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It’s July 1 - how do you see the NFL season going?

Sean : 7/1/2020 8:55 pm
Not looking for this to be political. It’s already July, we are a few weeks from training camp. What do you think will happen?

Preseason was cut in half today, no decision has been made on fans. There are a ton of unknowns still.

Do you think we will be watching the Giants play in September? I certainly hope so.
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yes i do  
GiantsFan84 : 7/1/2020 9:04 pm : link
too much on the line for the players. they definitely want to have a season
I go back & forth.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/1/2020 9:05 pm : link
Some days I'm optimistic. Others I'm not. Tonight I'm not. I don't think we have a season. With cases spiking everywhere-except for the Northeast really-I don't see one happening.

I hope I'm wrong.

On the bright side, 2020-a year from hell-is 1/2 over.

Only the greed and disregard for players  
oldutican : 7/1/2020 9:07 pm : link
by owners makes it even a consideration there will be a season.
They will try  
Des51 : 7/1/2020 9:11 pm : link
But I think by the 1st bye week, which is week 5, they'll shut down because of too many players with the virus.
Greed and disregard for the players?  
Tim in VA : 7/1/2020 9:13 pm : link
I guess you feel all business owners that decide to open their businesses are doing so with the same virtues? Smdh
RE: Only the greed and disregard for players  
MetsAreBack : 7/1/2020 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14927596 oldutican said:
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by owners makes it even a consideration there will be a season.


what in the fuck are you talking about? They aren't slaves, they're paid handsomely for their labor. Would you rather they collect unemployment at 1/200th their salary AND lose 10-20% in most cases of their career earnings in the process?
No.  
NoPeanutz : 7/1/2020 9:29 pm : link
There will not be a season. Certainly not by September.
I just have a hard time seeing it.  
j_rud : 7/1/2020 9:33 pm : link
I think the majority of players, were they to contract it, would be fine. But an NFL team operates and travels like an army and dozens upon dozens of people are involved, many of them being much more at risk than a young athlete in peak physical condition. I just have a hard time seeing it.
RE: No.  
MetsAreBack : 7/1/2020 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14927606 NoPeanutz said:
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There will not be a season. Certainly not by September.


Opening day is still 10 weeks away. I dont think, knowing BBI, that this thread will last - it is bound to become political. But just keep in mind, this process basically started 3.5 months ago and we've got over 2 months to go before opening day. What are hotspots now arent likely to be by then, we'll see.

Personally, I care far more about schools reopening in the Fall than this but my opinion remains that if significantly less funded foreign leagues by all accounts can operate successfully to date in Korea and Europe, than these billion dollar enterprises in our country can figure out a way too.
I see the season starting in September  
Rick in Dallas : 7/1/2020 10:04 pm : link
But will end up being cancelled sometime in October due to many players and staff contacting the virus.
On a side note, FC Dallas had 6 players today test positive as they are preparing for the MSL opening tournament
RE: I go back & forth.  
NYRiese : 7/1/2020 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14927594 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Some days I'm optimistic. Others I'm not. Tonight I'm not. I don't think we have a season. With cases spiking everywhere-except for the Northeast really-I don't see one happening.

I hope I'm wrong.

On the bright side, 2020-a year from hell-is 1/2 over.

What makes you think the covid-19 virus pandemic is quantized to a year?
......  
Route 9 : 7/1/2020 10:34 pm : link
If some of the players don't want to play, well, fuck it. I'll play. League minimum. I can play running back or even tight end when Engram gets a splinter in his big toe and is out for the year.

I'm sure a couple of BBIers could do as "well" as the Giants have done the past few years.
I doubt many of these players are social distancing  
ron mexico : 7/1/2020 10:36 pm : link
And I bet a lot of them are in hotspots of Miami and SoCal

The number of positives when camp opens up will be very high.

The NFL is going to have to walk a tightrope to pull this off.
damn fine question  
jmalls23 : 7/1/2020 10:38 pm : link
all I want is a season with what I think is a true leader in Judge.
RE: They will try  
AcidTest : 7/1/2020 10:59 pm : link
In comment 14927597 Des51 said:
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But I think by the 1st bye week, which is week 5, they'll shut down because of too many players with the virus.


^This.
_________  
I am Ninja : 7/1/2020 11:53 pm : link
They'll all get the virus, but no one will be sick. Because they're not elderly or orbese or have a pre-existing heart or reapiratory illness. I.e. all the people the world is coming to a standstill for.
Not obese?  
ron mexico : 7/1/2020 11:57 pm : link
Which NFL are you watching
I imagine the players are just as split as the public  
widmerseyebrow : 7/1/2020 11:59 pm : link
On COVID. Some of them are willing to get in altercations with and yell at grocery store staff over having to wear a mask while others are worried about getting their loved ones sick. I'm sure some are worried about the risk of long term lung damage. We know all of the owners want a season, but do all of the players?
I think the players would be split  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/2/2020 12:09 am : link
It's hard to gauge.
...  
christian : 7/2/2020 12:14 am : link
How covid and excessive weight and PED use among younger people is something to keep an eye on. Also worth noting, getting covid means getting really terribly sick for some young people, even when it’s not critical.
I know a few really strong guys in their 20s get knocked on their ass for a few weeks from it.
There's also the issue of state and local governments  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/2/2020 12:16 am : link
As they move back and forth between opening thg hings up and shutting down. I'm not saying this to turn the thread political. Mearly to point out that the ultimate decisions are not the league's to make.
RE: _________  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 7/2/2020 12:18 am : link
In comment 14927660 I am Ninja said:
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They'll all get the virus, but no one will be sick. Because they're not elderly or orbese or have a pre-existing heart or reapiratory illness. I.e. all the people the world is coming to a standstill for.


You should change your handle to "I am Dumbfuck"
I'd say about 50/50  
BigBlueNH : 7/2/2020 12:42 am : link
Every effort is going to be made by all involved - players, owners, networks - but the critical issue will be: can all 32 teams field a full squad for all 17 weeks + playoffs? I don't see how anyone can reliably answer that right now. All it takes is 1 or 2 teams to get hit hard, and all of a sudden the viability of the season becomes a real ?
Roster rules may need to be relaxed  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/2/2020 12:45 am : link
A drastic temporary expansion of the temp IR designation rules specifically.
I expect it to be cancelled before week 1  
myquealer : 7/2/2020 1:00 am : link
We'll see how it goes with the other sports first. MLB may manage a "season", but the other major sports have too much close contact and heavy breathing to contain the spread.
RE: RE: _________  
MetsAreBack : 7/2/2020 1:00 am : link
In comment 14927670 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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In comment 14927660 I am Ninja said:


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They'll all get the virus, but no one will be sick. Because they're not elderly or orbese or have a pre-existing heart or reapiratory illness. I.e. all the people the world is coming to a standstill for.



You should change your handle to "I am Dumbfuck"


Well I would have put it better but his math holds. There might be outliers - players have also died from car accidents, overdoses, murders, heat exhaustion, etc in the past.

Widermeyers 11:59 post is by far the most political and ridiculous of any of the posts tonight and the reason this thread will be killed soon. Pathetic.
RE: Greed and disregard for the players?  
myquealer : 7/2/2020 1:02 am : link
In comment 14927601 Tim in VA said:
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I guess you feel all business owners that decide to open their businesses are doing so with the same virtues? Smdh


Most businesses don't involve nearly the level of contact as football. There's no way to social distance and wear masks while playing football, like you can in most businesses.
Don't see it happening right now.  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/2/2020 2:37 am : link
It's ridiculous comparing the NFL to "most businesses."

At Walmart, the guys and gals in the groceries dept. aren't trying to tackle their "rivals" over in electronics 70 times a shift.
well if Trump  
mpinmaine : 7/2/2020 3:49 am : link
wasn't a f ing criminal, we could have had a season, but I doubt it..though still hopeful
Everyone loves fingering those dirty  
Route 9 : 7/2/2020 5:19 am : link
Walmart and Target self-checkout screens
Not  
Big Blue '56 : 7/2/2020 6:46 am : link
.
Seems unlikely  
exiled : 7/2/2020 6:53 am : link
Also seems irresponsible.

But damn, I hope I’m wrong.

Spinning counterclockwise down the drain  
Ivan15 : 7/2/2020 7:14 am : link
.
Simple question and  
section125 : 7/2/2020 7:18 am : link
fuckwads need to go off on a tangent. Wish the mods would ban those that cannot contain themselves.

I fear for the players, staff and their families. While the death rate appears to be much lower this time, probably because the younger are getting infected this time, that does not make it safe for the parents and grandparents of the players or family members with ailments.

IMHO, there will not be a season, because of the close contact. The NBA with a complete lockdown may make it, but I doubt it.
MLB has the best chance because the contact between opposing players is much less.
Very depressing year so far...  
Tark10 : 7/2/2020 7:33 am : link
I suspect the NFL won't get to week 1 of the exhibition season before players start testing positive. No basketball, baseball, or football until a vaccine is available. It sucks!
It's unbelievable to me that a disease  
oghwga : 7/2/2020 7:35 am : link
Is a political discussion. That's how much we're f***Ed. While it's true that Covid may not kill you, we still have no idea what the long term effects are. There are reports of all sorts of different, lingering, effects. It's a risk to everybody, young and old. If I was a player, I wouldn't play.

Sean,  
joeinpa : 7/2/2020 7:35 am : link
I believe it s time to move forward allowing for personal choice, with regards and respect for others by wearing a mask and social distancing when around others.

I believe because of the money involved there is a good chance there will be a season. Not only that, I believe there needs to be a season for reasons well beyond, “I want my Giants “

Some label this as irresponsible, others head in the sand. Others seem to even resent any optimism expressed on this subject

I believe the science is indicating they can safely have games, even with fans. The virus of course will continue to spread, none of the mitigation has stopped it. But evidence supports overwhelming young people are not impacted by the virus that warrants shutting down the country.

Fans can attend games with mitigation without spreading the virus anymore than we already are.

Those most vulnerable can decide for themselves how they want to live.

Those attending games will either decide to respect others by mitigation in their lives or they won’t, just as people do now. Going to game or not having games will not change that





RE: Very depressing year so far...  
section125 : 7/2/2020 7:47 am : link
In comment 14927710 Tark10 said:
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I suspect the NFL won't get to week 1 of the exhibition season before players start testing positive. No basketball, baseball, or football until a vaccine is available. It sucks!


The previous version of Corona - SARS 1 still does not have a vaccination - so do not hold your breath(no pun intended).
Not optimistic that there will be a season  
ZogZerg : 7/2/2020 8:17 am : link
Which is a shame. I really wanted to see Brady in Tampa, the Ravens, Chiefs, NE without Brady, etc.

The spike in cases and size of the NFL rosters, coaching staffs, and support staffs will make having a season a real challenge.
I think we will have  
PEEJ : 7/2/2020 8:20 am : link
football...in the Spring of 2021
There will be no season this year  
JohnB : 7/2/2020 8:30 am : link
The virus hasn't peaked yet
More and more people are catching it.
In 3 football hotbeds states, Florida, Texas and California, the virus is getting out of control.
The death rate in the USA is about 4.7% (according to Johns Hopkins).

When the death toll really climbs, the bodies start piling up and cities start to rent refrigerator trucks to hold the dead, commonsense will take hold in the NFL and they will cancel the season.
Put me in the camp that it will be cancelled  
Jim in Forest Hills : 7/2/2020 8:39 am : link
I think they will wait, maybe even attempt to play, but as soon as you have to quarantine half the team, where do you go? I think its cancelled before week 1.
The death rate is 4.7%?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2020 8:41 am : link
That seems absurdly high.
no bubble - no season  
giantfan2000 : 7/2/2020 8:45 am : link
I think the only league that has a chance of having a season and playoffs this year is NBA
they are the only ones with a smart plan that can work

the question is does the NFL season get cancelled the question is does NFL even make it to opening day ?

I would say it is 50/50 if any games get played .
I see empty stadiums.........  
WideRight : 7/2/2020 9:01 am : link

and if there is football, it will be on the caliber of a pro-bowl game.
some very good posters above  
ColHowPepper : 7/2/2020 9:01 am : link
posit that covid does not, by and large, fell many except for the elderly, those with co-morbidities and/or pre-existing conditions. "By and large", maybe. But this virus does not exempt the young and healthy, or even the middle-aged and healthy, too many reports of people in those categories who become very ill. Further, even those infected but 'asymptomatic' may incur long-term respiratory (lung) and/or CNS effects. This virus defies easy and definitive categorization as to its victims.

I'm in the camp of no season or a sharply curtailed season if and when it begins.
RE: The death rate is 4.7%?  
JohnB : 7/2/2020 9:05 am : link
In comment 14927736 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That seems absurdly high.


Here it is. I'm just quoting the experts.


Johns Hopkins dashboard - ( New Window )
RE: _________  
BMac : 7/2/2020 9:06 am : link
In comment 14927660 I am Ninja said:
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They'll all get the virus, but no one will be sick. Because they're not elderly or orbese or have a pre-existing heart or reapiratory illness. I.e. all the people the world is coming to a standstill for.


Yeah, fuck those old fatties.
Not looking good  
weeg in the bronx : 7/2/2020 9:07 am : link
I don't see them holding camps in areas where the infection rates or at least raw numbers are still increasing. And then you need to see a steady decrease. Season start delayed seems most likely, maybe a 12 game season?
As many have noted the league must absolutely avoid a situation where a team can't field a competitive team one week due to infection or quarantines.
RE: The death rate is 4.7%?  
MetsAreBack : 7/2/2020 9:07 am : link
In comment 14927736 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That seems absurdly high.


Its because he's crudely taking JHU deaths (128K) divided by confirmed cases (2.7MM)

Which is obviously an incredibly dumb way to look at it, and universally scientists for months now put this anywhere between 0.2% to 1% ... but hey, people want to be obtuse that's their prerogative.

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