Chiefs and QB Patrick Mahomes have reached agreement on a 10-year -- 10-year! -- contract extension that ties him to Kansas City through the 2031 season, league sources tell ESPN.
but he couldn’t have asked for a better landing spot. Stable historic franchise, HOF coach, great talent around him, great homefield advantage, weak division. As bright a future as maybe anyone’s ever had.
but he couldn’t have asked for a better landing spot. Stable historic franchise, HOF coach, great talent around him, great homefield advantage, weak division. As bright a future as maybe anyone’s ever had.
His future is bright. But let's learn from Andrew Luck and know that nothing is certain.
Damn, a $300M+ Contract. Never thought I would see the day where a football contract could rival some of these baseball deals.
I was thinking closer to $400MM
Could very well be, a 10 year extension for him now means he will only be 35 when the contract is up. Seeing how the league is protecting QB's these days, you can very well see him still playing at a very high level well into his 30's.
Who knows what the numbers will be, but at the same time, you have to think Mahomes is OK with the security of a long term deal. He wants to win Super Bowls, so unsure he would want to put the Chiefs into a cap crippling type deal.
He had two years left on his current deal, so the 10 is added to the existing deal, meaning 12 years total. He will be 37 in the final season of the contract.
I bet it beats what the NYY just gave Gerritt Cole
the top QBs get 75/80% of the total value guaranteed but I can’t see it being that high on a 10 year deal, there has to be a discount somewhere for the Chiefs.
you can sign a 30 year deal in the NFL guaranteed money is what counts
the top QBs get 75/80% of the total value guaranteed but I can’t see it being that high on a 10 year deal, there has to be a discount somewhere for the Chiefs.
Exactly.
RE: you can sign a 30 year deal in the NFL guaranteed money is what counts
interested to see sign bonus and guaranteed money.
Of course but for the top QBs it’s a given the guarantees are high. That disclaimer is for the JAGs. But the 10 year deal is pretty unprecedented and he’s giving up his right to get another contract so he’s still going to be paid handsomely.
and I’ll say it again ... but Patrick and Russell are the 2 best QBs in the business and deserve the most money ... 2 young, classy guys that are easy to root for. Maybe DJ gets there 1 day too.
My bad! Apologies. Yeah with inflation should be closer to $40M a year. But as always it’s the structure and guarantees that matter more than the annual value.
If you are allocating 1/5 of that to one player, you will start to lose the talent around him and your team won't be as successful. They probably have a 2-3 year window
with incentives could be close to 500 mil. The guaranteed money might be the better question.150 guaranteed who knows. Something this large can be structured many ways. The language will be the key
I am just running through shit in my head but on the surface this doesn't make much sense for either side. I'm sure there will come a point in time when Mahomes will not be happy with this contract. It seems to happen often and over 10 years it seems like a guarantee. On the flip side if he suffers a career ending injury the KC is FUCKED.
So, what makes sense for both? Has a player option ever been done in the NFL? Maybe this is a 5 year deal with a 5 year player option on top of it? It would have to protect KC against injury somehow if it were a player option. Does KC have room to front load the contract with roster bonuses as guaranteed money? Base salary guarantees make sense too. Signing bonus? It can't be crazy because that'll handcuff KC with that contract. It'll be interesting to see how it is structured.
Actually may be the only contract on an Elite player
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Patrick Mahones 10 year extension, first reported by ESPN, will be guided by a mechanism that ensures the QBs annual salary never drops below certain cap thresholds, I'm told. Will always be above a certain % of the cap
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There are no official numbers on Patrick Mahomes' 10-year extension just yet, but multiple sources believe it ultimately will be tied to a percentage of the salary cap for each season. The higher the cap goes, the more Mahomes will make.
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The interesting part is, the Chiefs have been adamant that they would not tie a new Patrick Mahomes' deal to percentage of the cap. So this is going to be interesting to see the deal's final structure.
With the future uncertain, AND with Mahomes still having two remaining years on his current deal... Why now?
Because he earned it, and he’s the best at the position. I think a lot of fans get hung up on team makeup and don’t put enough stock in off the field value of which Mahomes value is also apparent but harder to quantify.
If we are just talking football it’s probably a deal that bites them eventually but they are going to get a ton of value out of it on and off the field.
With the future uncertain, AND with Mahomes still having two remaining years on his current deal... Why now?
Because he earned it, and he’s the best at the position. I think a lot of fans get hung up on team makeup and don’t put enough stock in off the field value of which Mahomes value is also apparent but harder to quantify.
If we are just talking football it’s probably a deal that bites them eventually but they are going to get a ton of value out of it on and off the field.
It's not the parameters of the deal that I'm taking the issue with, it's the timing of it. I mean, there's a good chance there isn't an NFL season this year.
Why not shelve this deal, since Mahomes isn't a Free Agent or anything after this season (whether there is one or not) until next offseason when you know if there will be a consistent season or not?
if the APY and guaranteed money is greater than or equal to what you'd expect from two 5 year contracts.
Details should be very interesting.
Not sure any QB in the NFL could be worth a ten year extension.
Why? He's only 24 and the best QB in football. The 49ers gave Jimmy Garoppolo a 5 year 137.5 million dollar contract after just 7 career starts. I don't recall you criticizing that deal.
& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
Much rather watch a fun team like them be a dynasty than the Pats who are like the Spurs of the NFL.
KC is a very good team because of how they're constructed, more so than Mahomes is the greatest QB to ever play the game.
They've done a good job building a roster to have as many fast guys as possible to challenge defenses with a very unique talent in Tyreek Hill to boot.
Now with the cap space getting eaten up it will be interesting to see how the Chiefs adapt.
They trailed significantly in 3 postseason games, all wins perhaps, but still.
& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
He’ll be lucky to get back to another SB. I like Reid, but he’s no Belichick. Everyone thought Marino would get back to several SBs. Never did. You need MORE than talent to get back there
if the APY and guaranteed money is greater than or equal to what you'd expect from two 5 year contracts.
Details should be very interesting.
Not sure any QB in the NFL could be worth a ten year extension.
Why? He's only 24 and the best QB in football. The 49ers gave Jimmy Garoppolo a 5 year 137.5 million dollar contract after just 7 career starts. I don't recall you criticizing that deal.
Well look at what he did with a 1-10 football team on top of a good resume in limited action with KC.
You either bet on him being a franchise guy or not, and with the cap space the team had it was easy to front load the squad.
The contract was up, so either a big extension had to be made or you go franchise tag. There wasn't luxury of another season, and I'm 99.99% sure they wouldn't have extended him any earlier than they had to if they had an extra season.
As far as what he's done so far, I think it speaks for itself. Winning percentage best of all starters since 2017. He's won with scrubs and won with elite players, with no knowledge of playbook, with very good knowledge.
Now his APY is barely top 10 going forward and the cap will increase in coming years. His next contract will correlate to how good he is at that point.
So yeah, tons to criticize. Far far riskier than paying Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, or a bunch of other guys who will be lucky to play in a SB.
Well look at what he did with a 1-10 football team on top of a good resume in limited action with KC.
You either bet on him being a franchise guy or not, and with the cap space the team had it was easy to front load the squad.
The contract was up, so either a big extension had to be made or you go franchise tag. There wasn't luxury of another season, and I'm 99.99% sure they wouldn't have extended him any earlier than they had to if they had an extra season.
As far as what he's done so far, I think it speaks for itself. Winning percentage best of all starters since 2017. He's won with scrubs and won with elite players, with no knowledge of playbook, with very good knowledge.
Now his APY is barely top 10 going forward and the cap will increase in coming years. His next contract will correlate to how good he is at that point.
So yeah, tons to criticize. Far far riskier than paying Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, or a bunch of other guys who will be lucky to play in a SB.
Weird, I made no mention of either Cousins or Prescott I was talking about Mahomes. I laughed at the contract the Vikings gave Cousins and I hope the Cowboys give Prescott 35+ million per season.
You’ve proven your bias by applauding Garoppolo’s contract while laughing at Mahomes who is only 24 and has just won his first Super Bowl. He has been the best QB in the NFL over the past two years.
not really sure I follow, why not get a deal done now? If they don’t play they don’t play, and if anything the Chiefs would pay more if they wait. For Mahomes he gets his security locked in and if he gets a huge signing bonus he can roll that all into investments and make a fortune off interest instead of waiting.
I need to see the parameters but this is probably a good deal for both sides.
$450 million, $470 million including the last 2 years of his current deal. Dude got paid and once the cap starts rising this will end up being ok for KC
$450 million, $470 million including the last 2 years of his current deal. Dude got paid and once the cap starts rising this will end up being ok for KC
There were rumors that it was directly tied to the cap. Is that not true?
$450 million, $470 million including the last 2 years of his current deal. Dude got paid and once the cap starts rising this will end up being ok for KC
There were rumors that it was directly tied to the cap. Is that not true?
$450 million, $470 million including the last 2 years of his current deal. Dude got paid and once the cap starts rising this will end up being ok for KC
There were rumors that it was directly tied to the cap. Is that not true?
It’s not tied to the cap, Schefter tweeted an update with those numbers.
& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
He’ll be lucky to get back to another SB. I like Reid, but he’s no Belichick. Everyone thought Marino would get back to several SBs. Never did. You need MORE than talent to get back there
He'll be lucky to get back to another SB?
He was a defensive holding away from getting to the super bowl in his first year starting. Won it in his 2nd year starting.
Maybe he wont get back to another, but it's certainly not going to take luck for him to get to another one.
& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
He’ll be lucky to get back to another SB. I like Reid, but he’s no Belichick. Everyone thought Marino would get back to several SBs. Never did. You need MORE than talent to get back there
He'll be lucky to get back to another SB?
He was a defensive holding away from getting to the super bowl in his first year starting. Won it in his 2nd year starting.
Maybe he wont get back to another, but it's certainly not going to take luck for him to get to another one.
Fortunate, if not lucky. There are many teams through the years that were thisclose to getting back to a SB. Brees never got back. Rodgers never got back. Bad calls, miscues are part of the game, that’s why it’s so difficult to return..No guarantee great QBs ever return.
He might get back. He certainly has the talent to do a lot of carrying on his back. STILL, so much can go wrong, even if he’s not at fault.
The Statement was made that he’ll have several SBs and MVPs in the coming years. I simply opined that there’s no certainty of that. Lots can happen to derail.
Ian Rapoport
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The #Chiefs and QB Patrick Mahomes have agreed to terms on a 10-year extension worth $503 million, sources tell me and
@TomPelissero
. He gets $477M in guarantee mechanisms and gives the ability for Mahomes to have outs if the guarantee mechanisms aren’t exercised. No trade clause
only if you want to cut the player. Who thinks Mahones gets cut> STFU about guaranteed money. Can anyone tell me how much guaranteed money Eli got under his deals with the Giants? No one because it never mattered. Nahomes is on an entirely different level, absent injury (which if I understand the articles gets him $140 Million) he's going to get every penny of that money. More likely he renegotiates a better contract after 5 years, than he gets cut.
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Chiefs and QB Patrick Mahomes have agreed to terms on a 10-year extension worth $503 million, sources tell me and
@TomPelissero
. He gets $477M in guarantee mechanisms and gives the ability for Mahomes to have outs if the guarantee mechanisms aren’t exercised. No trade clause
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Is there a difference between injury guar and just plain guar?
But for a QB who is only 23 or 24 has won a SB and an MVP award this early in their career and is healthy; it's well deserved. As long as this deal isn't tied to the cap, which it isn't, it's fine. And as someone above said, the next time a franchise QB's contract comes up, Mahomes will no longer be the highest paid QB, which is crazy to think considering the money in this deal, but this is where it's headed.
only if you want to cut the player. Who thinks Mahones gets cut> STFU about guaranteed money. Can anyone tell me how much guaranteed money Eli got under his deals with the Giants? No one because it never mattered. Nahomes is on an entirely different level, absent injury (which if I understand the articles gets him $140 Million) he's going to get every penny of that money. More likely he renegotiates a better contract after 5 years, than he gets cut.
No. It's relevant to the risk the team is taking on a ten year contract/bet. If he blows out both his knees 140 guarantee is a lot better than 275. Most teams don't like to lose 100 mill on a losing bet.
So how does Mahomes contract effect Dak’s negotiations
Only 9 days to go before he plays on the tag. It has been really quiet down here in Dallas with regards to his contract negotiations. Does he get his 4 year deal at $34M annually.
Good for Mahomes who if he stays healthy will probably win multiple MVP’s and SB’s
it has never happened where a player taking up more than like 12% of the cap ever won a super bowl. I'm sure it'll happen at some point but look at Aaron Rodgers. He should have more than 1 SB. The odds are just stacked against them in general without the salary cap. But when you add that in it is near impossible.
I had that convo with my cousin a few months back: between Favre & Rodgers, doesn't it feel like the Packers should have more than 2 titles since '91? I get winning titles is obviously hard & it's a team sport, but those guys are all time great QBs.
& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
He’ll be lucky to get back to another SB. I like Reid, but he’s no Belichick. Everyone thought Marino would get back to several SBs. Never did. You need MORE than talent to get back there
He'll be lucky to get back to another SB?
He was a defensive holding away from getting to the super bowl in his first year starting. Won it in his 2nd year starting.
Maybe he wont get back to another, but it's certainly not going to take luck for him to get to another one.
He was also a missed defensive hold from being in an unlikely position to mount a comeback.
And with this humongous contract? My god, nobody could have predicted $500MM with a serious face.
But I'd put $ on Mahomes getting back to another Super Bowl before it's all said & done. Maybe my 'They're the next Pats' comment was a little hyperbole because NE's run of excellence will be nearly impossible to repeat, but KC isn't going anywhere anytime soon. If there's a season, they're the clear favorites in the AFC, with Baltimore being a notch below.
Well look at what he did with a 1-10 football team on top of a good resume in limited action with KC.
You either bet on him being a franchise guy or not, and with the cap space the team had it was easy to front load the squad.
The contract was up, so either a big extension had to be made or you go franchise tag. There wasn't luxury of another season, and I'm 99.99% sure they wouldn't have extended him any earlier than they had to if they had an extra season.
As far as what he's done so far, I think it speaks for itself. Winning percentage best of all starters since 2017. He's won with scrubs and won with elite players, with no knowledge of playbook, with very good knowledge.
Now his APY is barely top 10 going forward and the cap will increase in coming years. His next contract will correlate to how good he is at that point.
So yeah, tons to criticize. Far far riskier than paying Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, or a bunch of other guys who will be lucky to play in a SB.
Weird, I made no mention of either Cousins or Prescott I was talking about Mahomes. I laughed at the contract the Vikings gave Cousins and I hope the Cowboys give Prescott 35+ million per season.
You’ve proven your bias by applauding Garoppolo’s contract while laughing at Mahomes who is only 24 and has just won his first Super Bowl. He has been the best QB in the NFL over the past two years.
It's a great system with great talent, fast receivers who can get open.
Just like Seattle, it's a team built on the continuous home run threat that will keep attacking until something cracks.
Both offenses are less effective as standard move the ball types. 2011 Saints type offense was ridiculous because every inch of the field was under constant duress.
But now you've seen the Seahawks without Lynch, and soon we'll see Mahomes without the best offensive supporting cast in the league.
Meanwhile we've seen Garoppolo in the Super Bowl making far more than either of them did in their respective Super Bowl appearances. Wilson since getting paid has been an exciting regular season QB, and a nail biter for the wildcard/divisional rounds since 2015. Hasn't even had a 13 win season either.
I guess Kyle Shanahan must be the GOAT for taking a 2-14 team to the Bowl in 3 years with a shit QB.
"...with $477 million in guarantee mechanisms which gives Mahomes the ability to have outs if the mechanisms are not exercised, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport and NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported."
Jerrah will cave in now. Dak and his agent played this right. Even if he plays on the tag this year and gets tagged next year... his 2021 salary will be over $37M.
Jerry should have signed Dak last year. It just got a lot more expensive.
It's a great system with great talent, fast receivers who can get open.
Just like Seattle, it's a team built on the continuous home run threat that will keep attacking until something cracks.
Both offenses are less effective as standard move the ball types. 2011 Saints type offense was ridiculous because every inch of the field was under constant duress.
But now you've seen the Seahawks without Lynch, and soon we'll see Mahomes without the best offensive supporting cast in the league.
Meanwhile we've seen Garoppolo in the Super Bowl making far more than either of them did in their respective Super Bowl appearances. Wilson since getting paid has been an exciting regular season QB, and a nail biter for the wildcard/divisional rounds since 2015. Hasn't even had a 13 win season either.
I guess Kyle Shanahan must be the GOAT for taking a 2-14 team to the Bowl in 3 years with a shit QB.
Are you calling Mahomes and Russell Wilson system QB’s?
I still need to look at the finer details but if the salary cap increases aren’t on par with what they’ve been as of late then this could be a bad contract sooner than I thought. There has to be security somewhere for the Chiefs, maybe I missed it in the thread, but at face value these numbers seem astronomical.
Jimmy G is an average QB and the 49ers took a big gamble on him and while it’s worked out he’s also come up small in big spots a lot so I wouldn’t beat down the door calling that a blueprint of success. It’s an anomaly more than anything and if there’s a blip to that run game or defense Jimmy G is going to have a hard time carrying them.
Mahomes can carry the chiefs. Wilson has been carrying the Seahawks. Jimmy G isn’t in the same game changing stratosphere as them.
RE: It looks like Chiefs have a good 3 year window
2. In 2021: $22.8 million (base salary of $990,000, roster bonus of $21.7 million, and workout bonus of $100,000 in 2021).
3. In 2022: $29.45 million (base salary of $1.5 million, roster bonus of $27.4 million, and workout bonus of $550,000 in 2022).
4. In 2023: $40.45 million (base salary of $5.5 million, roster bonus of $34.4 million, and workout bonus of $550,000 in 2023).
5. In 2024: $37.95 million (base salary of $2.5 million, roster bonus of $34.9 million, and workout bonus of $550,000 in 2024).
But, again, I'm sure there is more to it than this. The preliminary Patrick Mahomes contract details - ( New Window )
They don't really have a window to get out of this as his roster bonuses have to be guaranteed the year before or he must be cut. So they'd have to take a large cap hit to let him go.
Spotrac doesn't have the dead money right since the bonuses haven't vested yet, but if you check the notes you'll see that if they decide to cut him in the first half of this contract they'd have to take a 40+ million dead cap hit.
Jerrah will cave in now. Dak and his agent played this right. Even if he plays on the tag this year and gets tagged next year... his 2021 salary will be over $37M.
Jerry should have signed Dak last year. It just got a lot more expensive.
In the scenario where Prescott is tagged twice, it's advantage Dallas
Dallas gets to see Prescott two years under McCarthy. If Dallas doesn't win in those two years, the team can move on from Prescott.
It will cost them 68 million over two years instead of over 100 million to give Prescott a long term deal and have to deal with dead money in the future if Prescott is released.
The only way Dallas gets screwed is if they win. But is that really getting screwed? I think we would all sign up for that.
Yep I can’t wait to see this...
I don't have an opinion one way or the other, would like to see these numbers.
Probably. I wonder how many MVPs and championships he wins?
I don't have an opinion one way or the other, would like to see these numbers.
You mean, wait out his Rookie deal, trade him for a couple of firsts and reload?
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I don't have an opinion one way or the other, would like to see these numbers.
You mean, wait out his Rookie deal, trade him for a couple of firsts and reload?
If I recall correctly, it was just let him walk into Free Agency, but yeah, trading him for assets might have been an option too.
Damn
I was thinking closer to $400MM
His future is bright. But let's learn from Andrew Luck and know that nothing is certain.
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Damn, a $300M+ Contract. Never thought I would see the day where a football contract could rival some of these baseball deals.
I was thinking closer to $400MM
Could very well be, a 10 year extension for him now means he will only be 35 when the contract is up. Seeing how the league is protecting QB's these days, you can very well see him still playing at a very high level well into his 30's.
Who knows what the numbers will be, but at the same time, you have to think Mahomes is OK with the security of a long term deal. He wants to win Super Bowls, so unsure he would want to put the Chiefs into a cap crippling type deal.
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Damn, a $300M+ Contract. Never thought I would see the day where a football contract could rival some of these baseball deals.
I was thinking closer to $400MM
Yeah. 30 per year for Mahomes? No effin way.
Exactly.
Of course but for the top QBs it’s a given the guarantees are high. That disclaimer is for the JAGs. But the 10 year deal is pretty unprecedented and he’s giving up his right to get another contract so he’s still going to be paid handsomely.
He's a Safety. Jobber position compared to a QB.
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Damn, a $300M+ Contract. Never thought I would see the day where a football contract could rival some of these baseball deals.
I was thinking closer to $400MM
Yeah. 30 per year for Mahomes? No effin way.
You’re insane. There are multiples QBs worse than him making over $30M a year
My bad! Apologies. Yeah with inflation should be closer to $40M a year. But as always it’s the structure and guarantees that matter more than the annual value.
Looking at the top 10 that year multiple teams are kicking themselves.
So, what makes sense for both? Has a player option ever been done in the NFL? Maybe this is a 5 year deal with a 5 year player option on top of it? It would have to protect KC against injury somehow if it were a player option. Does KC have room to front load the contract with roster bonuses as guaranteed money? Base salary guarantees make sense too. Signing bonus? It can't be crazy because that'll handcuff KC with that contract. It'll be interesting to see how it is structured.
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Patrick Mahones 10 year extension, first reported by ESPN, will be guided by a mechanism that ensures the QBs annual salary never drops below certain cap thresholds, I'm told. Will always be above a certain % of the cap
I suspect this pushes Dak $$$$ up
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There are no official numbers on Patrick Mahomes' 10-year extension just yet, but multiple sources believe it ultimately will be tied to a percentage of the salary cap for each season. The higher the cap goes, the more Mahomes will make.
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The interesting part is, the Chiefs have been adamant that they would not tie a new Patrick Mahomes' deal to percentage of the cap. So this is going to be interesting to see the deal's final structure.
Much rather watch a fun team like them be a dynasty than the Pats who are like the Spurs of the NFL.
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Patrick Mahomes' 10-year extension is worth $400M+, per
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With the future uncertain, AND with Mahomes still having two remaining years on his current deal... Why now?
As others said he is in a great place. Andy will protect him and give him weapons. The defense......we'll see.
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OK what are the guarantees though
With the future uncertain, AND with Mahomes still having two remaining years on his current deal... Why now?
Because he earned it, and he’s the best at the position. I think a lot of fans get hung up on team makeup and don’t put enough stock in off the field value of which Mahomes value is also apparent but harder to quantify.
If we are just talking football it’s probably a deal that bites them eventually but they are going to get a ton of value out of it on and off the field.
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doing this right now.
With the future uncertain, AND with Mahomes still having two remaining years on his current deal... Why now?
Because he earned it, and he’s the best at the position. I think a lot of fans get hung up on team makeup and don’t put enough stock in off the field value of which Mahomes value is also apparent but harder to quantify.
If we are just talking football it’s probably a deal that bites them eventually but they are going to get a ton of value out of it on and off the field.
It's not the parameters of the deal that I'm taking the issue with, it's the timing of it. I mean, there's a good chance there isn't an NFL season this year.
Why not shelve this deal, since Mahomes isn't a Free Agent or anything after this season (whether there is one or not) until next offseason when you know if there will be a consistent season or not?
Great player, but I'll bet the under on this. We won't see a "next Patriots" again in our lifetimes.
Details should be very interesting.
Not sure any QB in the NFL could be worth a ten year extension.
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& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
Great player, but I'll bet the under on this. We won't see a "next Patriots" again in our lifetimes.
Yep Reid is still the coach lol
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Details should be very interesting.
Not sure any QB in the NFL could be worth a ten year extension.
Why? He's only 24 and the best QB in football. The 49ers gave Jimmy Garoppolo a 5 year 137.5 million dollar contract after just 7 career starts. I don't recall you criticizing that deal.
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Details should be very interesting.
Not sure any QB in the NFL could be worth a ten year extension.
Why are you here again? Nobody cares about your 49ers loveblind hot takes other than to mock them.
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& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
Much rather watch a fun team like them be a dynasty than the Pats who are like the Spurs of the NFL.
KC is a very good team because of how they're constructed, more so than Mahomes is the greatest QB to ever play the game.
They've done a good job building a roster to have as many fast guys as possible to challenge defenses with a very unique talent in Tyreek Hill to boot.
Now with the cap space getting eaten up it will be interesting to see how the Chiefs adapt.
They trailed significantly in 3 postseason games, all wins perhaps, but still.
He’ll be lucky to get back to another SB. I like Reid, but he’s no Belichick. Everyone thought Marino would get back to several SBs. Never did. You need MORE than talent to get back there
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if the APY and guaranteed money is greater than or equal to what you'd expect from two 5 year contracts.
Details should be very interesting.
Not sure any QB in the NFL could be worth a ten year extension.
Why are you here again? Nobody cares about your 49ers loveblind hot takes other than to mock them.
Who said anything about the Niners?
And fuck off if you can't come with it.
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if the APY and guaranteed money is greater than or equal to what you'd expect from two 5 year contracts.
Details should be very interesting.
Not sure any QB in the NFL could be worth a ten year extension.
Why? He's only 24 and the best QB in football. The 49ers gave Jimmy Garoppolo a 5 year 137.5 million dollar contract after just 7 career starts. I don't recall you criticizing that deal.
Well look at what he did with a 1-10 football team on top of a good resume in limited action with KC.
You either bet on him being a franchise guy or not, and with the cap space the team had it was easy to front load the squad.
The contract was up, so either a big extension had to be made or you go franchise tag. There wasn't luxury of another season, and I'm 99.99% sure they wouldn't have extended him any earlier than they had to if they had an extra season.
As far as what he's done so far, I think it speaks for itself. Winning percentage best of all starters since 2017. He's won with scrubs and won with elite players, with no knowledge of playbook, with very good knowledge.
Now his APY is barely top 10 going forward and the cap will increase in coming years. His next contract will correlate to how good he is at that point.
So yeah, tons to criticize. Far far riskier than paying Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, or a bunch of other guys who will be lucky to play in a SB.
Well look at what he did with a 1-10 football team on top of a good resume in limited action with KC.
You either bet on him being a franchise guy or not, and with the cap space the team had it was easy to front load the squad.
The contract was up, so either a big extension had to be made or you go franchise tag. There wasn't luxury of another season, and I'm 99.99% sure they wouldn't have extended him any earlier than they had to if they had an extra season.
As far as what he's done so far, I think it speaks for itself. Winning percentage best of all starters since 2017. He's won with scrubs and won with elite players, with no knowledge of playbook, with very good knowledge.
Now his APY is barely top 10 going forward and the cap will increase in coming years. His next contract will correlate to how good he is at that point.
So yeah, tons to criticize. Far far riskier than paying Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, or a bunch of other guys who will be lucky to play in a SB.
Weird, I made no mention of either Cousins or Prescott I was talking about Mahomes. I laughed at the contract the Vikings gave Cousins and I hope the Cowboys give Prescott 35+ million per season.
You’ve proven your bias by applauding Garoppolo’s contract while laughing at Mahomes who is only 24 and has just won his first Super Bowl. He has been the best QB in the NFL over the past two years.
I need to see the parameters but this is probably a good deal for both sides.
There were rumors that it was directly tied to the cap. Is that not true?
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$450 million, $470 million including the last 2 years of his current deal. Dude got paid and once the cap starts rising this will end up being ok for KC
There were rumors that it was directly tied to the cap. Is that not true?
Apparently those rumors were false
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$450 million, $470 million including the last 2 years of his current deal. Dude got paid and once the cap starts rising this will end up being ok for KC
There were rumors that it was directly tied to the cap. Is that not true?
It’s not tied to the cap, Schefter tweeted an update with those numbers.
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& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
He’ll be lucky to get back to another SB. I like Reid, but he’s no Belichick. Everyone thought Marino would get back to several SBs. Never did. You need MORE than talent to get back there
He'll be lucky to get back to another SB?
He was a defensive holding away from getting to the super bowl in his first year starting. Won it in his 2nd year starting.
Maybe he wont get back to another, but it's certainly not going to take luck for him to get to another one.
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& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
He’ll be lucky to get back to another SB. I like Reid, but he’s no Belichick. Everyone thought Marino would get back to several SBs. Never did. You need MORE than talent to get back there
He'll be lucky to get back to another SB?
He was a defensive holding away from getting to the super bowl in his first year starting. Won it in his 2nd year starting.
Maybe he wont get back to another, but it's certainly not going to take luck for him to get to another one.
Fortunate, if not lucky. There are many teams through the years that were thisclose to getting back to a SB. Brees never got back. Rodgers never got back. Bad calls, miscues are part of the game, that’s why it’s so difficult to return..No guarantee great QBs ever return.
He might get back. He certainly has the talent to do a lot of carrying on his back. STILL, so much can go wrong, even if he’s not at fault.
The Statement was made that he’ll have several SBs and MVPs in the coming years. I simply opined that there’s no certainty of that. Lots can happen to derail.
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The #Chiefs and QB Patrick Mahomes have agreed to terms on a 10-year extension worth $503 million, sources tell me and
@TomPelissero
. He gets $477M in guarantee mechanisms and gives the ability for Mahomes to have outs if the guarantee mechanisms aren’t exercised. No trade clause
@RapSheet
The #Chiefs and QB Patrick Mahomes have agreed to terms on a 10-year extension worth $503 million, sources tell me and
@TomPelissero
. He gets $477M in guarantee mechanisms and gives the ability for Mahomes to have outs if the guarantee mechanisms aren’t exercised. No trade clause
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Compensation update: Patrick Mahomes’ 10-year extension is worth $450 million, sources tell ESPN.
The injury guarantee is $140 million, per source.
The contract does not contain language that ties its value to a percentage of the salary cap.
Richest deal in sports’ history.
No. It's relevant to the risk the team is taking on a ten year contract/bet. If he blows out both his knees 140 guarantee is a lot better than 275. Most teams don't like to lose 100 mill on a losing bet.
Good for Mahomes who if he stays healthy will probably win multiple MVP’s and SB’s
DB Cooper,1971
Lufthansa Heist,1978
and now
Patrick Mahomes,2020
Hard to believe anyone playing this current version of football is worth that much.
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& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
He’ll be lucky to get back to another SB. I like Reid, but he’s no Belichick. Everyone thought Marino would get back to several SBs. Never did. You need MORE than talent to get back there
He'll be lucky to get back to another SB?
He was a defensive holding away from getting to the super bowl in his first year starting. Won it in his 2nd year starting.
Maybe he wont get back to another, but it's certainly not going to take luck for him to get to another one.
He was also a missed defensive hold from being in an unlikely position to mount a comeback.
And with this humongous contract? My god, nobody could have predicted $500MM with a serious face.
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Well look at what he did with a 1-10 football team on top of a good resume in limited action with KC.
You either bet on him being a franchise guy or not, and with the cap space the team had it was easy to front load the squad.
The contract was up, so either a big extension had to be made or you go franchise tag. There wasn't luxury of another season, and I'm 99.99% sure they wouldn't have extended him any earlier than they had to if they had an extra season.
As far as what he's done so far, I think it speaks for itself. Winning percentage best of all starters since 2017. He's won with scrubs and won with elite players, with no knowledge of playbook, with very good knowledge.
Now his APY is barely top 10 going forward and the cap will increase in coming years. His next contract will correlate to how good he is at that point.
So yeah, tons to criticize. Far far riskier than paying Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, or a bunch of other guys who will be lucky to play in a SB.
Weird, I made no mention of either Cousins or Prescott I was talking about Mahomes. I laughed at the contract the Vikings gave Cousins and I hope the Cowboys give Prescott 35+ million per season.
You’ve proven your bias by applauding Garoppolo’s contract while laughing at Mahomes who is only 24 and has just won his first Super Bowl. He has been the best QB in the NFL over the past two years.
It's a great system with great talent, fast receivers who can get open.
Just like Seattle, it's a team built on the continuous home run threat that will keep attacking until something cracks.
Both offenses are less effective as standard move the ball types. 2011 Saints type offense was ridiculous because every inch of the field was under constant duress.
But now you've seen the Seahawks without Lynch, and soon we'll see Mahomes without the best offensive supporting cast in the league.
Meanwhile we've seen Garoppolo in the Super Bowl making far more than either of them did in their respective Super Bowl appearances. Wilson since getting paid has been an exciting regular season QB, and a nail biter for the wildcard/divisional rounds since 2015. Hasn't even had a 13 win season either.
I guess Kyle Shanahan must be the GOAT for taking a 2-14 team to the Bowl in 3 years with a shit QB.
DB Cooper,1971
Lufthansa Heist,1978
and now
Patrick Mahomes,2020
Hard to believe anyone playing this current version of football is worth that much.
No one except Pat Mahomes...
Yep he’s worth double that too.
"...with $477 million in guarantee mechanisms which gives Mahomes the ability to have outs if the mechanisms are not exercised, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport and NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported."
Not too shabby.
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yeah i'm jealous too
next Patriots? NOT
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& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
Probably. I wonder how many MVPs and championships he wins?
more than 1 more is a long shot.
However, when is the last time a team with the highest paid QB in the NFL won the the Super Bowl?
Brady was never that. A lot of QBs got paid after winning the SB and never got back.
I love Mahomes, so if anyone can get it done with limited team resources, he can. But, I wouldn't bet any money on it.
1. In 2020: $10.825 million.
2. In 2021: $22.8 million (base salary of $990,000, roster bonus of $21.7 million, and workout bonus of $100,000 in 2021).
3. In 2022: $29.45 million (base salary of $1.5 million, roster bonus of $27.4 million, and workout bonus of $550,000 in 2022).
4. In 2023: $40.45 million (base salary of $5.5 million, roster bonus of $34.4 million, and workout bonus of $550,000 in 2023).
5. In 2024: $37.95 million (base salary of $2.5 million, roster bonus of $34.9 million, and workout bonus of $550,000 in 2024).
But, again, I'm sure there is more to it than this.
The preliminary Patrick Mahomes contract details - ( New Window )
Jerry should have signed Dak last year. It just got a lot more expensive.
It's a great system with great talent, fast receivers who can get open.
Just like Seattle, it's a team built on the continuous home run threat that will keep attacking until something cracks.
Both offenses are less effective as standard move the ball types. 2011 Saints type offense was ridiculous because every inch of the field was under constant duress.
But now you've seen the Seahawks without Lynch, and soon we'll see Mahomes without the best offensive supporting cast in the league.
Meanwhile we've seen Garoppolo in the Super Bowl making far more than either of them did in their respective Super Bowl appearances. Wilson since getting paid has been an exciting regular season QB, and a nail biter for the wildcard/divisional rounds since 2015. Hasn't even had a 13 win season either.
I guess Kyle Shanahan must be the GOAT for taking a 2-14 team to the Bowl in 3 years with a shit QB.
Are you calling Mahomes and Russell Wilson system QB’s?
Mahomes can carry the chiefs. Wilson has been carrying the Seahawks. Jimmy G isn’t in the same game changing stratosphere as them.
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1. In 2020: $10.825 million.
2. In 2021: $22.8 million (base salary of $990,000, roster bonus of $21.7 million, and workout bonus of $100,000 in 2021).
3. In 2022: $29.45 million (base salary of $1.5 million, roster bonus of $27.4 million, and workout bonus of $550,000 in 2022).
4. In 2023: $40.45 million (base salary of $5.5 million, roster bonus of $34.4 million, and workout bonus of $550,000 in 2023).
5. In 2024: $37.95 million (base salary of $2.5 million, roster bonus of $34.9 million, and workout bonus of $550,000 in 2024).
But, again, I'm sure there is more to it than this. The preliminary Patrick Mahomes contract details - ( New Window )
They don't really have a window to get out of this as his roster bonuses have to be guaranteed the year before or he must be cut. So they'd have to take a large cap hit to let him go.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/patrick-mahomes-21751/
Spotrac doesn't have the dead money right since the bonuses haven't vested yet, but if you check the notes you'll see that if they decide to cut him in the first half of this contract they'd have to take a 40+ million dead cap hit.
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& Super Bowls. They're the next Patriots. People will hate them in a year or two.
Probably. I wonder how many MVPs and championships he wins?
more than 1 more is a long shot.
I don't think so.
Jerry should have signed Dak last year. It just got a lot more expensive.
In the scenario where Prescott is tagged twice, it's advantage Dallas
Dallas gets to see Prescott two years under McCarthy. If Dallas doesn't win in those two years, the team can move on from Prescott.
It will cost them 68 million over two years instead of over 100 million to give Prescott a long term deal and have to deal with dead money in the future if Prescott is released.
The only way Dallas gets screwed is if they win. But is that really getting screwed? I think we would all sign up for that.
I don't see a down side for the team.