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nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 12:51 pm
Why does it feel like Jason Kidd is going to be the new coach? and i have no idea how to feel about it.
Jason Kidd?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/7/2020 12:53 pm : link
Hell no.
I think Kidd has the basketball brain  
Enzo : 7/7/2020 1:00 pm : link
to eventually become a good coach. But he's not there yet, IMO, and he's not exactly what I'd call a high character individual. I think we can do better.
Because it’s the Knicks  
BigBlueShock : 7/7/2020 1:01 pm : link
They will gamble on Kidd’s relationship with Giannis to lure the star. They will strikeout on that per usual and they will fire Kidd and start all over again.

Wash, rinse, repeat...
Kidd would be a nightmare.  
Jon in NYC : 7/7/2020 1:11 pm : link
He's not a good coach
yeah you cant help...  
Italianju : 7/7/2020 1:16 pm : link
but assume if kidd gets the job it has to do with Giannis. Which would be the same song and dance.
WWW  
DanMetroMan : 7/7/2020 1:17 pm : link
apparently is a massive Kidd backer so we can assume Kidd has a legit chance at landing the job.
It sucks  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 1:22 pm : link
because the front office hires have been so good, Kidd definitely feels like hey look we have a well liked coach
Mark Jackson minus the religious fervor  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2020 1:32 pm : link
equals Jason Kidd. BigBlueShock is right - he'd be here to land AD and/or Giannis. He won't, and will probably quit before he gets fired. Milwaukee and Brooklyn improved the minute Kidd left.
FWIW  
tbonfig : 7/7/2020 1:53 pm : link
I happened to play golf with John Starks on Sunday who said he likes both Atkinson and Kidd as head coaches (and a big no to Thibs).
Kidd  
TyreeHelmet : 7/7/2020 2:12 pm : link
Is an all time great player and definitely a smart b-ball mind, but he just feels like such a snake.
Our young scout, Alex Kline, is getting quite a bit of press.  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2020 2:33 pm : link
Chalk some of that up to his New Jersey roots, but it's still nice to have a smart, connected young guy around - hopefully they'll groom him to take over for Scott Perry.
I guess I’m alone but  
Svengali : 7/7/2020 2:41 pm : link
I think Kidd will be a good coach sooner rather then later. I wouldn’t mind the hire.
I know I have expresses my feelings before  
robbieballs2003 : 7/7/2020 2:44 pm : link
and have discussed them with posters like nygiants16 but this all feels like more of the same. The more things change the more they stay the same. Now, nothing is done yet so there is nothing to be upset with as of yet. All I am saying is this feels just like many times before. I hope it isn't.
RE: FWIW  
Earl the goat : 7/7/2020 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14929885 tbonfig said:
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I happened to play golf with John Starks on Sunday who said he likes both Atkinson and Kidd as head coaches (and a big no to Thibs).


I’ve played with Starks in Colts Neck. Not in a few years. Glad he’s a big fan of Atkinson.
RE: I know I have expresses my feelings before  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2020 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14929915 robbieballs2003 said:
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and have discussed them with posters like nygiants16 but this all feels like more of the same. The more things change the more they stay the same. Now, nothing is done yet so there is nothing to be upset with as of yet. All I am saying is this feels just like many times before. I hope it isn't.

I share those concerns, but as you mentioned - too early to tell if we're indeed going down the same road. I'm excited by the front office hires - a shake-up was long overdue.
Major  
DanMetroMan : 7/7/2020 2:57 pm : link
helium for Avdija. I want a PG but he's 3rd on my board and would be very happy with him.
RE: Our young scout, Alex Kline, is getting quite a bit of press.  
Enzo : 7/7/2020 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14929906 bceagle05 said:
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Chalk some of that up to his New Jersey roots, but it's still nice to have a smart, connected young guy around - hopefully they'll groom him to take over for Scott Perry.

we've had talented young people in different parts of the organization going back years. But there's only so much you can do when you have idiots like Phil, Mills, etc. making the big decisions.

IMO, Rose is still a huge unknown until proven otherwise.
RE: RE: FWIW  
tbonfig : 7/7/2020 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14929919 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 14929885 tbonfig said:


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I happened to play golf with John Starks on Sunday who said he likes both Atkinson and Kidd as head coaches (and a big no to Thibs).



I’ve played with Starks in Colts Neck. Not in a few years. Glad he’s a big fan of Atkinson.


Ha - yeah we played up in CT. I had a few guys drop out and he was waiting around to get in a tee time. He was really good and I"m on the opposite side of the golf spectrum.

He also accused me of lying about my first hole score lol. It was quite the experience.
I think the biggest problem with kidd  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 3:02 pm : link
it is not necassarily whether he would be a good coach or not, it would be the perception he was only hired to recruit giannis
The Giannis stuff is enough to drive ya crazy.  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2020 3:10 pm : link
If you want Giannis, you better get another star here before the summer of 2021. If Rose and Wesley are such power brokers, go pry AD away from Lebron - then you'll have everyone's attention. Wes has the Kentucky connections, Calipari can probably sell ice to an eskimo with his gift of gab - so the three of them can go out to LA in October and convince him. Otherwise, enough with the pipe dreams.
RE: The Giannis stuff is enough to drive ya crazy.  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14929947 bceagle05 said:
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If you want Giannis, you better get another star here before the summer of 2021. If Rose and Wesley are such power brokers, go pry AD away from Lebron - then you'll have everyone's attention. Wes has the Kentucky connections, Calipari can probably sell ice to an eskimo with his gift of gab - so the three of them can go out to LA in October and convince him. Otherwise, enough with the pipe dreams.


yup if this your plan, go get a superstar to help you recruit, otherwise you got no shot, i dont care eho you got as coach
No one seems to be taking Mike Miller seriously. He did a very good  
Ira : 7/7/2020 3:30 pm : link
job for the team after he took over.
Plan should be  
ghost718 : 7/7/2020 3:33 pm : link
to build through the draft

Not rely on rumors,gossip,backtalk from salesman.Which may be backed by questionable motives.

As they may find out in the near future.

Building through the draft is a myth  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 3:39 pm : link
no one just tanks and builds a contender...

It has to be both..
Usually it starts with the draft  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2020 3:47 pm : link
and once you find a franchise player you start dealing off the other young pieces and assets for veterans. Heat landed Wade and traded Lamar Odom and Caron Butler (I think) for Shaq. Celtics had Pierce and traded young players and draft picks for KG/Allen. Knicks don't have the franchise player yet - and I don't think KP was that guy either, despite the horrendous trade. Donovan Mitchell was probably the one that got away - if we land a guy like him it opens the door for another free agent and allows you to deal off all the surplus draft picks for the best player you can get.
Unfortunately for us, we traded all the assets  
bceagle05 : 7/7/2020 3:48 pm : link
for Melo and may have to do something similar in the near future for another star, leaving us with an empty cupboard. Let's face it, it's incredibly difficult to build a championship team in the NBA, even for the smart franchises.
RE: No one seems to be taking Mike Miller seriously. He did a very good  
Enzo : 7/7/2020 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14929964 Ira said:
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job for the team after he took over.

better than Fizdale does not = "very good". He was ok.
RE: Building through the draft is a myth  
Sean : 7/7/2020 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14929970 nygiants16 said:
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no one just tanks and builds a contender...

It has to be both..


100% - just ask the Sacramento Kings
Miller was good at steering a sinking ship  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 5:39 pm : link
he was good at speaking with the media, but i dont think he is a future head coach, ill take him as lead assistant
RE: Building through the draft is a myth  
ghost718 : 7/7/2020 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14929970 nygiants16 said:
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no one just tanks and builds a contender...

It has to be both..


What has Philly done? You will probably say they haven't won anything, and Embiid is future Knick if we can find a smooth talkin Cameroonian Native for the front office.

But the truth is,if they had hit on Fultz,they would beat us by 35 instead of 20.And would be a serious threat to win it all.

A team I would point to as proof of that is Oklahoma City.Who drafted Harden,Westbrick,and Durant.

There are numerous other examples.
RE: RE: Building through the draft is a myth  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 6:22 pm : link
In comment 14930019 ghost718 said:
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In comment 14929970 nygiants16 said:


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no one just tanks and builds a contender...

It has to be both..



What has Philly done? You will probably say they haven't won anything, and Embiid is future Knick if we can find a smooth talkin Cameroonian Native for the front office.

But the truth is,if they had hit on Fultz,they would beat us by 35 instead of 20.And would be a serious threat to win it all.

A team I would point to as proof of that is Oklahoma City.Who drafted Harden,Westbrick,and Durant.

There are numerous other examples.


Philly is the 6th seed and capped out...

OKC got to a final and then had to trade off Harden, OKC got extremely lucky..

So many examples, name them? i bet you wont find 1 team that was built solely on tanking
After last summer...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/7/2020 6:29 pm : link
I believe a star is coming here when he's holding a Knicks jersey at a presser.
RE: After last summer...  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14930024 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I believe a star is coming here when he's holding a Knicks jersey at a presser.


they need the 1st guy whether it is trade or draft pick
I've said this before  
robbieballs2003 : 7/7/2020 7:44 pm : link
it is ownership/management. They need to change their perception around the league and the current hirings isn't anywhere near enough. I can also argue that we'd be better off keeping the cap space and doing what Miami did when they got the big three because that FA class in a couple of years is, on paper, insane. Players want to choose who they play with. With all of that said, none of it matters if we don't get our house in order. I'm also nor saying we shouldn't try landing a big fish first either as that could go a long way towards changing that perception. But that perception needs to change no matter what direction they choose to go in.
If kidd is the guy  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 8:08 pm : link
will he be allowed to still be an assistant during playoffs?
RE: I've said this before  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14930078 robbieballs2003 said:
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it is ownership/management. They need to change their perception around the league and the current hirings isn't anywhere near enough. I can also argue that we'd be better off keeping the cap space and doing what Miami did when they got the big three because that FA class in a couple of years is, on paper, insane. Players want to choose who they play with. With all of that said, none of it matters if we don't get our house in order. I'm also nor saying we shouldn't try landing a big fish first either as that could go a long way towards changing that perception. But that perception needs to change no matter what direction they choose to go in.


This world wide wes's job, kind of surprised he was officially hired...he is a behind the scenes guy,..

They need to be better, dolan is not going anywhere, have to improve the product on the court...only way to change perception
robbie.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/7/2020 8:14 pm : link
Spot on. As I've said ad nauseum, the fish rots from the head. Dolan continues to be such an impediment to this franchise having success. In a perfect world, he'd sell.
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/7/2020 8:16 pm : link
WWW needs to tell Dolan to sign the checks & STFU. Don't do interviews. Don't call ex Knicks who ? him alcoholics. Go on a Never Ending Tour ala Dylan with JD & The Straight Shot.
RE: nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14930102 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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WWW needs to tell Dolan to sign the checks & STFU. Don't do interviews. Don't call ex Knicks who ? him alcoholics. Go on a Never Ending Tour ala Dylan with JD & The Straight Shot.


Dolan needs to never speak again..

It is part of the reason i wojld be semi ok with Kidd, you need your head coach to talk to the mrdia, answer tough questions..

thr assistants need to be your developers..
I think if Knicks had a young point  
nygiants16 : 7/7/2020 10:11 pm : link
or a vet point who was going to be here for a few years, i would draft deni advija ahead of everyone..
Well, Porzingis would have been a good piece, but...  
yatqb : 7/8/2020 9:10 am : link
what a fucked up franchise. Where’s Eddy Curry?
RE: Well, Porzingis would have been a good piece, but...  
nygiants16 : 7/8/2020 9:21 am : link
In comment 14930218 yatqb said:
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what a fucked up franchise. Where’s Eddy Curry?


Hindsight a good front office and well run team does not trade him...

Mills and Perry were convinced they were getting durant and screwed the pooch
RE: If kidd is the guy  
DanMetroMan : 7/8/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 14930095 nygiants16 said:
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will he be allowed to still be an assistant during playoffs?


Yes.
The Porzingis trade  
GGGGmen : 7/8/2020 11:19 am : link
alone should have been enough to get Perry fired. They got NOTHING in return for a budding star.

Still can't get over that bullshit trade.
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall  
bceagle05 : 7/8/2020 12:23 pm : link
when Mills/Perry sold Dolan on last summer's free agent haul being a solid Plan B - and the guy bought it...until the games started.
RE: I'd love to have been a fly on the wall  
nygiants16 : 7/8/2020 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14930327 bceagle05 said:
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when Mills/Perry sold Dolan on last summer's free agent haul being a solid Plan B - and the guy bought it...until the games started.


Dolan trusts the people he hires way to much...

He probably said ehh i trust these guys ok do what you want..
Chris Fleming interviewing Thursday  
nygiants16 : 7/8/2020 1:04 pm : link
according to Chris Haynes
RE: The Porzingis trade  
aimrocky : 7/8/2020 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14930289 GGGGmen said:
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alone should have been enough to get Perry fired. They got NOTHING in return for a budding star.

Still can't get over that bullshit trade.


The amazing part about the trade is that IMMEDIATELY it was obvious that the trade was bullshit... You didn't need to be an insider to know that. Then rumors started leaking that the Knicks didn't even shop him around, making it worse by ten fold. Yet there were still some who drank the kool aid, and found a silver lining with the deal.

I don't care what the Knicks do on paper anymore. Until we see results, they're a rotten franchise who aims for embarrassment. They're the "hold my beer" franchise when it comes to embarrassment.
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