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NFT: NHL/PA agree to RTP Protocols for Edmonton and Toronto

pjcas18 : 7/5/2020 8:31 pm
Still some work, but getting closer

Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
We're getting closer to hockey this summer..

The NHL & NHLPA finalized protocols for the 24-team tournament in Edmonton & Toronto. Ideally begins Aug 1. Players must notify teams by 5 pm on July 7 if they're opting out. Quick news story on what comes next.
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Ugh so they are pushing back the restart  
MetsAreBack : 7/5/2020 8:35 pm : link
I’d thought it was July 28... now best case aug 1? I knew it had been too quiet.
RE: Ugh so they are pushing back the restart  
pjcas18 : 7/5/2020 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14929137 MetsAreBack said:
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I’d thought it was July 28... now best case aug 1? I knew it had been too quiet.


I think that's pretty consistent with the Bettman interview from June 9:

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....When do you expect the qualifiers and round-robin to start?

Commissioner Bettman: "I think that it's conceivable that we're playing at the end of July. It could be the beginning of August and then playing into September. So somewhere around that time frame. It may be that things open up quicker and players get back sooner and they're in shape and they don't want a prolonged training camp, and that we're going take our guidance from the players on. Then it would accelerate a little bit. But I think realistically if we're in training camp in mid-July that would be a good thing. Then, if we could be playing by the end of July or the beginning of August, that would be a good thing too. But if it has to slide more, then it will slide."...
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pjcas18 : 7/5/2020 8:53 pm : link
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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Return to Play Stage 4 states, "Individuals leaving...without permission may be subject to consequences up to and including removal." In addition, "violations...will result in, for clubs, significant penalties, potentially including fines and/or loss of draft choices."
A lot of detail here I'll link  
pjcas18 : 7/5/2020 8:56 pm : link
McKenzie's twitter, but...

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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NHL and NHLPA have finalized tentative agreement on RTP Phase 3/4 protocols but are continuing to work on finalizing the details of the CBA MOU.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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The entire package — RTP and CBA — will need to be ratified by NHLPA executive committee and then a full membership vote but no ratification will take place until the CBA MOU is complete. Also will require ratification by NHL Board of Governors.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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The Phase 3/4 RTP protocol is a 40-page document. Some of the details are as follows: A limit of 30 skaters in Phase 3 with an unlimited number of goalies; Only players eligible to play 2019-20 resumption permitted to skate in Phase 3;
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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Any player may opt out of Phase 3 and Phase 4 without penalty of any kind, but must make that decision and notify his club in writing by no later than 5 p.m. ET on July 7; Each of the 24 NHL clubs in Phase 3/4 must submit list of participating players by no later than July 9.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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There is a detailed breakdown of players returning to their home cities and what the quarantine requirements, ranging from 14 days to 7 days, depending on a myriad of circumstances that include mode of transportation, where they are coming from and testing.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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BTW, the dates listed here are subject to change for obvious reasons (ratification etc) but these are the dates currently outlined in the document that has been sent to players tonight.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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There is obviously a large section on testing, that includes all players and club personnel being tested 48 hours prior to any individual returning to club training facilities and on an every other day basis after that, with all results being available with 24 hours.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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If the test result is unavailable within the 24-hour period, the individual is not permitted to remain in club training facilities until such time that the test comes back negative.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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There will be daily temperature and symptom checks for individuals at home (less than two hours before going to the training facility) and upon entry to the training facility.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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All players who haven’t already had it as part of Phase 2 will undergo a Pre-Participation Medical Examination (PPME) prior to any Phase 3 activities but after any required quarantine period has been served.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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Here’s an interesting clause: “Players who, after consultation with Club doctor who conducted PPME, and the Club’s infectious disease expert, are determined to be at substantial risk of developing a serious illness as a result of exposure to the novel coronavirus...
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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...shall be deemed to be unfit to play and shall not be permitted to participate in either Phase 3 or Phase 4. A player may initiate a second opinion concerning his fitness to play status pursuant to Paragraph 5 of the Standard Player Contract.”
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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If a player develops symptoms, or anyone in the player’s household, he shall immediately notify the club medical staff, self-isolate and, if deemed appropriate, go through testing protocols.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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Any player who tests positive for COVID-19 or has a resulting or related illness will be deemed “unfit to play” and it will be an illness arising out of his employment as a hockey player and treated as a hockey-related injury for all purposes under the CBA.
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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Another clause: “Absent prior approval by the League (who shall consult with the NHLPA), there shall be no disclosure by the Club to the media or to the public of information relating to a positive test result or to a person developing COVID-19 symptoms during Phase 3.”
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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Players participating in Phase 3 are not permitted to work out or skate at any public facility. No fitness testing of players by clubs will be permitted during Phase 3. Permitted Phase 3 activities include all on/off-ice sessions with coaches, traditional training camp activities

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I wonder if this will impact  
pjcas18 : 7/5/2020 8:58 pm : link
Domi and Kakko:

Here’s an interesting clause: “Players who, after consultation with Club doctor who conducted PPME, and the Club’s infectious disease expert, are determined to be at substantial risk of developing a serious illness as a result of exposure to the novel coronavirus...
Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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...shall be deemed to be unfit to play and shall not be permitted to participate in either Phase 3 or Phase 4. A player may initiate a second opinion concerning his fitness to play status pursuant to Paragraph 5 of the Standard Player Contract.”
NHL seems to really have their shit together  
Eric on Li : 7/5/2020 10:04 pm : link
2 bubbles in Canada seems like an ideal setup and they knocked out a CBA extension. Was hoping for a penalty free veteran buyout (Ladd) and still hoping to hear officially the Isles can get Sorokin signed even if he wont play now.
Yep well organized and done by bettman and the NHL and NHLPA  
Torrag : 7/6/2020 1:30 am : link
They've led the way on the pro sports resumption effort and they've done it conscientiously and well.

Has it been discussed at all, the ice surface? And a note on KK  
ColHowPepper : 7/6/2020 8:50 am : link
In a normal season, playing SC Playoffs into June, ice surfaces in cities experiencing high temps (hell, in October, November and April as well) are often slushy and affect the crispness of skating, puck luck, etc. This happens too after a dual-sport arena is converted from a night before- or day NBA game before.

In addition to putatively more controllable environments, I'm guessing Edmonton and Toronto were selected in part because of their latitude in NA (if discussed, already, sorry). But Edmonton can get really, really hot in late summer.

That McKenzie 'this is interesing' tweet, KK (NYR) of course comes to mind. There was an interview with JD a couple of weeks ago as to how he would handle his celiac/diabetic conditions. He said all the right things, imo, saying it was up to him to make the final call. He arrived in the US last week. The para of RTP Protocols cited by McKenzie gives player and team all the appropriate cover for correct decisions to be made.
RE: Has it been discussed at all, the ice surface? And a note on KK  
pjcas18 : 7/6/2020 9:00 am : link
In comment 14929175 ColHowPepper said:
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In a normal season, playing SC Playoffs into June, ice surfaces in cities experiencing high temps (hell, in October, November and April as well) are often slushy and affect the crispness of skating, puck luck, etc. This happens too after a dual-sport arena is converted from a night before- or day NBA game before.

In addition to putatively more controllable environments, I'm guessing Edmonton and Toronto were selected in part because of their latitude in NA (if discussed, already, sorry). But Edmonton can get really, really hot in late summer.

That McKenzie 'this is interesing' tweet, KK (NYR) of course comes to mind. There was an interview with JD a couple of weeks ago as to how he would handle his celiac/diabetic conditions. He said all the right things, imo, saying it was up to him to make the final call. He arrived in the US last week. The para of RTP Protocols cited by McKenzie gives player and team all the appropriate cover for correct decisions to be made.


I play year round and my shitty little rinks can keep ice.

Without crowds and the doors not opening and closing as much I expect the ice to be ok. Plus it's EDM and TOR - not Vegas and Miami - do they get as much humidity?

The only problem my rinks get is on the most humid days the boards fog up. We don't get many fans though, so no one cares.
Seems steady  
pjcas18 : 7/6/2020 11:05 am : link
(no spike at least - at least not yet)

NHL Public Relations
@PR_NHL
NHL statement on COVID-19 testing results:

Hags confirms my initial impression  
pjcas18 : 7/6/2020 11:09 am : link
Joe Haggerty
@HackswithHaggs
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Both numbers are right around 5.8 percent. That's roughly the same as last week, so there's been no demonstrable spike or spread in the last week of Phase 2 NHL practices.
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pjcas18 : 7/6/2020 5:50 pm : link
Steven Ellis
@StevenEllisNHL
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Per the NHL/NHLPA release:

July 13 – Start of formal training camps
July 26 – Teams travel to hub cities
August 1 – Start of Qualifying Round

We're getting closer.
No Romanov  
pjcas18 : 7/6/2020 6:00 pm : link
Kaprizov, Sorokin, etc.

Eric Engels
@EricEngels
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Alexander Romanov—and other ELC types—can sign now, but he can’t play in the resumption of the 2019/20 season.
Quite the schedule they have planned  
Giants in 07 : 7/8/2020 12:45 pm : link

Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.

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Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.


So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto

That'll be fun
Sorry, screwed up the quote  
Giants in 07 : 7/8/2020 12:45 pm : link
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Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.

Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.
RE: Quite the schedule they have planned  
JayBinQueens : 7/8/2020 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14930344 Giants in 07 said:
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Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.



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Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.



So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto

That'll be fun

Isn't it going to be 12pm, 4pm & 8pm in each city?
So the Edmonton games will be 2pm, 6pm & 10pm on the east coast. Unless I read it wrong...
RE: RE: Quite the schedule they have planned  
Giants in 07 : 7/8/2020 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14930446 JayBinQueens said:
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In comment 14930344 Giants in 07 said:


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Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.



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Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.



So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto

That'll be fun


Isn't it going to be 12pm, 4pm & 8pm in each city?
So the Edmonton games will be 2pm, 6pm & 10pm on the east coast. Unless I read it wrong...


No, you're correct. Edmonton is two hours behind EST, not ahead. My bad.

Regardless, very excited for that setup. Sign me up for working from home with a marathon of playoff hockey all day
RE: Quite the schedule they have planned  
MetsAreBack : 7/8/2020 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14930344 Giants in 07 said:
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Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.



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Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.



So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto

That'll be fun


I mean I dont want to get my hopes up but I'm on vacation August 8-22 this year too. This could be absolutely fucking incredible. Has an Olympics feel to it.
Reading Lundqvist still hasnt joined the Rangers for phase II workouts  
MetsAreBack : 7/9/2020 1:16 pm : link
and may not make the postseason roster. This has become a really sad ending to an all-time great. And I continue to think he has worth to some team out there - his metrics weren't that bad, in fact apparently should have allowed more goals than he gave up considering all the analytics they factor in.
RE: Reading Lundqvist still hasnt joined the Rangers for phase II workouts  
Mad Mike : 7/9/2020 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14930811 MetsAreBack said:
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and may not make the postseason roster. This has become a really sad ending to an all-time great. And I continue to think he has worth to some team out there - his metrics weren't that bad, in fact apparently should have allowed more goals than he gave up considering all the analytics they factor in.

He's one of several players who only returned to NY recently and is still awaiting medical clearance.

The rosters include unlimited goalies, why do you think the team would consider leaving him off?
ok, I'm misinformed then  
MetsAreBack : 7/9/2020 1:52 pm : link
the rotoworld article made it sound like he was a clear #3 and i just assumed normal he wouldnt dress this summer then.

Disregard
RE: RE: Quite the schedule they have planned  
JayBinQueens : 7/9/2020 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14930529 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 14930344 Giants in 07 said:


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Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.



Quote:


Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.



So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto

That'll be fun



I mean I dont want to get my hopes up but I'm on vacation August 8-22 this year too. This could be absolutely fucking incredible. Has an Olympics feel to it.




Dude. That's awesome. Hope you didnt have anything else planned for those 2 weeks
RE: RE: Quite the schedule they have planned  
pjcas18 : 7/9/2020 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14930529 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 14930344 Giants in 07 said:


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Emily Kaplan
@emilymkaplan
I’m told the most likely plan for the NHL is to have three games a day in each of the hub cities: 12 pm, 4pm & 8pm.



Quote:


Given the two hour difference between Toronto & Edmonton, should be a viewer’s dream.



So 10am, 2pm and 6pm in Edmonton
And 12pm, 4pm, and 8pm in Toronto

That'll be fun



I mean I dont want to get my hopes up but I'm on vacation August 8-22 this year too. This could be absolutely fucking incredible. Has an Olympics feel to it.


Could be like March Madness. Seems like a great couple weeks to have off.
Can't believe there's no compliance  
Metnut : 7/9/2020 3:42 pm : link
buyouts. Between that and a flat cap, the Islanders are going to be in serious crunch this offseason. They'll probably at least have to trade Leddy and one of Bailey or Eberle just to get cap compliant. Alternative would be to package a pick or prospect (Isles are thin on picks) to get someone to take some combination of Boychuk, Ladd, Hickey and Komorov.
RE: RE: RE: Quite the schedule they have planned  
MetsAreBack : 7/9/2020 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14930859 JayBinQueens said:
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Dude. That's awesome. Hope you didnt have anything else planned for those 2 weeks


Thanks - in this new world of ours? Yeah, i was otherwise planning to go to concerts, sports events, maybe a couple of rallies, the movies, out to eat every night... lol. No, we're heading to my parents beach house just outside Wilmington NC... so coming off the beach in the afternoon to catch some overtime playoff hockey, maybe catching some basketball and baseball here and there, at night drinking some good wine and watching more hockey and baseball... it really is nice.

If offices thought there would be some 'work remotely decay' this summer, just wait until August sports are on in the afternoons for everyone lol. Fuck it, Americans deserve some distraction already.
Rangers Fans  
Giants in 07 : 7/10/2020 8:10 pm : link
Colin Stephenson
@ColinSNewsday
Rangers schedule v. CAR:
(6) Carolina Hurricanes vs. (11) New York Rangers

Saturday, Aug. 1: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Monday, Aug. 3: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Tuesday, Aug. 4: Hurricanes vs. Rangers
Thursday, Aug. 6: Hurricanes vs. Rangers*
Saturday, Aug. 8: Rangers vs. Hurricanes*
Not sure this is confirmed but Mckenzie reported the same  
Giants in 07 : 7/10/2020 8:39 pm : link
Ian Cameron
@bobano
Daily NHL game schedule...

12:00PM ET - Toronto (Play-In Series Game)
2:00PM ET - Edmonton (Play-In Series Game)
4:00PM ET - Toronto (Round Robin Game)
6:00PM ET - Edmonton (Round Robin Game)
8:00PM ET - Toronto (Play-In Series Game)
10:00PM ET - Edmonton (Play-In Series Game)
it is damn exciting that real sports are so close to returning  
Eric on Li : 7/11/2020 10:19 am : link
just a great job by the NHL. The NBA has done ok too, but as a Nets fan half the team tested positive or has injury risks so it makes it seem pretty remarkable that the NHL may have something close to a normal playoff tournament. If Sorokin signs w/ isles next week that will be icing on the cake.
RE: Rangers Fans  
Percy : 7/11/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 14931555 Giants in 07 said:
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Colin Stephenson
@ColinSNewsday
Rangers schedule v. CAR:
(6) Carolina Hurricanes vs. (11) New York Rangers

Saturday, Aug. 1: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Monday, Aug. 3: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Tuesday, Aug. 4: Hurricanes vs. Rangers
Thursday, Aug. 6: Hurricanes vs. Rangers*
Saturday, Aug. 8: Rangers vs. Hurricanes*

Thanks! Couldn't find this.
Full schedule here  
JayBinQueens : 7/11/2020 1:27 pm : link
Can't wait!
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This is confusing now  
pjcas18 : 7/12/2020 8:38 pm : link
so they can be in phase 3 and 4, but not games? I thought phase 4 was games.

Arthur Staple
@StapeAthletic
· 3h
Agent for Ilya Sorokin (and MTL pick Alex Romanov) confirms that Sorokin can join #Isles
for Phases 3 and 4. Window to sign for 19-20 opens tomorrow at noon.
RE: This is confusing now  
Mad Mike : 7/12/2020 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14932273 pjcas18 said:
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so they can be in phase 3 and 4, but not games? I thought phase 4 was games.

Yeah, that seems a bit weird. They can join their teams in the bubble for practice, but not for games.
Bunch of Habs tested positive  
MetsAreBack : 7/12/2020 9:38 pm : link
They shouldn’t even be in this tournament and I’m guessing most of montreal would prefer their chances in the 12.5% lottery for number 1. But hope they can field a healthy squad in 3 weeks.
for the overseas players I think they want to avoid long layoff since  
Eric on Li : 7/12/2020 9:47 pm : link
next season is delayed and most haven't played in several months already. Give them a chance to join their teams and get on the ice in an organized fashion not knowing when the next chance for that will be. I don't think they wanted those guys tempted to take deals from european leagues who are going to be back on the ice ahead of next year.
RE: RE: Rangers Fans  
mfsd : 7/13/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 14931797 Percy said:
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In comment 14931555 Giants in 07 said:


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Colin Stephenson
@ColinSNewsday
Rangers schedule v. CAR:
(6) Carolina Hurricanes vs. (11) New York Rangers

Saturday, Aug. 1: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Monday, Aug. 3: Rangers vs. Hurricanes
Tuesday, Aug. 4: Hurricanes vs. Rangers
Thursday, Aug. 6: Hurricanes vs. Rangers*
Saturday, Aug. 8: Rangers vs. Hurricanes*


Thanks! Couldn't find this.


Read an update this morning that Kreider should be healthy and ready to go.

Impossible to say what will happen after such a long layoff, but I'm fired up to see what the Rangers can do

Yeah yeah yeah, usual caveats about risks of virus, but really hope it all happens as planned
Not sure I understand  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2020 11:00 am : link
why Romanov or the Canadiens would do this.

Who knows when he will be on the ice in NA again (for games) and why burn an ELC year which it sounds like they will do.

love the potential confused by the timing.

Kaprizov  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2020 7:52 pm : link
and Sorokin signed too for phase 3 and 4 (like Romanov). I admit I don't get these moves.

Dan Milstein-Hockey
@HockeyAgent1
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7m
Ilya Sorokin signs with the New York Islanders for the remainder of 2019-2020 season. #WeAreGoldStar!
For the isles this is basically the only way to entice Sorokin over  
Eric on Li : 7/13/2020 8:24 pm : link
he was making a lot more $ in Russia, so he likely wasn't going to forgo other options to make $950k in the NHL for any period of time. Even pre-C19 that was why he'd waited until now to come over. He was going to sign right after the KHL season to burn his ELC so he could get paid as an RFA pretty much immediately.
Sorokin  
KDubbs : 7/13/2020 8:33 pm : link
Good...finally...now live up to the hype. Shesterkin has so far
Are they going to loan  
pjcas18 : 7/13/2020 8:33 pm : link
him back to the KHL though? Same with Romanov and Kaprizov - same question.

Otherwise these guys will go another 5 months with no meaningful hockey if you figure 2020-2021 season begins January 2021.
i'm sure i could look this up  
MetsAreBack : 7/13/2020 9:07 pm : link
but i'm being lazy. What is #WeAreGoldStar?
RE: i'm sure i could look this up  
Anakim : 7/13/2020 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14932801 MetsAreBack said:
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but i'm being lazy. What is #WeAreGoldStar?


I'm guessing that's his agency
Mika Z today interview after Day 1:  
Torrag : 7/13/2020 9:47 pm : link
Q: What is the mindset going forward?

Mika: "Win the whole thing. We're not here to just participate and be another team. We want to win. We're here to win...We're going to do everything in our power to do so."

Man this guy has really grown in game and moxie. I can't imagine him saying this 2 years ago. Got me fired up. LFGR Rangers!
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RE: Are they going to loan  
JayBinQueens : 7/13/2020 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14932793 pjcas18 said:
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him back to the KHL though? Same with Romanov and Kaprizov - same question.

Otherwise these guys will go another 5 months with no meaningful hockey if you figure 2020-2021 season begins January 2021.


It'll be a long time off from real games for sure. I'm excited to see what 6 months of training with Korn will do
RE: Are they going to loan  
Eric on Li : 7/13/2020 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14932793 pjcas18 said:
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him back to the KHL though? Same with Romanov and Kaprizov - same question.

Otherwise these guys will go another 5 months with no meaningful hockey if you figure 2020-2021 season begins January 2021.


idk I'm sure they discussed a bunch of options depending on how things go with all the leagues restarting. Getting him signed and hopefully getting him over for phase 3/4 hopefully indicates that his preference is to play here once next season starts. Beyond that I doubt anything is certain.
Yeah  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2020 8:29 am : link
one of the options I read was loaning them back to the KHL.

I don't know much about how contracts work, but from the sounds of it - if that happens the player (Romanov for example) wouldn't come back to the NHL until the KHL season ended - which is February/March I guess in a normal year.

So, basically you lose two ELC years. If I understand it right. It could be they just hang around to see if the AHL starts sooner or just practice for 5 months.

Such a weird time.
Sorokin just agreed to a 1 year extension already for next year  
Eric on Li : 7/14/2020 10:43 am : link
so I think that means he plans on coming over and prepping for next NHL season full time. Not a bad plan for him given he can spend the time learning under Korn for the next 6 months if he chooses before the season.

Works out kind of perfectly for the Isles because he will slot into Greiss' contract slot (he's a FA) and while Varlamov played well he wore down playing too much this year, so now they can phase in Sorokin to hopefully become the guy at whatever pace he is ready to handle. Varlamov would be an expensive backup but I'd put that in the category of good problem to have it Sorokin debuts strongly. Wheeler just named him his #1 goalie prospect and imaging the guy in his write-up on a Trotz team is pretty exciting.

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1. Ilya Sorokin, G, 24 (New York Islanders — 78th overall, 2014)
Given how good Ilya Samsonov, Igor Shesterkin, and Alexandar Georgiev have already shown they can be in the NHL, and how much buzz Yaroslav Askarov has created, it has almost felt like Sorokin’s dominance has been lost in the fray somewhere among his Russian cohorts just by virtue of waiting a year longer in the KHL. That has always felt weird to me because I honestly believe Sorokin has a chance to be the best NHL goalie of the bunch. He has a stronger track record professionally in Europe than Samsonov, Shesterkin and Georgiev, and there are stylistic concerns with Asakrov that don’t exist in Sorokin’s game. I don’t think people properly understand how good Sorokin has been in the KHL. He entered the second-best pro league in the world as a 17-year-old and has a career .930 save percentage in 244 regular-season games (!) since. That’s the equivalent to four 60-game seasons as a virtually unflappable goalie. During that time, he also has a career .940 save percentage across 69 playoff games. We’re talking about a massive sample size.

While some of that success is surely linked to playing the vast majority of that career with CSKA, Sorokin also checks a lot of boxes stylistically. At 6-foot-2 and 176 pounds, he’s not the biggest goalie in the world, but Sorokin does an expert job getting set in his stance, squaring up shooters, tracking the play, and seeing through traffic. He’s not the most athletic, nor the tallest, but he rarely looks surprised by shots and swallows rebounds so that he doesn’t have to make a ton of difficult second-opportunity saves. I think he’s going to be a starter — and a good one — though there’s always volatility with projecting goalies.

Wheeler: The top 10 drafted NHL goalie prospects ranking, 2020 edition ($) - ( New Window )
I like Wheeler  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2020 11:28 am : link
but not sure I'd have Sorokin over Spencer Knight. Knight is the most poised, technically sound goalie prospect I've seen. Some say Askarov is a better prospect, but I've only seen him in INTL tourneys where he didn't fare well. Knight reminds me of Carey Price.

either way, Sorokin is a great prospect.

I love seeing Cayden Primeau on there - not just because he's a hab, but because he was a 7th round pick, and he's Keith's son.

I think all the KHL guys are getting pumped up by recency bias  
Eric on Li : 7/14/2020 11:37 am : link
the halo effect of seeing the recent translations to the NHL (especially Shesterkin). Obviously his performance set an impossible and unrealistic bar, but it flashed a startlingly high upside (which is what prospect dreams are made of).
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BrettNYG10 : 7/14/2020 12:13 pm : link
pj, I had a slightly off-topic question for you. I meant to ask it on one of the Lias threads a few weeks ago - I always see people talk about improving a prospect's skating and how that's fixable. I've always thought this was a bit silly/hopeful - players typically have had excellent training and are on the ice non-stop for years by the time they're drafted. It's not like me going from playing once or twice a week to skating five times a week with professional coaches. I can't really recall a guy meaningfully improving his skating after being drafted. Where do you fall - do you think it's something that can be meaningfully improved after being drafted or is it kind of set in stone?
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