 and unlike some other past Knicks dumb moves he's extremely unlikely to suddenly become a black hole that holds back the progress of others. Even if the Knicks land Ball or Hayes, neither one is stepping in and playing 40 minutes per night as a teenager.

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to play for the Knicks. Freaking Dolan.

In his latest article, a psychic medium told Simmons that Wilt also wanted to play for the Knicks but he knew that they would eventually be owned by Dolan and went to the Lakers instead

What Van Vleets value is in this market, with not a lot of teams with cap space, i wonder what contract he gets, no way he gets maxed, but wonder if 4 years 80 million gets it done

In comment 14927393 90.Cal said:

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Go young and suck more, see if R.J. Barrett can develop into a good player.. go the 76ers route the next 5 years and give yourself a chance to draft a star or two.. the only way.

Tanking was an iffy strategy before the lottery odds were changed. Now it'd be completely illogical to tank for 5 years.

Knicks are going to be bad (win-loss) whether they add FVV or not. Let's not pretend if they add him they suddenly are picking 17th next year.