caveman has been saying for many years that the National Anthem does not need to be played before sports events. Also this cranky old man who hates political correctness does not understand how the Redskins name still exists. I don’t consider it a pc issue. It is a common sense issue.
The average Redskins fan isn't someone who sits in a luxury box and who went to college.
He or she is a poor person living in SE Washington or rural Virginia. This is the core of the fan base, who live and die Redskins football. And they spend their hard-earned money on Redskins gear.
You basically seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't make as much money as you or didn't go to college like you doesn't matter as much.
--Why is it so difficult for some on BBI to avoid violating the terms of service? Your stupidity has ruined it for the rest of us. And speaking of your stupidity, why should anyone believe you have an intelligent thought in your head if you can't even follow a simple set of rules?
--I think calling them Indians is even more offensive. And calling them American Indians is just plain stupid. They are Native Americans whose ancestry can be traced to several nations (Sioux, Navajo, Algonquin, etc). They have absolutely nothing to do with India or Indians. If the Washington Redskins should change their name, so should the Cleveland Indians.
--I don't have a strong opinion on whether or not changing the name is the "right" thing to do, but at this point, it's the wise thing to do.
--The new name should be the Washington Native Americans.
How about just Americans?
I totally disagree with you on the Indians. Redskins was always a derogatory term, The Cleveland caricature is asinine. I cannot and do not see why the name "Indians" is a problem.
And in actuality, there are no native Americans. The first settlers came across from Asia during the ice age when the Bering Sea was frozen and foot travel was possible.
The media goes out of it’s way to divide people. Now the NFL has and the next CBA demand might be for “a living wage” for players who apparently don’t know where the revenue comes from.
It’s getting serious. Names of deceased on the helmets or jerseys? C’mon man!
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Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Stop watching now. Playing another song before games offends you that much? It's crazy what a snowflake you are.
And no, you know god damn well who goes out of his way to divide the country, and it isn't people trying to change the Redskins name.
The average Redskins fan isn't someone who sits in a luxury box and who went to college.
He or she is a poor person living in SE Washington or rural Virginia. This is the core of the fan base, who live and die Redskins football. And they spend their hard-earned money on Redskins gear.
You basically seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't make as much money as you or didn't go to college like you doesn't matter as much.
I’m not talking about the average fan. I’m talking about the fans who will walk away from the franchise because of a name change. The marketers should be (an I assure you that they are) aware of the socio economic standing and spending patterns of said demo.
The average Redskins fan isn't someone who sits in a luxury box and who went to college.
He or she is a poor person living in SE Washington or rural Virginia. This is the core of the fan base, who live and die Redskins football. And they spend their hard-earned money on Redskins gear.
You basically seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't make as much money as you or didn't go to college like you doesn't matter as much.
Eric....be real here....the skins are a dead fucking franchise....they are worth what they are worth based on location only....there's only one way but up....and this would play well with the woke young DC crowd that will actually buy tickets
And yes corporations only care about how much money
To make a point, if we were to honor the owner, how about the Washington Kikes?
Before anyone goes apoplectic, I am a proud Jew who has spent most of my professional life working in the the Jewish community and my being Jewish is a key component of my identity (even more than being a Giants fan 😉).
Of course this would be offensive and 'beyond the pale'
To make a point, if we were to honor the owner, how about the Washington Kikes?
Before anyone goes apoplectic, I am a proud Jew who has spent most of my professional life working in the the Jewish community and my being Jewish is a key component of my identity (even more than being a Giants fan 😉).
Of course this would be offensive and 'beyond the pale'
To make a point, if we were to honor the owner, how about the Washington Kikes?
Before anyone goes apoplectic, I am a proud Jew who has spent most of my professional life working in the the Jewish community and my being Jewish is a key component of my identity (even more than being a Giants fan 😉).
Of course this would be offensive and 'beyond the pale'
So is the current name.
What about the Washington Jewish Mothers?
To the larger point (and I assume that is an attempt at humour, which made me crack a smile) since sometimes the term is used as a pejorative (like 'helicopter mother' for another group), I don't think it would be a good idea.
RE: Ohh no not an anthem! boycott those too...try to be more inclusive?
I personally think a lot of this stuff is over the top. Serious situations where police or someone in authority abuses power or discriminates whether on basis of sex or race I get it. That's why we have laws for those as they are crimes. Of course not always properly or fairly applied and that's what has to improve.
The ideas and ideals of the Constitution, Star Spangled banner and Pledge of Allegiance are correct. It's people that are flawed and always will be. Perfection is unattainable when dealing with 350 million human beings. The USA does most things better than most nations.
Playing a separate anthem though? That seems an over sensitive over reaction which actually separates us not joins us. There isn't a racist thought or idea expressed in the song. It applies to all Americans. So why wouldn't everyone want to be included in it? All of us.
If the constitution were simply “correct” it wouldn’t have had to be amended as many times as it has.
Unless the amendment process is part of the correctness you mean.
The average Redskins fan isn't someone who sits in a luxury box and who went to college.
He or she is a poor person living in SE Washington or rural Virginia. This is the core of the fan base, who live and die Redskins football. And they spend their hard-earned money on Redskins gear.
You basically seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't make as much money as you or didn't go to college like you doesn't matter as much.
I think you are touching on why the Redskins are now going to be changing their name - new money. These people aren’t leaving, you know it and I know it. And if a small amount of them do it will be made up by new fans who will dip their toe into a hopefully more progressive team. It will also help with sponsors who won’t want to be associated with racism.
i make a good living and refuse to spend mine on Giants tickets and memorabilia but if I did it would understand that change happens, I’m not buying ownership in anything I’m simply a fan buying a ticket to a game and some merchandise, all for entertainment purposes.
'Unless the amendment process is part of the correctness you mean.'
The current complete document with Amendments. By far the fairest and staunchest defense of equality and individuals liberties in the world. Of course applying them properly is again where human error comes into play.
The cost benefit analysis of losing some fans whose sensibilities are offended by ditching an uncomfortable team name vs. gaining new fans, selling a new suite of merchandise, and not running up against league sponsors who account directly and indirectly for the the lion’s share of revenue is pretty simple.
The contingent of fans who will be upset enough to stop being fans of the franchise over this is doesn’t sniff the blowback they’ll get if they don’t do something now.
For starting a thread on a topic the entire league and the entire nation are discussing.
Mods should put up a pinned and locked post saying the NFL anthem is off limits. Doesn’t matter if everyone from Roger to Saquon is commenting on it or the fact that it will continue to be a topic of conversation.
He thinks changing the name is stupid, sort of a bridge too far/slippery slope deal. Im on the other side of the aisle, but admittedly without much passion for the whole deal.
But we came upon an interesting question I think serves as a pretty good litmus test, and it gave him pause: would you in general conversation, say at a bar, address a native american as "Hey redskin". Probably not.
Distancing ourselves a bit from this particular issue ...
when you start layering these things..
political correctness
cost to attend games
the kneeling thing
the officiating
horrible rule changes
You lose fans and likely may not get some of them back. Nothing that has occurred over the past few years has brought new fans to the sport.
If not for fantasy football, the NFL would be in serious trouble right now.
It does not matter whether you agree with their reasons, but we have seen far too many people say they are done with the NFL. 10 years ago, we were not hearing that.
The other concern I have is many of the young kids today just are not into the NFL. When I was a kid, virtually everyone followed a team. Now, kids are into other things. Yet another reason to be concerned for the future of the league.
RE: Distancing ourselves a bit from this particular issue ...
when you start layering these things..
political correctness
cost to attend games
the kneeling thing
the officiating
horrible rule changes
You lose fans and likely may not get some of them back. Nothing that has occurred over the past few years has brought new fans to the sport.
If not for fantasy football, the NFL would be in serious trouble right now.
It does not matter whether you agree with their reasons, but we have seen far too many people say they are done with the NFL. 10 years ago, we were not hearing that.
The other concern I have is many of the young kids today just are not into the NFL. When I was a kid, virtually everyone followed a team. Now, kids are into other things. Yet another reason to be concerned for the future of the league.
Add to list more awareness of future health issues to players especially the brain.
The media goes out of it’s way to divide people. Now the NFL has and the next CBA demand might be for “a living wage” for players who apparently don’t know where the revenue comes from.
It’s getting serious. Names of deceased on the helmets or jerseys? C’mon man!
=2&thread=599100&show_all=1#14928730]14928730[/url] Sonic Youth said:
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Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Stop watching now. Playing another song before games offends you that much? It's crazy what a snowflake you are.
And no, you know god damn well who goes out of his way to divide the country, and it isn't people trying to change the Redskins name.
hur durrr the media durrrr. You're a fucking idiot.
RE: Distancing ourselves a bit from this particular issue ...
when you start layering these things..
political correctness
cost to attend games
the kneeling thing
the officiating
horrible rule changes
You lose fans and likely may not get some of them back. Nothing that has occurred over the past few years has brought new fans to the sport.
If not for fantasy football, the NFL would be in serious trouble right now.
It does not matter whether you agree with their reasons, but we have seen far too many people say they are done with the NFL. 10 years ago, we were not hearing that.
The other concern I have is many of the young kids today just are not into the NFL. When I was a kid, virtually everyone followed a team. Now, kids are into other things. Yet another reason to be concerned for the future of the league.
I’m pretty sure nfl revenue and profitability has continued to rise at the same time as all the things you listed.
Someone is spending more money. The NFL is in no financial danger what so ever.
RE: Was just having a good txt conversation with my brother.
He thinks changing the name is stupid, sort of a bridge too far/slippery slope deal. Im on the other side of the aisle, but admittedly without much passion for the whole deal.
But we came upon an interesting question I think serves as a pretty good litmus test, and it gave him pause: would you in general conversation, say at a bar, address a native american as "Hey redskin". Probably not.
Uh, no. Unless I am, to quote the great Vincent Gambini, in need of good ass kickin'.
Right. Im inclined to think anyone who says yes is either full of shit or openly prejudiced and spoiling for a fight. Which really tells us all we need to know about this.
At the end of the day its just the name of a sports team. How much difference does it make in your life? Which, btw, is pretty much the definition of privilege, admittedly a term I used to really chafe at. For most of us this has little to no impact on our lives, and we get to choose our level of involvement or interest. And that is most definitely a privilege. For others its an immersive reality, just one aspect of a society that has been indifferent and unintentionally ignorant at best and violently oppressive at its worst. If this small token, when combined with other efforts, can help this be a better society for everyone who lives in it...Im not a knee jerk bleeding heart progressive but for fucks sake, let it go.
RE: RE: Distancing ourselves a bit from this particular issue ...
The NFL is in great financial shape, continues to draw huge ratings, and is on the verge of truly entering the streaming era in which they will make even more money.
The lesson is the vast, vast majority of NFL fans can separate their fandom form their politics and are perfectly fine with the safety changes made to the game.
If some how the NFL pulls off a season this year, they are going to have a financial and ratings bonanza.
Is this a customer they should be concerned about losing?
They are probably old(er), the are probably not highly educated, they are probably not that wealthy.
Be careful of your bigotry here.
Not bigotry, just looking at it from a marketing perspective.
Do you think this segment of the market base spends a lot of money on the product. This is not a moral observation, purely a financial one.
There is nothing wrong with being old, having less than an average education and/or not being wealthy. I don’t see those characteristics as insults.
Maybe I should have scrolled more before responding, but than, I'da lost interest.
The demographic is the viewing audience...period.
TV billions are paying ALL of the salaries.
Also, the demo that will revolt are the same people buying Flags and Hats and waving the frantically at the beaches and sporting events alike, for their favorite team, NASCAR driver and POTUS of their choice.
These are the people that will spend their last damned dollar on these things.
He thinks changing the name is stupid, sort of a bridge too far/slippery slope deal. Im on the other side of the aisle, but admittedly without much passion for the whole deal.
But we came upon an interesting question I think serves as a pretty good litmus test, and it gave him pause: would you in general conversation, say at a bar, address a native american as "Hey redskin". Probably not.
I get your point, but I doubt most of us would say “Hey, Mexican” or “Hey, Asian” either.
RE: RE: Was just having a good txt conversation with my brother.
He thinks changing the name is stupid, sort of a bridge too far/slippery slope deal. Im on the other side of the aisle, but admittedly without much passion for the whole deal.
But we came upon an interesting question I think serves as a pretty good litmus test, and it gave him pause: would you in general conversation, say at a bar, address a native american as "Hey redskin". Probably not.
I get your point, but I doubt most of us would say “Hey, Mexican” or “Hey, Asian” either.
No, but you might reference an “Asian fella” or a “Mexican dude” but in all likelihood wouldn’t say “Redskin guy”.
RE: Was just having a good txt conversation with my brother.
He thinks changing the name is stupid, sort of a bridge too far/slippery slope deal. Im on the other side of the aisle, but admittedly without much passion for the whole deal.
But we came upon an interesting question I think serves as a pretty good litmus test, and it gave him pause: would you in general conversation, say at a bar, address a native american as "Hey redskin". Probably not.
We leave a great many good ideas "on the table" out of fear of the elusive slippery slope.
He or she is a poor person living in SE Washington or rural Virginia. This is the core of the fan base, who live and die Redskins football. And they spend their hard-earned money on Redskins gear.
You basically seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't make as much money as you or didn't go to college like you doesn't matter as much.
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--Why is it so difficult for some on BBI to avoid violating the terms of service? Your stupidity has ruined it for the rest of us. And speaking of your stupidity, why should anyone believe you have an intelligent thought in your head if you can't even follow a simple set of rules?
--I think calling them Indians is even more offensive. And calling them American Indians is just plain stupid. They are Native Americans whose ancestry can be traced to several nations (Sioux, Navajo, Algonquin, etc). They have absolutely nothing to do with India or Indians. If the Washington Redskins should change their name, so should the Cleveland Indians.
--I don't have a strong opinion on whether or not changing the name is the "right" thing to do, but at this point, it's the wise thing to do.
--The new name should be the Washington Native Americans.
How about just Americans?
I totally disagree with you on the Indians. Redskins was always a derogatory term, The Cleveland caricature is asinine. I cannot and do not see why the name "Indians" is a problem.
And in actuality, there are no native Americans. The first settlers came across from Asia during the ice age when the Bering Sea was frozen and foot travel was possible.
It’s getting serious. Names of deceased on the helmets or jerseys? C’mon man!
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Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Stop watching now. Playing another song before games offends you that much? It's crazy what a snowflake you are.
And no, you know god damn well who goes out of his way to divide the country, and it isn't people trying to change the Redskins name.
He or she is a poor person living in SE Washington or rural Virginia. This is the core of the fan base, who live and die Redskins football. And they spend their hard-earned money on Redskins gear.
You basically seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't make as much money as you or didn't go to college like you doesn't matter as much.
I’m not talking about the average fan. I’m talking about the fans who will walk away from the franchise because of a name change. The marketers should be (an I assure you that they are) aware of the socio economic standing and spending patterns of said demo.
He or she is a poor person living in SE Washington or rural Virginia. This is the core of the fan base, who live and die Redskins football. And they spend their hard-earned money on Redskins gear.
You basically seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't make as much money as you or didn't go to college like you doesn't matter as much.
Eric....be real here....the skins are a dead fucking franchise....they are worth what they are worth based on location only....there's only one way but up....and this would play well with the woke young DC crowd that will actually buy tickets
To make a point, if we were to honor the owner, how about the Washington Kikes?
Before anyone goes apoplectic, I am a proud Jew who has spent most of my professional life working in the the Jewish community and my being Jewish is a key component of my identity (even more than being a Giants fan 😉).
Of course this would be offensive and 'beyond the pale'
So is the current name.
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How about the Washington Thinskins
To make a point, if we were to honor the owner, how about the Washington Kikes?
Before anyone goes apoplectic, I am a proud Jew who has spent most of my professional life working in the the Jewish community and my being Jewish is a key component of my identity (even more than being a Giants fan 😉).
Of course this would be offensive and 'beyond the pale'
So is the current name.
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How about the Washington Thinskins
To make a point, if we were to honor the owner, how about the Washington Kikes?
Before anyone goes apoplectic, I am a proud Jew who has spent most of my professional life working in the the Jewish community and my being Jewish is a key component of my identity (even more than being a Giants fan 😉).
Of course this would be offensive and 'beyond the pale'
So is the current name.
What about the Washington Jewish Mothers?
To the larger point (and I assume that is an attempt at humour, which made me crack a smile) since sometimes the term is used as a pejorative (like 'helicopter mother' for another group), I don't think it would be a good idea.
The ideas and ideals of the Constitution, Star Spangled banner and Pledge of Allegiance are correct. It's people that are flawed and always will be. Perfection is unattainable when dealing with 350 million human beings. The USA does most things better than most nations.
Playing a separate anthem though? That seems an over sensitive over reaction which actually separates us not joins us. There isn't a racist thought or idea expressed in the song. It applies to all Americans. So why wouldn't everyone want to be included in it? All of us.
If the constitution were simply “correct” it wouldn’t have had to be amended as many times as it has.
Unless the amendment process is part of the correctness you mean.
He or she is a poor person living in SE Washington or rural Virginia. This is the core of the fan base, who live and die Redskins football. And they spend their hard-earned money on Redskins gear.
You basically seem to be arguing that if someone doesn't make as much money as you or didn't go to college like you doesn't matter as much.
I think you are touching on why the Redskins are now going to be changing their name - new money. These people aren’t leaving, you know it and I know it. And if a small amount of them do it will be made up by new fans who will dip their toe into a hopefully more progressive team. It will also help with sponsors who won’t want to be associated with racism.
Damn us pesky imperfect people.
The contingent of fans who will be upset enough to stop being fans of the franchise over this is doesn’t sniff the blowback they’ll get if they don’t do something now.
Mods should put up a pinned and locked post saying the NFL anthem is off limits. Doesn’t matter if everyone from Roger to Saquon is commenting on it or the fact that it will continue to be a topic of conversation.
He has always been a good guy. What did he say?
He has always been a good guy. What did he say?
He started a thread in the dual anthem controversy and the kneeling protest.
These are the same people that respond to sexual crimes with "not all men", "what was she wearing?"
Address the fucking issue at hand. I'm so fucking sick of entitled white guy deflection.
But we came upon an interesting question I think serves as a pretty good litmus test, and it gave him pause: would you in general conversation, say at a bar, address a native american as "Hey redskin". Probably not.
political correctness
cost to attend games
the kneeling thing
the officiating
horrible rule changes
You lose fans and likely may not get some of them back. Nothing that has occurred over the past few years has brought new fans to the sport.
If not for fantasy football, the NFL would be in serious trouble right now.
It does not matter whether you agree with their reasons, but we have seen far too many people say they are done with the NFL. 10 years ago, we were not hearing that.
The other concern I have is many of the young kids today just are not into the NFL. When I was a kid, virtually everyone followed a team. Now, kids are into other things. Yet another reason to be concerned for the future of the league.
political correctness
cost to attend games
the kneeling thing
the officiating
horrible rule changes
You lose fans and likely may not get some of them back. Nothing that has occurred over the past few years has brought new fans to the sport.
If not for fantasy football, the NFL would be in serious trouble right now.
It does not matter whether you agree with their reasons, but we have seen far too many people say they are done with the NFL. 10 years ago, we were not hearing that.
The other concern I have is many of the young kids today just are not into the NFL. When I was a kid, virtually everyone followed a team. Now, kids are into other things. Yet another reason to be concerned for the future of the league.
It’s getting serious. Names of deceased on the helmets or jerseys? C’mon man!
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Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Stop watching now. Playing another song before games offends you that much? It's crazy what a snowflake you are.
And no, you know god damn well who goes out of his way to divide the country, and it isn't people trying to change the Redskins name.
political correctness
cost to attend games
the kneeling thing
the officiating
horrible rule changes
You lose fans and likely may not get some of them back. Nothing that has occurred over the past few years has brought new fans to the sport.
If not for fantasy football, the NFL would be in serious trouble right now.
It does not matter whether you agree with their reasons, but we have seen far too many people say they are done with the NFL. 10 years ago, we were not hearing that.
The other concern I have is many of the young kids today just are not into the NFL. When I was a kid, virtually everyone followed a team. Now, kids are into other things. Yet another reason to be concerned for the future of the league.
I’m pretty sure nfl revenue and profitability has continued to rise at the same time as all the things you listed.
Someone is spending more money. The NFL is in no financial danger what so ever.
But we came upon an interesting question I think serves as a pretty good litmus test, and it gave him pause: would you in general conversation, say at a bar, address a native american as "Hey redskin". Probably not.
Not only probably not but definitively not.
Right. Im inclined to think anyone who says yes is either full of shit or openly prejudiced and spoiling for a fight. Which really tells us all we need to know about this.
At the end of the day its just the name of a sports team. How much difference does it make in your life? Which, btw, is pretty much the definition of privilege, admittedly a term I used to really chafe at. For most of us this has little to no impact on our lives, and we get to choose our level of involvement or interest. And that is most definitely a privilege. For others its an immersive reality, just one aspect of a society that has been indifferent and unintentionally ignorant at best and violently oppressive at its worst. If this small token, when combined with other efforts, can help this be a better society for everyone who lives in it...Im not a knee jerk bleeding heart progressive but for fucks sake, let it go.
Add to list more awareness of future health issues to players especially the brain.
That too which is resulting in rules changes that hurt the game. It is going to be flag football in 10 years.
The lesson is the vast, vast majority of NFL fans can separate their fandom form their politics and are perfectly fine with the safety changes made to the game.
If some how the NFL pulls off a season this year, they are going to have a financial and ratings bonanza.
Target, Walmart Pull Washington Redskins Merchandise From Online Stores as Team Reviews Name - ( New Window )
These are the same people that respond to sexual crimes with "not all men", "what was she wearing?"
Address the fucking issue at hand. I'm so fucking sick of entitled white guy deflection.
Entitled white guy deflection isn’t going to win you any brownie points in this riveting debate.
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Is this a customer they should be concerned about losing?
They are probably old(er), the are probably not highly educated, they are probably not that wealthy.
Be careful of your bigotry here.
Not bigotry, just looking at it from a marketing perspective.
Do you think this segment of the market base spends a lot of money on the product. This is not a moral observation, purely a financial one.
There is nothing wrong with being old, having less than an average education and/or not being wealthy. I don’t see those characteristics as insults.
Maybe I should have scrolled more before responding, but than, I'da lost interest.
The demographic is the viewing audience...period.
TV billions are paying ALL of the salaries.
Also, the demo that will revolt are the same people buying Flags and Hats and waving the frantically at the beaches and sporting events alike, for their favorite team, NASCAR driver and POTUS of their choice.
These are the people that will spend their last damned dollar on these things.
Don't underestimate BUBAH!
Target, Walmart Pull Washington Redskins Merchandise From Online Stores as Team Reviews Name - ( New Window )
Until it can no longer be purchased online...
...Target and Walmart are just losing sales.
Until it can no longer be purchased online...
...Target and Walmart are just losing sales.
Ian Faith:
The Boston gig has been cancelled...
David St. Hubbins:
What?
Ian Faith:
Yeah. I wouldn't worry about it though, it's not a big college town.
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Until it can no longer be purchased online...
...Target and Walmart are just losing sales.
Ian Faith:
The Boston gig has been cancelled...
David St. Hubbins:
What?
Ian Faith:
Yeah. I wouldn't worry about it though, it's not a big college town.
But, they will eventually locate Amazon.
2020 has pretty much sucked but this makes it a tiny big better
Redskins’ minority owners look to sell stakes in team amid ongoing turmoil - ( New Window )
Love it!
But, they will eventually locate Amazon.
Gear gone from Amazon.
nydn - ( New Window )
but redskin name is done ..
But we came upon an interesting question I think serves as a pretty good litmus test, and it gave him pause: would you in general conversation, say at a bar, address a native american as "Hey redskin". Probably not.
I get your point, but I doubt most of us would say “Hey, Mexican” or “Hey, Asian” either.
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He thinks changing the name is stupid, sort of a bridge too far/slippery slope deal. Im on the other side of the aisle, but admittedly without much passion for the whole deal.
But we came upon an interesting question I think serves as a pretty good litmus test, and it gave him pause: would you in general conversation, say at a bar, address a native american as "Hey redskin". Probably not.
I get your point, but I doubt most of us would say “Hey, Mexican” or “Hey, Asian” either.
No, but you might reference an “Asian fella” or a “Mexican dude” but in all likelihood wouldn’t say “Redskin guy”.
But we came upon an interesting question I think serves as a pretty good litmus test, and it gave him pause: would you in general conversation, say at a bar, address a native american as "Hey redskin". Probably not.