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DeAndre Baker is done - Evidence shows he paid witnesses

Giants in 07 : 7/10/2020 7:37 pm
Investigators have Instagram messages and video evidence of a payoff cover-up in the Baker and Dunbar case.

More in the link below

If this is true, he's not only an ex-Giant soon enough, but prison bound.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-deandre-baker-quinton-dunbar-icloud-warrant-coverup-20200710-luc6jyesjjes5e3l56g4bpbnqm-story.html - ( New Window )
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Obviously we'll have to wait and see how this turns out  
St. Jimmy : 7/10/2020 10:44 pm : link
but this scary for the organization. We have heard nothing but culture and drafting football players. This guy was the exact opposite of that. All indications were, he could care less about bettering himself as a football player and now this. This guy has made Eli Apple look like a homerun. At least Apple contributed in his first year. The only thing good you could say for this guy is Sam Beal was healthy enough to get on the field and give teams a better target to go after.

I really hope the rubber meets the road soon. Outside of Barkley's first year, all we have seen from Dave Gettleman's draft picks is potential. The drafting needs to start resulting in wins soon. Unfortunately, there are circumstances beyond normal football this year.
RE: Obviously we'll have to wait and see how this turns out  
robbieballs2003 : 7/10/2020 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14931629 St. Jimmy said:
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but this scary for the organization. We have heard nothing but culture and drafting football players. This guy was the exact opposite of that. All indications were, he could care less about bettering himself as a football player and now this. This guy has made Eli Apple look like a homerun. At least Apple contributed in his first year. The only thing good you could say for this guy is Sam Beal was healthy enough to get on the field and give teams a better target to go after.

I really hope the rubber meets the road soon. Outside of Barkley's first year, all we have seen from Dave Gettleman's draft picks is potential. The drafting needs to start resulting in wins soon. Unfortunately, there are circumstances beyond normal football this year.


You are being ingenious. Outside of Barkley? DJ looked great for a rookie QB. Lawrence was awesome as a rookie. Darius Slayton proved he has a bright future. Connelly was a beast when healthy. Hernandez had a solid rookie year but took a step back as a sophomore. There has been a hell of a lot more tham potential.
RE: RE: Will the  
Ned In Atlanta : 7/10/2020 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14931565 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14931559 Ned In Atlanta said:


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“Let’s wait for the facts” crowd dare to utter a negative word about Baker now ?



This phenomenon is so odd. I’ve got no problem getting rid of him if all this is true. But the victory lap says a lot more about you guys than it does about me. If he did it he’s a piece of shit, what more would you like?

So, congrats that Baker robbing someone happened?


I’m a Georgia fan and I was excited that they drafted him. But if this was a cowboys/eagles/skins player the lynch mob would have been out in full force the second the news of the robbery broke. But there is a contingent of people on this site (for the record I don’t lump you in said contingent) that always want to give Mara/the Giants/Giants players the benefit of the doubt.
I  
AcidTest : 7/10/2020 11:13 pm : link
agree it doesn't look good, but the facts of the case have been so confusing and contradictory that we should wait for more information before making any final conclusions.
RE: Baker is not  
MookGiants : 7/10/2020 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14931543 ryanmkeane said:
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“done” yet - call me crazy but I’m not trusting shit from Pat Leonard. We all thought he was “done” when the story first broke, and now everyone seems to still be judging based on a Pat Leonard article.

Let’s just see how it plays out. IF this is legit then yes he’s probably “done” but again, let’s see.


Something tells me you saw Pat Leonard and didn't read the article.
I am not a fan of most of our writers including Leonard  
robbieballs2003 : 7/10/2020 11:20 pm : link
but this was a good job by him obtaining this.
RE: RE: ...  
ryanmkeane : 7/10/2020 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14931589 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14931585 Eric from BBI said:


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Bradford Cohen
@bradfordcohen
Replying to
@PLeonardNYDN
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@NYDNSports
This is utterly false and defamatory to Andre Baker. We do not have any affidavits from the alleged victims of this offense, nor did these "victims" change the story as to dre baker. We accused the "victims" of extortion and reported to authorities from day 1.



I am so F'ing confused.

SFG so now you are “confused?” I thought Baker was done and “good riddance” - that’s what you said earlier in the thread.

This is why people just need to relax and let this play out. Again call me crazy but I wouldn’t put my opinion of Baker on the line based on a horribly written and click bait article written by Pat Leonard - who is literally the equivalent of a tabloid writer.

Now, Baker could be really, really, really, really stupid. But if he’s only just a little stupid, he probably doesn’t send a DM to someone saying hey man where can I get you this shitload of cash I’m about to pay you off for, when you’ve been charged with a felony. Again....could be true. But we have a right to just wait until this comes to a conclusion. Yes - we are going to wait for the “facts” to come out which is literally what you’re supposed to do regarding “investigations” and “the law.” Jesus Christ it shouldn’t be this hard.
There  
MookGiants : 7/10/2020 11:27 pm : link
is no chance ryan read even 20% of the article.

The article is based on a WARRANT from the police department. He's not getting this from sources, he directly obtained the search warrant.

The DM's are from Johnson, not Baker.
Mook  
ryanmkeane : 7/10/2020 11:28 pm : link
I read the entire article. And before I read it I knew exactly what it was going to be, a shitty click bait type article with loosely based claims that are scattered all over the place with “sources” that basically amount to a tabloid piece with no finite decisions.

And yes, Pat Leonard is an absolute hack. He couldn’t care less about the facts of the case, his job is to get clicks.
RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 7/10/2020 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14931654 ryanmkeane said:
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I read the entire article. And before I read it I knew exactly what it was going to be, a shitty click bait type article with loosely based claims that are scattered all over the place with “sources” that basically amount to a tabloid piece with no finite decisions.

And yes, Pat Leonard is an absolute hack. He couldn’t care less about the facts of the case, his job is to get clicks.


The article is based on a fucking search warrant. Not loosely based claims from sources.

If you read the entire article you would know this. Just admit you read Pat Leonard and stopped there. The Daily News is awful, but they legally obtained the search warrant. Not even Leonard is dumb enough to make up things in an article based on a search warrant
Mook  
ryanmkeane : 7/10/2020 11:31 pm : link
again, I read the full article multiple times. And you’re not correct. There’s a claim in the article that says Baker messaged Johnson saying “yo I’m in the city getting cash how much to bring??”
RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 7/10/2020 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14931656 ryanmkeane said:
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again, I read the full article multiple times. And you’re not correct. There’s a claim in the article that says Baker messaged Johnson saying “yo I’m in the city getting cash how much to bring??”


Ok. How is what the search warrant actually says (written by the cop) a "claim". Is the cop going to put that in the warrant without having the proof?

Calling this a tabloid piece is asinine. It may be all over the place, but it's entirely based on the search warrant that was legally obtained. So now apparently police search warrants are tabloid pieces according to you.

Leonard didn't have "sources" here. He had the fucking search warrant from the police and the entire article is baed on that, nothing else.
Mook I know you reallllly  
ryanmkeane : 7/10/2020 11:40 pm : link
want to just call Baker a POS and have us cut him cause this is really getting under your skin, but I’m willing to wait until this thing is finalized before making that call. And yes, for the 5th time, Pat Leonard is the worst.
A warrant isn't a fact in and of istelf  
Torrag : 7/10/2020 11:45 pm : link
It's a police officer/detective interpretation and explanation of activities and events to paint a picture to a judge to obtain said warrant to obtain more evidence to build their case.

It appears they want further access to data in the accused icloud storage and perhaps other sources to strengthen their case.
Stupidity  
MookGiants : 7/10/2020 11:46 pm : link
really gets under my skin. Calling an article that is 100% based on a search warrant that the daily news obtained a tabloid piece is mind numbingly dumb.

If the author of the article was changed to adam schefter and the exact same article was written you wouldn't say something so dumb.

This is not an opinion article. It's entirely based on a search warrant that the daily news obtained.

So basically you believe that police department is nothing but a tabloid machine in their search warrants.
I don't think what that article presented was obtained from a warrant  
Torrag : 7/10/2020 11:50 pm : link
It reads to me as if it is an application to a judge for a warrant based on police information to delve further into the accused digital activities. I've read many warrants and applications. That's just my take on how it feels to me.
RE: I don't think what that article presented was obtained from a warrant  
AcidTest : 7/11/2020 12:03 am : link
In comment 14931666 Torrag said:
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It reads to me as if it is an application to a judge for a warrant based on police information to delve further into the accused digital activities. I've read many warrants and applications. That's just my take on how it feels to me.


Agreed. I am an attorney. I do not now nor have I ever practiced criminal law, but that is my interpretation.
Keep stirring the shit  
gregori : 7/11/2020 12:03 am : link
A good friend once told me his granny used to say, no shit is worse than * shit, the more you stir it the more it stinks.
From the start  
AcesUp : 7/11/2020 12:12 am : link
There was a police report, not an article, with multiple witnesses identifying Baker as the dude that pulled a gun on people and robbed them. This is at a party where multiple people happen to have 5 figures of cash on them. A couple of days later, some of those reports change. So...either there was coercion involved (most likely) or some sort of conspiracy to extort NFL players using the police. Possible I guess, but most people that travel in circles that carry 5 figures in cash don’t like to interact with the police. Neither really paint Baker in the best light and one scenario didn’t really add up.

The whole “wait for the facts” segment always seemed to be ignoring the facts from the start.
RE: RE: RE: Will the  
UConn4523 : 7/11/2020 12:38 am : link
In comment 14931638 Ned In Atlanta said:
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In comment 14931565 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 14931559 Ned In Atlanta said:


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“Let’s wait for the facts” crowd dare to utter a negative word about Baker now ?



This phenomenon is so odd. I’ve got no problem getting rid of him if all this is true. But the victory lap says a lot more about you guys than it does about me. If he did it he’s a piece of shit, what more would you like?

So, congrats that Baker robbing someone happened?



I’m a Georgia fan and I was excited that they drafted him. But if this was a cowboys/eagles/skins player the lynch mob would have been out in full force the second the news of the robbery broke. But there is a contingent of people on this site (for the record I don’t lump you in said contingent) that always want to give Mara/the Giants/Giants players the benefit of the doubt.


So what, that’s what fans do. But the result would be the same - if the player was innocent than no harm no foul in calling him a POS, if he’s guilty then we can all rejoice and laugh at them.

Some people really want Baker to be guilty to justify their outrageous behavior when it was initially reported. That’s far worse than giving the organization the benefit of the doubt (usually my stance). This isn’t court but isn’t it reasonable to want to know what happened before making final judgements on the whole ordeal?
Baker  
Dragon : 7/11/2020 12:46 am : link
Did he not watch The Godfather hate to say it but those were not offers I could not refuse. He offered even less than he reportedly robbed and one person got 5,000 to share with some one else. The real sad part of this whole incident is that your gambling lose money then brilliantly think I’ll just steal it back and drive away. This from an NFL player whose annual salary is close to 1 mill with a decent chance to increase that tremendously in the future. Did this guy really obtain a high school degree and complete four years at Georgia university and his mind still works like that? His lawyer at one point said he’s been scared straight guess the lawyer does not know what being straight means either.

Now to the football side of this Next Man Up Mr. Baker appears to headed to the big house with a number on his back. What are the cap impact when he given his walking papers how much will the Giants still contractually be responsible for.
Glad ...  
Brown_Hornet : 7/11/2020 1:35 am : link
...he’s working out.
victims were extorting baker  
xman : 7/11/2020 2:28 am : link
he set them up
OK folks here are arguing about information  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/11/2020 3:19 am : link
a "warrant" contains and Mook you are claiming, several times in fact, that a "warrant issued by the police" is an obviously and indisputably factual text.

Sorry but you have shit for brains and know nothing and are certainly not a criminal defense attorney.

"Warrants" can be and are (sometimes at least) written by DA's or ADAs and can be full of shit all in an of themselves, based on half truths or partial truths or misleading pieced together facts that are damn close to outright lies.

Warrants serve several possible functions: among those is the acquisition of evidence and/or the arrest of alleged criminal parties - but for sure a "Warrant" is NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING.

Does it look very bad for Baker? Sure. But if you think "Warrants" issued by ANYONE in the Law Enforcement or Criminal Justice System are bound to be akin to Biblical Truths....


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


This shit I know for fucking sure, from experience.
so fn tired of people blaming the reporter  
Shirk130 : 7/11/2020 7:08 am : link
when they don't like the facts, it's lazy and inane.
RE: RE: Will the  
Big Blue '56 : 7/11/2020 7:13 am : link
In comment 14931617 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14931559 Ned In Atlanta said:


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“Let’s wait for the facts” crowd dare to utter a negative word about Baker now ?


Are you that fucking dense??

Are you really saying people shouldn't wait for facts? No wonder there is such a shitstorm going on with social media - takes like this.


JFC!
I don’t need  
Big Al : 7/11/2020 7:27 am : link
no stinking facts. I read the accusations on the internet.
If warrants..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/11/2020 7:30 am : link
are indisputable documents, what the fuck do we need trials for?
RE: If warrants..  
Big Blue '56 : 7/11/2020 7:33 am : link
In comment 14931717 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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are indisputable documents, what the fuck do we need trials for?


😂😂
RE: If warrants..  
Big Al : 7/11/2020 8:06 am : link
In comment 14931717 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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are indisputable documents, what the fuck do we need trials for?
Trials are obviously a flaw of English Common Law.
RE: I am not a fan of most of our writers including Leonard  
johnnyb : 7/11/2020 8:10 am : link
In comment 14931648 robbieballs2003 said:
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but this was a good job by him obtaining this.


Really?
RE: If warrants..  
UConn4523 : 7/11/2020 8:23 am : link
In comment 14931717 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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are indisputable documents, what the fuck do we need trials for?


Haha, was thinking the same thing.

It’s the MO of some of the regulars that only show up on threads like this, they hate certain picks so when something bad happens to said player, or it doesn’t work out for X reason, we get these lovely posts that defy logic and reason.

Maybe Baker did it, and if so I hope he’s found guilty of it and we cut him. But until then I’m going to not smash my desk demanding justice, screaming at posters on the internet for not hating Baker along side of me.
RE: RE: I am not a fan of most of our writers including Leonard  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2020 8:30 am : link
In comment 14931729 johnnyb said:
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In comment 14931648 robbieballs2003 said:


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but this was a good job by him obtaining this.



Really?


Yeah. Everybody can jump to conclusions, myself included, on what it actually means and what transpired but it was a good job obtaining it even if the article wasn't written well. Is this not news? Is this not a story?
Dunbar looks worse in this than Baker at this point  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 7/11/2020 8:38 am : link
Based on what Baker’s attorney said, they may have been smoking these guys out. I think Dunbar just hired a new attorney so... but time will tell.
Is it really possible for someone to pass a state BAR exam,  
Spider56 : 7/11/2020 9:03 am : link
and still be dumb enough to be involved in a shit storm like this?
Leonard seems to be better at investigative reporting  
LBH15 : 7/11/2020 9:05 am : link
than sports. He should transfer to crime department at the paper.
RE: Dunbar looks worse in this than Baker at this point  
shyster : 7/11/2020 9:26 am : link
In comment 14931736 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Based on what Baker’s attorney said, they may have been smoking these guys out. I think Dunbar just hired a new attorney so... but time will tell.


Bradford Cohen's statement says nothing about a "smoke out" or "set up". Cohen is very careful with his words and this is his case, not Patrick Patel's.

Advising a client to engage in facially criminal conduct without the unambiguous participation of law enforcement in the "sting" would be a reckless act; no chance Cohen would do that.

Also, if things went down the way Patel claims and the case went to trial, who would have to get on the witness stand and testify to the "smoke out"? The attorneys, themselves?

Testifying means being under oath, under penalty of perjury. As HomerJ45 points out in other thread, attorneys don't put themselves in that position, certainly not an attorney as sensible as Cohen.

Cohen says he reported extortion against Baker and that I believe. But the question is: when, exactly, did Cohen find out that Baker had been approached, and what did Baker say/message/do before Cohen could get control of the situation?
RE: Is it really possible for someone to pass a state BAR exam,  
Big Al : 7/11/2020 9:58 am : link
In comment 14931746 Spider56 said:
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and still be dumb enough to be involved in a shit storm like this?
Yes.Someone I knew.
Hey, Big Al  
Bob in Vt : 7/11/2020 10:40 am : link
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Anakin is a trusted and reliable poster. You shouldn't out him like that.

Lol, j/k
These things are clear to me:  
trueblueinpw : 7/11/2020 10:47 am : link
Much, if not all of this is Pat Leonard’s fault.

People who did not condemn Baker when this was first reported are ruining BBI, the internet and the Giants.

Warrants are filled with the lies of police and prosecutors and people who don’t know this are to be cursed!

Apparently there aren’t enough questions about the discovery of Instagram or SMS on the Florida bar exam.

Dumb people are attracted to each other.

Madden ruins lives.

Baker finna leave yooooooo
If true  
XBRONX : 7/11/2020 11:14 am : link
he better have momma sell her car.
RE: RE: Obviously we'll have to wait and see how this turns out  
St. Jimmy : 7/11/2020 11:19 am : link
In comment 14931634 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14931629 St. Jimmy said:


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but this scary for the organization. We have heard nothing but culture and drafting football players. This guy was the exact opposite of that. All indications were, he could care less about bettering himself as a football player and now this. This guy has made Eli Apple look like a homerun. At least Apple contributed in his first year. The only thing good you could say for this guy is Sam Beal was healthy enough to get on the field and give teams a better target to go after.

I really hope the rubber meets the road soon. Outside of Barkley's first year, all we have seen from Dave Gettleman's draft picks is potential. The drafting needs to start resulting in wins soon. Unfortunately, there are circumstances beyond normal football this year.



You are being ingenious. Outside of Barkley? DJ looked great for a rookie QB. Lawrence was awesome as a rookie. Darius Slayton proved he has a bright future. Connelly was a beast when healthy. Hernandez had a solid rookie year but took a step back as a sophomore. There has been a hell of a lot more tham potential.
I agree guys have shown promise. I think it is time for the promise to start translating to wins. A lot of they guys who looked good from 2018 regressed last year. Hopefully that was the coaching issue.
Agreed  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2020 11:47 am : link
.
RE: RE: RE: I am not a fan of most of our writers including Leonard  
johnnyb : 7/11/2020 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14931734 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14931729 johnnyb said:


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In comment 14931648 robbieballs2003 said:


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but this was a good job by him obtaining this.



Really?



Yeah. Everybody can jump to conclusions, myself included, on what it actually means and what transpired but it was a good job obtaining it even if the article wasn't written well. Is this not news? Is this not a story?


A good reporter tells the whole story and does not put out a half story to be the first to get it out. I will wait for all the facts to come out, rather than jump to conclusions, before I congratulate Pat Leonard on doing a "good job".
RE: RE: RE: RE: I am not a fan of most of our writers including Leonard  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2020 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14931869 johnnyb said:
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In comment 14931734 robbieballs2003 said:


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In comment 14931729 johnnyb said:


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In comment 14931648 robbieballs2003 said:


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but this was a good job by him obtaining this.



Really?



Yeah. Everybody can jump to conclusions, myself included, on what it actually means and what transpired but it was a good job obtaining it even if the article wasn't written well. Is this not news? Is this not a story?



A good reporter tells the whole story and does not put out a half story to be the first to get it out. I will wait for all the facts to come out, rather than jump to conclusions, before I congratulate Pat Leonard on doing a "good job".


Come on. The whole story? This is an ongoing investigation. Stop.
shyster  
ColHowPepper : 7/11/2020 3:00 pm : link
agree with your take, but I can also see Baker, who does not appear to have acquitted himself with any smarts through all of this, panicking and jumping at Johnson's/Grieco's (?) offer to 'get rid of the whole mess' via payoff, without stopping to think and call Cohen. Quick takes far more palatable.
.  
MOOPS : 7/11/2020 6:54 pm : link
"That MoFo is toast."

-Elvis Patterson
RE: RE: Only Saul Goodman's Name is Missing  
Canton : 7/12/2020 10:21 am : link
In comment 14931587 Eric from BBI said:
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That article is such an indecipherable mishmash i'm adopting a wait and see attitude.



I said weeks ago to get Saul on the case!


Mike would’ve handled it MUCH better .
This is one case where I think we truly have to wait for the trial  
Matt M. : 7/12/2020 3:21 pm : link
There are multiple versions of this story, with both attorneys for the suspects seemingly involved in dirty, unethical, and perhaps illegal activities to try to clear their clients. The old adage of there are 3 versions to every story; your version, my version, and the truth doesn't even apply here, as there seems to be way more versions.

Even if found not guilty, this just doesn't have good optics for Baker. Regardless of innocence or guilt, or levels of each, I think it is becoming more obvious that he put himself poor situations with high probability of negative outcomes, to say the least.
RE: This is one case where I think we truly have to wait for the trial  
SGMen : 7/12/2020 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14932191 Matt M. said:
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There are multiple versions of this story, with both attorneys for the suspects seemingly involved in dirty, unethical, and perhaps illegal activities to try to clear their clients. The old adage of there are 3 versions to every story; your version, my version, and the truth doesn't even apply here, as there seems to be way more versions.

Even if found not guilty, this just doesn't have good optics for Baker. Regardless of innocence or guilt, or levels of each, I think it is becoming more obvious that he put himself poor situations with high probability of negative outcomes, to say the least.
I'm going to also step back and wait to see what happens in the weeks ahead. If this goes to trial after-all, Baker isn't involved in our limited camp and perhaps even misses the season. Who knows.
But this whole thing is just, well, CRAZY!
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