it just adds more fuel to the skins fans fire that the Giants are their mortal enemy and stop at nothing to see that franchise falter. Even when we suck, we own that sorry ass team.
There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
I had the same exact question.
Thanks for the history.
Snyder needs to get off his high horse and take some action. I assume this is all about money and he thinks the value of his team will go down if he changes the name. If he can come up with a cool name, he could make a ton of money selling new merchandise.
In fact, Washington sucks so bad now, this would be the perfect time to change the name.
RE: So can you keep the native american theme and hence the Logo?
Like the Braves or the Seminoles or is that off limits now?
FSU has special permission from the Seminole Nations. In order to keep using the Seminole name, FSU has to meet certain criteria one of which is all students need to take a class on Native American history/heritage(IIRC).
Done with permission, dignity and honor I do not see a problem. IMHO
There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
but i don't think having native american themed team names/logos is racist. Theres got to be a middle ground somewhere. Braves? cmon. the cleveland indian logo looks racist but THATS WHAT CARTOON CARICATURES ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. if it was the cleveland greeks, the logo would have a big nose and furry eyebrows.
the same logo with a different name could work.
i was also not a fan of the bullets/wizard change. aesthetically it was horrible.
RE: not that i dont think redskins is derogatory as FK
but i don't think having native american themed team names/logos is racist. Theres got to be a middle ground somewhere. Braves? cmon. the cleveland indian logo looks racist but THATS WHAT CARTOON CARICATURES ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. if it was the cleveland greeks, the logo would have a big nose and furry eyebrows.
the same logo with a different name could work.
So as long as a team's name isn't too bluntly offensive, a sambo doll works for a logo?
but i don't think having native american themed team names/logos is racist. Theres got to be a middle ground somewhere. Braves? cmon. the cleveland indian logo looks racist but THATS WHAT CARTOON CARICATURES ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. if it was the cleveland greeks, the logo would have a big nose and furry eyebrows.
the same logo with a different name could work.
So as long as a team's name isn't too bluntly offensive, a sambo doll works for a logo?
Depends. On the left is Sambo imagery, on the right is what was used as the basis for the ND logo.
logo/mascot cancellations are misguided IMO and not impactful, but the Redskins is not one of them.
I'm pretty surprised the name hasn't been changed yet. Braves, Chiefs, Blackhawks, and Indians I can see a case for too, but they are not derogatory per se, like the Redskins.
Seems like Snider has his heels firmly dug in, I hope they stay that way, so more and more people hate them and create unnecessary distractions.
If it could be decided by some type of vote by Native Americans. That way we would actually know if it is wanted to be changed by more than just a minority of outspoken activists and a few others. I'm all for changing it, but only if the majority of people's whose opinions actually matter and not the Kate Mara's of the world.
Didn't they do a poll a few years ago and found most (native americans?) don't want it changed ?
comparing caricatures to sambos is that black people don't look like sambo characters. thats just racist white people shit.
to me the term Indian as a team name is worse than the logo(maybe have the logo in red doesn't help).
but the redskins logo doesn't seem offensive. the name sure as hell does. the question is would people find "the washington Tribes" or "Tribesman" offensive too in this climate where everything is offensive.
The football team that plays its games in Washington
just change it to synderskins (which I think people use anyway to refer to him) and then put his profile pic on the helmet. It would totally stroke his ego.
"Investors" give a shit about one thing and one thing only...money.
Redskins changes their name, apparel companies sell a bunch of new merchandise, investors make more money.
That's it, plain and simple.
+1 ... but you know the social media nitwits are going to jump on the bandwagon ... this country with its lack of balls and brains is fast going down the shitter.
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Nobody bitches except snowflakes and liberals. Who cares. Next it will be the Chiefs, Braves, Indians, Rangers, and God knows what else! If the flakes don't like the name, don't watch the game!
Thanks for the rhyme, Johnny Cochran. And thanks for your input. We know you were part of the targeted group after all.
Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Like the Giants and Rangers?
Yessir...but that doesn't mean WEEEEE have to change it. Theyyyy should be the ones to change their names :P WE'VEEEEE been around longer so WEEEE get priority.
but the NY Giants (football team) are named after the NY Giants (baseball team - now the SF Giants).
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.
They should go with an empty circle like Land O'Lakes
What’s the big deal with changing the name anyway? You get some positive press, you make people happy and you sell some new merch.
Seriously, this is the hill Synder is dying on? Makes no sense.
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
You do understand that their name is very, very old. Long before anybody thought about it.
If the Washingtons truly want to keep a Native American name theme, ask a local nation's permission to use their name and pay a naming rights fee.
It is such a source of consternation that they really need to bite the "bullet" and change.
This adequately sums up my thoughts on the matter.
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There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
I had the same exact question.
Thanks for the history.
Snyder needs to get off his high horse and take some action. I assume this is all about money and he thinks the value of his team will go down if he changes the name. If he can come up with a cool name, he could make a ton of money selling new merchandise.
In fact, Washington sucks so bad now, this would be the perfect time to change the name.
FSU has special permission from the Seminole Nations. In order to keep using the Seminole name, FSU has to meet certain criteria one of which is all students need to take a class on Native American history/heritage(IIRC).
Done with permission, dignity and honor I do not see a problem. IMHO
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There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
They started in Boston as the Braves, sharing a stadium with the namesake baseball team. They then moved to Fenway and changed to the Redskins. The team has (recently) claimed the change was to honor their coach at the time who had native american heritage, though I don't think there's anything documented about the change other than the owner at the time saying he wanted to avoid confusion with the baseball Braves, and that he wanted to bring back "Indian football". (Also, apparently that coach's heritage is somewhat in dispute, and he may have been posing as a native american for some government benefits).
thank god the coach wasn't black!
How about the "Washington Assault Rifles," or "The Dukes of Washington"?
the same logo with a different name could work.
i was also not a fan of the bullets/wizard change. aesthetically it was horrible.
the same logo with a different name could work.
So as long as a team's name isn't too bluntly offensive, a sambo doll works for a logo?
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but i don't think having native american themed team names/logos is racist. Theres got to be a middle ground somewhere. Braves? cmon. the cleveland indian logo looks racist but THATS WHAT CARTOON CARICATURES ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. if it was the cleveland greeks, the logo would have a big nose and furry eyebrows.
the same logo with a different name could work.
So as long as a team's name isn't too bluntly offensive, a sambo doll works for a logo?
Depends. On the left is Sambo imagery, on the right is what was used as the basis for the ND logo.
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thank god the coach wasn't black!
I had a joke here and then I thought better of it.
I'm pretty surprised the name hasn't been changed yet. Braves, Chiefs, Blackhawks, and Indians I can see a case for too, but they are not derogatory per se, like the Redskins.
Seems like Snider has his heels firmly dug in, I hope they stay that way, so more and more people hate them and create unnecessary distractions.
Didn't they do a poll a few years ago and found most (native americans?) don't want it changed ?
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This would be absolutely amazing if it happened!
Best idea I've heard yet.
(referencing his predraft workouts...)
Redskins changes their name, apparel companies sell a bunch of new merchandise, investors make more money.
That's it, plain and simple.
to me the term Indian as a team name is worse than the logo(maybe have the logo in red doesn't help).
but the redskins logo doesn't seem offensive. the name sure as hell does. the question is would people find "the washington Tribes" or "Tribesman" offensive too in this climate where everything is offensive.
(referencing his predraft workouts...)
Or change it to Hog Mollies and trade them Gettleman.
Redskins changes their name, apparel companies sell a bunch of new merchandise, investors make more money.
That's it, plain and simple.
+1 ... but you know the social media nitwits are going to jump on the bandwagon ... this country with its lack of balls and brains is fast going down the shitter.
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There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
You do understand that their name is very, very old. Long before anybody thought about it.
If the Washingtons truly want to keep a Native American name theme, ask a local nation's permission to use their name and pay a naming rights fee.
It is such a source of consternation that they really need to bite the "bullet" and change.
It was a racial slur 100 years ago and its a slur now.
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There are so many cool names a Washington team could adopt. How on earth did Redskins ever get picked?
You do understand that their name is very, very old. Long before anybody thought about it.
If the Washingtons truly want to keep a Native American name theme, ask a local nation's permission to use their name and pay a naming rights fee.
It is such a source of consternation that they really need to bite the "bullet" and change.
It was a racial slur 100 years ago and its a slur now.
MEOW !
It will help to honor the community/population that they have denigrated for so many years
Truly, the whole mascot thing is stupid and childish in the first place.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Thanks for the rhyme, Johnny Cochran. And thanks for your input. We know you were part of the targeted group after all.
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Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Like the Giants and Rangers?
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Years ago, Snyder was going to buy an Arena League team to play in D.C. He trademarked "Warriors", and I think he still has that name in case the NFL makes him drop the current nickname.
I don't like it when two "Big 4" sports teams share a nickname
Like the Giants and Rangers?
Yessir...but that doesn't mean WEEEEE have to change it. Theyyyy should be the ones to change their names :P WE'VEEEEE been around longer so WEEEE get priority.
That's why the old school guys would still sometimes call them the "New York Football Giants" - for a period of time (in like the 30's or 40's) that was literally their nickname.