Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
- The free market will decide, which should be quite attractive to a subset of the population
- The polling around the American Indian community’s feelings on the term and iconography sways greatly from poll to poll. A more recent UC Berkeley poll, and arguably a better constructed poll than the Post poll often referenced, shows a majority of that community is not in favor of the team name.
- Seemingly a lot of Americans in general are uncomfortable with the name
- If Snyder’s intention is to honor and promote American Indians, there are probably better ways to do it
I don’t think teams names ought to promote anything other than the team (and, perhaps, the location). But, it’s very valuable real estate. A market approach would offer naming rights. And, since it’s good enough for little leagues everywhere, it should work for the nfl. Not different from stadiums.
Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Snyder’s commercial partners, and the investors who fund the entities are going to make this choice. This is how business works, all day, everyday, in America.
Snyder’s the one who mounted the rostrum on promoting American Indianism — he was probably better off literally never saying anything on the topic.
The name isn’t going to survive the weekend, and the franchise and the league are going to move on just fine.
I would prefer they keep the name, but if they must change I like
Warriors. I see a lot of people saying to keep the logo, but not the name, we know that is not happening. They can go back to the late 60s logo with the spear across the helmet.
One thing that is never brought up with this is that if they change their names 3/4 of the Washington teams will not have their real names, as in Bullets and Senators.
I like how someone brought up that most Native Americans are not offended and that a HS on a reservation calls themselves Redskins.
As far as the Indians changing their name too is concerned, and all Indian names is that it honors them, it doesn't demean them. Did we also name states, cities, towns, rivers, military units, and helicopters after them to demean them? Has there been another civilization out there who honors a conquered people like this?
So if all Native American names are racist and demeaning then why are the Vikings, Celtics, and Fighting Irish not? Weren't the Irish conquered and colonized as well? Weren't the Celtics the indigenous population of all the British Islands?
Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
So, you're offended that people are offended? People being offended really offends you?
Also, you're not one of those namby pamby, thin-skinned, snowflakes, but if the NFL plays a song you don't like, you're not going to watch football anymore?
Are you sure you're not just copy any pasting comments from The Onion?
what the Redskins fans think? I was reading through a lot of the comments on a thread on Extreme Skins.
It seems for the most part the skins fans (for the most part) do not want to cave to the pressure. These are the team's real paying customers. Makes the decision for Snyder that much more difficult.
Do they NET lose or gain fans due to changing the name? What is your guess?
Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
So, you're offended that people are offended? People being offended really offends you?
Also, you're not one of those namby pamby, thin-skinned, snowflakes, but if the NFL plays a song you don't like, you're not going to watch football anymore?
Are you sure you're not just copy any pasting comments from The Onion?
I had this discussion with my wife the last 2 days. Long story short, I think changing the name to the Washington Warriors (as mentioned before) could work, as they could still keep the color scheme as well as things like their alternate logos like the arrow with the feather on it (2002 throwback helmet).
Is there another indigenous tribe from the DC area that they could honor ? Washington Apaches sounds good, but I believe they are based in the southwest. Probably best they avoid anything to do with Native American themes.
Another name someone came up with a while ago was the Washington Federals. I think that could definitely work, although not sure about the logo. Cowboys vs. Federals is kind of historically fitting, no ? Also ties into the area with MLB's Nationals, as well as the NHL's Capitals.
Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
No snowflake is a term used by people with common sense to criticize those who live their life searching to be offended. Most often used toward college students but increasingly leeching into adults a well.
Nike, FedEx, etc. are undoubtedly making a transparent play to cash in on the current zeitgeist and remain relevant in a very trying period, both economically and otherwise. Their stance is a safe one and has only been made when it is clearly financially conducive to take.
The history of the logo is not some sacred artifact passed down through the ages and demonstrating a landmark moment in our collective as a society. Some shitbag racist took over a failing team in Boston and tried to leach off the Red Sox and play up on the "Indian Football" fad of the early 20th century. We're fighting over a cheap marketing trick by the NFL's biggest racist and pretending its something more than that.
The term "Redskin" is racist at worst and anachronistic at best. At least some Native Americans had begun asking for the name change as early as 1971 (documented at least) and organized protests against it started in the 1980s. Just as there isn't a monolith "Black Community", there isn't a singular voice for Natives - but it seems there is at least 40-50 years of history with at least some of that group voicing concern over its use. Rhetorically, what's the threshold for which we need to identify that a group is offended and react to that?
Outside of slippery slope logic fallacies, I fail to see how this is the hill people want to die on. Syracuse gave up the Saltine Warrior over 40 years ago. St. Johns' gave up "Red Men" 35 years ago. Chief Wahoo has been gone for 2 years. This isn't some recent phenomenon and to try and tie to it to anything specific misses the mark.
Its just financially convenient for it to be forced, which doesn't make the underlying point any less valid - it just demonstrates how things are done professionally, sadly.
Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Stop watching now. Playing another song before games offends you that much? It's crazy what a snowflake you are.
And no, you know god damn well who goes out of his way to divide the country, and it isn't people trying to change the Redskins name.
RE: Why are middle-class, middle-aged white men so offended by change?
Warriors. I see a lot of people saying to keep the logo, but not the name, we know that is not happening. They can go back to the late 60s logo with the spear across the helmet.
One thing that is never brought up with this is that if they change their names 3/4 of the Washington teams will not have their real names, as in Bullets and Senators.
I like how someone brought up that most Native Americans are not offended and that a HS on a reservation calls themselves Redskins.
As far as the Indians changing their name too is concerned, and all Indian names is that it honors them, it doesn't demean them. Did we also name states, cities, towns, rivers, military units, and helicopters after them to demean them? Has there been another civilization out there who honors a conquered people like this?
So if all Native American names are racist and demeaning then why are the Vikings, Celtics, and Fighting Irish not? Weren't the Irish conquered and colonized as well? Weren't the Celtics the indigenous population of all the British Islands?
This is a strawman. People are talking about the name Redskins, not all Native American based names.
Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
So, you're offended that people are offended? People being offended really offends you?
Also, you're not one of those namby pamby, thin-skinned, snowflakes, but if the NFL plays a song you don't like, you're not going to watch football anymore?
Are you sure you're not just copy any pasting comments from The Onion?
I'm pretty sure when corporate sponsors pull out, it isn't some attempt to divide the nation. Quite the opposite in fact, the tide has turned so much that these corporations feel safe in making "their stand" that the good pub will massively outweigh the bad pub. This is such an odd hill to die on.
Imagine calling people thin skinned and then refusing to watch something you got enjoyment out of for years and even take time to post on forums about it because of something as innocuous as a name change. The Giants could change their name to the NY FedEx Ground and Pounds and I could literally give a shit. It's a name. I take more offense to the rule changes to the game in order to cater to the fantasy contingent. There are ways to to boost scoring without making it look gamed - see what the XFL did.
This is a strawman. People are talking about the name Redskins, not all Native American based names.
It isn't actually a strawman though. Link - ( New Window )
And the Blackhawks? Braves? Seminoles?
It's not like theres not an obvious explanation for this - Cleveland caught a lot of flak for their awful, awful Chief Wahoo, which is the impetus for them even discussing a name change.
Plus, I was talking about this thread, so yes, it was a strawman.
Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Of those polled for the study, 57% who strongly identify with being Native American and 67% of those who frequently engage in tribal cultural practices were found to be deeply insulted by caricatures of Native American culture.
A Facebook friend of mine who I worked with ten years ago strongly identifies with his Native American heritage and frequently engages in tribal cultural practices. I messaged him today asking for his feelings on the Redskins name. I'll let you know his response.
There’s a wave going on now. I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers have risen. I think People’s feelings and opinions ride the wave and become a mass, rather than inherent, opinion.
I heard back from him and he said he found it offensive. He is a 72-year old man and I was tempted to ask him if he'd always felt this way, but I thought that would be rude.
what the Redskins fans think? I was reading through a lot of the comments on a thread on Extreme Skins.
It seems for the most part the skins fans (for the most part) do not want to cave to the pressure. These are the team's real paying customers. Makes the decision for Snyder that much more difficult.
Do they NET lose or gain fans due to changing the name? What is your guess?
Disagree on your take on the ExtremeSkins thread, if we are talking present tense.
I see a split between those who are overtly in favor of the change and those who are resigned to it. Virtually no one wants Snyder to try to continue to hold out, which is practically impossible at this point anyway.
Not going to say Washington won't lose any fans, but it will be very few and, again, the issue of whether to change has become practically moot.
As evidence of that, ExtremeSkins has put discussion of what the new name should be on the main board and it's the hot thread.
Discussion of whether the name should change (at all) is relegated to an off-topic board and, even there, almost no one, present tense, is advocating for keeping the name.
Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Stop watching now. Playing another song before games offends you that much? It's crazy what a snowflake you are.
And no, you know god damn well who goes out of his way to divide the country, and it isn't people trying to change the Redskins name.
I think they should just drop the Anthem before all the games in all the sports. It has outlived its' intention.
Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Stop watching now. Playing another song before games offends you that much? It's crazy what a snowflake you are.
And no, you know god damn well who goes out of his way to divide the country, and it isn't people trying to change the Redskins name.
I think they should just drop the Anthem before all the games in all the sports. It has outlived its' intention.
+1. Too much distraction and it’s not relevant to the point of coming out to the stadium.
RE: RE: What is the demographic of a fan that will walk away?
I personally think a lot of this stuff is over the top. Serious situations where police or someone in authority abuses power or discriminates whether on basis of sex or race I get it. That's why we have laws for those as they are crimes. Of course not always properly or fairly applied and that's what has to improve.
The ideas and ideals of the Constitution, Star Spangled banner and Pledge of Allegiance are correct. It's people that are flawed and always will be. Perfection is unattainable when dealing with 350 million human beings. The USA does most things better than most nations.
Playing a separate anthem though? That seems an over sensitive over reaction which actually separates us not joins us. There isn't a racist thought or idea expressed in the song. It applies to all Americans. So why wouldn't everyone want to be included in it? All of us.
is a bit over done. How about continuing to address actual issues dealing with race in the community and the NFL?
It's like the owners are over thinking this. I consider this along the same lines as politicians kneeling while wearing kente cloth to show solidarity (Hopefully, that isn't looked at as being political...not my intention).
Wtf? Why? Just fix your shit.
Might as well go full Rollerball (Corporate Sponsorship)
And call them the "Washington Nike's". If LeBron, Nike and the NBA don't care about forced labor (Uyghurs)) in China making Nike products, I'm sure the NFL and all the other corporate sponsors aren't concerned.
And there are also reflexive reactions to waves
- The polling around the American Indian community’s feelings on the term and iconography sways greatly from poll to poll. A more recent UC Berkeley poll, and arguably a better constructed poll than the Post poll often referenced, shows a majority of that community is not in favor of the team name.
- Seemingly a lot of Americans in general are uncomfortable with the name
- If Snyder’s intention is to honor and promote American Indians, there are probably better ways to do it
I don’t think teams names ought to promote anything other than the team (and, perhaps, the location). But, it’s very valuable real estate. A market approach would offer naming rights. And, since it’s good enough for little leagues everywhere, it should work for the nfl. Not different from stadiums.
+1
Snyder’s the one who mounted the rostrum on promoting American Indianism — he was probably better off literally never saying anything on the topic.
The name isn’t going to survive the weekend, and the franchise and the league are going to move on just fine.
One thing that is never brought up with this is that if they change their names 3/4 of the Washington teams will not have their real names, as in Bullets and Senators.
I like how someone brought up that most Native Americans are not offended and that a HS on a reservation calls themselves Redskins.
As far as the Indians changing their name too is concerned, and all Indian names is that it honors them, it doesn't demean them. Did we also name states, cities, towns, rivers, military units, and helicopters after them to demean them? Has there been another civilization out there who honors a conquered people like this?
So if all Native American names are racist and demeaning then why are the Vikings, Celtics, and Fighting Irish not? Weren't the Irish conquered and colonized as well? Weren't the Celtics the indigenous population of all the British Islands?
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Putting my vote in for it. It makes the most sense.
Only because most fans refer to them as that and so do the media
So, you're offended that people are offended? People being offended really offends you?
Also, you're not one of those namby pamby, thin-skinned, snowflakes, but if the NFL plays a song you don't like, you're not going to watch football anymore?
Are you sure you're not just copy any pasting comments from The Onion?
It seems for the most part the skins fans (for the most part) do not want to cave to the pressure. These are the team's real paying customers. Makes the decision for Snyder that much more difficult.
Do they NET lose or gain fans due to changing the name? What is your guess?
Sources:2016 ESPN indeed told Bomani Jones to cover his Cleveland ‘Caucasians’ shirt 😂😂🤣
Talk about snowflakes
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Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
So, you're offended that people are offended? People being offended really offends you?
Also, you're not one of those namby pamby, thin-skinned, snowflakes, but if the NFL plays a song you don't like, you're not going to watch football anymore?
Are you sure you're not just copy any pasting comments from The Onion?
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Is there another indigenous tribe from the DC area that they could honor ? Washington Apaches sounds good, but I believe they are based in the southwest. Probably best they avoid anything to do with Native American themes.
Another name someone came up with a while ago was the Washington Federals. I think that could definitely work, although not sure about the logo. Cowboys vs. Federals is kind of historically fitting, no ? Also ties into the area with MLB's Nationals, as well as the NHL's Capitals.
Good riddance. Buh bye.
Just you betas offended - ( New Window )
No snowflake is a term used by people with common sense to criticize those who live their life searching to be offended. Most often used toward college students but increasingly leeching into adults a well.
I'd like the Washington Generals with George Washington on the helmet, oh wait can't do that either.
Whatever they do, no one will be happy.
The history of the logo is not some sacred artifact passed down through the ages and demonstrating a landmark moment in our collective as a society. Some shitbag racist took over a failing team in Boston and tried to leach off the Red Sox and play up on the "Indian Football" fad of the early 20th century. We're fighting over a cheap marketing trick by the NFL's biggest racist and pretending its something more than that.
The term "Redskin" is racist at worst and anachronistic at best. At least some Native Americans had begun asking for the name change as early as 1971 (documented at least) and organized protests against it started in the 1980s. Just as there isn't a monolith "Black Community", there isn't a singular voice for Natives - but it seems there is at least 40-50 years of history with at least some of that group voicing concern over its use. Rhetorically, what's the threshold for which we need to identify that a group is offended and react to that?
Outside of slippery slope logic fallacies, I fail to see how this is the hill people want to die on. Syracuse gave up the Saltine Warrior over 40 years ago. St. Johns' gave up "Red Men" 35 years ago. Chief Wahoo has been gone for 2 years. This isn't some recent phenomenon and to try and tie to it to anything specific misses the mark.
Its just financially convenient for it to be forced, which doesn't make the underlying point any less valid - it just demonstrates how things are done professionally, sadly.
So we’d have to root against the Americans and when we play them, we’ll want to kick some American ass.
I think there's something in their culture.
I have no issue with companies taking stands on things but they better not have any skeletons in the closet.
The Washington Filibusters?
The Washington What the Fucks?
The Washington Taxpayers?
The Washington Sex Scandallers
The Washington Bottomless Mimosas
The Washington Psychopaths
The Washington Potomac Pissers
And no, you know god damn well who goes out of his way to divide the country, and it isn't people trying to change the Redskins name.
I think there's something in their culture.
generalize much?
One thing that is never brought up with this is that if they change their names 3/4 of the Washington teams will not have their real names, as in Bullets and Senators.
I like how someone brought up that most Native Americans are not offended and that a HS on a reservation calls themselves Redskins.
As far as the Indians changing their name too is concerned, and all Indian names is that it honors them, it doesn't demean them. Did we also name states, cities, towns, rivers, military units, and helicopters after them to demean them? Has there been another civilization out there who honors a conquered people like this?
So if all Native American names are racist and demeaning then why are the Vikings, Celtics, and Fighting Irish not? Weren't the Irish conquered and colonized as well? Weren't the Celtics the indigenous population of all the British Islands?
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Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
So, you're offended that people are offended? People being offended really offends you?
Also, you're not one of those namby pamby, thin-skinned, snowflakes, but if the NFL plays a song you don't like, you're not going to watch football anymore?
Are you sure you're not just copy any pasting comments from The Onion?
I'm pretty sure when corporate sponsors pull out, it isn't some attempt to divide the nation. Quite the opposite in fact, the tide has turned so much that these corporations feel safe in making "their stand" that the good pub will massively outweigh the bad pub. This is such an odd hill to die on.
Imagine calling people thin skinned and then refusing to watch something you got enjoyment out of for years and even take time to post on forums about it because of something as innocuous as a name change. The Giants could change their name to the NY FedEx Ground and Pounds and I could literally give a shit. It's a name. I take more offense to the rule changes to the game in order to cater to the fantasy contingent. There are ways to to boost scoring without making it look gamed - see what the XFL did.
Some of you guys need to take a break from the keyboard and the news and think about what actually matters in life.
I have no issue with companies taking stands on things but they better not have any skeletons in the closet.
I am pro BLM and also find these meaningless corporate gestures often hypocritical and/or counterproductive
This is a strawman. People are talking about the name Redskins, not all Native American based names.
It isn't actually a strawman though.
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This is a strawman. People are talking about the name Redskins, not all Native American based names.
It isn't actually a strawman though. Link - ( New Window )
It's not like theres not an obvious explanation for this - Cleveland caught a lot of flak for their awful, awful Chief Wahoo, which is the impetus for them even discussing a name change.
Plus, I was talking about this thread, so yes, it was a strawman.
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Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
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Of those polled for the study, 57% who strongly identify with being Native American and 67% of those who frequently engage in tribal cultural practices were found to be deeply insulted by caricatures of Native American culture.
A Facebook friend of mine who I worked with ten years ago strongly identifies with his Native American heritage and frequently engages in tribal cultural practices. I messaged him today asking for his feelings on the Redskins name. I'll let you know his response.
There’s a wave going on now. I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers have risen. I think People’s feelings and opinions ride the wave and become a mass, rather than inherent, opinion.
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The Washington Gridlock?
The Washington Filibusters?
The Washington What the Fucks?
The Washington Taxpayers?
The Washington Sex Scandallers
The Washington Bottomless Mimosas
The Washington Psychopaths
The Washington Potomac Pissers
The Potomac Pissers has a nice ring to it lol. Nicely done.
It seems for the most part the skins fans (for the most part) do not want to cave to the pressure. These are the team's real paying customers. Makes the decision for Snyder that much more difficult.
Do they NET lose or gain fans due to changing the name? What is your guess?
Disagree on your take on the ExtremeSkins thread, if we are talking present tense.
I see a split between those who are overtly in favor of the change and those who are resigned to it. Virtually no one wants Snyder to try to continue to hold out, which is practically impossible at this point anyway.
Not going to say Washington won't lose any fans, but it will be very few and, again, the issue of whether to change has become practically moot.
As evidence of that, ExtremeSkins has put discussion of what the new name should be on the main board and it's the hot thread.
Discussion of whether the name should change (at all) is relegated to an off-topic board and, even there, almost no one, present tense, is advocating for keeping the name.
They are probably old(er), the are probably not highly educated, they are probably not that wealthy.
Now there is an original idea!
They are probably old(er), the are probably not highly educated, they are probably not that wealthy.
Be careful of your bigotry here.
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Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Stop watching now. Playing another song before games offends you that much? It's crazy what a snowflake you are.
And no, you know god damn well who goes out of his way to divide the country, and it isn't people trying to change the Redskins name.
I think they should just drop the Anthem before all the games in all the sports. It has outlived its' intention.
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Anyone can find a way to be offended by just about anything these days. It's all horseshit. It's just a method used to continue to divide the country. If Goodell kisses ass by playing a "black" national anthem, I'm through with NFL football. I've been an avid fan since 1971. I will miss it, but there are other things in life to enjoy. I will always love my Giant memories.
Stop watching now. Playing another song before games offends you that much? It's crazy what a snowflake you are.
And no, you know god damn well who goes out of his way to divide the country, and it isn't people trying to change the Redskins name.
I think they should just drop the Anthem before all the games in all the sports. It has outlived its' intention.
+1. Too much distraction and it’s not relevant to the point of coming out to the stadium.
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Is this a customer they should be concerned about losing?
They are probably old(er), the are probably not highly educated, they are probably not that wealthy.
Be careful of your bigotry here.
Not bigotry, just looking at it from a marketing perspective.
Do you think this segment of the market base spends a lot of money on the product. This is not a moral observation, purely a financial one.
There is nothing wrong with being old, having less than an average education and/or not being wealthy. I don’t see those characteristics as insults.
The ideas and ideals of the Constitution, Star Spangled banner and Pledge of Allegiance are correct. It's people that are flawed and always will be. Perfection is unattainable when dealing with 350 million human beings. The USA does most things better than most nations.
Playing a separate anthem though? That seems an over sensitive over reaction which actually separates us not joins us. There isn't a racist thought or idea expressed in the song. It applies to all Americans. So why wouldn't everyone want to be included in it? All of us.
It's like the owners are over thinking this. I consider this along the same lines as politicians kneeling while wearing kente cloth to show solidarity (Hopefully, that isn't looked at as being political...not my intention).
Wtf? Why? Just fix your shit.
Companies still can’t stop labor abuses at Chinese factories