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Geoff Schwartz: “Giants locker room full of snitches”

Vin_Cuccs : 7/9/2020 8:12 pm
On WFAN today with Moose and Maggie, Geoff Schwartz has some very interesting comments on the Giants locker room and organization from his time with the team:

“People telling on everybody.”
“Everything got back to coaches.”
“Disconnect between front office and coaching staff.”
“An ‘interesting’ and ‘unique’ place.”
“Disagreements about where I was playing.”

Obviously the speaks volumes to the chaos and madness of the Ben McAdoo era, but it also says a lot about Geoff Schwartz as well.

Link to Twitter video clip below.
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Even when he was healthy  
widmerseyebrow : 7/10/2020 12:19 am : link
I thought he played super soft for a guy his size.
Geoff Schwartz is lazy low life piece of shit  
LeonBright45 : 7/10/2020 1:08 am : link
Anyone who defends him is a moron. The guy never worked hard after we gave him a great contract. He was always a divisive locker room cancer. Always stirring shit and then stepping back and playing innocent. The guy triangulates and gets people involved in his sociopathic drama. Nobody should be reading his drivel or giving him a platform to hemorrhage from. What a twat. He's as bad as a sixteen year old girl with his gossip. I hope Flowers beats the living shit out of him next time he sees his sorry ass.
It’s almost funny  
mattnyg05 : 7/10/2020 6:26 am : link
But isn’t he doing exactly what he claims happened then? Full of snitches and tattletales that he’s snitching and tattling on right now??? What an idiot.

I’d rather be on a team where if a player talked shit about the coaches or the team, it got back to them. Be a team, be a unit, why chatty Kathy gossip about everyone and everything? Schwartz is trying to make a career (and has for the most part) and I get it, but what is the point of this? He’s saying this happened during his time there... look in the mirror dude.
Nobody likes a tattletale Danny...except of course, me.  
LBH15 : 7/10/2020 7:27 am : link

He seems to have all the answers  
Lines of Scrimmage : 7/10/2020 7:38 am : link
post career.

Most times when you have bad teams, units, organizations etc the true character shows so this does not surprise me. Everyone looks out for themselves and it is someone else who is at fault.
please. the real Mr. Irrelevant. Want to talk about dumb signings?  
Victor in CT : 7/10/2020 7:40 am : link
This was it. And a club house lawyer to boot.
Yup,  
Big Blue '56 : 7/10/2020 7:40 am : link
this is not indigenous to most, if not all, lockerrooms in the NFL. Just ours.
I think Reese was so deperate for OL that he just read Peter King's  
Victor in CT : 7/10/2020 7:52 am : link
column and signed Schwartz. For some unknown reason King Koffee had crush on Schwartz back then and the Giants bit and gave a big deal to a guy who never played a full season.
RE: The key to happiness in life is....  
Jints in Carolina : 7/10/2020 8:01 am : link
In comment 14931044 Greg from LI said:
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....find someone who loves you as much as Geoff Schwartz loves the sound of his own voice.


This
Who cares if you like Schwartz or not  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2020 8:09 am : link
or if he sucked as a Giant or if he likes the sound of his own voice.

He has more insight and experience in that locker room than any of us - many of you in fact are calling him a liar mostly because you don't like the message & you don't like the person. Or you are saying "everyone else does it too".

Both seem like defensive behavior.

I don't know, I don't see this as being unbelievable and while maybe the Giants weren't alone, it doesn't seem like an "everyone does it" thing either

I also must admit I don't follow media I guess as much as some of you. I see his brother (the good Schwartz) on twitter posting mostly cooking stuff, but rarely see Geoff.

The interviewer should have pushed for details (though I'm mostly in the camp of I don't care that much about it - but it seems some of you do)
How do random bbi posters  
RicFlair : 7/10/2020 8:11 am : link
Know anything about a football players work ethic?
pjacs18  
GManinDC : 7/10/2020 8:27 am : link
Good points. When he was going off on Flowers, everyone's favorite whipping boy, he was a cult hero. But now, he's talking about the org and the old regime, and now he's full of shit, always hurt, and never did anything for the Giants!

Entertaining thread  
arniefez : 7/10/2020 8:27 am : link
thank you. Went exactly like I would expect it to go. Right out of propaganda playbook. I wonder who the two players that tried to convert him were and how large their prayer circle was.

Ignorance was fandom bliss in the 80s pulling the curtain back in this era is no fun at all.

RE: Who cares if you like Schwartz or not  
JB_in_DC : 7/10/2020 8:36 am : link
In comment 14931106 pjcas18 said:
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I see his brother (the good Schwartz)


Mitchell is a hell of a player - insane to me the O Line talent that the Browns had with him, Alex Mack Joe Thomas, and Bitonio - and then let two of them walk. His significance to the Chiefs offense kinda gets lost in the shuffle because of the starpower at QB and WR. Just read his wiki article some pretty funny stuff:


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Schwartz didn't start playing football until he was a freshman in high school. When he started the ninth grade, he was already 6 feet 5 inches (1.96 m) tall and 240 pounds (110 kg), too big for the size restrictions of the local Pop Warner youth leagues. Additionally, his parents wanted him to instead focus on studying for his Bar Mitzvah.

Geoff and Mitchell are the first Jewish brothers to play in the NFL since Ralph Horween and Arnold Horween, in 1923

His father, speaking of the fact that he has two sons playing in the National Football League, said: "I just kvell." His mother, commenting on having two sons play football, said:

"I started out worrying that they were going to get hurt, but then I realized it was the other players I should be worrying about. They were like trucks hitting small cars. And I started to kind of feel like maybe this was their destiny."



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RE: RE: He sucks  
WideRight : 7/10/2020 8:40 am : link
In comment 14931004 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14930997 WideRight said:


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as a person and as a player



Why does he suck as a person?



He was welcomed to the Giants organization with generosity and optimism. He did not respond in kind with any level of production, wether injured or healthy (he sucked). And he contines to use his experience with the organization to legitimize his status as as ex-player, pretending to be more than someone who just sucked. It's pretentious and self-serving.
I also  
Big Al : 7/10/2020 8:50 am : link
hear he beats his dog.
I always believed that no conversations in the locker room..  
EricJ : 7/10/2020 9:09 am : link
should ever be shared in public unless a reporter is standing there with a microphone.

That was the problem that I had with Tiki. Not that he spoke out poorly about Eli when he got his first job on air.. but that he talked about things guys apparently said in the locker room.

It is something you just dont do. You almost never (rarely) hear a player leave one team via free agency and then publicly reveal things the guys said in the prior locker room. No matter how you left that organization...you just dont do it.
Interesting take  
BigBlueShock : 7/10/2020 9:13 am : link
So what I gather from this is it didn’t bother Schwartz that the locker room was full of unprofessional nitwits that were more interested in doing things worthy of being snitched on while the team was incompetent on the field, but he’s bothered by their shenanigans getting back to the coaches? Tells me all I need to know about Schwartz.

Every one of these guys are paid very well to come to work and be a professional. Yet we have a bunch of grown ass men obviously doing the exact opposite of that and instead of nipping that attitude and culture in the bud, Schwartz is more concerned with the supposed “snitches”. That’s the exact kind of leadership that has contaminated this team for far too long. Hey Geoff, how about you all show up, do your damn job in a professional manner, maybe actually win some damn games and go home. Be Andujar, maybe? Nah. It’s all the snitches fault this team sucked while you were there.
Ugh  
BigBlueShock : 7/10/2020 9:16 am : link
Be an ADULT, not Andujar.
Schwartz  
upnyg : 7/10/2020 9:29 am : link
never really felt he was a "Giant". Not to be harsh, but he rarely played. Fans were down on him during that time.

Also, isn't he telling on his teammates now? So what's the difference? What happens in the locker room stays in the locker room.
Interesting  
GManinDC : 7/10/2020 9:30 am : link
When ex-players rip on present or past players, it's all well and good, if it's a person that everyone is piling on.

When he was blasting Flowers, (he deserved alot of it) it was all good, no problem. He talsk about anything else, then his actual play for team status comes into question.
I pretty much  
Big Al : 7/10/2020 9:35 am : link
never read or listen to player interviews. Mostly positive bs. I prefer hearing the truth. Understand that players can’t do to that when they are active. However why not when retired especially when they do not name names. Did he name those that tried to convert him? I would be curious about that but we don’t know.. How exactly does the past stuff he tells us hurts team now?

And finally how does your failures as a player make you ineligible to express your experiences? Sorry but some of the best players are morons.

I also note the hypocrisy of some posters. Some of you actually love hearing this stuff.
Let me add this...  
EricJ : 7/10/2020 10:10 am : link
while I despise any player who reveals discussions that occurred behind the locker room door (as pointed out in my prior post), I find it "comical" that some here would judge the truthfulness of Schwartz's comments based upon his production as a player when he was on the team.

If you want to say he is full of shit because he is looking for some click bait to promote whatever it is he is doing now... then I am fine with that. To bring up his production on the field is as relevant as saying he also had bad breath.
Productivity is completely relevant  
upnyg : 7/10/2020 10:26 am : link
Those that don't play due to injury or not being starters will have a bias about their time. Ever ask a fired unproductive employee what they thought of their boss?
Listened to the whole interview  
ryanmkeane : 7/10/2020 10:43 am : link
the part where he basically said "well I was signed to play RG and then they told me I had to play a couple more positions" and he was bitching about that, pretty much sums up this guys career. Bitching and moaning and being hurt far more than actually playing.
Eric  
ryanmkeane : 7/10/2020 10:44 am : link
nobody is doubting the truthfulness of what he's saying...i think it's just the fact that he's talking about everything is the main issue. I mean, he's literally on twitter and radio spilling all of his, and yet, when he played he's saying that people talking bothered him? That's a bit rich.
RE: Productivity is completely relevant  
Big Al : 7/10/2020 10:55 am : link
In comment 14931188 upnyg said:
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Those that don't play due to injury or not being starters will have a bias about their time. Ever ask a fired unproductive employee what they thought of their boss?
Listen to what people say, consider all factors and draw your own conclusions. Don’t just tell people to shut up.
RE: Productivity is completely relevant  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2020 10:57 am : link
In comment 14931188 upnyg said:
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Those that don't play due to injury or not being starters will have a bias about their time. Ever ask a fired unproductive employee what they thought of their boss?


he said he liked Coughlin and the Maras. Did you even listen to the interview?

In your example it would be like asking a fired unproductive employee how they liked their co-workers. Pretty sure most won't make up bad things to say about them.

Even then though it's a bad analogy.
RE: Who cares if you like Schwartz or not  
UConn4523 : 7/10/2020 10:58 am : link
In comment 14931106 pjcas18 said:
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or if he sucked as a Giant or if he likes the sound of his own voice.


I think that last part matters...a lot. I don't care when former players blast the Giants, there's a lot of reason for it. But Schwartz is on another level with the frequency, its just really odd. He 100% likes the sound of his own voice and lets everyone know over and over again.

Just seems very opportunistic is all and people should be allowed to call him out on it. Doesn't mean his points aren't valid.
I don't see many disputing his claims - just calling him a hypocrite  
Eric on Li : 7/10/2020 11:06 am : link
his comments would be like Rex Ryan saying his Jets teams did too much chest thumping in the media. That would be accurate but also completely lacking the awareness that his own behavior directly contributed to what he's now prescribing.

Obviously an extreme example because Rex Ryan had a lot more control over his team's lockerroom as HC than Geoff Schwartz as a player, but the point remains - Geoff seems to think his only issues here were that he got hurt. Not that he underperformed when he was on the field. Not that he failed to fill an apparent leadership void as a highly paid veteran in a young OL room. Not that he seemingly had a poor attitude about switching positions when injuries hit. He seems blind to the fact that the problems he's describing existed in that lockerroom precisely because it was filled with too many players like him in the first place. He doesn't seem to see that his complaints about position are no different than all the criticisms he levels on others in that lockerroom like Flowers.
and this opinion on schwartz is not specific to this interview but all  
Eric on Li : 7/10/2020 11:09 am : link
his comments about the team over the years including his criticisms of Flowers. He may be accurate in some of his technical observations and even accurate in his character assessments, but doesn't change the fact that he's a literally massive hypocrite who displays many of the same qualities he seems to easily find fault with in others.
RE: RE: Who cares if you like Schwartz or not  
pjcas18 : 7/10/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 14931212 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14931106 pjcas18 said:


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or if he sucked as a Giant or if he likes the sound of his own voice.



I think that last part matters...a lot. I don't care when former players blast the Giants, there's a lot of reason for it. But Schwartz is on another level with the frequency, its just really odd. He 100% likes the sound of his own voice and lets everyone know over and over again.

Just seems very opportunistic is all and people should be allowed to call him out on it. Doesn't mean his points aren't valid.


Of course - my point was none of that matters to his points being valid or not. Not to if people like or care what he says.
Dude is only 33 years old.  
Rico : 7/10/2020 11:24 am : link
He looks like he's 60!
Reminds me of when Bryan Kehll came here  
Big Al : 7/10/2020 11:40 am : link
At first we hated him and we thought he was a troll. When it turned out it was really him we loved talking with him and hearing about what was going on inside.

One of a few threads from the archives.
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:  
Big Al : 7/10/2020 11:40 am : link
Kehl
This was another heist  
ghost718 : 7/10/2020 11:45 am : link
The Schwartz made off like a bandit

All about merchandising
Kehl  
Big Al : 7/10/2020 11:47 am : link
shows up on BBi.
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McAdoo  
PaulN : 7/10/2020 12:31 pm : link
Was fine as an x's and o' guy, but was a horrible leader, plus Mara ran away when they benched Eli, really had his coaches back, but the guy was in way over his head, you have to be very confident and sure of yourself, make decisions on your beliefs only, you can ask for all the help you want to, even trusting someone may know more and use that opinion, once the decision is made, as head coach that is now your responsibility, if wrong you look the media in the eye and say,I was wrong and move forward, McAdoo was unable to handle it, and then was left to twist in the wind and the organization had another scapegoat. Mr. Mara started with Coughlin, then McAdoo, then Reese (who he hated to give up), now its Gettleman, there is always Eli to blame also, but there is one constant.
If your head coach doesn't have sources in the locker room...  
Torrag : 7/10/2020 1:11 pm : link
...so he knows what's going on with the multi billion dollar sports club he's responsible for you need a different head coach.



What I found interesting in the interview  
phil in arizona : 7/10/2020 1:15 pm : link
was that he was told he'd play one position when he signed, but the coaches had him playing a different one. Just seems like Coughlin, Reese, and ownership could never get on the same page.
There are two type of former players.....  
WideRight : 7/10/2020 1:15 pm : link
Those who won, like Simms, Eli, Taylor, Carson, Banks etc. who look back and tell funny stories and fond anecdotes from their days on the field.

And those who didn't, like Schwartz, Barber etc. who look back and talk about all the things that were wrong
RE: There are two type of former players.....  
Big Al : 7/10/2020 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14931349 WideRight said:
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Those who won, like Simms, Eli, Taylor, Carson, Banks etc. who look back and tell funny stories and fond anecdotes from their days on the field.

And those who didn't, like Schwartz, Barber etc. who look back and talk about all the things that were wrong
Add Jim Bouton to that list. RIP one year today.
RE: McAdoo  
Victor in CT : 7/10/2020 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14931303 PaulN said:
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Was fine as an x's and o' guy, but was a horrible leader, plus Mara ran away when they benched Eli, really had his coaches back, but the guy was in way over his head, you have to be very confident and sure of yourself, make decisions on your beliefs only, you can ask for all the help you want to, even trusting someone may know more and use that opinion, once the decision is made, as head coach that is now your responsibility, if wrong you look the media in the eye and say,I was wrong and move forward, McAdoo was unable to handle it, and then was left to twist in the wind and the organization had another scapegoat. Mr. Mara started with Coughlin, then McAdoo, then Reese (who he hated to give up), now its Gettleman, there is always Eli to blame also, but there is one constant.


Really? They ran 1 formation on offense 99.9% of the time that they did not have the personnel to run effectively. He must have run out of chalk.
BS  
Dragon : 7/10/2020 2:12 pm : link
That’s the real problem in sports today these former players can’t just walk away from the game got to have media time. How many of us in olden days listened to former players about the team drugs, alcohol, women other vices everywhere but today there is no honor for the sport.
Nothing new about this.  
Big Al : 7/10/2020 2:28 pm : link
“The beloved baseball classic now available in paperback, with an updated epilogue by Jim Bouton.

When Ball Four was first published in 1970, it hit the sports world like a lightning bolt. Commissioners, executives, and players were shocked. Sportswriters called author Jim Bouton a traitor and social leper. Commissioner Bowie Kuhn tried to force him to declare the book untrue. Fans, however, loved the book. And serious critics called it an important social document. Today, Jim Bouton is still not invited to Oldtimer's Days at Yankee Stadium. But his landmark book is still being read by people who don't ordinarily follow baseball.“
shyster  
ColHowPepper : 7/10/2020 6:10 pm : link
interesting post on the what ifs of the 'Skins game end of '15 season
Sounds like Schwartz got outed  
CardinalX : 7/10/2020 8:42 pm : link
as the responsible party in the "Upper Decker Incident"
He is on a roll tonight.  
Big Al : 7/13/2020 10:30 pm : link


Geoff Schwartz
@geoffschwartz
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You ever fart so smelly that you’re surprised by just how bad it is? It’s never happened to me, but I’m sure it’s happened to y’all every night when you’re under the covers.


Geoff Schwartz
@geoffschwartz
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59m
I’m always so intrigued when someone attempts to bash me by saying my 8 year NFL was shit. What is the goal? I feel bad for playing 8 years? My opinion, which you seek out by following me, is not valid now? Do I give back the money? I’m so fascinated by this
My God, Schwartz is one serious  
montanagiant : 7/13/2020 10:40 pm : link
Attention whore who really didn't do much of anything during his playing days.

He is quick to dismiss his own failings and even quicker to stir shit up after his days are over
RE: The key to happiness in life is....  
montanagiant : 7/13/2020 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14931044 Greg from LI said:
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....find someone who loves you as much as Geoff Schwartz loves the sound of his own voice.

This is such a perfectly spot-on post
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