and who wants to profess, in a closed and sealed room, with potential IDGAF students at any age? I'd pass being either student or athlete at this point.
and who wants to profess, in a closed and sealed room, with potential IDGAF students at any age? I'd pass being either student or athlete at this point.
142 deaths nationwide ages 15-24. Source: CDC
But kickers post is spot on, particularly for smaller conferences anyway the risk/reward isnt there to justify the legal risks. I am anxious to see the direction the SEC takes though.
This thread has no chance by the way.
Waiting for the hammer to fall on High School sports
is a huge liability that colleges are struggling with.
I agree but the fact is that it is not just "Athletes on Campus" it is "Students on Campus" that Colleges are struggling with from a liability perspective.
Sorry, do not meant to sway off topic ... as a parent of former D1 athletes, my heart really goes out to these athletes, many working much of their lives for these opportunities.
I think everyone wants to hold onto the sports we had
but it's not going to be possible to play all of them anytime soon, or at anything like the level we're used to -- and it won't be possible to fund them for probably years after that.
Not to get all new-agey about it but I think we're all going to have a grieving period for the sports we have lost. That will only happen if/when it's clear these sports are gone indefinitely, not just postponed. But bigger events have intervened. Whatcha gonna do?
By the time we are back to something close to the old "normal," the world may be very different. Maybe everyone will want NCAA volleyball, synchronized swimming and fencing back, maybe not, and maybe they'll want something else that we're not thinking about right now.
is a huge liability that colleges are struggling with.
I agree but the fact is that it is not just "Athletes on Campus" it is "Students on Campus" that Colleges are struggling with from a liability perspective.
Sorry, do not meant to sway off topic ... as a parent of former D1 athletes, my heart really goes out to these athletes, many working much of their lives for these opportunities.
Absolutely; students on campus are also an issue.
But athletes and the student body present different hurdles from admin’s perspective. Both large, but different.
RE: I think everyone wants to hold onto the sports we had
By the time we are back to something close to the old "normal," the world may be very different. Maybe everyone will want NCAA volleyball, synchronized swimming and fencing back, maybe not, and maybe they'll want something else that we're not thinking about right now.
A friend of mine fenced in college and is pretty bummed about this. You need 40 programs to be considered a championship sport in the NCAA, and Stanford eliminating fencing brings it down to 43 D-1 programs. Have to think there will be more cuts, and not having enough programs for an official championship would probably only make things tougher. Difficult times ahead for college sports in general, but particularly the non-revenue sports.
RE: RE: I think everyone wants to hold onto the sports we had
By the time we are back to something close to the old "normal," the world may be very different. Maybe everyone will want NCAA volleyball, synchronized swimming and fencing back, maybe not, and maybe they'll want something else that we're not thinking about right now.
A friend of mine fenced in college and is pretty bummed about this. You need 40 programs to be considered a championship sport in the NCAA, and Stanford eliminating fencing brings it down to 43 D-1 programs. Have to think there will be more cuts, and not having enough programs for an official championship would probably only make things tougher. Difficult times ahead for college sports in general, but particularly the non-revenue sports.
Difficult times ahead for the Olympics, too. The pipeline for a lot of sports is going to shrink, and funding for the grand Olympic spectacles we've seen was already questionable before the pandemic. I don't think it's going to be practical again for maybe a generation, if ever. Maybe not soccer World Cup as we've known it, either.
RE: RE: RE: I think everyone wants to hold onto the sports we had
Maybe not soccer World Cup as we've known it, either.
I don’t follow this one. Seems like you can be a little dramatic at times no?
Qualifying requires fixed dates in the domestic leagues. There has always been tension about releasing players (injuries, etc.), and given that a lot of the leagues are talking about compressed seasons, there could be ramifications for the qualifying routes.
So, yeah, he's right.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think everyone wants to hold onto the sports we had
Maybe not soccer World Cup as we've known it, either.
I don’t follow this one. Seems like you can be a little dramatic at times no?
Besides what's been said above, I'm thinking of all those people from all over the world converging in one place, both players and fans. If you do it without fans, it's not the World Cup as we've known it. Even without fans, you'd probably have to quarantine the teams after the tournament so you don't turn one infected guy into a multi-national outbreak.
We can disagree on this, but I don't think I'm being dramatic. I think I'm being realistic. If your house is on fire, you don't think "Oh, it's a little fire, I'll be able to sleep there tonight." If for no other reason than by the time the firefighters are done with your house, it's going to need a cleanup to be livable again. This is similar. Even if the pandemic is only moderately damaging, the countermeasures to keep it that way are going make a mess of things. We're seeing that in sports. Then we'll have to clean up that mess, and that takes time, effort and money.
(I was living in a wooden row house in Albany's student ghetto when the place next door to me was torched in an arson fire, multiple deaths. My place was only singed but I couldn't sleep there that night. A professional cleanup company had to come in to get the smoke out before I could move back in.)
I think that'll all get done, eventually. But sports is a little like potted plants and pictures on the wall in the house that burned. They get replaced, but they're not among the first things that need attention.
Suddenly a pandemic threatens generations of world cups? Or was he just taking about this next one? It read like multiple world cups which last I checked were at risk
I went to Cornell. I watched Ed Marinaro play once and I went to a few hockey games (Cornell won national championship my freshman year). No one there cares about the teams.For the most part college sports are a waste of money. Most colleges including the Ivy League should have intramural programs that would cost little and encourage more students to participate.
I went to Cornell. I watched Ed Marinaro play once and I went to a few hockey games (Cornell won national championship my freshman year). No one there cares about the teams.For the most part college sports are a waste of money. Most colleges including the Ivy League should have intramural programs that would cost little and encourage more students to participate.
Pretty insensitive comment. First, Ivy athletics are not the center of campus, there are no scholarships, so there is not the absolute obsession with certain sports. That is what it is, if you wanted another culture where the athletic department is the cash cow, go to another school.
Second, when it comes to the non-revenue sports, The situation at the Ivies and other D1 schools are similar; these sports do not affect many students’ lives for sure, but they do affect the student athletes, some of whom compete at the national and Olympic level. Those sports come almost entirely from private monies, and at the ivies like Cornell, no scholarships.
Also, almost every D1 school has active intermural and intramural club programs that encourage broad participation.
To return to a reduced college experience this year is nuts. Take a gap year. Go make some money. Wait for this situation to return to normal and return when it does. Unless of course during the gap year they learn making money is better than spending money and never return.
Nephew plays football at Renssellaer and they cancelled his season and told him he will be remote learning in the fall. Followed it up with a notice that there will be no reduction in tuition. Probably going to be the same for kid I coached who is currently in his senior year of wrestling at The College Of NJ. His season has already been cancelled and he is waiting to hear if he will be on campus. He was already told there will be no reduction in tuition if learning remotely. INSANITY
RE: Any student who pays what seems like its going to be full tuition
To return to a reduced college experience this year is nuts. Take a gap year. Go make some money. Wait for this situation to return to normal and return when it does. Unless of course during the gap year they learn making money is better than spending money and never return.
Nephew plays football at Renssellaer and they cancelled his season and told him he will be remote learning in the fall. Followed it up with a notice that there will be no reduction in tuition. Probably going to be the same for kid I coached who is currently in his senior year of wrestling at The College Of NJ. His season has already been cancelled and he is waiting to hear if he will be on campus. He was already told there will be no reduction in tuition if learning remotely. INSANITY
Certainly frustrating, but its the same thing at grade school level. School isnt free - you pay for it in property taxes, and I havent heard of many towns slashing school budgets either. Our education system isnt held to the same standards as the real world... but we've all been waiting for the bubble to pop for a long time now.
I went to Cornell. I watched Ed Marinaro play once and I went to a few hockey games (Cornell won national championship my freshman year). No one there cares about the teams.For the most part college sports are a waste of money. Most colleges including the Ivy League should have intramural programs that would cost little and encourage more students to participate.
maybe we should get rid of competitive sports altogether. Since in your ridiculous opinion college sports are a waste of money.
Take a gap year and earn money doing what? Not so easy to find employment these days.
If you're a college kid, you're trying to earn a degree that will get you into your field and start your career. Taking a year off to drive for Doordash is just delaying that career.
This all sucks for college students. Especially college student athletes. But I don't see how a gap year helps.
Take a gap year and earn money doing what? Not so easy to find employment these days.
Exactly. This may be a really crappy year to be in college, but it's also a really crappy year to be looking for a job. (And we can all be hopeful, but let's face it, we simply don't know what's coming over the next year, and there's no guarantee that the 2021/2022 school year will be peaches and cream either). Were I a student, I'd certainly be tempted to punt the year, but I think it would be pretty hard to find something meaningful or even passable to do instead.
Take a gap year and earn money doing what? Not so easy to find employment these days.
Exactly. This may be a really crappy year to be in college, but it's also a really crappy year to be looking for a job. (And we can all be hopeful, but let's face it, we simply don't know what's coming over the next year, and there's no guarantee that the 2021/2022 school year will be peaches and cream either). Were I a student, I'd certainly be tempted to punt the year, but I think it would be pretty hard to find something meaningful or even passable to do instead.
I agree with you but the other alternative is dishing out tens of thousands of dollars to sit on the couch all semester.
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I went to Cornell. I watched Ed Marinaro play once and I went to a few hockey games (Cornell won national championship my freshman year). No one there cares about the teams.For the most part college sports are a waste of money. Most colleges including the Ivy League should have intramural programs that would cost little and encourage more students to participate. /////////
maybe we should get rid of competitive sports altogether. Since in your ridiculous opinion college sports are a waste of money.
Agree that. And to whet pj's loins a bit more, that championship team was backstopped in net by none other than Ken Dryden, if memory serves. I was up at Lynah to broadcast a couple of games for my college and the place was a madhouse. Ned Harkness was a campus hero (hockey and lax) for years. I think the poster may have been living in his/her own cloistered world.
kicker's (and hi, it's been a long time) point aside--and it's substantial--but seems to me the Ivies are making a difficult but proper decision to facilitate plan Bs for student athletes, staff, etc.
Take a gap year and earn money doing what? Not so easy to find employment these days.
If you're a college kid, you're trying to earn a degree that will get you into your field and start your career. Taking a year off to drive for Doordash is just delaying that career.
This all sucks for college students. Especially college student athletes. But I don't see how a gap year helps.
I'm sure its different for everyone but the nephew who was going to RPI is already working for Sanzari bringing home over $1200 a week. Not glorious work and its hard as all hell but in no time he can/will be making over $125k with OT and have a pension.
There is plenty of work out there. Plenty that pays a hell of a nice salary if you are willing to WORK and get your hands dirty. There is a massive need for trade labor.
Suddenly a pandemic threatens generations of world cups? Or was he just taking about this next one? It read like multiple world cups which last I checked were at risk
I meant the next one. If we're talking about more than one World Cup being impacted directly by the pandemic, the World Cup will be the least of our problems. I don't think this thing will last that long.
Suddenly a pandemic threatens generations of world cups? Or was he just taking about this next one? It read like multiple world cups which last I checked were at risk
I meant the next one. If we're talking about more than one World Cup being impacted directly by the pandemic, the World Cup will be the least of our problems. I don't think this thing will last that long.
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I went to Cornell. I watched Ed Marinaro play once and I went to a few hockey games (Cornell won national championship my freshman year). No one there cares about the teams.For the most part college sports are a waste of money. Most colleges including the Ivy League should have intramural programs that would cost little and encourage more students to participate. /////////
maybe we should get rid of competitive sports altogether. Since in your ridiculous opinion college sports are a waste of money.
Agree that. And to whet pj's loins a bit more, that championship team was backstopped in net by none other than Ken Dryden, if memory serves. I was up at Lynah to broadcast a couple of games for my college and the place was a madhouse. Ned Harkness was a campus hero (hockey and lax) for years. I think the poster may have been living in his/her own cloistered world.
kicker's (and hi, it's been a long time) point aside--and it's substantial--but seems to me the Ivies are making a difficult but proper decision to facilitate plan Bs for student athletes, staff, etc.
Of course Ken Dryden is among the most famous Cornell hockey alum, but any other school can maybe make the case "no one here cares" and get away with it but Cornell is the #1 ECAC school in hockey attendance (overall) and when viewed at percent capacity Cornell is #9 in the country overall for hockey attendance.
just a bad take, more sports, not less is what today's youth need.
though I do agree more intramural opportunities is fine too - not opposed to that only opposed to the opinion that college sports are waste of money. Sports are probably the least wasteful thing about college.
Playing sports is a real education and gives you some great learning experiences - good and bad.
I played college baseball and we probably had less than 20 fans at every game. But it was an incredible experience for me just to participate and balance with my education.
Cornell won the national championship the year after Ken Dryden graduated. The goalie on the championship team was Brian Cropper. Bill Hughes was on the team in the years I was there.His daughter won the Olympic Gold for figure skating
"More sports, not less, are what today's youth need"
Sorry, but I just don't agree. Too many kids' lives - and that of their parents - are centered around practice and travel teams and summer showcase camps, and on and on and on. Everyone involved, even the coaches, would be better served by dialing it back.
And on the other side of the argument, what do you say about students who have no athletic ability and no interest whatsoever? Both my wife and I were college athletes, she a state champion in high school and a member of an NCAA championship team (in a different sport) in college, yet neither of our children showed any interest or aptitude in sports despite all our efforts to encourage them.
Academics, the arts, service work, church activities, work experience -- I'd argue that all of these things are worthwhile alternatives to sports, and that they may even be more healthy in the long run than anything driven by a Friday-Night-Lights mentality. And I say this as someone who happily coached (as I was teaching) for 70 seasons in the past 30 years, and who stays up too late at night reading a NY Giants internet forum...
Sorry, but I just don't agree. Too many kids' lives - and that of their parents - are centered around practice and travel teams and summer showcase camps, and on and on and on. Everyone involved, even the coaches, would be better served by dialing it back.
And on the other side of the argument, what do you say about students who have no athletic ability and no interest whatsoever? Both my wife and I were college athletes, she a state champion in high school and a member of an NCAA championship team (in a different sport) in college, yet neither of our children showed any interest or aptitude in sports despite all our efforts to encourage them.
Academics, the arts, service work, church activities, work experience -- I'd argue that all of these things are worthwhile alternatives to sports, and that they may even be more healthy in the long run than anything driven by a Friday-Night-Lights mentality. And I say this as someone who happily coached (as I was teaching) for 70 seasons in the past 30 years, and who stays up too late at night reading a NY Giants internet forum...
I agree with you regarding the toxic-level focus on sports that some parents seem to have, especially with rather younger kids. I've known a handful of parents, who spend all their time shuttling their kids around from one practice to another and one tournament to another. Some of their kids don't even enjoy playing sports anymore, but the parents appear to believe that it will have positive benefits in the long run. Some of these parents have told me that they've enjoyed (begrudgingly) the break they got from COVID shutting down all sports activities.
With that being said, I do believe that requiring students to play some level of sports in school can be beneficial to their development, whether they are intramural, club, or varsity. Having the students spend even an hour playing sports (even if it's not really competitive but just for fun) helps them in ways that doing other non-sports related activities may not be able to fully provide.
As far as my own kids go, neither of my older two (9 and 5 years old) are very athletic. While my wife and I were decent high school athletes, at the rate that my kids are showing interest and aptitude for sports at this age, it wouldn't surprise me if they barely play sports in high school. However, even with that knowledge, I've coached them in track for the past two years and will get them into BJJ once we're allowed to do so safely because no matter how good or bad they are in sports, there are numerous benefits to playing some kind of sports throughout their younger years (and beyond).
Sorry, but I just don't agree. Too many kids' lives - and that of their parents - are centered around practice and travel teams and summer showcase camps, and on and on and on. Everyone involved, even the coaches, would be better served by dialing it back.
And on the other side of the argument, what do you say about students who have no athletic ability and no interest whatsoever? Both my wife and I were college athletes, she a state champion in high school and a member of an NCAA championship team (in a different sport) in college, yet neither of our children showed any interest or aptitude in sports despite all our efforts to encourage them.
Academics, the arts, service work, church activities, work experience -- I'd argue that all of these things are worthwhile alternatives to sports, and that they may even be more healthy in the long run than anything driven by a Friday-Night-Lights mentality. And I say this as someone who happily coached (as I was teaching) for 70 seasons in the past 30 years, and who stays up too late at night reading a NY Giants internet forum...
I never said sports couldn't be improved or that they were for everyone or should be mandatory.
So, sure the extreme example of toxic mentality of sports dominant parents or toxically competitive youth sports for the age are also bad.
But I remain convinced in an country where obesity is so prevalent and children are more and more often being steered away from sports it should become more of an option, not less.
I'd even go so far as to re-institute the President's council on physical fitness JFK created, so at the younger ages "gym" was a requirement and not just to put on gym clothes like it is today.
So in summary - sure the toxic element of sports should be fixed, but no it shouldn't be cut and I also never claimed arts, academics, or culture should lose out to more sports opportunities.
Cornell has a wrestling team that has a damn good shot of winning the whole NCAA tournament this year. Covid paranoia is most likely going to ruin their greatest chance of winning a national title.
Princeton is most likely a top 10 team this upcoming season.
Hopefully the Ivy League will allow wrestling to begin 1/1/2021 but I doubt it.
Yes I am.
142 deaths nationwide ages 15-24. Source: CDC
But kickers post is spot on, particularly for smaller conferences anyway the risk/reward isnt there to justify the legal risks. I am anxious to see the direction the SEC takes though.
This thread has no chance by the way.
I agree but the fact is that it is not just "Athletes on Campus" it is "Students on Campus" that Colleges are struggling with from a liability perspective.
Sorry, do not meant to sway off topic ... as a parent of former D1 athletes, my heart really goes out to these athletes, many working much of their lives for these opportunities.
Not to get all new-agey about it but I think we're all going to have a grieving period for the sports we have lost. That will only happen if/when it's clear these sports are gone indefinitely, not just postponed. But bigger events have intervened. Whatcha gonna do?
By the time we are back to something close to the old "normal," the world may be very different. Maybe everyone will want NCAA volleyball, synchronized swimming and fencing back, maybe not, and maybe they'll want something else that we're not thinking about right now.
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is a huge liability that colleges are struggling with.
I agree but the fact is that it is not just "Athletes on Campus" it is "Students on Campus" that Colleges are struggling with from a liability perspective.
Sorry, do not meant to sway off topic ... as a parent of former D1 athletes, my heart really goes out to these athletes, many working much of their lives for these opportunities.
Absolutely; students on campus are also an issue.
But athletes and the student body present different hurdles from admin’s perspective. Both large, but different.
A friend of mine fenced in college and is pretty bummed about this. You need 40 programs to be considered a championship sport in the NCAA, and Stanford eliminating fencing brings it down to 43 D-1 programs. Have to think there will be more cuts, and not having enough programs for an official championship would probably only make things tougher. Difficult times ahead for college sports in general, but particularly the non-revenue sports.
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By the time we are back to something close to the old "normal," the world may be very different. Maybe everyone will want NCAA volleyball, synchronized swimming and fencing back, maybe not, and maybe they'll want something else that we're not thinking about right now.
A friend of mine fenced in college and is pretty bummed about this. You need 40 programs to be considered a championship sport in the NCAA, and Stanford eliminating fencing brings it down to 43 D-1 programs. Have to think there will be more cuts, and not having enough programs for an official championship would probably only make things tougher. Difficult times ahead for college sports in general, but particularly the non-revenue sports.
I don’t follow this one. Seems like you can be a little dramatic at times no?
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Maybe not soccer World Cup as we've known it, either.
I don’t follow this one. Seems like you can be a little dramatic at times no?
Qualifying requires fixed dates in the domestic leagues. There has always been tension about releasing players (injuries, etc.), and given that a lot of the leagues are talking about compressed seasons, there could be ramifications for the qualifying routes.
So, yeah, he's right.
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Maybe not soccer World Cup as we've known it, either.
I don’t follow this one. Seems like you can be a little dramatic at times no?
We can disagree on this, but I don't think I'm being dramatic. I think I'm being realistic. If your house is on fire, you don't think "Oh, it's a little fire, I'll be able to sleep there tonight." If for no other reason than by the time the firefighters are done with your house, it's going to need a cleanup to be livable again. This is similar. Even if the pandemic is only moderately damaging, the countermeasures to keep it that way are going make a mess of things. We're seeing that in sports. Then we'll have to clean up that mess, and that takes time, effort and money.
(I was living in a wooden row house in Albany's student ghetto when the place next door to me was torched in an arson fire, multiple deaths. My place was only singed but I couldn't sleep there that night. A professional cleanup company had to come in to get the smoke out before I could move back in.)
I think that'll all get done, eventually. But sports is a little like potted plants and pictures on the wall in the house that burned. They get replaced, but they're not among the first things that need attention.
Pretty insensitive comment. First, Ivy athletics are not the center of campus, there are no scholarships, so there is not the absolute obsession with certain sports. That is what it is, if you wanted another culture where the athletic department is the cash cow, go to another school.
Second, when it comes to the non-revenue sports, The situation at the Ivies and other D1 schools are similar; these sports do not affect many students’ lives for sure, but they do affect the student athletes, some of whom compete at the national and Olympic level. Those sports come almost entirely from private monies, and at the ivies like Cornell, no scholarships.
Also, almost every D1 school has active intermural and intramural club programs that encourage broad participation.
Nephew plays football at Renssellaer and they cancelled his season and told him he will be remote learning in the fall. Followed it up with a notice that there will be no reduction in tuition. Probably going to be the same for kid I coached who is currently in his senior year of wrestling at The College Of NJ. His season has already been cancelled and he is waiting to hear if he will be on campus. He was already told there will be no reduction in tuition if learning remotely. INSANITY
Nephew plays football at Renssellaer and they cancelled his season and told him he will be remote learning in the fall. Followed it up with a notice that there will be no reduction in tuition. Probably going to be the same for kid I coached who is currently in his senior year of wrestling at The College Of NJ. His season has already been cancelled and he is waiting to hear if he will be on campus. He was already told there will be no reduction in tuition if learning remotely. INSANITY
Certainly frustrating, but its the same thing at grade school level. School isnt free - you pay for it in property taxes, and I havent heard of many towns slashing school budgets either. Our education system isnt held to the same standards as the real world... but we've all been waiting for the bubble to pop for a long time now.
maybe we should get rid of competitive sports altogether. Since in your ridiculous opinion college sports are a waste of money.
If you're a college kid, you're trying to earn a degree that will get you into your field and start your career. Taking a year off to drive for Doordash is just delaying that career.
This all sucks for college students. Especially college student athletes. But I don't see how a gap year helps.
Exactly. This may be a really crappy year to be in college, but it's also a really crappy year to be looking for a job. (And we can all be hopeful, but let's face it, we simply don't know what's coming over the next year, and there's no guarantee that the 2021/2022 school year will be peaches and cream either). Were I a student, I'd certainly be tempted to punt the year, but I think it would be pretty hard to find something meaningful or even passable to do instead.
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Take a gap year and earn money doing what? Not so easy to find employment these days.
Exactly. This may be a really crappy year to be in college, but it's also a really crappy year to be looking for a job. (And we can all be hopeful, but let's face it, we simply don't know what's coming over the next year, and there's no guarantee that the 2021/2022 school year will be peaches and cream either). Were I a student, I'd certainly be tempted to punt the year, but I think it would be pretty hard to find something meaningful or even passable to do instead.
I agree with you but the other alternative is dishing out tens of thousands of dollars to sit on the couch all semester.
Anybody that does that is crazy
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I went to Cornell. I watched Ed Marinaro play once and I went to a few hockey games (Cornell won national championship my freshman year). No one there cares about the teams.For the most part college sports are a waste of money. Most colleges including the Ivy League should have intramural programs that would cost little and encourage more students to participate. /////////
maybe we should get rid of competitive sports altogether. Since in your ridiculous opinion college sports are a waste of money.
kicker's (and hi, it's been a long time) point aside--and it's substantial--but seems to me the Ivies are making a difficult but proper decision to facilitate plan Bs for student athletes, staff, etc.
If you're a college kid, you're trying to earn a degree that will get you into your field and start your career. Taking a year off to drive for Doordash is just delaying that career.
This all sucks for college students. Especially college student athletes. But I don't see how a gap year helps.
I'm sure its different for everyone but the nephew who was going to RPI is already working for Sanzari bringing home over $1200 a week. Not glorious work and its hard as all hell but in no time he can/will be making over $125k with OT and have a pension.
There is plenty of work out there. Plenty that pays a hell of a nice salary if you are willing to WORK and get your hands dirty. There is a massive need for trade labor.
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Suddenly a pandemic threatens generations of world cups? Or was he just taking about this next one? It read like multiple world cups which last I checked were at risk
I meant the next one. If we're talking about more than one World Cup being impacted directly by the pandemic, the World Cup will be the least of our problems. I don't think this thing will last that long.
gotcha, thanks for clarifying
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I went to Cornell. I watched Ed Marinaro play once and I went to a few hockey games (Cornell won national championship my freshman year). No one there cares about the teams.For the most part college sports are a waste of money. Most colleges including the Ivy League should have intramural programs that would cost little and encourage more students to participate. /////////
maybe we should get rid of competitive sports altogether. Since in your ridiculous opinion college sports are a waste of money.
Agree that. And to whet pj's loins a bit more, that championship team was backstopped in net by none other than Ken Dryden, if memory serves. I was up at Lynah to broadcast a couple of games for my college and the place was a madhouse. Ned Harkness was a campus hero (hockey and lax) for years. I think the poster may have been living in his/her own cloistered world.
kicker's (and hi, it's been a long time) point aside--and it's substantial--but seems to me the Ivies are making a difficult but proper decision to facilitate plan Bs for student athletes, staff, etc.
Of course Ken Dryden is among the most famous Cornell hockey alum, but any other school can maybe make the case "no one here cares" and get away with it but Cornell is the #1 ECAC school in hockey attendance (overall) and when viewed at percent capacity Cornell is #9 in the country overall for hockey attendance.
just a bad take, more sports, not less is what today's youth need.
though I do agree more intramural opportunities is fine too - not opposed to that only opposed to the opinion that college sports are waste of money. Sports are probably the least wasteful thing about college.
Playing sports is a real education and gives you some great learning experiences - good and bad.
I played college baseball and we probably had less than 20 fans at every game. But it was an incredible experience for me just to participate and balance with my education.
And on the other side of the argument, what do you say about students who have no athletic ability and no interest whatsoever? Both my wife and I were college athletes, she a state champion in high school and a member of an NCAA championship team (in a different sport) in college, yet neither of our children showed any interest or aptitude in sports despite all our efforts to encourage them.
Academics, the arts, service work, church activities, work experience -- I'd argue that all of these things are worthwhile alternatives to sports, and that they may even be more healthy in the long run than anything driven by a Friday-Night-Lights mentality. And I say this as someone who happily coached (as I was teaching) for 70 seasons in the past 30 years, and who stays up too late at night reading a NY Giants internet forum...
And on the other side of the argument, what do you say about students who have no athletic ability and no interest whatsoever? Both my wife and I were college athletes, she a state champion in high school and a member of an NCAA championship team (in a different sport) in college, yet neither of our children showed any interest or aptitude in sports despite all our efforts to encourage them.
Academics, the arts, service work, church activities, work experience -- I'd argue that all of these things are worthwhile alternatives to sports, and that they may even be more healthy in the long run than anything driven by a Friday-Night-Lights mentality. And I say this as someone who happily coached (as I was teaching) for 70 seasons in the past 30 years, and who stays up too late at night reading a NY Giants internet forum...
I agree with you regarding the toxic-level focus on sports that some parents seem to have, especially with rather younger kids. I've known a handful of parents, who spend all their time shuttling their kids around from one practice to another and one tournament to another. Some of their kids don't even enjoy playing sports anymore, but the parents appear to believe that it will have positive benefits in the long run. Some of these parents have told me that they've enjoyed (begrudgingly) the break they got from COVID shutting down all sports activities.
With that being said, I do believe that requiring students to play some level of sports in school can be beneficial to their development, whether they are intramural, club, or varsity. Having the students spend even an hour playing sports (even if it's not really competitive but just for fun) helps them in ways that doing other non-sports related activities may not be able to fully provide.
As far as my own kids go, neither of my older two (9 and 5 years old) are very athletic. While my wife and I were decent high school athletes, at the rate that my kids are showing interest and aptitude for sports at this age, it wouldn't surprise me if they barely play sports in high school. However, even with that knowledge, I've coached them in track for the past two years and will get them into BJJ once we're allowed to do so safely because no matter how good or bad they are in sports, there are numerous benefits to playing some kind of sports throughout their younger years (and beyond).
And on the other side of the argument, what do you say about students who have no athletic ability and no interest whatsoever? Both my wife and I were college athletes, she a state champion in high school and a member of an NCAA championship team (in a different sport) in college, yet neither of our children showed any interest or aptitude in sports despite all our efforts to encourage them.
Academics, the arts, service work, church activities, work experience -- I'd argue that all of these things are worthwhile alternatives to sports, and that they may even be more healthy in the long run than anything driven by a Friday-Night-Lights mentality. And I say this as someone who happily coached (as I was teaching) for 70 seasons in the past 30 years, and who stays up too late at night reading a NY Giants internet forum...
I never said sports couldn't be improved or that they were for everyone or should be mandatory.
So, sure the extreme example of toxic mentality of sports dominant parents or toxically competitive youth sports for the age are also bad.
But I remain convinced in an country where obesity is so prevalent and children are more and more often being steered away from sports it should become more of an option, not less.
I'd even go so far as to re-institute the President's council on physical fitness JFK created, so at the younger ages "gym" was a requirement and not just to put on gym clothes like it is today.
So in summary - sure the toxic element of sports should be fixed, but no it shouldn't be cut and I also never claimed arts, academics, or culture should lose out to more sports opportunities.
Princeton is most likely a top 10 team this upcoming season.
Hopefully the Ivy League will allow wrestling to begin 1/1/2021 but I doubt it.