also supposedly ARod's group's initial offer is $2b with him as the control person. I'd probably still bet on Cohen coming in on top at the last minute, slightly below what he offered initially but higher than the others. Mets Sign Venezuelan Pitcher Throwing 100 MPH On July 2 - ( New Window )
Pass just give away the money less stress why buy a perennial looser?
Nah they are a lot better than most give them credit for. They share the town with the Yankees which gives the illusion of perennial loser. They are actually on the cusp of being a contender.
Obviously here the Yankees (and deservedly so) are going to be tough to measure against.
Tell me if this is true. Originally, he offered $2.5 billion for the team but not SNY. Then, allegedly, the Wilpons wanted to change the terms of the deal to retain more control and the deal fell through. Now, he can get the team and SNY for probably less than the 2.5?
Mets fans just not want A-Rod? I'm sure he would be great but he is still a cheater.
don't really care about the cheater aspect, but I don't want financially limited or meddling owners, and I have a hard time thinking he will hire a FO and stay out of the way.
The ideal owner has 2 things and A-Rod may not have either one.
1- unlimited resources,
2- knows he's not an expert so he uses the unlimited resources to hire a great FO.
Pass just give away the money less stress why buy a perennial looser?
Nah they are a lot better than most give them credit for. They share the town with the Yankees which gives the illusion of perennial loser. They are actually on the cusp of being a contender.
Obviously here the Yankees (and deservedly so) are going to be tough to measure against.
Yeah because the Yankees have won a ton the past decade. Haven't the Mets gone to the World Series more the past decade than the Yankees?
Pass just give away the money less stress why buy a perennial looser?
Nah they are a lot better than most give them credit for. They share the town with the Yankees which gives the illusion of perennial loser. They are actually on the cusp of being a contender.
Obviously here the Yankees (and deservedly so) are going to be tough to measure against.
Yeah because the Yankees have won a ton the past decade. Haven't the Mets gone to the World Series more the past decade than the Yankees?
Lol, come on pj. You are better than that. At this point, the “World Series” argument means absolutely nothing. Clearly a fluke. And while the Mets went right back to sucking every year, the Yankees make the playoffs every single year.
The Yankees have won a ton more than the Mets for the last 30 years.
They've seen far more Red Sox success than Yankees. They don't get the whole Yankees are winners philosophy that Yankees fans (and I guess self-loathing Mets fans have)
An entire generation of fans today do not live in the past and feel like the Yankees are winners.
I'd guess even Gen-Z Yankees fans don't have that same arrogance.
making it to the WS in 2015 was hardly a fluke, you could argue them not going back in 2016 and 2017 was directly because of ownership.
When you have a pitching staff like the 2015 Mets you build around the strength, you re-sign Murphy, etc.
definitely not a fluke to have a team with a pitching staff of deGrom, Syndergaard, and Harvey plus a solid bullpen make the WS. They lost in 5 games and had the lead in the 8th inning or later in 3 of the 4 losses.
Getting to the playoffs in 2015, IMO, was absolutely a fluke.
Prior to 2015, the last time the Mets had 80 wins was 2008.
Mediocre for most of the season, they trade for Céspedes in August and ride a historically hot Céspedes for the last two months while the Nats uncharacteristically implode. Yeah, fluke.
Haven’t made the playoffs since (playin game for the WC doesn’t count).
Meanwhile, the Yankee win win and win. And, no, I wouldn’t expect that the environment in Boston fosters a strong pro-Yankee vibe. So I kinda understand why people there don’t by into the “Yankees always win” philosophy. But the truth is...they do.
can share the view that it's pointless to invest in the Mets because "they're perennial losers", almost any educated person would feel differently, but I don't care to debate it. And it's not a Boston view, my kids don't even like baseball - other than going to the WS parades. But they just don't feel the whole Yankees are winners vibe some people like to give off - it's over (for now at least). They haven't made it to the WS since 2009.
You've got your mind made up, and I have no time for the self loathing fan.
can share the view that it's pointless to invest in the Mets because "they're perennial losers", almost any educated person would feel differently, but I don't care to debate it. And it's not a Boston view, my kids don't even like baseball - other than going to the WS parades. But they just don't feel the whole Yankees are winners vibe some people like to give off - it's over (for now at least). They haven't made it to the WS since 2009.
You've got your mind made up, and I have no time for the self loathing fan.
Haha, well I never said that but please, continue to create whatever narrative works for you. But here’s a hint...they are perennial losers. Sorry to burst your bubble. I know you absolutely love to argue about the Mets with just about everyone lately but it doesn’t change what they are. And their fluke of a WS experience lasted about 5 minutes before they went right back to sucking. Blame the owners if you want. Does it really matter? Doesn’t change the facts.
I welcome a change at the ownership level. It’s the only way I can see the Mets turning the corner and succeeding. But I also don’t care to hear what non-baseball fans living in Boston think about the Yankees. Lol, biased much?
Of course it matters because that's the whole point
if you view the Mets issues for not sustaining 2006 or not sustaining 2015 because of payroll constraints or being unwilling to exceed the luxury tax for a year as a trade off for winning a title (like the Yankees and Red Sox have been willing to do) then yes, new ownership has the ability to change that perennial losers.
the Mets have a solid core for a team if you won't acknowledge that then you don't want to acknowledge that, but they need flexibility to enhance that core - and so far the Wilpons have been unwilling to pull out all the stops to build a winner.
My hope is a new owner will do what it takes to win.
Hey, I’ll kill the Wilpons just as much as the next guy.
But the Wilpons didn’t trade Murphy. The Wilpons didn’t take the team in the opposite direction after 2015. That was Sandy.
We can all look to the future. It all looks like the Wilpons time is limited...and that’s good for all of us.
Fair, but it is my assumption Sandy didn't have the choice. he offered the QO but no long-term contract at all - like Wheeler, Murphy wanted and expected the Mets to offer him a contract - but nothing - nada - and it's not like 2nd base had someone pushing Murphy - wasn't that when they added Neil Walker?
And they only way they were even able to add Walker was to get the Pirates to take Jon Niese.
I believe Sandy's hands were tied. a lot more than we know.
Anyway, I don't think the Mets are perennial losers. They've been to 3 LCSs and 2 WS since 2000 and I believe with an ownership who puts winning above profits the Mets can become perennial contenders.
also supposedly ARod's group's initial offer is $2b with him as the control person. I'd probably still bet on Cohen coming in on top at the last minute, slightly below what he offered initially but higher than the others. Mets Sign Venezuelan Pitcher Throwing 100 MPH On July 2 - ( New Window )
Eric,
He's already 21 and signed for 40K. Cool he throws 100 but...
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Mets Sign Venezuelan Pitcher Throwing 100 MPH On July 2 - ( New Window )
A good owner in NYC makes $1b on the investment within a decade.
Nah they are a lot better than most give them credit for. They share the town with the Yankees which gives the illusion of perennial loser. They are actually on the cusp of being a contender.
Obviously here the Yankees (and deservedly so) are going to be tough to measure against.
don't really care about the cheater aspect, but I don't want financially limited or meddling owners, and I have a hard time thinking he will hire a FO and stay out of the way.
The ideal owner has 2 things and A-Rod may not have either one.
1- unlimited resources,
2- knows he's not an expert so he uses the unlimited resources to hire a great FO.
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Pass just give away the money less stress why buy a perennial looser?
Nah they are a lot better than most give them credit for. They share the town with the Yankees which gives the illusion of perennial loser. They are actually on the cusp of being a contender.
Obviously here the Yankees (and deservedly so) are going to be tough to measure against.
Yeah because the Yankees have won a ton the past decade. Haven't the Mets gone to the World Series more the past decade than the Yankees?
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Pass just give away the money less stress why buy a perennial looser?
Nah they are a lot better than most give them credit for. They share the town with the Yankees which gives the illusion of perennial loser. They are actually on the cusp of being a contender.
Obviously here the Yankees (and deservedly so) are going to be tough to measure against.
Yeah because the Yankees have won a ton the past decade. Haven't the Mets gone to the World Series more the past decade than the Yankees?
Lol, come on pj. You are better than that. At this point, the “World Series” argument means absolutely nothing. Clearly a fluke. And while the Mets went right back to sucking every year, the Yankees make the playoffs every single year.
The Yankees have won a ton more than the Mets for the last 30 years.
They've seen far more Red Sox success than Yankees. They don't get the whole Yankees are winners philosophy that Yankees fans (and I guess self-loathing Mets fans have)
An entire generation of fans today do not live in the past and feel like the Yankees are winners.
I'd guess even Gen-Z Yankees fans don't have that same arrogance.
It's mostly the old timers.
When you have a pitching staff like the 2015 Mets you build around the strength, you re-sign Murphy, etc.
definitely not a fluke to have a team with a pitching staff of deGrom, Syndergaard, and Harvey plus a solid bullpen make the WS. They lost in 5 games and had the lead in the 8th inning or later in 3 of the 4 losses.
Mediocre for most of the season, they trade for Céspedes in August and ride a historically hot Céspedes for the last two months while the Nats uncharacteristically implode. Yeah, fluke.
Haven’t made the playoffs since (playin game for the WC doesn’t count).
Meanwhile, the Yankee win win and win. And, no, I wouldn’t expect that the environment in Boston fosters a strong pro-Yankee vibe. So I kinda understand why people there don’t by into the “Yankees always win” philosophy. But the truth is...they do.
You've got your mind made up, and I have no time for the self loathing fan.
You've got your mind made up, and I have no time for the self loathing fan.
Haha, well I never said that but please, continue to create whatever narrative works for you. But here’s a hint...they are perennial losers. Sorry to burst your bubble. I know you absolutely love to argue about the Mets with just about everyone lately but it doesn’t change what they are. And their fluke of a WS experience lasted about 5 minutes before they went right back to sucking. Blame the owners if you want. Does it really matter? Doesn’t change the facts.
I welcome a change at the ownership level. It’s the only way I can see the Mets turning the corner and succeeding. But I also don’t care to hear what non-baseball fans living in Boston think about the Yankees. Lol, biased much?
the Mets have a solid core for a team if you won't acknowledge that then you don't want to acknowledge that, but they need flexibility to enhance that core - and so far the Wilpons have been unwilling to pull out all the stops to build a winner.
My hope is a new owner will do what it takes to win.
We can all look to the future. It all looks like the Wilpons time is limited...and that’s good for all of us.
We can all look to the future. It all looks like the Wilpons time is limited...and that’s good for all of us.
Fair, but it is my assumption Sandy didn't have the choice. he offered the QO but no long-term contract at all - like Wheeler, Murphy wanted and expected the Mets to offer him a contract - but nothing - nada - and it's not like 2nd base had someone pushing Murphy - wasn't that when they added Neil Walker?
And they only way they were even able to add Walker was to get the Pirates to take Jon Niese.
I believe Sandy's hands were tied. a lot more than we know.
Anyway, I don't think the Mets are perennial losers. They've been to 3 LCSs and 2 WS since 2000 and I believe with an ownership who puts winning above profits the Mets can become perennial contenders.
Eric,
He's already 21 and signed for 40K. Cool he throws 100 but...