Players have the option of sitting out the season.......

Hard to see many takers.

where I saw it.
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Their careers are too short and they don't make enough money to be set for life.

There's a small number of elite guys who have the money who could do it. The top veteran QBs like Brady, Rodgers, Rivers. Frank Gore maybe. I'm trying to think of the league's grizzled vets who have had the chance to make a lot of money, probably have families and would have to think twice about this whole thing.

I doubt he would forgo his last big payday.....but a difficult decision.

season when I see it.

will be very surprised if there is a complete season. I am not sure why a player would opt out, given the amount of money they will lose.

In comment 14930613 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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season when I see it.

I agree. I was watching some highlight film earlier and I said to myself this is probably what is going to have to hold me over until 2021.

Doubt many will opt out, but at least players know they can without any issues if they do.

I assume the same is true for coaches?

and their roster spots would have been taken by someone else. They would essentially have to go to camp the next season to win a spot back

In comment 14930613 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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season when I see it.

agreed

In comment 14930664 EricJ said:

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and their roster spots would have been taken by someone else. They would essentially have to go to camp the next season to win a spot back

Most players have to win a roster spot every year. This is the NFL.

Goodell's a lawyer. He knows the risks involved and he knows that liability almost always rises to the top. He'll cancel the season to limit his (and his staff's) legal exposure: otherwise, they're all toast when players, coaches, and fans start dying from the case of COVID they caught at the stadium during Sunday's meaningless game between Arizona and Miami.

Still as of today, everytime I see posts that say there won’t be a football season, I think you guys are out of your minds.

I have almost no doubt there will be a football season this year. There is just way too much money at stake for some many different parties.

It certainly could be a complete shitshow with players going in and out of Covid IL etc but they are going to figure out a way.

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Still as of today, everytime I see posts that say there won’t be a football season, I think you guys are out of your minds. I have almost no doubt there will be a football season this year. There is just way too much money at stake for some many different parties. It certainly could be a complete shitshow with players going in and out of Covid IL etc but they are going to figure out a way.

I hope you're right. If we do have a season, I don't see how it doesn't go off the rails though. These guys aren't going to be living in a bubble like the NFL; they're going to be out & about their communities, as are their family members.

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In comment 14930752 Danny Kanell said: Quote: Still as of today, everytime I see posts that say there won’t be a football season, I think you guys are out of your minds. I have almost no doubt there will be a football season this year. There is just way too much money at stake for some many different parties. It certainly could be a complete shitshow with players going in and out of Covid IL etc but they are going to figure out a way. I hope you're right. If we do have a season, I don't see how it doesn't go off the rails though. These guys aren't going to be living in a bubble like the NFL; they're going to be out & about their communities, as are their family members.

I agree but there also has to be some personal responsibility that goes along with the privilege of playing in the NFL and making the money they make. The players need to be smart about it. Many won’t. We know that. But that’s ultimately on them.

There are way too many people that stand to lose way too much money for the NFL season to not happen, imo.

So do fans. I believe I will be sitting out the season too. Sports have become so feminized and radicalized they are not worth watching anymore....

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In comment 14930664 EricJ said: Quote: and their roster spots would have been taken by someone else. They would essentially have to go to camp the next season to win a spot back Most players have to win a roster spot every year. This is the NFL.

Understood... but when you volunteer to give up your spot to someone who likely may also get paid less.. then you are putting your future at risk. Not to mention the fact that every GM and coach will be thinking that you are not committed.

Really surprised that you cannot see that

For spreading it. They are going to be tested daily. Or every couple of days. Their gap between tests is so limited, their potential to spread to their family and community is very minute. Most if not all players if they contract it, will know with a day or two of when they actually got it. They can go right into isolation instead of potentially spreading it everywhere they go for weeks on end.

but it will more resemble a strike shortened season of replacement players than the the product we're used to.
Sunday Ticket ain't gonna be worth the price of admission, IMO.

They might get tested every other day or so, but what's the time between getting tested & the results?

In comment 14930758 EricJ said:

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In comment 14930678 ZogZerg said: Quote: In comment 14930664 EricJ said: Quote: and their roster spots would have been taken by someone else. They would essentially have to go to camp the next season to win a spot back Most players have to win a roster spot every year. This is the NFL. Understood... but when you volunteer to give up your spot to someone who likely may also get paid less.. then you are putting your future at risk. Not to mention the fact that every GM and coach will be thinking that you are not committed. Really surprised that you cannot see that

Boy, you are making a lot assumptions with this.
I think you just don't get it.

and I'm assuming many players will get positive results.

They will be quarantined unless you are saying they play through.

What happens if the QB room gets positive results? 14 days without QBs?

You go to the practice squad?

I could see them starting the season, but dont see how they finish it. Especially when depth gets crushed.

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I doubt he would forgo his last big payday.....but a difficult decision.

A less covered topic will be people who elect to quarantine from their families because of a job. PSU's James Franklin will coach this season, but his family will live in Florida. He has a young daughter with an illness/disorder that makes her a higher risk.

I imagine there will be some players who will elect to return but may be away from their families for a lengthy period of time.

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They might get tested every other day or so, but what's the time between getting tested & the results?

My wife got hers back in 24 hours recently (Negatives thankfully). Some people you hear 72 hours. You also hear about these 15 minute rapid tests, who knows? Point being, while these guys will be playing a contact sport and therefore obviously much more exposed to catching it, they’re going to be tested unlike the average Joe. The average Joe isn’t getting tested unless he has symptoms. So all those asymptomatic cases are spreading it. Players will know very early, in most cases before they have symptoms (if they ever even develop symptoms).

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will be very surprised if there is a complete season. I am not sure why a player would opt out, given the amount of money they will lose.

I'm surprised that almost any non-Fringe Player isnt opting out.... only youthful denial of Mortality can explain it--then again, they're playing football and they already feel indestructible

but this goies for all athletes---especially established baseball and bball players.

is something nuts like 25%. How do the Cardinals move around in Arizona without getting infected? The TriState area is doing WAY better by now, the Jets and Giants have a reasonable chance of keeping the virus out if everybody's smart. But the Texans, the Cardinals, the Dolphins, and probably a few other teams are going to have a hard time staying virus-free unless they live in quarantine for the whole season.

Which isn't that crazy an idea. Guys live on oil rigs while they're working. It's hard but they make a lot of money. Think of your team as an oil rig...

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Still as of today, everytime I see posts that say there won’t be a football season, I think you guys are out of your minds. I have almost no doubt there will be a football season this year. There is just way too much money at stake for some many different parties. It certainly could be a complete shitshow with players going in and out of Covid IL etc but they are going to figure out a way.

I agree that the league, the owners and the players are going to bend heaven and earth to put games on the field and on TV. If things go reasonably well, they can deliver something that at least resembles an NFL season. If things go very badly, at some point they'll have to give up and cancel.

I think some teams will have outbreaks and will have to quarantine for 2-3 weeks, miss some games. If it's only a few teams, the league can figure that out. If it's most teams, that becomes a problem. Off the top of my head, I imagine that if they can put 6 games up every week, that's probably enough to keep going. So you could have as many as 20 teams quarantined at one time and they still wouldn't cancel the season. Then you just have makeup games.

so that if one player tests positive, it doesnt mean the whole team quarantines. Someone mentioned the QB room - why would these players in huge training complexes be without masks breathing on top of one another? You'd of course keep them 20 feet apart... common sense. Thats just one example.

As for the other poster saying any non-fringe player is nuts not to get their paycheck (on a career that is 5-10 years long, maybe)... you still somehow dont seem to understand the distribution of risk by age group with this.

As for the league's legal liability, i'm certain the purpose of this OP and 'option to sit out' means waiver liability forms are coming

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so that if one player tests positive, it doesnt mean the whole team quarantines. Someone mentioned the QB room - why would these players in huge training complexes be without masks breathing on top of one another? You'd of course keep them 20 feet apart... common sense. Thats just one example.

What about when the players on are on the field? There is no way you can socially distance when they are running team drills or in huddles (insert the NFL is already a flag football league joke here). If someone does test positive, it will spread well beyond position groups.

some pretty significant issues, Cassandra would be drinking from the well.

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The other big question is how teams will handle the contract of any player who decides to sit out. One option would be to have the contract basically stay the same with everything moving forward one year -- but no decisions have been made.

- are interests of teams aligned with that, giving a status quo to players a year older?
- How is years of service going to be handled, for FA and related questions?
- Does a tag simply freeze in time?
- What happens in the case of partially played season, eight games or more, or fewer?
Free for all, no?

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Goodell's a lawyer. He knows the risks involved and he knows that liability almost always rises to the top. He'll cancel the season to limit his (and his staff's) legal exposure: otherwise, they're all toast when players, coaches, and fans start dying from the case of COVID they caught at the stadium during Sunday's meaningless game between Arizona and Miami.

Goodell is not a lawyer. He and Don Garber are the two non-lawyer commissioners.

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In comment 14930828 MetsAreBack said: Quote: so that if one player tests positive, it doesnt mean the whole team quarantines. Someone mentioned the QB room - why would these players in huge training complexes be without masks breathing on top of one another? You'd of course keep them 20 feet apart... common sense. Thats just one example. What about when the players on are on the field? There is no way you can socially distance when they are running team drills or in huddles (insert the NFL is already a flag football league joke here). If someone does test positive, it will spread well beyond position groups.

You were talking about it running thru the qb room. It is possible to distance all the qbs in the room and on the practice fields so if one qb gets sick it doesn't mean all will.

In comment 14930831 figgy2989 said:

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In comment 14930828 MetsAreBack said: Quote: so that if one player tests positive, it doesnt mean the whole team quarantines. Someone mentioned the QB room - why would these players in huge training complexes be without masks breathing on top of one another? You'd of course keep them 20 feet apart... common sense. Thats just one example. What about when the players on are on the field? There is no way you can socially distance when they are running team drills or in huddles (insert the NFL is already a flag football league joke here). If someone does test positive, it will spread well beyond position groups.

Certainly a risk on sundays but again, testing-testing-testing... during the week there might be 48 hour precautionary quarantining of a group right? I'm guessing during the week there will be very limited tight group interaction. Watching part of a Yankees practice on YES yesterday, lots of guys wearing masks, lots of precautions to keep people distant.

You've got billions invested in this.. I would think the NFL has armies of employees and consultants thinking through every scenario, meeting and practice angle.

i agree that the product on the field is really going to suck. Unchartered territory here, i get it ... but without many practices, shortened camps, probably no preseason reps, and likely very limited group interaction in the practices for reasons Figgy mentioned... i mean if you thought September football was rusty in prior years, just wait til you see this year's product.

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That is what I was getting at, the limitations of group drills/team activities is certainly going to effect the product on the field on Sundays. They have already cut 2 preseason games. Not that the first or last games were big deals anyway, but you want to see rookies and rookie free agents start to get used to the speed of the NFL.

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i agree that the product on the field is really going to suck. Unchartered territory here, i get it ... but without many practices, shortened camps, probably no preseason reps, and likely very limited group interaction in the practices for reasons Figgy mentioned... i mean if you thought September football was rusty in prior years, just wait til you see this year's product.

Just recalling that the league had no qualms about putting replacement players on the field and on TV to fulfill the terms of their TV contract. The product was clearly inferior, but they met the terms required to get their TV money. And as I recall, fans showed up and ratings were still acceptable.