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Crazy or not so crazy: NFL teams should self-infect

GiantTuff1 : 7/2/2020 12:07 pm
The virus has been shown to negatively affect (or kill) folks who are typically older, or with chronic or immunocompromised health conditions.

An NFL player, being the stallions that they are, most likely do not fall into this category. The high performance athletes we know of who have gotten the virus appear to be fine afterwards.

Now, what if the NFL decided to allow players to voluntarily infect themselves by exposing themselves to other players who have the virus so that teams can build the proper immunity? This would head off the very likely chance of Covid appearing during the worse times this season, and systematically picking off players to the point teams cannot even be fielded and the fear factor forces the season to be cancelled.

I can see Belichick already incorporating this approach, sly fox that he is, always one step ahead. So when teams’ players start dropping like flies during the season the Pats will have the strongest team, both immunologically and otherwise. Little tongue in cheek on BB here, but why can I see him doing this? It would remove unpredictability and give them an edge. Two things he always looks for. But for the league it would remove the unpredictability too if they can get this done in the next month, or prior to the start of the season.

Crazy or not so crazy? I have a hard time seeing the NFL season happening if a handful to 1/4 of every roster is infected at any given time. If there is no immunity, and the spread is organically feathered due to quarantining, you can place bets now that this is what’s going to happen and the NFL season will either not start or not finish. Could self-infliction be a solution to the problem?

Extreme, yes. Crazy? What say you?
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RE: Von Miller has stated in a recent article  
GiantTuff1 : 7/2/2020 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14928049 MBavaro said:
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(that I can't find) that his lungs are still not 100%.


This is the scary part. I wonder if the altitude up in Denver makes it even worse to recover from.
People who think you either die or are fine think this is a good idea.  
81_Great_Dane : 7/2/2020 6:04 pm : link
This virus is very damaging to many who survive. Recovery is often slow and its effects are long-lasting. There is growing evidence that immunity is short so the benefits of self-infection may be negligible and the risks severe.

There's a ton of information out there about this stuff. I'm often perplexed at how many people look at that information and kind of go "Yeah, but..." I know the virus is new, and we are still learning how it spreads and how it affects people. I know they initially said masks didn't help, and that asymptomatic people weren't contagious. I know those things were wrong. But I'm thinking that the information is getting better and more complete, there are more known knowns and known unknowns, and yet there's a lot of wishful/magical thinking going on. We want sports back, so we want this kind of thing to work. Even though everything we seem to know says that it's going to backfire.
I saw that Alabama COVID parties thing.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2020 7:51 pm : link
We live in the dumbest of times.
I can’t believe this is a real question  
Mike from Ohio : 7/2/2020 7:59 pm : link
This is sarcasm right? No intelligent person would suggest hundreds of people willingly infect themselves with a new and deadly virus so entertainment can resume, would they?

It is amazing how people can be isolated by this infection for months, yet never get around to readIng a single article about what it is and what it does.
Mike.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/2/2020 8:03 pm : link
It's not sarcasm & this isn't the first time I have heard this. Again, we live in the dumbest of times. 'Yeah. Let me get a virus that could knock me on my ass for awhile or pass along to my folks & potentially kill them all so we can have sports!'
"You think he's crazy?"  
GManinDC : 7/2/2020 8:09 pm : link
"Certifiable"..
Von Miller’s situation  
Dave on the UWS : 7/2/2020 8:43 pm : link
doesn’t surprise me. One of the things we are learning about CoVID, like SARS-1, it permanently damages the lungs my creating fibrous strands through it that decrease lung capacity and efficiency. I can’t think of a worse or more insidious consequence to a finally tuned athlete. Miller’s lungs are likely to never be the same.
I have seen a12 yr old and  
Tom in Kzoo : 7/2/2020 9:36 pm : link
Several 20-21 yr olds die. Many of those who end up on ventilators have diabetes or are obese - now think of a 330 lb lineman- think he is t at higher risk of serious illness ?
Statistically most will be fine but we still can’t clearly define risks of doing poorly .
RE: Yep, no evidence that anti-bodies  
outeiroj : 7/2/2020 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14927915 section125 said:
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prevent recurrence. People have gotten it twice. Even the flu comes back and can be caught again - that is why you get a flu shot every year and it may contain anti-bodies that were in the previous year's vaccine.

Does it lessen the effect - also unknown. What happens if a couple players get deathly ill? Young have died from it.

BB'56 would know better than most of us here at BBI. But I think this baby has even the best MDs and Scientists scratching their heads.


test is only 70% accurate. there is a considerably higher likelihood that the first positive test was a false positive than being able to get it a second time.

my wife works directly with respiratory illness and the sciences behind it. there is also no link to covid causing issues that weren't already there. So if a 55 year old had heart issues after, the issues where there just not as severe and in some cases asymptomatic
RE: RE: Yep, no evidence that anti-bodies  
Bill L : 7/2/2020 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14928198 outeiroj said:
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In comment 14927915 section125 said:


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prevent recurrence. People have gotten it twice. Even the flu comes back and can be caught again - that is why you get a flu shot every year and it may contain anti-bodies that were in the previous year's vaccine.

Does it lessen the effect - also unknown. What happens if a couple players get deathly ill? Young have died from it.

BB'56 would know better than most of us here at BBI. But I think this baby has even the best MDs and Scientists scratching their heads.



test is only 70% accurate. there is a considerably higher likelihood that the first positive test was a false positive than being able to get it a second time.

my wife works directly with respiratory illness and the sciences behind it. there is also no link to covid causing issues that weren't already there. So if a 55 year old had heart issues after, the issues where there just not as severe and in some cases asymptomatic

That’s not true. There’s plenty of shit antibody tests (and maybe a couple of molecular tests). Ut there’s also some very good ones. You can check the FDA website and actually see the performance characteristics. And the false positive rate and false negative rate for the approved tests are not even close to 30%.

And, with all due respect to your wife, there are plenty of secondary effects caused by CoV-2 which are new and. Or just exacerbating pre-existing conditions. A lot of the clotting issues are new to the patient, for example. Comorbidities for sure lead to more severity of disease but some of the stuff definitely wasn’t there before infection.
This is one of the dumbest ideas I have heard all time  
Aaron in Tampa : 7/2/2020 9:56 pm : link
Who comes up with this garbage? Lets intentionally give a population subset where everybody is overweight and on steroids a disease that causes hypercoagulability and see what happens. I am working in a telehealth clinic that assesses confirmed positive patients based on risk factors for severe COVID complications and having a BMI>45 is weighted 7(!) times as highly as other risk factors such as a history of high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease or even HIV in our algorithm. I have had some seriously morbid telephone encounters the last couple weeks and to hear ideas like this floated is so damn frustrating
RE: RE: RE: Yep, no evidence that anti-bodies  
outeiroj : 7/3/2020 12:03 am : link
In comment 14928202 Bill L said:
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In comment 14928198 outeiroj said:


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In comment 14927915 section125 said:


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prevent recurrence. People have gotten it twice. Even the flu comes back and can be caught again - that is why you get a flu shot every year and it may contain anti-bodies that were in the previous year's vaccine.

Does it lessen the effect - also unknown. What happens if a couple players get deathly ill? Young have died from it.

BB'56 would know better than most of us here at BBI. But I think this baby has even the best MDs and Scientists scratching their heads.



test is only 70% accurate. there is a considerably higher likelihood that the first positive test was a false positive than being able to get it a second time.

my wife works directly with respiratory illness and the sciences behind it. there is also no link to covid causing issues that weren't already there. So if a 55 year old had heart issues after, the issues where there just not as severe and in some cases asymptomatic


That’s not true. There’s plenty of shit antibody tests (and maybe a couple of molecular tests). Ut there’s also some very good ones. You can check the FDA website and actually see the performance characteristics. And the false positive rate and false negative rate for the approved tests are not even close to 30%.

And, with all due respect to your wife, there are plenty of secondary effects caused by CoV-2 which are new and. Or just exacerbating pre-existing conditions. A lot of the clotting issues are new to the patient, for example. Comorbidities for sure lead to more severity of disease but some of the stuff definitely wasn’t there before infection.


I'll let the researchers at yale who have dedicated their lives work to these things know their wrong and the guy in the internet knows better.

Also its extremely naive to think the FDA or any other government funded agency has been fully transparent
Without trying to draw this out into a big argument  
Bill L : 7/3/2020 1:44 am : link
Just answer me this...

Several babies who are infected with CoV-2 have been shown to have a condition called Kawasaki Disease, with basically inflamed blood vessels. It’s related to the clotting disorders seen in Covid adults. So, when did the infants first come down with heart disease for the virus infection to exacerbate?

Second point, is wrt the FDA, it would seem that them putting the data on test performance on a public website would be *more* transparent, rather than less. You don’t think?
Brilliant Idea!  
Stu11 : 7/3/2020 2:46 am : link
I mean infecting hundreds of 300+ lb men with a severe repiratory disorder that can cause permanent damage and we still know little about...What could go wrong?
How stupid can anyone be?  
Giant John : 7/3/2020 1:31 pm : link
Ok I am seeing a ton of stupid these day. GT. How about you be infected first? Step right up.
We certainly  
Big Al : 7/3/2020 2:01 pm : link
would not watch a sport which would give young men permanent physical damage in their later years and possibly shorten their lives.
RE: We certainly  
YAJ2112 : 7/3/2020 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14928414 Big Al said:
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would not watch a sport which would give young men permanent physical damage in their later years and possibly shorten their lives.


Sure, totally the same thing. Great point.
Sometimes....  
Skully88 : 7/3/2020 4:13 pm : link
I see a thread here and start a reply that this post is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. But then I think about it and figure no... there could be dumber ideas and I delete the reply.

This time I'm not going to delete.

OP You First!  
Rafflee : 7/3/2020 5:00 pm : link
OP You First!
RE: Please detail the long term impacts on the brain,  
charlito : 7/3/2020 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14928035 kicker said:
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heart, kidneys, and lungs...



👏👏👏👏. Was scrolling waiting to see this. People tend to leave out the longterm effects.
Holy Crap!!  
mpinmaine : 7/3/2020 7:31 pm : link
what a stupid idea
RE: RE: We certainly  
BMac : 7/3/2020 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14928434 YAJ2112 said:
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In comment 14928414 Big Al said:


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would not watch a sport which would give young men permanent physical damage in their later years and possibly shorten their lives.



Sure, totally the same thing. Great point.


Al is preoccupied with breadsticks and endless salad bowls.
RE: We certainly  
DonQuixote : 7/4/2020 9:51 am : link
In comment 14928414 Big Al said:
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would not watch a sport which would give young men permanent physical damage in their later years and possibly shorten their lives.


^^^^ This!
RE: Can’t believe I’m even responding to this, but I’ll play, then scoot.  
NYDCBlue : 7/4/2020 10:32 am : link
In comment 14927887 Big Blue '56 said:
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No one knows for sure if in fact having the antibodies gives immunity. No clear cit answer. Yet.


More importantly, no one really knows anything about this virus' long term life-cycle. Who is to say it is not like Herpes? Which can hide out in your spinal fluid and then reemerge decades latter causing flare ups for the rest of your life?

Not likely, but would you volunteer for a lifetime of potential sickness in the prime of your youth, just for a few hundred thousand dollars? With very little guarantees?
Dumb ...  
short lease : 7/5/2020 3:14 am : link

wait for a vaccine.
RE: Dumb ...  
eric2425ny : 7/5/2020 11:40 am : link
In comment 14928928 short lease said:
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wait for a vaccine.


Not agreeing with the OP as self infecting seems insane, but I wouldn’t get your hopes up in terms of a vaccine. RNA viruses aren’t complicated as they are constantly mutating. Hence the reason we still have the common cold after eons (which is also a form of coronavirus). Fauci even said the effectiveness rate would be no higher than 70%, which seems very inflated as the flu shot effectiveness numbers always are as well. It’s better than nothing, but it’s not going to be that effective. Especially being rushed out the door with insufficient testing.
RE: RE: Dumb ...  
Bill L : 7/5/2020 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14929024 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 14928928 short lease said:


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wait for a vaccine.



Not agreeing with the OP as self infecting seems insane, but I wouldn’t get your hopes up in terms of a vaccine. RNA viruses aren’t complicated as they are constantly mutating. Hence the reason we still have the common cold after eons (which is also a form of coronavirus). Fauci even said the effectiveness rate would be no higher than 70%, which seems very inflated as the flu shot effectiveness numbers always are as well. It’s better than nothing, but it’s not going to be that effective. Especially being rushed out the door with insufficient testing.

I don’t believe that this virus (or the common cold coronaviruses) are highly mutating. Flu is very unique in this specific fashion and not like coronaviruses at all.
Rollerball meets Beat the Reaper  
MOOPS : 7/5/2020 1:56 pm : link
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While I don't think the idea is crazy,  
upnyg : 7/6/2020 8:42 am : link
some teams probably have asked the same question...I wouldn't doubt somebody coming up with face shields or other face protection for contact.

We may see everybody with gloves and shields.
Its a bad idea  
Rudy5757 : 7/6/2020 8:51 am : link
Corona Virus has a few different strains and has been around a long time. Just like the flu, you can still get another strain of the flu if you have had the flu shot. I would not under any circumstances expose anyone to the very invasive strain we have seen. There is a good chance that a similar % of NFL players will die and have long last effects if they get exposed to that strain. the NFL, NFLPA and just the players themselves would not want that.

My personal belief is that the testing we are seeing is the result of the normal Corona Virus that has been around forever. People that have it are now more likely to get tested for COVID and get a positive but I believe many just have the normal low level risk virus that is like the common cold. I still dont wish that on anyone and wouldnt recommend exposing yourself to it. No one knows the lasting effect yet.

The very invasive strain is still around and there is no way to distinguish who has what. Its best to follow the rules for now until more info is avalable.
RE: Its a bad idea  
Bill L : 7/6/2020 10:22 am : link
In comment 14929177 Rudy5757 said:
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Corona Virus has a few different strains and has been around a long time. Just like the flu, you can still get another strain of the flu if you have had the flu shot. I would not under any circumstances expose anyone to the very invasive strain we have seen. There is a good chance that a similar % of NFL players will die and have long last effects if they get exposed to that strain. the NFL, NFLPA and just the players themselves would not want that.

My personal belief is that the testing we are seeing is the result of the normal Corona Virus that has been around forever. People that have it are now more likely to get tested for COVID and get a positive but I believe many just have the normal low level risk virus that is like the common cold. I still dont wish that on anyone and wouldnt recommend exposing yourself to it. No one knows the lasting effect yet.

The very invasive strain is still around and there is no way to distinguish who has what. Its best to follow the rules for now until more info is avalable.


If they are doing a molecular test (nasal swab or saliva) then there is virtually no chance that they are mistaking the common coronaviruses for CoV-2. If they are doing an antibody test then, depending on which test is being used (specifically, if it's not a test done in a real laboratory), then there is some risk of a positive being due to common coronaviruses but it's fairly low and certainly not most people or most results.
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