On WFAN today with Moose and Maggie, Geoff Schwartz has some very interesting comments on the Giants locker room and organization from his time with the team:
“People telling on everybody.”
“Everything got back to coaches.”
“Disconnect between front office and coaching staff.”
“An ‘interesting’ and ‘unique’ place.”
“Disagreements about where I was playing.”
Obviously the speaks volumes to the chaos and madness of the Ben McAdoo era, but it also says a lot about Geoff Schwartz as well.
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or when he was a Giant?
When he was a Giant.
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He also said he loved Eli and Eli gets a bad wrap.
When pressed sounds like two things bothered him:
1. Where he was going to play - said a disconnect between FO and coaching staff
2. Lockeroom stuff getting back to the coaching staff. Sounds like that was Coughlin having "his guys" in the locker room
Had nice things to say about Coughlin though, and the Mara's
blamed himself for injuries
it's about 2 min - people should listen for themselves
Justin Pugh 2.0.
This. He was a complete bust as a Giant and still has a ton to say. Was probably preparing for his media career.
He was a Giant during the 14 & 15 seasons. He certainly has a lot of opinions for such a short stint with the team.
Holy shit. What a terrible roster that season. Only ones worth mentioning were Eli Manning and Odell Beckham.
....On both sides of the ball.
Nice comical way to start the morning.
Why does he suck as a person?
Thus, he will do stuff like this.
2015 season - JPP fireworks incident while on the franchise tag right before camp. Will Beatty offseason injury forces Flowers to start at LT as a rookie in Coughlin's final season. Year 1 Spags reunion. Schwartz started 11 games.
So some of what he said is obviously accurate bc this org was in a fractured place with a lot of crazy stuff going on - specifically the JPP situation. The FO and coaching staff were clearly misaligned and heading in different directions.
What Schwartz misses is that a big reason for the failures of those teams was the poor job the FO did replacing prior talented players, including himself. So even though he takes blame for his injuries it's tough the square the circle of his comments because they are essentially "there was drama in the lockerroom, presumably between a group of guys who were proven winners but getting older and a newer group who ultimately proved to be massive disappointments who did a lot of losing, like myself".
2015 season - JPP fireworks incident while on the franchise tag right before camp. Will Beatty offseason injury forces Flowers to start at LT as a rookie in Coughlin's final season. Year 1 Spags reunion. Schwartz started 11 games.
So some of what he said is obviously accurate bc this org was in a fractured place with a lot of crazy stuff going on - specifically the JPP situation. The FO and coaching staff were clearly misaligned and heading in different directions.
What Schwartz misses is that a big reason for the failures of those teams was the poor job the FO did replacing prior talented players, including himself. So even though he takes blame for his injuries it's tough the square the circle of his comments because they are essentially "there was drama in the lockerroom, presumably between a group of guys who were proven winners but getting older and a newer group who ultimately proved to be massive disappointments who did a lot of losing, like myself".
Nobody takes anything you say seriously.
You're right but, for some perspective, that "issue" amounted to less than five quarters of playing time: one full game plus less than one full quarter of the following game, in which Schwartz suffered the broken leg that ended his career.
That game, Week 12/2015 @ Washington, carries a lot of "what ifs". Giants were the only team in the division at .500. Win that game and they control/win the NFCE. Coughlin gets at least another year and maybe McAdoo goes elsewhere for a coaching job with another team.
In addition to Pugh being out for that game, Richburg missed his only game of the year and Dallas Reynolds started at center.
Instead of Eli pulling things together, Bad Eli showed up and was a jittery mess from the get go. Offense had three interceptions and seven punts in first ten possessions to go down 20-0.
Two fourth quarter TDs, one on an impossible diving one hand catch by OBJ, were too little, too late and TC's fate was sealed.
So again, to me his comments are just a statement of the obvious - from 2012 on the FO picked a lot of losers who came here and lost/acted like losers. What's odd is that I and most others would probably put Schwartz in that camp so in a way he's just calling himself out. It's kind of like in Rudy when Parseghian tells Vince Vaughn he summed up his entire career with a comment about lightening up in practice. Schwartz sums up his career by doing anything other than being grateful he got paid what he did for what little he did here and in the NFL in general.
Reminds me a little of David Webb...he was very eager to give interviews, when the only time a backup QB who's never played or proven a thing should be speaking to the press is never...
So, serious question, what exactly was Schwartz doing that the spies were reporting?
Anyway, and also, aren’t there reporters in an NFL locker room on a pretty regular basis. Weird.
Exactly, he’s just trying to find a way to stay relevant post football. I don’t pay attention to anything he says about the Giants, he was constantly hurt and did next to nothing the few years he was here.
I’d rather be on a team where if a player talked shit about the coaches or the team, it got back to them. Be a team, be a unit, why chatty Kathy gossip about everyone and everything? Schwartz is trying to make a career (and has for the most part) and I get it, but what is the point of this? He’s saying this happened during his time there... look in the mirror dude.
Most times when you have bad teams, units, organizations etc the true character shows so this does not surprise me. Everyone looks out for themselves and it is someone else who is at fault.
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He has more insight and experience in that locker room than any of us - many of you in fact are calling him a liar mostly because you don't like the message & you don't like the person. Or you are saying "everyone else does it too".
Both seem like defensive behavior.
I don't know, I don't see this as being unbelievable and while maybe the Giants weren't alone, it doesn't seem like an "everyone does it" thing either
I also must admit I don't follow media I guess as much as some of you. I see his brother (the good Schwartz) on twitter posting mostly cooking stuff, but rarely see Geoff.
The interviewer should have pushed for details (though I'm mostly in the camp of I don't care that much about it - but it seems some of you do)
Ignorance was fandom bliss in the 80s pulling the curtain back in this era is no fun at all.
Mitchell is a hell of a player - insane to me the O Line talent that the Browns had with him, Alex Mack Joe Thomas, and Bitonio - and then let two of them walk. His significance to the Chiefs offense kinda gets lost in the shuffle because of the starpower at QB and WR. Just read his wiki article some pretty funny stuff:
Schwartz didn't start playing football until he was a freshman in high school. When he started the ninth grade, he was already 6 feet 5 inches (1.96 m) tall and 240 pounds (110 kg), too big for the size restrictions of the local Pop Warner youth leagues. Additionally, his parents wanted him to instead focus on studying for his Bar Mitzvah.
Geoff and Mitchell are the first Jewish brothers to play in the NFL since Ralph Horween and Arnold Horween, in 1923
His father, speaking of the fact that he has two sons playing in the National Football League, said: "I just kvell." His mother, commenting on having two sons play football, said:
"I started out worrying that they were going to get hurt, but then I realized it was the other players I should be worrying about. They were like trucks hitting small cars. And I started to kind of feel like maybe this was their destiny."
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as a person and as a player
Why does he suck as a person?
He was welcomed to the Giants organization with generosity and optimism. He did not respond in kind with any level of production, wether injured or healthy (he sucked). And he contines to use his experience with the organization to legitimize his status as as ex-player, pretending to be more than someone who just sucked. It's pretentious and self-serving.
That was the problem that I had with Tiki. Not that he spoke out poorly about Eli when he got his first job on air.. but that he talked about things guys apparently said in the locker room.
It is something you just dont do. You almost never (rarely) hear a player leave one team via free agency and then publicly reveal things the guys said in the prior locker room. No matter how you left that organization...you just dont do it.
Every one of these guys are paid very well to come to work and be a professional. Yet we have a bunch of grown ass men obviously doing the exact opposite of that and instead of nipping that attitude and culture in the bud, Schwartz is more concerned with the supposed “snitches”. That’s the exact kind of leadership that has contaminated this team for far too long. Hey Geoff, how about you all show up, do your damn job in a professional manner, maybe actually win some damn games and go home. Be Andujar, maybe? Nah. It’s all the snitches fault this team sucked while you were there.