The virus has been shown to negatively affect (or kill) folks who are typically older, or with chronic or immunocompromised health conditions.
An NFL player, being the stallions that they are, most likely do not fall into this category. The high performance athletes we know of who have gotten the virus appear to be fine afterwards.
Now, what if the NFL decided to allow players to voluntarily infect themselves by exposing themselves to other players who have the virus so that teams can build the proper immunity? This would head off the very likely chance of Covid appearing during the worse times this season, and systematically picking off players to the point teams cannot even be fielded and the fear factor forces the season to be cancelled.
I can see Belichick already incorporating this approach, sly fox that he is, always one step ahead. So when teams’ players start dropping like flies during the season the Pats will have the strongest team, both immunologically and otherwise. Little tongue in cheek on BB here, but why can I see him doing this? It would remove unpredictability and give them an edge. Two things he always looks for. But for the league it would remove the unpredictability too if they can get this done in the next month, or prior to the start of the season.
Crazy or not so crazy? I have a hard time seeing the NFL season happening if a handful to 1/4 of every roster is infected at any given time. If there is no immunity, and the spread is organically feathered due to quarantining, you can place bets now that this is what’s going to happen and the NFL season will either not start or not finish. Could self-infliction be a solution to the problem?
Extreme, yes. Crazy? What say you?
Not proven, but would you say it a very good chance it gives immunity depending on what we know about similar viruses? Curious your opinion on this.
He talked about how no one knows the long term impact of this disease. Does it cause chronic organ damage we don't yet understand? Could it possible take years off your life? No one can say this with 100% certainty, so best not to get it.
Pro athletes, who depend on their bodies to be finely tuned, shouldn't purposefully get this since we don't know the long term impact it could have on their health. Same goes for everyone.
There's also a large spectrum of symptoms and while most may be mild, some can be quite severe even if they fall short of death. There could also be a long term impact on your organs particularly the lungs for some.
And like BB'56 said, antibodies may not even confer immunity and even if they do, we have no idea how long they last. Could be setting the team up for a team-wide infection come Dec!
Does it lessen the effect - also unknown. What happens if a couple players get deathly ill? Young have died from it.
BB'56 would know better than most of us here at BBI. But I think this baby has even the best MDs and Scientists scratching their heads.
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NFL is entertainment. It's important enough to expose people to unknown diseases.
Well, we've always known you as a all-for-me and none-for-you kind of guy, Chris! 😉
Although there is a sweet spot of lethality for viruses, covid may just have hit that.
Although there is a sweet spot of lethality for viruses, covid may just have hit that.
Or vice versa. Often increased passage leads to a weakening.
Regardless, I don't think this virus is that great of a mutating virus.
I would also pose a question of what happens if Saquon and or Daniel Jones gets sick and has some sort of lung damage and can’t get back to their peak athletic form? Does anyone here want to see that happen? Not saying it will, but it’s definitely one of the many scenarios that could happen.
But it does act like a virus...
Absolutely no doctor would intentionally infect a patient with the covid virus or any other disease.
Absolutely no doctor would intentionally infect a patient with the covid virus or any other disease.
In the US divide the number of deaths by numer of infected and you get a mortality rate of .047. The world death rate is consistent with US at .048.
That means that 99.953% of those infected survive the virus. Take out those with compromised immunities, and preexposed conditions, and the death rate is even lower.
The problem with the virus is the fear of the virus. If you have a good immune system and no preexisting conditions there should be no fear of getting it.
Like a cold or the flu, you get it, you get over it, you continue life till you get another cold or the flu again.
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Absolutely no doctor would intentionally infect a patient with the covid virus or any other disease.
In the US divide the number of deaths by numer of infected and you get a mortality rate of .047. The world death rate is consistent with US at .048.
That means that 99.953% of those infected survive the virus. Take out those with compromised immunities, and preexposed conditions, and the death rate is even lower.
The problem with the virus is the fear of the virus. If you have a good immune system and no preexisting conditions there should be no fear of getting it.
Like a cold or the flu, you get it, you get over it, you continue life till you get another cold or the flu again.
I know Cowboy fans suck at math, but .047 = 4.7%
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were all old or infirm.
Absolutely no doctor would intentionally infect a patient with the covid virus or any other disease.
In the US divide the number of deaths by numer of infected and you get a mortality rate of .047. The world death rate is consistent with US at .048.
That means that 99.953% of those infected survive the virus. Take out those with compromised immunities, and preexposed conditions, and the death rate is even lower.
The problem with the virus is the fear of the virus. If you have a good immune system and no preexisting conditions there should be no fear of getting it.
Like a cold or the flu, you get it, you get over it, you continue life till you get another cold or the flu again.
I know Cowboy fans suck at math, but .047 = 4.7%
Thanks for the help.
But the point still stands.
Next question
Although there is a sweet spot of lethality for viruses, covid may just have hit that.
The good news is that more lethal mutations generally die out faster. If a virus is highly effective in killing its hosts, mathematically, across a population its hosts will infect fewer people and eventually cause the virus to die out.
Typically, it is the less-lethal mutations that persist and infect larger populations because their hosts survive and, therefore, have greater opportunities to transmit disease.
It is postulated that the European strain, for instance, that impacted Italy, Spain, UK, Belgium, etc., and came to New York in the early spring, was a more lethal mutation than the Chinese strain which was first observed on the West Coast. There is significant evidence that the two strains are different, but their behavior and mechanism of infection isn't totally understood yet, as we are still pretty early in the game from the perspective of virology and infectious disease research.
Oh yeah, before I forget, this thread is asinine.
And yes, I realize Clemson is ACC. But it's out in SEC land.
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were all old or infirm.
Absolutely no doctor would intentionally infect a patient with the covid virus or any other disease.
In the US divide the number of deaths by numer of infected and you get a mortality rate of .047. The world death rate is consistent with US at .048.
That means that 99.953% of those infected survive the virus. Take out those with compromised immunities, and preexposed conditions, and the death rate is even lower.
The problem with the virus is the fear of the virus. If you have a good immune system and no preexisting conditions there should be no fear of getting it.
Like a cold or the flu, you get it, you get over it, you continue life till you get another cold or the flu again.
I know Cowboy fans suck at math, but .047 = 4.7%
Thanks for the help.
But the point still stands.
We know the long-term consequences of catching the flu or a head cold. Please detail WHY the long-term impacts of COVID-19, as a disease that affects numerous pathways, will have the same long-term profile as these aforementioned?
Sometimes Cowboys fans should just shut the fuck up...
Brilliant!
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were all old or infirm.
Absolutely no doctor would intentionally infect a patient with the covid virus or any other disease.
In the US divide the number of deaths by numer of infected and you get a mortality rate of .047. The world death rate is consistent with US at .048.
That means that 99.953% of those infected survive the virus. Take out those with compromised immunities, and preexposed conditions, and the death rate is even lower.
The problem with the virus is the fear of the virus. If you have a good immune system and no preexisting conditions there should be no fear of getting it.
Like a cold or the flu, you get it, you get over it, you continue life till you get another cold or the flu again.
I know Cowboy fans suck at math, but .047 = 4.7%
Thanks for the help.
But the point still stands.
How does the point still stand? Your survival rate dropped from 99.95% to 95.3%
Now I don’t think the death rate is 4-5% but it could be 1-2% which is still pretty scary.
Students at Alabama are throwing “covid parties”.
To quote dodgeball “That’s a bold strategy cotton, let’s see if it works out for them”
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Ok ... I’m right behind you.
Precisely why I thought to raise the question. Boomer Esiason brought up this topic on his show recently too.
Of course were this to happen it would need to be voluntary and/or there would need to be a sky diving type waiver in place. It likely couldn't be directed by teams / NFL, but it would have to be seen as the player's choice.
Will be interesting to see what comes of the "on the down low" self-infecting occurring on various college campuses throughout the US.
This is the scary part. I wonder if the altitude up in Denver makes it even worse to recover from.
There's a ton of information out there about this stuff. I'm often perplexed at how many people look at that information and kind of go "Yeah, but..." I know the virus is new, and we are still learning how it spreads and how it affects people. I know they initially said masks didn't help, and that asymptomatic people weren't contagious. I know those things were wrong. But I'm thinking that the information is getting better and more complete, there are more known knowns and known unknowns, and yet there's a lot of wishful/magical thinking going on. We want sports back, so we want this kind of thing to work. Even though everything we seem to know says that it's going to backfire.
It is amazing how people can be isolated by this infection for months, yet never get around to readIng a single article about what it is and what it does.
Statistically most will be fine but we still can’t clearly define risks of doing poorly .
Does it lessen the effect - also unknown. What happens if a couple players get deathly ill? Young have died from it.
BB'56 would know better than most of us here at BBI. But I think this baby has even the best MDs and Scientists scratching their heads.
test is only 70% accurate. there is a considerably higher likelihood that the first positive test was a false positive than being able to get it a second time.
my wife works directly with respiratory illness and the sciences behind it. there is also no link to covid causing issues that weren't already there. So if a 55 year old had heart issues after, the issues where there just not as severe and in some cases asymptomatic
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prevent recurrence. People have gotten it twice. Even the flu comes back and can be caught again - that is why you get a flu shot every year and it may contain anti-bodies that were in the previous year's vaccine.
Does it lessen the effect - also unknown. What happens if a couple players get deathly ill? Young have died from it.
BB'56 would know better than most of us here at BBI. But I think this baby has even the best MDs and Scientists scratching their heads.
test is only 70% accurate. there is a considerably higher likelihood that the first positive test was a false positive than being able to get it a second time.
my wife works directly with respiratory illness and the sciences behind it. there is also no link to covid causing issues that weren't already there. So if a 55 year old had heart issues after, the issues where there just not as severe and in some cases asymptomatic
That’s not true. There’s plenty of shit antibody tests (and maybe a couple of molecular tests). Ut there’s also some very good ones. You can check the FDA website and actually see the performance characteristics. And the false positive rate and false negative rate for the approved tests are not even close to 30%.
And, with all due respect to your wife, there are plenty of secondary effects caused by CoV-2 which are new and. Or just exacerbating pre-existing conditions. A lot of the clotting issues are new to the patient, for example. Comorbidities for sure lead to more severity of disease but some of the stuff definitely wasn’t there before infection.
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prevent recurrence. People have gotten it twice. Even the flu comes back and can be caught again - that is why you get a flu shot every year and it may contain anti-bodies that were in the previous year's vaccine.
Does it lessen the effect - also unknown. What happens if a couple players get deathly ill? Young have died from it.
BB'56 would know better than most of us here at BBI. But I think this baby has even the best MDs and Scientists scratching their heads.
test is only 70% accurate. there is a considerably higher likelihood that the first positive test was a false positive than being able to get it a second time.
my wife works directly with respiratory illness and the sciences behind it. there is also no link to covid causing issues that weren't already there. So if a 55 year old had heart issues after, the issues where there just not as severe and in some cases asymptomatic
That’s not true. There’s plenty of shit antibody tests (and maybe a couple of molecular tests). Ut there’s also some very good ones. You can check the FDA website and actually see the performance characteristics. And the false positive rate and false negative rate for the approved tests are not even close to 30%.
And, with all due respect to your wife, there are plenty of secondary effects caused by CoV-2 which are new and. Or just exacerbating pre-existing conditions. A lot of the clotting issues are new to the patient, for example. Comorbidities for sure lead to more severity of disease but some of the stuff definitely wasn’t there before infection.
I'll let the researchers at yale who have dedicated their lives work to these things know their wrong and the guy in the internet knows better.
Also its extremely naive to think the FDA or any other government funded agency has been fully transparent
Several babies who are infected with CoV-2 have been shown to have a condition called Kawasaki Disease, with basically inflamed blood vessels. It’s related to the clotting disorders seen in Covid adults. So, when did the infants first come down with heart disease for the virus infection to exacerbate?
Second point, is wrt the FDA, it would seem that them putting the data on test performance on a public website would be *more* transparent, rather than less. You don’t think?
Sure, totally the same thing. Great point.
This time I'm not going to delete.
👏👏👏👏. Was scrolling waiting to see this. People tend to leave out the longterm effects.
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would not watch a sport which would give young men permanent physical damage in their later years and possibly shorten their lives.
Sure, totally the same thing. Great point.
Al is preoccupied with breadsticks and endless salad bowls.
^^^^ This!
More importantly, no one really knows anything about this virus' long term life-cycle. Who is to say it is not like Herpes? Which can hide out in your spinal fluid and then reemerge decades latter causing flare ups for the rest of your life?
Not likely, but would you volunteer for a lifetime of potential sickness in the prime of your youth, just for a few hundred thousand dollars? With very little guarantees?
wait for a vaccine.
wait for a vaccine.
Not agreeing with the OP as self infecting seems insane, but I wouldn’t get your hopes up in terms of a vaccine. RNA viruses aren’t complicated as they are constantly mutating. Hence the reason we still have the common cold after eons (which is also a form of coronavirus). Fauci even said the effectiveness rate would be no higher than 70%, which seems very inflated as the flu shot effectiveness numbers always are as well. It’s better than nothing, but it’s not going to be that effective. Especially being rushed out the door with insufficient testing.
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wait for a vaccine.
Not agreeing with the OP as self infecting seems insane, but I wouldn’t get your hopes up in terms of a vaccine. RNA viruses aren’t complicated as they are constantly mutating. Hence the reason we still have the common cold after eons (which is also a form of coronavirus). Fauci even said the effectiveness rate would be no higher than 70%, which seems very inflated as the flu shot effectiveness numbers always are as well. It’s better than nothing, but it’s not going to be that effective. Especially being rushed out the door with insufficient testing.
I don’t believe that this virus (or the common cold coronaviruses) are highly mutating. Flu is very unique in this specific fashion and not like coronaviruses at all.
We may see everybody with gloves and shields.
My personal belief is that the testing we are seeing is the result of the normal Corona Virus that has been around forever. People that have it are now more likely to get tested for COVID and get a positive but I believe many just have the normal low level risk virus that is like the common cold. I still dont wish that on anyone and wouldnt recommend exposing yourself to it. No one knows the lasting effect yet.
The very invasive strain is still around and there is no way to distinguish who has what. Its best to follow the rules for now until more info is avalable.
My personal belief is that the testing we are seeing is the result of the normal Corona Virus that has been around forever. People that have it are now more likely to get tested for COVID and get a positive but I believe many just have the normal low level risk virus that is like the common cold. I still dont wish that on anyone and wouldnt recommend exposing yourself to it. No one knows the lasting effect yet.
The very invasive strain is still around and there is no way to distinguish who has what. Its best to follow the rules for now until more info is avalable.
If they are doing a molecular test (nasal swab or saliva) then there is virtually no chance that they are mistaking the common coronaviruses for CoV-2. If they are doing an antibody test then, depending on which test is being used (specifically, if it's not a test done in a real laboratory), then there is some risk of a positive being due to common coronaviruses but it's fairly low and certainly not most people or most results.