Still some work, but getting closer
Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
We're getting closer to hockey this summer..
The NHL & NHLPA finalized protocols for the 24-team tournament in Edmonton & Toronto. Ideally begins Aug 1. Players must notify teams by 5 pm on July 7 if they're opting out. Quick news story on what comes next.
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I think that's pretty consistent with the Bettman interview from June 9:
Commissioner Bettman: "I think that it's conceivable that we're playing at the end of July. It could be the beginning of August and then playing into September. So somewhere around that time frame. It may be that things open up quicker and players get back sooner and they're in shape and they don't want a prolonged training camp, and that we're going take our guidance from the players on. Then it would accelerate a little bit. But I think realistically if we're in training camp in mid-July that would be a good thing. Then, if we could be playing by the end of July or the beginning of August, that would be a good thing too. But if it has to slide more, then it will slide."...
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Return to Play Stage 4 states, "Individuals leaving...without permission may be subject to consequences up to and including removal." In addition, "violations...will result in, for clubs, significant penalties, potentially including fines and/or loss of draft choices."
Bob McKenzie
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NHL and NHLPA have finalized tentative agreement on RTP Phase 3/4 protocols but are continuing to work on finalizing the details of the CBA MOU.
Bob McKenzie
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The entire package — RTP and CBA — will need to be ratified by NHLPA executive committee and then a full membership vote but no ratification will take place until the CBA MOU is complete. Also will require ratification by NHL Board of Governors.
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The Phase 3/4 RTP protocol is a 40-page document. Some of the details are as follows: A limit of 30 skaters in Phase 3 with an unlimited number of goalies; Only players eligible to play 2019-20 resumption permitted to skate in Phase 3;
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Any player may opt out of Phase 3 and Phase 4 without penalty of any kind, but must make that decision and notify his club in writing by no later than 5 p.m. ET on July 7; Each of the 24 NHL clubs in Phase 3/4 must submit list of participating players by no later than July 9.
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There is a detailed breakdown of players returning to their home cities and what the quarantine requirements, ranging from 14 days to 7 days, depending on a myriad of circumstances that include mode of transportation, where they are coming from and testing.
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BTW, the dates listed here are subject to change for obvious reasons (ratification etc) but these are the dates currently outlined in the document that has been sent to players tonight.
Bob McKenzie
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There is obviously a large section on testing, that includes all players and club personnel being tested 48 hours prior to any individual returning to club training facilities and on an every other day basis after that, with all results being available with 24 hours.
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If the test result is unavailable within the 24-hour period, the individual is not permitted to remain in club training facilities until such time that the test comes back negative.
Bob McKenzie
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There will be daily temperature and symptom checks for individuals at home (less than two hours before going to the training facility) and upon entry to the training facility.
Bob McKenzie
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All players who haven’t already had it as part of Phase 2 will undergo a Pre-Participation Medical Examination (PPME) prior to any Phase 3 activities but after any required quarantine period has been served.
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Here’s an interesting clause: “Players who, after consultation with Club doctor who conducted PPME, and the Club’s infectious disease expert, are determined to be at substantial risk of developing a serious illness as a result of exposure to the novel coronavirus...
Bob McKenzie
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...shall be deemed to be unfit to play and shall not be permitted to participate in either Phase 3 or Phase 4. A player may initiate a second opinion concerning his fitness to play status pursuant to Paragraph 5 of the Standard Player Contract.”
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If a player develops symptoms, or anyone in the player’s household, he shall immediately notify the club medical staff, self-isolate and, if deemed appropriate, go through testing protocols.
Bob McKenzie
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Any player who tests positive for COVID-19 or has a resulting or related illness will be deemed “unfit to play” and it will be an illness arising out of his employment as a hockey player and treated as a hockey-related injury for all purposes under the CBA.
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Another clause: “Absent prior approval by the League (who shall consult with the NHLPA), there shall be no disclosure by the Club to the media or to the public of information relating to a positive test result or to a person developing COVID-19 symptoms during Phase 3.”
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Players participating in Phase 3 are not permitted to work out or skate at any public facility. No fitness testing of players by clubs will be permitted during Phase 3. Permitted Phase 3 activities include all on/off-ice sessions with coaches, traditional training camp activities
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Here’s an interesting clause: “Players who, after consultation with Club doctor who conducted PPME, and the Club’s infectious disease expert, are determined to be at substantial risk of developing a serious illness as a result of exposure to the novel coronavirus...
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...shall be deemed to be unfit to play and shall not be permitted to participate in either Phase 3 or Phase 4. A player may initiate a second opinion concerning his fitness to play status pursuant to Paragraph 5 of the Standard Player Contract.”
In addition to putatively more controllable environments, I'm guessing Edmonton and Toronto were selected in part because of their latitude in NA (if discussed, already, sorry). But Edmonton can get really, really hot in late summer.
That McKenzie 'this is interesing' tweet, KK (NYR) of course comes to mind. There was an interview with JD a couple of weeks ago as to how he would handle his celiac/diabetic conditions. He said all the right things, imo, saying it was up to him to make the final call. He arrived in the US last week. The para of RTP Protocols cited by McKenzie gives player and team all the appropriate cover for correct decisions to be made.
In addition to putatively more controllable environments, I'm guessing Edmonton and Toronto were selected in part because of their latitude in NA (if discussed, already, sorry). But Edmonton can get really, really hot in late summer.
That McKenzie 'this is interesing' tweet, KK (NYR) of course comes to mind. There was an interview with JD a couple of weeks ago as to how he would handle his celiac/diabetic conditions. He said all the right things, imo, saying it was up to him to make the final call. He arrived in the US last week. The para of RTP Protocols cited by McKenzie gives player and team all the appropriate cover for correct decisions to be made.
I play year round and my shitty little rinks can keep ice.
Without crowds and the doors not opening and closing as much I expect the ice to be ok. Plus it's EDM and TOR - not Vegas and Miami - do they get as much humidity?
The only problem my rinks get is on the most humid days the boards fog up. We don't get many fans though, so no one cares.
NHL Public Relations
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NHL statement on COVID-19 testing results:
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Both numbers are right around 5.8 percent. That's roughly the same as last week, so there's been no demonstrable spike or spread in the last week of Phase 2 NHL practices.
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Per the NHL/NHLPA release:
July 13 – Start of formal training camps
July 26 – Teams travel to hub cities
August 1 – Start of Qualifying Round
We're getting closer.
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Alexander Romanov—and other ELC types—can sign now, but he can’t play in the resumption of the 2019/20 season.
Emily Kaplan
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I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.
So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto
That'll be fun
Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.
Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.
Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.
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Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.
So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto
That'll be fun
Isn't it going to be 12pm, 4pm & 8pm in each city?
So the Edmonton games will be 2pm, 6pm & 10pm on the east coast. Unless I read it wrong...
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Emily Kaplan
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I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.
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Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.
So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto
That'll be fun
Isn't it going to be 12pm, 4pm & 8pm in each city?
So the Edmonton games will be 2pm, 6pm & 10pm on the east coast. Unless I read it wrong...
No, you're correct. Edmonton is two hours behind EST, not ahead. My bad.
Regardless, very excited for that setup. Sign me up for working from home with a marathon of playoff hockey all day
Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.
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Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.
So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto
That'll be fun
I mean I dont want to get my hopes up but I'm on vacation August 8-22 this year too. This could be absolutely fucking incredible. Has an Olympics feel to it.
He's one of several players who only returned to NY recently and is still awaiting medical clearance.
The rosters include unlimited goalies, why do you think the team would consider leaving him off?
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Emily Kaplan
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I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.
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Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.
So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto
That'll be fun
I mean I dont want to get my hopes up but I'm on vacation August 8-22 this year too. This could be absolutely fucking incredible. Has an Olympics feel to it.
Dude. That's awesome. Hope you didnt have anything else planned for those 2 weeks
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Emily Kaplan
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I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.
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Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.
So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto
That'll be fun
I mean I dont want to get my hopes up but I'm on vacation August 8-22 this year too. This could be absolutely fucking incredible. Has an Olympics feel to it.
Could be like March Madness. Seems like a great couple weeks to have off.
Dude. That's awesome. Hope you didnt have anything else planned for those 2 weeks
Thanks - in this new world of ours? Yeah, i was otherwise planning to go to concerts, sports events, maybe a couple of rallies, the movies, out to eat every night... lol. No, we're heading to my parents beach house just outside Wilmington NC... so coming off the beach in the afternoon to catch some overtime playoff hockey, maybe catching some basketball and baseball here and there, at night drinking some good wine and watching more hockey and baseball... it really is nice.
If offices thought there would be some 'work remotely decay' this summer, just wait until August sports are on in the afternoons for everyone lol. Fuck it, Americans deserve some distraction already.
@ColinSNewsday
Rangers schedule v. CAR:
(6) Carolina Hurricanes vs. (11) New York Rangers
Saturday, Aug. 1: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Monday, Aug. 3: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Tuesday, Aug. 4: Hurricanes vs. Rangers
Thursday, Aug. 6: Hurricanes vs. Rangers*
Saturday, Aug. 8: Rangers vs. Hurricanes*
@bobano
Daily NHL game schedule...
12:00PM ET - Toronto (Play-In Series Game)
2:00PM ET - Edmonton (Play-In Series Game)
4:00PM ET - Toronto (Round Robin Game)
6:00PM ET - Edmonton (Round Robin Game)
8:00PM ET - Toronto (Play-In Series Game)
10:00PM ET - Edmonton (Play-In Series Game)
@ColinSNewsday
Rangers schedule v. CAR:
(6) Carolina Hurricanes vs. (11) New York Rangers
Saturday, Aug. 1: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Monday, Aug. 3: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Tuesday, Aug. 4: Hurricanes vs. Rangers
Thursday, Aug. 6: Hurricanes vs. Rangers*
Saturday, Aug. 8: Rangers vs. Hurricanes*
Thanks! Couldn't find this.
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Arthur Staple
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Agent for Ilya Sorokin (and MTL pick Alex Romanov) confirms that Sorokin can join #Isles
for Phases 3 and 4. Window to sign for 19-20 opens tomorrow at noon.
Yeah, that seems a bit weird. They can join their teams in the bubble for practice, but not for games.
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Colin Stephenson
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Rangers schedule v. CAR:
(6) Carolina Hurricanes vs. (11) New York Rangers
Saturday, Aug. 1: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Monday, Aug. 3: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Tuesday, Aug. 4: Hurricanes vs. Rangers
Thursday, Aug. 6: Hurricanes vs. Rangers*
Saturday, Aug. 8: Rangers vs. Hurricanes*
Thanks! Couldn't find this.
Read an update this morning that Kreider should be healthy and ready to go.
Impossible to say what will happen after such a long layoff, but I'm fired up to see what the Rangers can do
Yeah yeah yeah, usual caveats about risks of virus, but really hope it all happens as planned
Who knows when he will be on the ice in NA again (for games) and why burn an ELC year which it sounds like they will do.
love the potential confused by the timing.
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Ilya Sorokin signs with the New York Islanders for the remainder of 2019-2020 season. #WeAreGoldStar!
Otherwise these guys will go another 5 months with no meaningful hockey if you figure 2020-2021 season begins January 2021.
I'm guessing that's his agency
Mika: "Win the whole thing. We're not here to just participate and be another team. We want to win. We're here to win...We're going to do everything in our power to do so."
Man this guy has really grown in game and moxie. I can't imagine him saying this 2 years ago. Got me fired up. LFGR Rangers!
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Otherwise these guys will go another 5 months with no meaningful hockey if you figure 2020-2021 season begins January 2021.
It'll be a long time off from real games for sure. I'm excited to see what 6 months of training with Korn will do
Otherwise these guys will go another 5 months with no meaningful hockey if you figure 2020-2021 season begins January 2021.
idk I'm sure they discussed a bunch of options depending on how things go with all the leagues restarting. Getting him signed and hopefully getting him over for phase 3/4 hopefully indicates that his preference is to play here once next season starts. Beyond that I doubt anything is certain.
I don't know much about how contracts work, but from the sounds of it - if that happens the player (Romanov for example) wouldn't come back to the NHL until the KHL season ended - which is February/March I guess in a normal year.
So, basically you lose two ELC years. If I understand it right. It could be they just hang around to see if the AHL starts sooner or just practice for 5 months.
Such a weird time.
Works out kind of perfectly for the Isles because he will slot into Greiss' contract slot (he's a FA) and while Varlamov played well he wore down playing too much this year, so now they can phase in Sorokin to hopefully become the guy at whatever pace he is ready to handle. Varlamov would be an expensive backup but I'd put that in the category of good problem to have it Sorokin debuts strongly. Wheeler just named him his #1 goalie prospect and imaging the guy in his write-up on a Trotz team is pretty exciting.
Given how good Ilya Samsonov, Igor Shesterkin, and Alexandar Georgiev have already shown they can be in the NHL, and how much buzz Yaroslav Askarov has created, it has almost felt like Sorokin’s dominance has been lost in the fray somewhere among his Russian cohorts just by virtue of waiting a year longer in the KHL. That has always felt weird to me because I honestly believe Sorokin has a chance to be the best NHL goalie of the bunch. He has a stronger track record professionally in Europe than Samsonov, Shesterkin and Georgiev, and there are stylistic concerns with Asakrov that don’t exist in Sorokin’s game. I don’t think people properly understand how good Sorokin has been in the KHL. He entered the second-best pro league in the world as a 17-year-old and has a career .930 save percentage in 244 regular-season games (!) since. That’s the equivalent to four 60-game seasons as a virtually unflappable goalie. During that time, he also has a career .940 save percentage across 69 playoff games. We’re talking about a massive sample size.
While some of that success is surely linked to playing the vast majority of that career with CSKA, Sorokin also checks a lot of boxes stylistically. At 6-foot-2 and 176 pounds, he’s not the biggest goalie in the world, but Sorokin does an expert job getting set in his stance, squaring up shooters, tracking the play, and seeing through traffic. He’s not the most athletic, nor the tallest, but he rarely looks surprised by shots and swallows rebounds so that he doesn’t have to make a ton of difficult second-opportunity saves. I think he’s going to be a starter — and a good one — though there’s always volatility with projecting goalies.
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either way, Sorokin is a great prospect.
I love seeing Cayden Primeau on there - not just because he's a hab, but because he was a 7th round pick, and he's Keith's son.
Watching him night in and night out as a Ranger I'm just blown away not just by his scoring abilities but his hockey sense. I've never seen a guy so regularly just take the puck away from other players. He'll pluck it out of the air with ridiculous hand eye or just somehow adjust his position blind and just be there and the puck is his. It's tremendously fun to watch and must scare the bejesus out of defensemen. Because once he has it he's so dangerous with it.
So excited to see him play his prime years on Broadway. We're entering a NY Ranger championship window imo and I truly believe with Mika, Breadman, Fox and Igor leading a young and very talented team I see a Cup in the near future.
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Not sure. I think maybe it depends on what coaching they've received. So many hockey players are so bad fundamentally (at the youth levels). I bring my youngest to a figure skating coach in the off-season for private lessons (not this year of course) and the figure skating instructor every year tells me "I'm amazed at how bad fundamentally hockey players are at skating".
And to me it's obvious. We have 50 - 60 min practices two or three times a week (usually twice) and we spend 10 minutes in the beginning of each practices on skating, we have 15-16 skaters and none gets individual attention (and even if they wanted it I have no clue how to coach them, lol). So most kids who don't pick up strides, knee bend, arm stride, posture, etc - they're not going to.
So, I do think if your technique is bad you can improve it with proper coaching - though it's hard to break habits as you say at that age.
But in the end I'm not sure really, and I also question how these guys can ascend to these elite levels being "bad skaters". So what are you really saying? They don't do tight turns like Sidney Crosby or have a first step like Connor McDavid? Don't have straight line speed like Bure? No one does. Brendan Gallagher has built a nice career out of being a "bad skater". I guess what I'm saying is even if someone isn't an elite skater, I think they could still thrive in the NHL with other strong attributes.
But it also may explain (along with size) why Gallagher (for example) fell to the 5th round. I don't think Lias Andersson's skating has anything to do with his current situation.
The back end will be ready to hoist sooner than you think, say two years imo.
This is a good point too. I played with a bunch of guys this week on an ACHA D3 team and was blown away at how good they are.
I know Barbara Underhill is a famous coach, to Greg's point. Boyle had that great year after training with her, but I thought most of it was just because his S% was much higher. I remember him looking a bit faster after that off-season, but I could be imagining things.
I also think there's just so much more to skating than speed. I thought Hayes was a great skater even though he wasn't all that fast.
Do you find see meaningful differences in players performances after an off-season with them?
Miller is the wild card IMO. From what I've read, he's still pretty raw and learning how to play the position, but his physical gifts are rare and his upside is phenomenal. If he can reach the upper end of his potential, he could be special.
I mean, some of this is apples and oranges - in pitching it's often more about approach and game plan more than physical changes. Still, the greater point about top-level athletes benefiting from better coaching remains. Same thing in golf - even one of the greatest ever in Tiger Woods changed coaches after a couple of down years in 2003-4 and then had a few monster years with his new coach.
Will be a fantastic talent when he gets to the US.
Will be a fantastic talent when he gets to the US.
Sorry, Lundkvist.
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But in the end I'm not sure really, and I also question how these guys can ascend to these elite levels being "bad skaters".
This is a good point too. I played with a bunch of guys this week on an ACHA D3 team and was blown away at how good they are.
I know Barbara Underhill is a famous coach, to Greg's point. Boyle had that great year after training with her, but I thought most of it was just because his S% was much higher. I remember him looking a bit faster after that off-season, but I could be imagining things.
I also think there's just so much more to skating than speed. I thought Hayes was a great skater even though he wasn't all that fast.
It's definitely not just speed IMO that defines a skater or better yet a hockey player. Jonathan Drouin won fastest skater at least once and he's absolutely electric with the puck on his stick (at times) and he still rushes the puck into the zone 1 on 4 and turns it over night after night.
Why? IMO it's because of Hockey IQ.
So hard to define, so elusive, but IMO the key difference maker in a hockey player. More than skating. Your skating has to hit a bar to make it to the NHL, but once you've done that IMO hockey IQ is a big part of the difference.
Connor McDavid has both. Sidney Crosby, doesn't have the that kind of speed, but his hockey IQ is off the charts and he's at as elite a skater in terms of edge work I have ever seen.
And I use clips of Crosby to teach my kids about tight turns, edge work, eagle/mohawk turns, angles, puck protection.
I define Hockey IQ like the supreme court described obscenity "I know it when I see it". Only a handful of players in Crosby's class. Datsyuk, Gaudreau (though his size limits him IMO), McDavid, and maybe Bergeron, can't really say anyone else belongs in that group from this era (yet).
Great example, such a frustrating player, but this year I thought he took some strides, maybe riding Mika's coat tails a little. Bigger players sometimes take longer to develop. Kind of like John LeClair for example, but that's who I always thought Kreider would become, John LeClair 2.0. Lindros kind of helped LeClair but that was more two-way than some people want to admit.
Are the isles confirmed the noon game each day?
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For the summer I didnt want to use days during summer but looks like im putting in for vacation 3-7 so i can see the isles at noon. Cant wait 🤞🏻
Are the isles confirmed the noon game each day?
Yup games 2 and 3 are at noon. Game 1 is at 4 on saturday aug 1. The schedule pjcas posted straight from nhl.com
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For the summer I didnt want to use days during summer but looks like im putting in for vacation 3-7 so i can see the isles at noon. Cant wait 🤞🏻
Are the isles confirmed the noon game each day?
Yup games 2 and 3 are at noon. Game 1 is at 4 on saturday aug 1. The schedule pjcas posted straight from nhl.com
Ah, hadn't digested that yet. It completely upset w that. Florida always has low attendance and it's not like the Isles are a national draw so noon makes sense. Happy with the 4pm game on Saturday
I also don't think Kreider has great hands, either.