I'm no expert, but ya gotta think from a business perspective you can't lose. Fans aren't going to abandon the franchise. If they still want to identify their team as the Redskins, have at it. You rebrand the whole fuckin thing. If you want to get real crazy you can even change the color scheme. Or dont. Point is, if you want to wear a skins jersey that old Gus ferrotte isnt it any longer. Who's not going to buy a new hat, sweatshirt, etc. No one's shitting on you anymore. Just don't fuck up the rebranding I guess, which isn't necessarily a given. But they'll go with some cliche bullshit like DC franchises always do. Except the wizards. That's a cool name. Everything doesn't always have to be so on the fuckin nose.
Actually Dan Snyder will have to get approval and permission from a small but intense riotous mob in his selection of a new team name.
Otherwise the protests and rioting will start anew against the rebranded name.
FedEx, the business with the naming rights to the stadium, Pepsi, the official soft drink of the NFL, and Nike, the official jersey manufacturer all want them to do it. Seems almost impossible for them to ignore these requests given the amount of $ involved and importance of all 3 sponsors.
Actually Dan Snyder will have to get approval and permission from a small but intense riotous mob in his selection of a new team name.
Otherwise the protests and rioting will start anew against the rebranded name.
Sure, or he can simply name his business something that doesn't isolate a group of people that were brutalized.
I'm pretty indifferent on this (demanding name changes), but the reactions to it are strange. This isn't something that's been requested for the first time in 2020 - its been going on for years and he's been avoiding it for years.
against this nonsense but if they must wouldn't Hogskins be a good fit? Can still say the Skins it's already built into the team history with the Hogs. Fans dress up like it etc etc
I still like the picture of the Indian on the helmet
It still preserves the homage to the tribal people.
As racist as the term Redskins may or may not be to some, it was certainly never intended to be racist. It just may have been ignorantly created. So don't wipe the entire tradition and nod to that culture away.
against this nonsense but if they must wouldn't Hogskins be a good fit? Can still say the Skins it's already built into the team history with the Hogs. Fans dress up like it etc etc
No way ... the Harry Potter brigade would say it’s too close to Hogwarts, the lawyers for Mr Wolf would say it’s derogatory to the memory of the one who couldn’t blow down the brick house and ... not to mention hog is close to pork which is offensive to some religious sects. You see, once you start listening to some nonsense, you have to listen to it all.
The ex-owner of the Washington team, the person who came up with the name, was a notorious racist, resisting for years the integration of black players in the league. I believe that owner is being removed from the ring of honor.
It is a tarnished legacy and it won’t hurt a bit to change the name and move on...besides, the guys can still be hogs...
It still preserves the homage to the tribal people.
As racist as the term Redskins may or may not be to some, it was certainly never intended to be racist. It just may have been ignorantly created. So don't wipe the entire tradition and nod to that culture away.
George Preston Marshall was a notorious racist and renamed the Braves to the Redskins to capitalize upon playing in Fenway with the Red Sox and exploit the fad in that period of time, lead by Jim Thorpe and things like the Carlisle Indian Football group. He went as far as hiring a person impersonating a Native (William Henry "Lone Star" Dietz) and doing the equivalent of a "redskin minstrel show" during games - complete with having his HC wear the ceremonial head garb and war paint.
This is the same person that required Dixie played before the National Anthem at games, refused to integrate until he was forced to (by having his new stadium location get blocked) and left a significant sum of his fortunes to be setup specifically to fight racial integration.
Argue to what degree the term "Redskin" is filled with the same vitriol and hatred that other racial epitaphs are, but never confuse that the organization playing in DC was at the forefront of racist policy and practices for nearly 4 decades and used the branding to cash in and exploit a fad. You're calling back to something that simply isn't there.
There was no culture in that organization from 1933 to the mid-60s and anything Snyder can do to distance himself that much further from a shit stain on history like GPM is a good thing.
RE: Washington Warriors...leave all logos, colors, uniforms the same.
I'll bet that's Snyder's initial thoughts on a re-brand.
If I had to guess, this is the way it goes. The Redskins logo itself isn’t offensive like the Cleveland Indians logo was, although some will still have a problem with it.
It still preserves the homage to the tribal people.
As racist as the term Redskins may or may not be to some, it was certainly never intended to be racist. It just may have been ignorantly created. So don't wipe the entire tradition and nod to that culture away.
If he changes it, it would be foolish beyond belief to come anywhere close to a subset of people’s. He should walk as far away as he can. Name it the FedExers
offensive nickname is the biggest fucking no-brainer in the American business/political landscape. It boggles the mind how it could still be in place- how it wasn't changed 20 years ago.
The only explanation for Daniel Snyder keeping that name in place must be that he's some combination of a massive troll/ sociopath prone to self-harm/ bumbling idiot of historical proportions.
that, as everyone knows, Washington was the last team to employ black players. It was so bad that in 1961, RFK threatened to revoke the team's lease in their stadium unless they got with the times. With their arms twisted, Washington used the top pick in the draft to take Ernie Davis... but Davis refused to play for DC because it was such a racist, threatening shithole and forced a trade to CLE.
Another great tale from the annals of the "8 decades of bravery, pride and respect."
in your logo- real or imagined- if it represents some idealized or stylized minority culture. That's offensive objectification.
IMO, a tomahawk is not as bad. But if you will use a specific artifact to symbolize the spirit of your squad, you must tread carefully and make an effort to represent authenticity.
Well done. As for others' suggestion of Warriors: despite its superficial appeal, in this context it could easily be viewed as derogatory for linking indigenous people with war. Not a good idea.
1) I always thought "Hogs" would be a good name for them to change to. If you are going to change your name why not pay tribute to something in your teams history. Also Washington Hogs if a good name to represent some people who work in that city. D.C Hogs
2) I never realized til just now the braid in the logo looks like laces on a football. Is that by design? This is like the first time you see the arrow in Fedex
And just change the logo. Same type of scheme but without the racial part of it
Until he’s accused of appropriation. He should get rid of the current name but I think he’s an idiot if he tries to keep the same theme.
People don't accuse the Braves, Seminoles, or Blackhawks of appropriation. Not sure why you think people would complain about Tomahawks.
They can basically choose any name that isn't/wasn't a slur. Name it after a tribe. Name it after a Native American object.
I personally never gave a shit about the name, but the people whining about it in this thread as if it's some majorly impactful "sign of the times" are being such crybabies. I mean like, St Johns did this a long time ago.
The only Native American Sports-ish thing I think is way over the line is the Cleveland Indian's Chief Wahoo or whatever they call him. That shit is dumb as fuck and should have been canned years ago (maybe it was, I don't really follow baseball). If that was a caricature of a black man, it'd have been gone a long time ago.
in your logo- real or imagined- if it represents some idealized or stylized minority culture. That's offensive objectification.
IMO, a tomahawk is not as bad. But if you will use a specific artifact to symbolize the spirit of your squad, you must tread carefully and make an effort to represent authenticity.
I don't think the Blackhawks or Redskins logos are appropriation. The football team itself does not have a race or anything.
And even better all these hedge funds and investment managers can take credit for their social consciousness without having to hire one more minority, elevate anyone to the executive suite or invest another dollar In a minority community or ten cents in a reservation that doesn’t have a casino monopoly.
Of course Snyder will change the name. It costs him nothing, he will have a merch bonanza, he can still run his business exactly as he wishes and the very easily distracted will move on to another meaningless “offensive objectification”. Personally, I suggest Mario, Luigi and their offensive accents.
Otherwise the protests and rioting will start anew against the rebranded name.
Otherwise the protests and rioting will start anew against the rebranded name.
Sure, or he can simply name his business something that doesn't isolate a group of people that were brutalized.
I'm pretty indifferent on this (demanding name changes), but the reactions to it are strange. This isn't something that's been requested for the first time in 2020 - its been going on for years and he's been avoiding it for years.
Washington Strongbows or something.
It still preserves the homage to the tribal people.
As racist as the term Redskins may or may not be to some, it was certainly never intended to be racist. It just may have been ignorantly created. So don't wipe the entire tradition and nod to that culture away.
No way ... the Harry Potter brigade would say it’s too close to Hogwarts, the lawyers for Mr Wolf would say it’s derogatory to the memory of the one who couldn’t blow down the brick house and ... not to mention hog is close to pork which is offensive to some religious sects. You see, once you start listening to some nonsense, you have to listen to it all.
The ex-owner of the Washington team, the person who came up with the name, was a notorious racist, resisting for years the integration of black players in the league. I believe that owner is being removed from the ring of honor.
It is a tarnished legacy and it won’t hurt a bit to change the name and move on...besides, the guys can still be hogs...
Snyder may have had a backup plan in his pocket.
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but.. too many dollars to be made with a whole new look.
Washington Strongbows or something.
It still preserves the homage to the tribal people.
As racist as the term Redskins may or may not be to some, it was certainly never intended to be racist. It just may have been ignorantly created. So don't wipe the entire tradition and nod to that culture away.
George Preston Marshall was a notorious racist and renamed the Braves to the Redskins to capitalize upon playing in Fenway with the Red Sox and exploit the fad in that period of time, lead by Jim Thorpe and things like the Carlisle Indian Football group. He went as far as hiring a person impersonating a Native (William Henry "Lone Star" Dietz) and doing the equivalent of a "redskin minstrel show" during games - complete with having his HC wear the ceremonial head garb and war paint.
This is the same person that required Dixie played before the National Anthem at games, refused to integrate until he was forced to (by having his new stadium location get blocked) and left a significant sum of his fortunes to be setup specifically to fight racial integration.
Argue to what degree the term "Redskin" is filled with the same vitriol and hatred that other racial epitaphs are, but never confuse that the organization playing in DC was at the forefront of racist policy and practices for nearly 4 decades and used the branding to cash in and exploit a fad. You're calling back to something that simply isn't there.
There was no culture in that organization from 1933 to the mid-60s and anything Snyder can do to distance himself that much further from a shit stain on history like GPM is a good thing.
If I had to guess, this is the way it goes. The Redskins logo itself isn’t offensive like the Cleveland Indians logo was, although some will still have a problem with it.
About time this name change happened.
Washington Strongbows or something.
It still preserves the homage to the tribal people.
As racist as the term Redskins may or may not be to some, it was certainly never intended to be racist. It just may have been ignorantly created. So don't wipe the entire tradition and nod to that culture away.
If he changes it, it would be foolish beyond belief to come anywhere close to a subset of people’s. He should walk as far away as he can. Name it the FedExers
Until he’s accused of appropriation. He should get rid of the current name but I think he’s an idiot if he tries to keep the same theme.
If they nickname still starts with an R, they can use that classic stylized R as the logo. I always thought that was a great looking logo.
The only explanation for Daniel Snyder keeping that name in place must be that he's some combination of a massive troll/ sociopath prone to self-harm/ bumbling idiot of historical proportions.
/mic drop
OTOH, Redtails seems like too clever a pivot to me. Just get rid of your offensive name, that's enough, no need to do homage to anyone.
Another great tale from the annals of the "8 decades of bravery, pride and respect."
IMO, a tomahawk is not as bad. But if you will use a specific artifact to symbolize the spirit of your squad, you must tread carefully and make an effort to represent authenticity.
2) I never realized til just now the braid in the logo looks like laces on a football. Is that by design? This is like the first time you see the arrow in Fedex
This is the name I have been thinking they should consider for years. I really don't see any racist connection in this.
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And just change the logo. Same type of scheme but without the racial part of it
Until he’s accused of appropriation. He should get rid of the current name but I think he’s an idiot if he tries to keep the same theme.
They can basically choose any name that isn't/wasn't a slur. Name it after a tribe. Name it after a Native American object.
I personally never gave a shit about the name, but the people whining about it in this thread as if it's some majorly impactful "sign of the times" are being such crybabies. I mean like, St Johns did this a long time ago.
The only Native American Sports-ish thing I think is way over the line is the Cleveland Indian's Chief Wahoo or whatever they call him. That shit is dumb as fuck and should have been canned years ago (maybe it was, I don't really follow baseball). If that was a caricature of a black man, it'd have been gone a long time ago.
IMO, a tomahawk is not as bad. But if you will use a specific artifact to symbolize the spirit of your squad, you must tread carefully and make an effort to represent authenticity.
Of course Snyder will change the name. It costs him nothing, he will have a merch bonanza, he can still run his business exactly as he wishes and the very easily distracted will move on to another meaningless “offensive objectification”. Personally, I suggest Mario, Luigi and their offensive accents.
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And just change the logo. Same type of scheme but without the racial part of it
This is the name I have been thinking they should consider for years. I really don't see any racist connection in this.
Yeah, I don't see how Tomahawks could be deemed as being racist