it just adds more fuel to the skins fans fire that the Giants are their mortal enemy and stop at nothing to see that franchise falter. Even when we suck, we own that sorry ass team.
There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
I had the same exact question.
Thanks for the history.
Snyder needs to get off his high horse and take some action. I assume this is all about money and he thinks the value of his team will go down if he changes the name. If he can come up with a cool name, he could make a ton of money selling new merchandise.
In fact, Washington sucks so bad now, this would be the perfect time to change the name.
RE: So can you keep the native american theme and hence the Logo?
Like the Braves or the Seminoles or is that off limits now?
FSU has special permission from the Seminole Nations. In order to keep using the Seminole name, FSU has to meet certain criteria one of which is all students need to take a class on Native American history/heritage(IIRC).
Done with permission, dignity and honor I do not see a problem. IMHO
There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
but i don't think having native american themed team names/logos is racist. Theres got to be a middle ground somewhere. Braves? cmon. the cleveland indian logo looks racist but THATS WHAT CARTOON CARICATURES ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. if it was the cleveland greeks, the logo would have a big nose and furry eyebrows.
the same logo with a different name could work.
i was also not a fan of the bullets/wizard change. aesthetically it was horrible.
RE: not that i dont think redskins is derogatory as FK
but i don't think having native american themed team names/logos is racist. Theres got to be a middle ground somewhere. Braves? cmon. the cleveland indian logo looks racist but THATS WHAT CARTOON CARICATURES ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. if it was the cleveland greeks, the logo would have a big nose and furry eyebrows.
the same logo with a different name could work.
So as long as a team's name isn't too bluntly offensive, a sambo doll works for a logo?
but i don't think having native american themed team names/logos is racist. Theres got to be a middle ground somewhere. Braves? cmon. the cleveland indian logo looks racist but THATS WHAT CARTOON CARICATURES ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. if it was the cleveland greeks, the logo would have a big nose and furry eyebrows.
the same logo with a different name could work.
So as long as a team's name isn't too bluntly offensive, a sambo doll works for a logo?
Depends. On the left is Sambo imagery, on the right is what was used as the basis for the ND logo.
logo/mascot cancellations are misguided IMO and not impactful, but the Redskins is not one of them.
I'm pretty surprised the name hasn't been changed yet. Braves, Chiefs, Blackhawks, and Indians I can see a case for too, but they are not derogatory per se, like the Redskins.
Seems like Snider has his heels firmly dug in, I hope they stay that way, so more and more people hate them and create unnecessary distractions.
If it could be decided by some type of vote by Native Americans. That way we would actually know if it is wanted to be changed by more than just a minority of outspoken activists and a few others. I'm all for changing it, but only if the majority of people's whose opinions actually matter and not the Kate Mara's of the world.
Didn't they do a poll a few years ago and found most (native americans?) don't want it changed ?
comparing caricatures to sambos is that black people don't look like sambo characters. thats just racist white people shit.
to me the term Indian as a team name is worse than the logo(maybe have the logo in red doesn't help).
but the redskins logo doesn't seem offensive. the name sure as hell does. the question is would people find "the washington Tribes" or "Tribesman" offensive too in this climate where everything is offensive.
The football team that plays its games in Washington
just change it to synderskins (which I think people use anyway to refer to him) and then put his profile pic on the helmet. It would totally stroke his ego.
"Investors" give a shit about one thing and one thing only...money.
Redskins changes their name, apparel companies sell a bunch of new merchandise, investors make more money.
That's it, plain and simple.
+1 ... but you know the social media nitwits are going to jump on the bandwagon ... this country with its lack of balls and brains is fast going down the shitter.
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Thanks for the rhyme, Johnny Cochran. And thanks for your input. We know you were part of the targeted group after all.
Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Like the Giants and Rangers?
Yessir...but that doesn't mean WEEEEE have to change it. Theyyyy should be the ones to change their names :P WE'VEEEEE been around longer so WEEEE get priority.
but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Completely untrue. I actually think the exact opposite - when the “snowflakes” push back the accusers typically can’t handle it. Fascinating character study, I experience it a lot with some friends of mine.
but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Perhaps a new legacy, but the name persevered. It's like the St. Louis to Arizona Cardinals or Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta Braves. Unlike the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens or Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avalanche - those are resets to me.
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Completely untrue. I actually think the exact opposite - when the “snowflakes” push back the accusers typically can’t handle it. Fascinating character study, I experience it a lot with some friends of mine.
but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Perhaps a new legacy, but the name persevered. It's like the St. Louis to Arizona Cardinals or Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta Braves. Unlike the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens or Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avalanche - those are resets to me.
but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Perhaps a new legacy, but the name persevered. It's like the St. Louis to Arizona Cardinals or Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta Braves. Unlike the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens or Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avalanche - those are resets to me.
but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Perhaps a new legacy, but the name persevered. It's like the St. Louis to Arizona Cardinals or Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta Braves. Unlike the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens or Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avalanche - those are resets to me.
but I'll let you rationalize it how you want, lol
I say once you relocate, a new legacy is born :D
So, NY to NJ doesn't count as relocating for you?
Wait. Building a stadium 16 miles from your previous stadium is actually considered a “relocation” by you? Lol. By that definition
, every team in the history of sports that isn’t playing in the original stadium that they start in has been relocated.
You cannot be serious here. Sometimes it’s better to just chalk up the other person’s perspective as being flawed and moving on, rather than lowering yourself to their standards and create an even more flawed argument simply to try to “win” an argument.
but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Perhaps a new legacy, but the name persevered. It's like the St. Louis to Arizona Cardinals or Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta Braves. Unlike the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens or Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avalanche - those are resets to me.
but I'll let you rationalize it how you want, lol
I say once you relocate, a new legacy is born :D
So, NY to NJ doesn't count as relocating for you?
They kept the New York name, so I don't consider it relocating :)
comparing caricatures to sambos is that black people don't look like sambo characters. thats just racist white people shit.
to me the term Indian as a team name is worse than the logo(maybe have the logo in red doesn't help).
but the redskins logo doesn't seem offensive. the name sure as hell does. the question is would people find "the washington Tribes" or "Tribesman" offensive too in this climate where everything is offensive.
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
The Texas Rangers have come under fire for the racist history of the namesakes.
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Completely untrue. I actually think the exact opposite - when the “snowflakes” push back the accusers typically can’t handle it. Fascinating character study, I experience it a lot with some friends of mine.
It is amazing and fun to see how out of sorts some people get when called out on something by so called "snowflakes." Snowflakes have no right to be offended but something, butnthey have every right to blow a gasket over it.
The majority of Native Americans feel about all these names, Braves, Chiefs, Warriors, Redskins, etc.
Not really relevant what any of us think.
Have the Golden State Warriors ever made any reference to Native Americans? As far back as I can remember (circa 1994) their logo was a friggin miscolored bridge.
The word "warrior" itself has no explicit connection to Native Americans.
RE: RE: I would really be interested to learn what
Have the Golden State Warriors ever made any reference to Native Americans? As far back as I can remember (circa 1994) their logo was a friggin miscolored bridge.
Seems unlikely their logo was the Bay Bridge when they played in Philadelphia. I wonder if the internet keeps track of these things.
Nike has pulled Washington merch from their website
And I dont see Snyder budging. You can expect protests outside FedEx if there is football in the fall. Regardless of how you feel about the name I think we can agree that'll be fun.
RE: RE: RE: I would really be interested to learn what
Have the Golden State Warriors ever made any reference to Native Americans? As far back as I can remember (circa 1994) their logo was a friggin miscolored bridge.
Seems unlikely their logo was the Bay Bridge when they played in Philadelphia. I wonder if the internet keeps track of these things.
Thanks Mike, gotta love that '51 logo! Also, way to step on a decent joke about the Warriors taking an image of one of the most famous bridges in America and rendering it in the wrong color.
By the way, you sent me down an internet rabbit hole vis-a-vis which bridge is actually in the logo. Seems it used to be the Golden Gate Bridge, but was changed to the Bay Bridge during their last refresh.
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Plenty of people care, you just don't, big big difference. Of those you mentioned, Indians is only offensive because Columbus didn't land in fucking India like he thought he did.
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Plenty of people care, you just don't, big big difference. Of those you mentioned, Indians is only offensive because Columbus didn't land in fucking India like he thought he did.
Nothing to do with those specific names, but I think the whole idea of names is silly. I really do prefer giving the team sponsor names (akin to field name rights) but, failing that, there’s nothing at all wrong with FC Washington, etc.
that GoTerps made the argument that nothing will change until money gets involved. He indicated until the protest about the name begins to meaningfully affect income, the team and the NFL won’t change the name. Seems to me that’s what is going on right now and GoTerps knew what he was talking about. I think this tactic where the sponsors are demanding the name change will make something happen.
Ok, I took a look...Here's the original article that mentions Snyder trademarking the name for an Arena Team in Washington (a white and gold arrow with feathers logo!!)that never came to be (from 2005): Warriors, Come In to Play!
However, I took a look at the current trademark status for "Washington Warriors", which says "DEAD/APPLICATION/Refused/Dismissed or Invalidated;This trademark application was refused, dismissed, or invalidated by the Office and this application is no longer active."
This may be a THIRD party application that was refused, as when you open up the "Current Owner" tab, you see that the current owner is Washington Football, Inc.
Now, I'm not sure how Snyder kept the trademark, as I thought there was a limitation on how long you can keep a trademark without using it (though Snyder has a lot of political connections with influence).
that GoTerps made the argument that nothing will change until money gets involved. He indicated until the protest about the name begins to meaningfully affect income, the team and the NFL won’t change the name. Seems to me that’s what is going on right now and GoTerps knew what he was talking about. I think this tactic where the sponsors are demanding the name change will make something happen.
What’s the phrase? Go for the money?
This is not a GoTerps revelation. This is how the NFL has always operated, they won’t change until either money gets tight or they see an opportunity to profit.
Just look at the anthem they want to do. A year ago they were fining players for kneeling and now they all of a sudden changed to embrace it? No shot, it’s 100% opportunistic and always has been.
There are some good ideas here about keeping the logo and changing the name. I'm guessing they will go with something military themed. The NFL loves to incorporate jingoistic military displays into their marketing it's catnip to them.
they should probably get rid of the "Washington" part now too. People who find Washington offensive is picking up steam these days.
they should call them themselves something like the Capital City Capitals or something so utterly innocuous no one can ever complain.
And for the record Capital City Capitals is from the Simpsons (Dancin' Homer episode), so if that's the way they go, once again the Simpsons will be prophetic.
They should go with an empty circle like Land O'Lakes
What’s the big deal with changing the name anyway? You get some positive press, you make people happy and you sell some new merch.
Seriously, this is the hill Synder is dying on? Makes no sense.
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
You do understand that their name is very, very old. Long before anybody thought about it.
If the Washingtons truly want to keep a Native American name theme, ask a local nation's permission to use their name and pay a naming rights fee.
It is such a source of consternation that they really need to bite the "bullet" and change.
This adequately sums up my thoughts on the matter.
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There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
I had the same exact question.
Thanks for the history.
Snyder needs to get off his high horse and take some action. I assume this is all about money and he thinks the value of his team will go down if he changes the name. If he can come up with a cool name, he could make a ton of money selling new merchandise.
In fact, Washington sucks so bad now, this would be the perfect time to change the name.
FSU has special permission from the Seminole Nations. In order to keep using the Seminole name, FSU has to meet certain criteria one of which is all students need to take a class on Native American history/heritage(IIRC).
Done with permission, dignity and honor I do not see a problem. IMHO
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There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
thank god the coach wasn't black!
How about the "Washington Assault Rifles," or "The Dukes of Washington"?
the same logo with a different name could work.
i was also not a fan of the bullets/wizard change. aesthetically it was horrible.
the same logo with a different name could work.
So as long as a team's name isn't too bluntly offensive, a sambo doll works for a logo?
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but i don't think having native american themed team names/logos is racist. Theres got to be a middle ground somewhere. Braves? cmon. the cleveland indian logo looks racist but THATS WHAT CARTOON CARICATURES ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. if it was the cleveland greeks, the logo would have a big nose and furry eyebrows.
the same logo with a different name could work.
So as long as a team's name isn't too bluntly offensive, a sambo doll works for a logo?
Depends. On the left is Sambo imagery, on the right is what was used as the basis for the ND logo.
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thank god the coach wasn't black!
I had a joke here and then I thought better of it.
I'm pretty surprised the name hasn't been changed yet. Braves, Chiefs, Blackhawks, and Indians I can see a case for too, but they are not derogatory per se, like the Redskins.
Seems like Snider has his heels firmly dug in, I hope they stay that way, so more and more people hate them and create unnecessary distractions.
Didn't they do a poll a few years ago and found most (native americans?) don't want it changed ?
😂😂😂
This would be absolutely amazing if it happened!
Best idea I've heard yet.
(referencing his predraft workouts...)
Redskins changes their name, apparel companies sell a bunch of new merchandise, investors make more money.
That's it, plain and simple.
to me the term Indian as a team name is worse than the logo(maybe have the logo in red doesn't help).
but the redskins logo doesn't seem offensive. the name sure as hell does. the question is would people find "the washington Tribes" or "Tribesman" offensive too in this climate where everything is offensive.
(referencing his predraft workouts...)
Or change it to Hog Mollies and trade them Gettleman.
Redskins changes their name, apparel companies sell a bunch of new merchandise, investors make more money.
That's it, plain and simple.
+1 ... but you know the social media nitwits are going to jump on the bandwagon ... this country with its lack of balls and brains is fast going down the shitter.
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There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
You do understand that their name is very, very old. Long before anybody thought about it.
If the Washingtons truly want to keep a Native American name theme, ask a local nation's permission to use their name and pay a naming rights fee.
It is such a source of consternation that they really need to bite the "bullet" and change.
It was a racial slur 100 years ago and its a slur now.
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There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
You do understand that their name is very, very old. Long before anybody thought about it.
If the Washingtons truly want to keep a Native American name theme, ask a local nation's permission to use their name and pay a naming rights fee.
It is such a source of consternation that they really need to bite the "bullet" and change.
It was a racial slur 100 years ago and its a slur now.
MEOW !
It will help to honor the community/population that they have denigrated for so many years
Truly, the whole mascot thing is stupid and childish in the first place.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Thanks for the rhyme, Johnny Cochran. And thanks for your input. We know you were part of the targeted group after all.
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Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Like the Giants and Rangers?
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Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Like the Giants and Rangers?
Yessir...but that doesn't mean WEEEEE have to change it. Theyyyy should be the ones to change their names :P WE'VEEEEE been around longer so WEEEE get priority.
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
It appears that winoguy is actually Dan Quayle.
Completely untrue. I actually think the exact opposite - when the “snowflakes” push back the accusers typically can’t handle it. Fascinating character study, I experience it a lot with some friends of mine.
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but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Perhaps a new legacy, but the name persevered. It's like the St. Louis to Arizona Cardinals or Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta Braves. Unlike the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens or Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avalanche - those are resets to me.
but I'll let you rationalize it how you want, lol
You sound nice.
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Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Completely untrue. I actually think the exact opposite - when the “snowflakes” push back the accusers typically can’t handle it. Fascinating character study, I experience it a lot with some friends of mine.
SMFH...pissing contest.
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but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Perhaps a new legacy, but the name persevered. It's like the St. Louis to Arizona Cardinals or Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta Braves. Unlike the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens or Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avalanche - those are resets to me.
but I'll let you rationalize it how you want, lol
I say once you relocate, a new legacy is born :D
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but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Perhaps a new legacy, but the name persevered. It's like the St. Louis to Arizona Cardinals or Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta Braves. Unlike the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens or Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avalanche - those are resets to me.
but I'll let you rationalize it how you want, lol
I say once you relocate, a new legacy is born :D
So, NY to NJ doesn't count as relocating for you?
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but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Perhaps a new legacy, but the name persevered. It's like the St. Louis to Arizona Cardinals or Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta Braves. Unlike the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens or Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avalanche - those are resets to me.
but I'll let you rationalize it how you want, lol
I say once you relocate, a new legacy is born :D
So, NY to NJ doesn't count as relocating for you?
Wait. Building a stadium 16 miles from your previous stadium is actually considered a “relocation” by you? Lol. By that definition
, every team in the history of sports that isn’t playing in the original stadium that they start in has been relocated.
You cannot be serious here. Sometimes it’s better to just chalk up the other person’s perspective as being flawed and moving on, rather than lowering yourself to their standards and create an even more flawed argument simply to try to “win” an argument.
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but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
I realize, but the San Francisco Giants are not the New York Baseball Giants. It's like when the Whalers turned into the Hurricanes. Birth of a new legacy.
Perhaps a new legacy, but the name persevered. It's like the St. Louis to Arizona Cardinals or Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta Braves. Unlike the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Ravens or Quebec Nordiques to Colorado Avalanche - those are resets to me.
but I'll let you rationalize it how you want, lol
I say once you relocate, a new legacy is born :D
So, NY to NJ doesn't count as relocating for you?
They kept the New York name, so I don't consider it relocating :)
Not really relevant what any of us think.
to me the term Indian as a team name is worse than the logo(maybe have the logo in red doesn't help).
but the redskins logo doesn't seem offensive. the name sure as hell does. the question is would people find "the washington Tribes" or "Tribesman" offensive too in this climate where everything is offensive.
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Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Completely untrue. I actually think the exact opposite - when the “snowflakes” push back the accusers typically can’t handle it. Fascinating character study, I experience it a lot with some friends of mine.
Not really relevant what any of us think.
Have the Golden State Warriors ever made any reference to Native Americans? As far back as I can remember (circa 1994) their logo was a friggin miscolored bridge.
The word "warrior" itself has no explicit connection to Native Americans.
Seems unlikely their logo was the Bay Bridge when they played in Philadelphia. I wonder if the internet keeps track of these things.
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Have the Golden State Warriors ever made any reference to Native Americans? As far back as I can remember (circa 1994) their logo was a friggin miscolored bridge.
Seems unlikely their logo was the Bay Bridge when they played in Philadelphia. I wonder if the internet keeps track of these things.
Thanks Mike, gotta love that '51 logo! Also, way to step on a decent joke about the Warriors taking an image of one of the most famous bridges in America and rendering it in the wrong color.
By the way, you sent me down an internet rabbit hole vis-a-vis which bridge is actually in the logo. Seems it used to be the Golden Gate Bridge, but was changed to the Bay Bridge during their last refresh.
Only 1 guy on this thread seems bothered and/or offended, the irony
Would you use the term “redskin” in the company of an American Indian?
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Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Plenty of people care, you just don't, big big difference. Of those you mentioned, Indians is only offensive because Columbus didn't land in fucking India like he thought he did.
Nothing to do with those specific names, but I think the whole idea of names is silly. I really do prefer giving the team sponsor names (akin to field name rights) but, failing that, there’s nothing at all wrong with FC Washington, etc.
I am offended that the league has decided to embrace their own demise with recent announcements.
What’s the phrase? Go for the money?
The Browns were originally the Brown Bombers.
As least that what it says on the internet.
Good.
I am offended that the league has decided to embrace their own demise with recent announcements.
Apparently, there's been some infighting; with Snyder not using the trademark, some squatters have tried to snap it up (see this article from 2015, Trademark squatter banking on different nicknames in hopes of Redskins name change and this one from 2012 Could the Washington Redskins become the Washington Warriors?).
However, I took a look at the current trademark status for "Washington Warriors", which says "DEAD/APPLICATION/Refused/Dismissed or Invalidated;This trademark application was refused, dismissed, or invalidated by the Office and this application is no longer active."
This may be a THIRD party application that was refused, as when you open up the "Current Owner" tab, you see that the current owner is Washington Football, Inc.
Now, I'm not sure how Snyder kept the trademark, as I thought there was a limitation on how long you can keep a trademark without using it (though Snyder has a lot of political connections with influence).
What’s the phrase? Go for the money?
This is not a GoTerps revelation. This is how the NFL has always operated, they won’t change until either money gets tight or they see an opportunity to profit.
Just look at the anthem they want to do. A year ago they were fining players for kneeling and now they all of a sudden changed to embrace it? No shot, it’s 100% opportunistic and always has been.
-Drop the “skins” and just go by Washington Reds
-Keep the same logo, but using an R instead
Fabulous feature of a free market, capitalist economy.
Snyder should volunteer to move the team to Mexico City. Jacksonville will go to London. Goodell will be all over that. It would happen.
Then Snyder gets his revenge at DC by taking away their team.
Washington Generals/Soldiers/Troops/Defenders.
How can you not support the Troops!
Dan, do it! I want this to be their logo...
Dan, do it! I want this to be their logo...
Aren’t they the team that always gets pummeled by the Globetrotters?
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"Washington Generals" is trending on Twitter!
Dan, do it! I want this to be their logo...
Aren’t they the team that always gets pummeled by the Globetrotters?
Yes! That makes it perfect!
I hate the Eagles, Cowboys and Generals now. LOL.
they should call them themselves something like the Capital City Capitals or something so utterly innocuous no one can ever complain.
And for the record Capital City Capitals is from the Simpsons (Dancin' Homer episode), so if that's the way they go, once again the Simpsons will be prophetic.
Redtails - ( New Window )
I don’t think you need to change the logo that much, just replace it with an R and call it a day.
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the ForeSkins but that might be offensive to the Jewish folks.
What would we care? We get rid of that useless flap.
IF YOU DON'T GET THE JOKE DON'T RESPOND YOU FLAPLESS IDIOT