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NYP: DeAndre Baker did *not* pay off witnesses (per lawyer)

bLiTz 2k : 7/11/2020 1:48 am
I kinda feel like this article needed its own thread...

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To me it looks like that lawyer Patel is in some deep shit himself  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/11/2020 2:23 am : link
...LOL that would just be hilarious.
I'll trust a story from Schwartz  
David B. : 7/11/2020 2:38 am : link
over Twat Leonard any day.
RE: To me it looks like that lawyer Patel is in some deep shit himself  
TrueBlue56 : 7/11/2020 6:01 am : link
In comment 14931675 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...LOL that would just be hilarious.


How is Patel in trouble? I don't see too much discrepancy from what bakers lawyers have been saying all along. They were saying it was blackmail all along.

If anything it is Dunbar's lawyer who can be facing a lot of trouble. First, the potential lawsuit by bakers lawyers for what he put out there (the picture with text implicating it was baker) and now all of these messages, the pay off and testimony changes all taking place in his office building.
I think it’s safe  
Stufftherun : 7/11/2020 6:22 am : link
to say something happened but what’s even more interesting is what appears to be some dirty pool between counsel on both sides. Where did they find these dirty fuckers?! On the back page of some mailer?!
Here's what I don't get.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2020 6:23 am : link
They "attempted" to pay them off. They are saying it it was fake but how does that state that Baker is innocent? Just because someone was willing to take money in the first place doesn't mean their original story wasn't true. Just seems shady all around.

Is there new information that we haven't seen stating the alleged victims admitted to extorting Baker and Dunbar? Why are they not counter-suing them for extortion?
Well the counter suing  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2020 6:29 am : link
Isn't correct since the alleged victims aren't suing them. And this would have to take place in civil court.

But let me restate this. If all this was reported to the FBI then why has the FBI not arrested these alleged victims if it is clear they were trying to extort money from Baker and Dunbar? That part doesn't make sense to me.
RE: Here's what I don't get.  
Stufftherun : 7/11/2020 6:34 am : link
In comment 14931688 robbieballs2003 said:
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They "attempted" to pay them off. They are saying it it was fake but how does that state that Baker is innocent? Just because someone was willing to take money in the first place doesn't mean their original story wasn't true. Just seems shady all around.

Is there new information that we haven't seen stating the alleged victims admitted to extorting Baker and Dunbar? Why are they not counter-suing them for extortion?


It’s a little early in the am but my interpretation is, this Johnson character appears to be manipulative thusly Patel is claiming Johnson is on the take and they attempted to entrap him. I don’t know, it’s all so F’d up!
Yeah but all the messages that came out  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2020 6:39 am : link
sounds like he's on Baker's side saying he got them to change their stories. Now, it makes sense because those messages seem to be between Baker and him.

But just because all that happened doesn't mean they were trying to extort Baker and Dunbar. Maybe they were or maybe they weren't but nothing that was released so far changes anything for me. I think that is why they are hoping they can access their other messages to find out but that seems like a Hail Mary to me from the lawyers' perspective.
RE: Well the counter suing  
section125 : 7/11/2020 6:40 am : link
In comment 14931689 robbieballs2003 said:
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Isn't correct since the alleged victims aren't suing them. And this would have to take place in civil court.

But let me restate this. If all this was reported to the FBI then why has the FBI not arrested these alleged victims if it is clear they were trying to extort money from Baker and Dunbar? That part doesn't make sense to me.


IDK one way or the other what happened, but just because the FBI hasn't arrested anyone doesn't mean a thing. They may very well be building a case and not ready to act ....

or

there is no there, there.
RE: RE: Well the counter suing  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2020 6:42 am : link
In comment 14931694 section125 said:
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In comment 14931689 robbieballs2003 said:


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Isn't correct since the alleged victims aren't suing them. And this would have to take place in civil court.

But let me restate this. If all this was reported to the FBI then why has the FBI not arrested these alleged victims if it is clear they were trying to extort money from Baker and Dunbar? That part doesn't make sense to me.



IDK one way or the other what happened, but just because the FBI hasn't arrested anyone doesn't mean a thing. They may very well be building a case and not ready to act ....

or

there is no there, there.


True. My point is that if it is so blatant as the lawyers have been stating from day 1 you'd think it would have been done by now as this was almost 2 months ago.
If the lawyer said it  
Bubba : 7/11/2020 6:44 am : link
then it must be true.
If a reporter said it  
RicFlair : 7/11/2020 6:49 am : link
It must be true.
I have a question for lawyers.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2020 6:52 am : link
If Baker had a warrant out for his arrest is Baker's lawyer allowed to use him in a scheme like this to "flush out" the truth?
RE: I'll trust a story from Schwartz  
Victor in CT : 7/11/2020 7:11 am : link
In comment 14931677 David B. said:
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over Twat Leonard any day.


BINGO! Leonard is the biggest asshole in a trade full of them.

But at this point, looks like a trial is coming.
To those who say, “what a surprise, BB’56 saying he’ll wait  
Big Blue '56 : 7/11/2020 7:20 am : link
for the facts,” I will ALWAYS do that, be it sports or life in general. Oh and GFY..😎
Report: Warrant suggests DeAndre Baker, Quinton Dunbar paid off  
M.S. : 7/11/2020 7:21 am : link

Robbery victims to cover up crime

Posted by Chris Cwik of Yahoo Sports on July 10, 2020 at 9:13 PM.



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RE: Report: Warrant suggests DeAndre Baker, Quinton Dunbar paid off  
TrueBlue56 : 7/11/2020 8:10 am : link
In comment 14931714 M.S. said:
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Robbery victims to cover up crime

Posted by Chris Cwik of Yahoo Sports on July 10, 2020 at 9:13 PM.

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That article is off of pat Leonard's article
I guess  
Lines of Scrimmage : 7/11/2020 8:25 am : link
we have to wait to see how it plays out. If he is cleared he better perform well.

At least they added a lot of pickups in the secondary and maybe Beal steps up.
If anything  
TrueBlue56 : 7/11/2020 8:30 am : link
I think pat Leonard's article makes dunbar look a lot worse than baker.

Consider that this guy johnson was at Dunbar's attorneys office when according to the article, paid off the victims.

Also according to the article by video there was an unidentified person who gave the money to johnson to pay off the victims. Was it on behalf of Dunbar or baker?

If bakers lawyers are being truthful, then they can account for bakers whereabouts as well as document their contact with the FBI to report the messages.

There isn't much in pat Leonard's article that directly implicates baker, which is why the police are seeking more warrants.

This story will continue to change until it goes to trial and hopefully the facts will all come out then
RE: I have a question for lawyers.  
HomerJones45 : 7/11/2020 8:49 am : link
In comment 14931701 robbieballs2003 said:
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If Baker had a warrant out for his arrest is Baker's lawyer allowed to use him in a scheme like this to "flush out" the truth?
Patel is looking like the Baghdad Bob of the legal profession.

This is cloak and dagger stuff that the attorney hires an investigator to do so the attorney does not end up being a witness.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/11/2020 9:37 am : link
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Spoke with Baker's attorney Bradford Cohen this AM. He says they have been in contact with federal + local authorities from start about blackmail attempt from alleged victims. Claims victims threatened to "go to the press" if not paid. That + more...
Lawyers for Seahawks' Quinton Dunbar, Giants' DeAndre Baker deny report of cover-up - ( New Window )
Based on the new development  
aGiantGuy : 7/11/2020 9:37 am : link
I would assume this was all done to attack the validity of “coach” and the 4 alleged victims who produced affidavits. I don’t see how a jury will respect the character and integrity of these 5 witnesses, making a dismissal likely.

I mean it seems as if the detective is helping Baker’s lawyer build grounds for dismissal, which is a good sign.

But I’m sure more will be revealed. I will stay tuned
I will say if this was a movie it would suck  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2020 9:40 am : link
because nobody would believe half the shit that happened. Lol.
from the ESPN article  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/11/2020 9:40 am : link
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Grieco called the report false.

"Law enforcement, both local and federal, was advised from day one and beyond that the alleged 'victims' in this case were actively extorting Baker and Dunbar," he told the Seattle Times. "These men fabricated a robbery story after waiting an hour to call police and then immediately began contacting the players demanding money.

"My office obtained accurate and truthful affidavits consistent with the independent witness and my client's account. These 'victims' are seasoned career criminals who have been arrested and/or convicted of crimes ranging from conspiracy to commit murder, to human trafficking, to filing a false police report. Mr. Dunbar took and passed a polygraph confirming that he did not participate or witness any robbery."

Baker's attorney, Bradford Cohen, says that they too have been in contact with federal and local authorities from the start about the blackmail attempt from the alleged victims. He claims the victims threatened to "go to the press" and said, "If we don't get paid, we're going to TMZ."
RE: RE: Report: Warrant suggests DeAndre Baker, Quinton Dunbar paid off  
M.S. : 7/11/2020 9:45 am : link
In comment 14931728 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 14931714 M.S. said:


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Robbery victims to cover up crime

Posted by Chris Cwik of Yahoo Sports on July 10, 2020 at 9:13 PM.

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That article is off of pat Leonard's article

Thanks for clarification.
Everyone jumping on  
ryanmkeane : 7/11/2020 10:18 am : link
Leonard’s article was hilarious to me. He’s a tabloid “journalist” who gets destroyed weekly on this board and yet when he broke this story without any actual “reporting” that was backed up by anything, everyone just assumed it was true because you guys want to see Baker go down. Everyone all of a sudden forgot that Leonard’s job is to get clicks and not to report anything of substance.

As we’ve said from the get go, let’s just wait and see. Baker could still be guilty and go to jail, who the fuck knows at this point. We all need to take a step back and just see what happens.
RE: Everyone jumping on  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/11/2020 10:21 am : link
In comment 14931777 ryanmkeane said:
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Leonard’s article was hilarious to me. He’s a tabloid “journalist” who gets destroyed weekly on this board and yet when he broke this story without any actual “reporting” that was backed up by anything, everyone just assumed it was true because you guys want to see Baker go down. Everyone all of a sudden forgot that Leonard’s job is to get clicks and not to report anything of substance.

As we’ve said from the get go, let’s just wait and see. Baker could still be guilty and go to jail, who the fuck knows at this point. We all need to take a step back and just see what happens.


I'm wary of even doing a front-page update at this point until things settle a bit more.
Oh and that other  
ryanmkeane : 7/11/2020 10:22 am : link
“BREAKING NEWS” source telling Leonard that he doesn’t expect Giants to keep Baker on the roster much longer....that’s made up as well.
Here's my question  
Joey in VA : 7/11/2020 10:22 am : link
If Baker and Dunbar made off with jewls (sp) and cash, wouldn't a search warrant for these expensive items have taken place? If a watch in excess of $20k is stolen, did anyone attempt to find it?
Eric I think  
ryanmkeane : 7/11/2020 10:22 am : link
that’s a good idea.
Hopefully Sam Beal  
LBH15 : 7/11/2020 10:26 am : link
is getting himself ready for his opportunity.
Nobody  
AcidTest : 7/11/2020 10:29 am : link
knows what will happen. There are conflicting and confusing stories and claims. It will all eventually be resolved, but assuming anything right now is premature and unwise.
This is what I've been speculating about since the get-go...  
Milton : 7/11/2020 10:45 am : link
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"These 'victims' are seasoned career criminals who have been arrested and/or convicted of crimes ranging from conspiracy to commit murder, to human trafficking, to filing a false police report."
The NFL is gonna question Baker and Dunbar about their connections to these guys. What were they doing at a party full of criminals? A dismissal doesn't automatically get Baker off the hook with the NFL.
RE: Nobody  
Percy : 7/11/2020 11:01 am : link
In comment 14931785 AcidTest said:
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knows what will happen. There are conflicting and confusing stories and claims. It will all eventually be resolved, but assuming anything right now is premature and unwise.

It will all be cleared up before the next season -- in 2021.
RE: Here's my question  
Big Al : 7/11/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 14931781 Joey in VA said:
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If Baker and Dunbar made off with jewls (sp) and cash, wouldn't a search warrant for these expensive items have taken place? If a watch in excess of $20k is stolen, did anyone attempt to find it?
It is spelled “ jewles”.
So Baker was/is being extorted by witnesses,  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/11/2020 11:28 am : link
but his lawyer didn't feel the need to speak up about it until AFTER the news came out that he is paying witnesses.

Is this the same lawyer who said the charges would be dropped and Baker would be cleared of all charges within the week ions ago?

What a joke.
RE: RE: Here's my question  
jnoble : 7/11/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 14931795 Big Al said:
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In comment 14931781 Joey in VA said:


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If Baker and Dunbar made off with jewls (sp) and cash, wouldn't a search warrant for these expensive items have taken place? If a watch in excess of $20k is stolen, did anyone attempt to find it?

It is spelled “ jewles”.


And they were just regular
Who knows what to think/believe  
90.Cal : 7/11/2020 11:39 am : link
Still sounds ridiculous. At the end of the day no matter what it is still a awful look for Baker and for this franchise using a 1st round pick on him... hope he gets cleared and turns into a pro bowl corner... but let's be real, what is the likelyhood of that? Almost zero chance...
RE: RE: To me it looks like that lawyer Patel is in some deep shit himself  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/11/2020 11:50 am : link
In comment 14931686 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 14931675 sb from NYT Forum said:


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...LOL that would just be hilarious.



How is Patel in trouble? I don't see too much discrepancy from what bakers lawyers have been saying all along. They were saying it was blackmail all along.

If anything it is Dunbar's lawyer who can be facing a lot of trouble. First, the potential lawsuit by bakers lawyers for what he put out there (the picture with text implicating it was baker) and now all of these messages, the pay off and testimony changes all taking place in his office building.


Did you even read the article?

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Patel said he, Baker and Cohen were in Patel’s house in Fort Lauderdale during the messaging between Baker and Johnson, who has known Baker since Baker’s childhood and was at the house party. Patel said he and Cohen instructed Baker to find out as much as they could from Johnson, called “Coach’’ in the warrant.

“We were with DeAndre telling him, ‘Write him, ask him, what does he want, what times does he want to meet?’ ’’ Patel said. “We were the ones who controlled the narrative. Baker had no intention of ever going.


Patel admits he directed Baker in this? And they were "controlling a narrative?" IMO that sounds a lot like witness tampering.
RE: Who knows what to think/believe  
Milton : 7/11/2020 11:50 am : link
In comment 14931815 90.Cal said:
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Still sounds ridiculous. At the end of the day no matter what it is still a awful look for Baker and for this franchise using a 1st round pick on him... hope he gets cleared and turns into a pro bowl corner... but let's be real, what is the likelyhood of that? Almost zero chance...
Yeah at this point I'll be happy if they're able to get out from under the rest of the guaranteed money, but we can always hope...
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Big Al  
gmenrule : 7/11/2020 11:51 am : link
incorrect. It is spelled jewels.
Yeah that's it  
ghost718 : 7/11/2020 12:13 pm : link
They got em right where they want em
I am so confused & tired of this  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/11/2020 12:17 pm : link
drama.
RE: RE: RE: To me it looks like that lawyer Patel is in some deep shit himself  
TrueBlue56 : 7/11/2020 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14931818 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 14931686 TrueBlue56 said:


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In comment 14931675 sb from NYT Forum said:


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...LOL that would just be hilarious.



How is Patel in trouble? I don't see too much discrepancy from what bakers lawyers have been saying all along. They were saying it was blackmail all along.

If anything it is Dunbar's lawyer who can be facing a lot of trouble. First, the potential lawsuit by bakers lawyers for what he put out there (the picture with text implicating it was baker) and now all of these messages, the pay off and testimony changes all taking place in his office building.



Did you even read the article?



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Patel said he, Baker and Cohen were in Patel’s house in Fort Lauderdale during the messaging between Baker and Johnson, who has known Baker since Baker’s childhood and was at the house party. Patel said he and Cohen instructed Baker to find out as much as they could from Johnson, called “Coach’’ in the warrant.

“We were with DeAndre telling him, ‘Write him, ask him, what does he want, what times does he want to meet?’ ’’ Patel said. “We were the ones who controlled the narrative. Baker had no intention of ever going.



Patel admits he directed Baker in this? And they were "controlling a narrative?" IMO that sounds a lot like witness tampering.


Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.

Witness tampering occurs when someone attempts to cause a person to testify falsely, withhold testimony or information, or be absent from any proceeding to which the witness has been summoned.

If anything, Dunbar's lawyer has more issues considering that a pay off occurred in his office building and Johnson was sending messages asking for money from the same office.

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One of the four victims says “he was being directed that he didn’t see what he thought he saw” on the night of the alleged armed robbery, the warrant states. And the victim who received $5,000 said Grieco walked back into the office “just after the transaction had occurred” and said “there is no way he (Grieco) could not have seen this transaction.”
RE: I guess  
Carson53 : 7/11/2020 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14931732 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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we have to wait to see how it plays out. If he is cleared he better perform well.

At least they added a lot of pickups in the secondary and maybe Beal steps up.
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^
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RE: RE: RE: RE: To me it looks like that lawyer Patel is in some deep shit himself  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/11/2020 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14931832 TrueBlue56 said:
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Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.


Ha, yeah, sure they contacted the FBI...according to Patel, who has been full of shit for two months.

So, while Baker is evading an arrest warrant, he and his lawyers direct a friend of his to engage in a bribery scheme with the witnesses that made made statements to the police the night of the incident. And that's not potentially witness tampering? Ha ha ha ha ha.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: To me it looks like that lawyer Patel is in some deep shit himself  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/11/2020 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14931841 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 14931832 TrueBlue56 said:


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Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.



Ha, yeah, sure they contacted the FBI...according to Patel, who has been full of shit for two months.

So, while Baker is evading an arrest warrant, he and his lawyers direct a friend of his to engage in a bribery scheme with the witnesses that made made statements to the police the night of the incident. And that's not potentially witness tampering? Ha ha ha ha ha.


Oh, and do you think that a the local police would have no heads up from the FBI that this was an alleged blackmail? Of course they would. The FBI would be working on this WITH the local authorities if they knew about it, and would tell the local detective not to include this info in a public document.
RE: I am so confused & tired of this  
AcidTest : 7/11/2020 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14931830 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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drama.


+1.
SFG  
Bill2 : 7/11/2020 1:26 pm : link
Fully agree. on a fan level, Ive moved on from and about this guy.

Next man up
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: To me it looks like that lawyer Patel is in some deep shit himself  
TrueBlue56 : 7/11/2020 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14931841 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 14931832 TrueBlue56 said:


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Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.



Ha, yeah, sure they contacted the FBI...according to Patel, who has been full of shit for two months.

So, while Baker is evading an arrest warrant, he and his lawyers direct a friend of his to engage in a bribery scheme with the witnesses that made made statements to the police the night of the incident. And that's not potentially witness tampering? Ha ha ha ha ha.


Turning yourself in less than 48 hours after an arrest warrant was issued is now considered evading?

The lawyers for baker have consistently said from the beginning that this has been a scheme all along to blackmail baker. That narrative from bakers lawyers has not changed even after pat Leonard's article.

If Patel or Cohen never told the authorities, then they made claims in every article put out there that had them quoted. Also, the lawyers for baker never said they had statements from the victims recanting their allegations. They had statements from other people who were there that deny the allegations.

The facts will come out in a trial and we will all see who knew what and who said what to who. Until then it is a whole lot of he said, she said.
RE: RE: I am so confused & tired of this  
WeekendLife56 : 7/11/2020 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14931849 AcidTest said:
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drama.



+1.

+2
All  
AcidTest : 7/11/2020 2:19 pm : link
of this reminds me of the old line from Mark Twain: "The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it."
I'm a bit confused.....  
Simms11 : 7/11/2020 2:28 pm : link
so they paid off victims, that they supposedly robbed, to be quiet?! WTF?! Something is not right about this whole mess. I suppose that's why it hasn't been resolved with charges being dropped yet.
RE: All  
Saquads26 : 7/11/2020 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14931867 AcidTest said:
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of this reminds me of the old line from Mark Twain: "The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it."


Yep nor is it worth the energy to try. If he’s back great. If not, next man up. Too many other much more important things to focus on right now than DeAndre Baker.
I'm a Dave Gettleman fan  
M.S. : 7/11/2020 3:23 pm : link

But when he's finally shown the door, they're gonna pin on him his trade up into Round One for DeAndre Baker.

RE: I'm a Dave Gettleman fan  
LeonBright45 : 7/11/2020 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14931889 M.S. said:
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But when he's finally shown the door, they're gonna pin on him his trade up into Round One for DeAndre Baker.


I hope they do pin it on Gettleman. I hope that Baker is exonerated and becomes an annual invitee to speak at the rookie symposium. I hope that he stays out of trouble and goes on to have a great career and people can pin it all on Dave Gettleman.
RE: I'm a Dave Gettleman fan  
Bill L : 7/11/2020 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14931889 M.S. said:
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But when he's finally shown the door, they're gonna pin on him his trade up into Round One for DeAndre Baker.

I’m sure it will happen and to me it would be wrong. This is purely random shit. And random shit happens.
Even without  
XBRONX : 7/11/2020 6:02 pm : link
this episode. So far all we have seen is a who gives a shit attitude.
Regardless of what happens and the "facts" and such  
SGMen : 7/11/2020 8:41 pm : link
This whole situation and this whole off-season has sucked.

First, trading up for BAKER knowing he had attitude issues was likely a bad idea, and not only because of this arrest robbery issue. You don't trade up for "problem child" types with 4.52 speed for CB. But what is done is done so lets hope this is dropped, Baker mostly exonerated, Baker suspended and Baker a strong Giant.

But my guess is the Giants may just part with him anyway and void the contract if they can.
I like Gettleman. He’s been around long enough. So.. is a gamler  
NYRiese : 7/11/2020 9:45 pm : link
he gambled on Baker and so far he is losing.
Let’s hope he knew the good and bad before the draft. If not the Giants got problems.
Video  
Dragon : 7/12/2020 1:07 am : link
I just don’t get it where is it a guy goes out to eat starts a fight it’s on world wide video 5 minutes later, a reported robbery at an outdoor Party event and no video?
RE: I like Gettleman. He’s been around long enough. So.. is a gamler  
SGMen : 7/12/2020 7:53 am : link
In comment 14931993 NYRiese said:
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he gambled on Baker and so far he is losing.
Let’s hope he knew the good and bad before the draft. If not the Giants got problems.
Best case scenario, we find out that the payoffs were pursued by the witnesses in a scam rather than by Baker to "get away with it" and so forth.
The charges are dropped.
The NFL suspends four games.
Baker may still get cut for being "who he is" which is apparently a "less than average character" guy!
I realize Gettleman gambled as Baker was ranked as high as 15th on some draft boards but fell for .... drum roll .... character issues I do believe.
You gamble and win big or you gamble and lose big. I don't know what will happen here but so far it doesn't look good at all.
RE: So Baker was/is being extorted by witnesses,  
ColHowPepper : 7/12/2020 9:43 am : link
In comment 14931806 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but his lawyer didn't feel the need to speak up about it until AFTER the news came out that he is paying witnesses.
Is this the same lawyer who said the charges would be dropped and Baker would be cleared of all charges within the week ions ago? What a joke.
Reading the lines and between them:
- No, Patel is the perpetual 'Baker will be exonerated' lawyer; Cohen is the head of his firm, much more lawyerly, cautious than Patel (who may may not be long for Cohen's firm, unless Cohen is comfortable with entertainment TMZ type publicity).
- Seems to me Johnson/Coach 'introduced' Baker/Dunbar to this Madden lawn party group of gems (aka jewls/jewels lol)
- Seems to me, then, that Johnson felt responsible for a lawn party gone bad, and felt obliged to intervene, to 'help'
- As to extortion being beyond the pale here? It is completely consistent, as one theory of the case, for Baker/Dunbar to have done bad things at the party and then to be extorted by the 'victims'
- It's also a completely consistent theory of the case for Baker/Dunbar not to done bad things and to be extorted. What was Johnson thinking in concocting this flammable mix?
- I'm with ryan and others in thinking it is hilarious, classic BBI, to character assassinate Leonard for having done some relevant and original digging that may be very significant to outcomes, regardless of legal outcomes, which may be a long way off
- it's even more hilarious to praise Schwartz' story and to crucify Leonard's when the former was based entirely on the latter. I agree that it seems Leonard's was hastily written: he knew it might be dynamite, was breathless to throw shade (agree, not pretty there).
- agree with whoever above said Leonard's discovery sounded closer to an application for a warrant than the warrant itself. Leonard is obviously not an experienced crime reporter. Nevertheless, the assertions made in the application, if this is what it is, are flammable, even if just the prosecutorial side of the narrative.
I think Ryan was ripping Leonard for this article  
robbieballs2003 : 7/12/2020 9:59 am : link
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I’m not trying to be a dick  
ryanmkeane : 7/12/2020 10:43 am : link
about this but I genuinely think people are confused about my stance. I don’t have a legal opinion of everything going on with Baker. Just trying to see how it plays out and if he’s cleared, he’s cleared. If he’s not, he’s not. It’s pretty much as simple as that and until we get clarity it’s gonna be muddy.

I do, however, have a stance on Pat Leonard, regardless of this “breaking news” search warrant article he wrote, “broke.” Pat Leonard is not a journalist, he doesn’t break news, he doesn’t report any type of legal findings or news, and he isn’t anything other than a click bait back page writer just trying to drum up views for NYDN.

I’ve been pretty clear on that. Pat Leonard will never be someone you can trust with the “facts” about anything, especially regarding a criminal investigation.
Ryan it’s as simple as this with many on BBI  
UConn4523 : 7/12/2020 10:53 am : link
if you aren’t outraged about whatever bad is happening to the Giants than you are an apologist or homer.

Conversations like the ones I sift through and am sometimes a part of on BBI never happen in my circle of NFL fan friends. We have different rooting interests, incomes, political stances etc and we never argue about crap like this to this extent. It’s really strange.

I’m taking the same approach you are - if he’s guilty he’s guilty and I want him gone and if he isn’t I hope he learns from this ordeal and becomes a contributing factor for this team moving forward. I genuinely don’t understand why approaching it this way is a problem.
RE: Ryan it’s as simple as this with many on BBI  
Ned In Atlanta : 7/12/2020 11:31 am : link
In comment 14932076 UConn4523 said:
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if you aren’t outraged about whatever bad is happening to the Giants than you are an apologist or homer.

Conversations like the ones I sift through and am sometimes a part of on BBI never happen in my circle of NFL fan friends. We have different rooting interests, incomes, political stances etc and we never argue about crap like this to this extent. It’s really strange.

I’m taking the same approach you are - if he’s guilty he’s guilty and I want him gone and if he isn’t I hope he learns from this ordeal and becomes a contributing factor for this team moving forward. I genuinely don’t understand why approaching it this way is a problem.


Im guilty of that. Social media brings out the adversary in me. I’ve deleted my Facebook because it always devolves into a never ending pissing match (which I inevitably engage in). I think I’m going to take a step back and spend time just reading and not commenting. BBI is a great resource for content and conversation
RE: I think Ryan was ripping Leonard for this article  
ColHowPepper : 7/12/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 14932061 robbieballs2003 said:
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I think you may be right; I'm so confused. LOL. He just doubled down. Irrespective of one's reactive or cultivated attitudes toward him, Leonard broke new ground, plain and simple.
Based on my experience, the information given to the press  
Marty in Albany : 7/12/2020 1:22 pm : link
by each side in a trial may be accurate, BUT because of the adversarial nature of litigation the info given to the press is intentionally incomplete. Thus, it is really not possible for the newspaper reader to accurately guess what the outcome of the hearing will be.

We may have to wait for a court's decision. Baker has embarrassed the Giants. His play as a rookie was far from stellar. If he leaves the team, he will be missed, but not very much.
It’s also as simple as this with many on BBI  
LBH15 : 7/12/2020 1:41 pm : link
If you criticize or show some outrage for a questionable decision by a NYG than you are a not a true fan, a pessimist or a ____-hater.
Ned  
UConn4523 : 7/12/2020 2:27 pm : link
appreciate the response and good for you. I think a lot of social media is toxic so I’ve removed most of it from my life. Now more than ever it’s just something I try to avoid. The screenshots I’m sent from friends of Facebook conversations between other people we know are flat out embarrassing.

One thing I’ve noticed about social media is that people just can’t admit when they are wrong. The original knee jerk reaction is called out and then it’s all defensiveness and backtracking which gets hostile - like many threads on BBI. Personally I’m comfortable being wrong, I try to admit it and learn from it when it happens (not always successful but I try). I also try not to be knee jerk on my opinions (not always successful here either) but at least I try. We all need a bit more humility, it’s ok to not know something or to be proven wrong.
LBH  
ryanmkeane : 7/12/2020 4:04 pm : link
nope, wrong again. You’re conflating the issue. Nobody here (including me) would ever criticize someone for having an opinion about Baker being a bad dude or making a bad decision or whatever. That’s entirely fair.

However, what’s completely not fair is to come to a conclusion before the case is finished, or before the investigation (and the subsequent findings) is complete.

Listen man, guys make bad decisions. There’s a chance Baker got into a money problem and threatened people with a gun, and robbed people. That’s definitely possible. But it’s also possible that it didn’t happen, the story got wildly out of control, and/or he’s being extorted. We don’t know the answer to either of those questions. AND, if all of this comes to pass and the case is dismissed, it will probably be evident that something as serious as armed robbery absolutely did not occur. Was there a fight of some kind or threats? Maybe, possibly, who the fuck knows. We just don’t know, neither does Pat Leonard or anything else besides whatever police department is investigating this.

So, again, I’m not coming down on anyone here for having a bad opinion of Baker. But I reserve the right to tell you what my opinion is on the matter. It’s a message board. Opinions vary. I’ll be the first to say I was wrong if it turns out Baker is guilty as sin. But something tells me if he’s not, and the case is dismissed, we won’t be hearing a peep from the people on this board that spent hours crucifying him and calling his career.
It blows my mind that we have story after story where  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/12/2020 4:38 pm : link
a case isn't what it seems at the outset and yet the pitchforks still always come out. I seriously wish these people could get falsely accused of something in their lives. I actually see why innocent people go to prison now. Half the jury has their mind made up before they even hear the case!
Personally I don't have any pitchfork out for Baker...  
sb from NYT Forum : 7/12/2020 4:46 pm : link
...I just don't believe anything his lawyer says. It's been one highly bizarre statement after another.

And in my opinion the statement in the article linked in the OP takes the cake.
Read about the prison and court system in this country  
djm : 7/12/2020 4:48 pm : link
Watch as many documentaries as you can. There’s a very digestible documentary on Netflix called “survivors guide to prison” that is eye opening to say the least.

When I was younger I was all about eye for eye and capital punishment. Not anymore. The very notion of court issued punishment disappoints me.

We truly have a lot of work to do in this country.

Not to defend baker or his partner here. Who the hell knows what really happened. I just want the giants to win again.
I want Baker to play this year  
WillieYoung : 7/12/2020 4:54 pm : link
but he should be suspender just for hiring an idiot to be his lawyer. Issuing press releases that the police are going to drop the charges is a sure way to motivate them and the NFL to look more closely. And now it appears they have.
"BREAKING NEWS:  
Leg of Theismann : 7/12/2020 5:05 pm : link
Lawyer says his client is not guilty."

lol. OK thanks for the update.
RE: I’m not trying to be a dick  
BH28 : 7/12/2020 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14932073 ryanmkeane said:
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about this but I genuinely think people are confused about my stance. I don’t have a legal opinion of everything going on with Baker. Just trying to see how it plays out and if he’s cleared, he’s cleared. If he’s not, he’s not. It’s pretty much as simple as that and until we get clarity it’s gonna be muddy.

I do, however, have a stance on Pat Leonard, regardless of this “breaking news” search warrant article he wrote, “broke.” Pat Leonard is not a journalist, he doesn’t break news, he doesn’t report any type of legal findings or news, and he isn’t anything other than a click bait back page writer just trying to drum up views for NYDN.

I’ve been pretty clear on that. Pat Leonard will never be someone you can trust with the “facts” about anything, especially regarding a criminal investigation.


Leonard sucks, but are you saying that he made up the search warrant request because you can't trust him with 'facts'? Just because the guy sucks doesn't mean that he can't report the findings of a record request. That is factual.

If you want to debate the motive behind him posting an article about this, that is a different story but this article by Leonard pretty much sticks to the facts of the search warrant.

You can dismiss his work, but still acknowledge that he actually did his job for once instead of dismissing everything he does outright.

Regarding waiting for all the information to come out, the Giants don't operate as a court of law. Even if Baker is innocent, this a huge distraction which I am sure aggravates Gettleman and Judge to no end. Giants hate distractions and have cut and or traded guys for much less than what Baker is into. Coupled with his shit attitude from last year, keeping him doesn't really jive with the new culture DG is trying to build.

I wouldn't be surprised one way or the other if he is cut or kept regardless of his legal status.
BH  
ryanmkeane : 7/12/2020 6:37 pm : link
It seems you can’t see the difference between someone like Leonard (who uses the fact that there’s a search warrant and sensationalizes the entire article with a web of crazy shit to make it seem like Baker is 100% guilty and the Giants are 100% going to cut him) and someone like say...a real news person just saying hey there’s an update, there’s an active search warrant due to allegations of a pay off, the case is on going.

Pat Leonard didn’t break any news, he didn’t break any story, all he did was try to drum up attention for himself and the NYDN and clearly it worked.
RE: Hopefully Sam Beal  
SGMen : 7/12/2020 7:10 pm : link
In comment 14931784 LBH15 said:
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is getting himself ready for his opportunity.
Beal and Ballantine will fight for the starting job if Baker isn't available.
RE: RE: Hopefully Sam Beal  
90.Cal : 7/12/2020 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14932244 SGMen said:
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is getting himself ready for his opportunity.

Beal and Ballantine will fight for the starting job if Baker isn't available.


Great. We are going to get torched.
RE: LBH  
LBH15 : 7/12/2020 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14932210 ryanmkeane said:
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nope, wrong again. You’re conflating the issue. Nobody here (including me) would ever criticize someone for having an opinion about Baker being a bad dude or making a bad decision or whatever. That’s entirely fair.

However, what’s completely not fair is to come to a conclusion before the case is finished, or before the investigation (and the subsequent findings) is complete.

Listen man, guys make bad decisions. There’s a chance Baker got into a money problem and threatened people with a gun, and robbed people. That’s definitely possible. But it’s also possible that it didn’t happen, the story got wildly out of control, and/or he’s being extorted. We don’t know the answer to either of those questions. AND, if all of this comes to pass and the case is dismissed, it will probably be evident that something as serious as armed robbery absolutely did not occur. Was there a fight of some kind or threats? Maybe, possibly, who the fuck knows. We just don’t know, neither does Pat Leonard or anything else besides whatever police department is investigating this.

So, again, I’m not coming down on anyone here for having a bad opinion of Baker. But I reserve the right to tell you what my opinion is on the matter. It’s a message board. Opinions vary. I’ll be the first to say I was wrong if it turns out Baker is guilty as sin. But something tells me if he’s not, and the case is dismissed, we won’t be hearing a peep from the people on this board that spent hours crucifying him and calling his career.


I don’t even know what you’re blabbering about. Really.

RE: So Baker was/is being extorted by witnesses,  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/13/2020 7:48 am : link
In comment 14931806 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but his lawyer didn't feel the need to speak up about it until AFTER the news came out that he is paying witnesses.

Is this the same lawyer who said the charges would be dropped and Baker would be cleared of all charges within the week ions ago?

What a joke.


The charges against Baker certainly seem to have had an electric effect on team chemistry.
RE: Based on my experience, the information given to the press  
BlueLou'sBack : 7/13/2020 8:03 am : link
In comment 14932148 Marty in Albany said:
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by each side in a trial may be accurate, BUT because of the adversarial nature of litigation the info given to the press is intentionally incomplete. Thus, it is really not possible for the newspaper reader to accurately guess what the outcome of the hearing will be.

We may have to wait for a court's decision. Baker has embarrassed the Giants. His play as a rookie was far from stellar. If he leaves the team, he will be missed, but not very much.


Spot on Marty, and it goes well beyond the information each side in a legal case will let out to the press. It extends to what is presented in court, what is stated in Warrants, etc. The whole Perry Mason (Law and Order, and the vast host of TV legal dramas) that present the legal and criminal justice system as trying to get to and elucidate the facts and the whole truth is a crock of bullshit.

Each side is out to WIN the case for their side. Make that the prosecutors are out to win, the defenders, if public or otherwise not terribly well paid, out to work another day and perhaps help their clients. But also perhaps not, not all their clients anyway.

But TRUTH is not the goal with the prosecutors generally. Wins = promotions and money.
RE: RE: Based on my experience, the information given to the press  
section125 : 7/13/2020 8:28 am : link
In comment 14932346 BlueLou'sBack said:
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by each side in a trial may be accurate, BUT because of the adversarial nature of litigation the info given to the press is intentionally incomplete. Thus, it is really not possible for the newspaper reader to accurately guess what the outcome of the hearing will be.

We may have to wait for a court's decision. Baker has embarrassed the Giants. His play as a rookie was far from stellar. If he leaves the team, he will be missed, but not very much.



Spot on Marty, and it goes well beyond the information each side in a legal case will let out to the press. It extends to what is presented in court, what is stated in Warrants, etc. The whole Perry Mason (Law and Order, and the vast host of TV legal dramas) that present the legal and criminal justice system as trying to get to and elucidate the facts and the whole truth is a crock of bullshit.

Each side is out to WIN the case for their side. Make that the prosecutors are out to win, the defenders, if public or otherwise not terribly well paid, out to work another day and perhaps help their clients. But also perhaps not, not all their clients anyway.

But TRUTH is not the goal with the prosecutors generally. Wins = promotions and money.


I will disagree that prosecutors aren't out for the truth 99.9% of the time. Yes, wins lead to reelections, promotions, etc. But they have to present the truth as the evidence provides, or they are perjuring themselves and are open to overturning a conviction on appeal. Yes it happens that an overzealous and corrupt prosecutors will hide evidence(hmmm) or ignore exculpatory evidence(hmmm).

The defense is out to win anyway it can and can offer far fetched reasons for the defendant's behavior including lies and misrepresenting the facts.

And in the end, your justice is directly linked to the amount of $$ you can afford while the gov't can spend anything it wants on the taxpayers' dollar. That is where I see a major fault in the system.
LBH  
ryanmkeane : 7/13/2020 9:09 am : link
you said if anyone on BBI says anything negative about a player they get crucified. That’s bullshit.
RE: LBH  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/13/2020 9:16 am : link
In comment 14932371 ryanmkeane said:
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you said if anyone on BBI says anything negative about a player they get crucified. That’s bullshit.


Think about the source. It is a previously banned poster who loved to fixate on the term "Hand of God", who discarded the ghost of Jimmy Googs to be this schmuck.

He's a critical thinker while the rest of us are sheep....
RE: LBH  
LBH15 : 7/13/2020 11:40 am : link
In comment 14932371 ryanmkeane said:
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you said if anyone on BBI says anything negative about a player they get crucified. That’s bullshit.



Fine, as long as we agree that the following statement given above is bull too.

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if you aren’t outraged about whatever bad is happening to the Giants than you are an apologist or homer.
Except of course when referring to the  
LBH15 : 7/13/2020 11:45 am : link
critical thinker above.
I stand firm on that comment  
UConn4523 : 7/13/2020 12:03 pm : link
but also disagree with criticism always getting crucified. People who drive-by post get called out, no question about it. People that actually explain their outlook are usually met with far more courtesy and understanding.

In sum if you are going to be miserable about something and beat everyone over the head with it, atleast bring something to the table. Otherwise state your frustration and move on.

Its ok to vent but when venting turns into lectures and/or is nasty in tone, no one wants to talk to you. I apply that to my daily life as well and it works wonders to "trim the fat" of people I don't want to be around anymore.
I would generally agree with all that except that support  
LBH15 : 7/13/2020 12:23 pm : link
for Giant decisions gone bad doesn't mean you are referred to as an instant apologist or homer. Acting like an apologist consistently makes you one.
RE: RE: LBH  
BubbaMojo : 7/13/2020 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14932377 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you said if anyone on BBI says anything negative about a player they get crucified. That’s bullshit.

You would think everybody by now would know LBH15 was originally Jimmy Googs.



Think about the source. It is a previously banned poster who loved to fixate on the term "Hand of God", who discarded the ghost of Jimmy Googs to be this schmuck.

He's a critical thinker while the rest of us are sheep....
RE: RE: RE: LBH  
BubbaMojo : 7/13/2020 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14932503 BubbaMojo said:
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In comment 14932371 ryanmkeane said:


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you said if anyone on BBI says anything negative about a player they get crucified. That’s bullshit.




Think about the source. It is a previously banned poster who loved to fixate on the term "Hand of God", who discarded the ghost of Jimmy Googs to be this schmuck.

He's a critical thinker while the rest of us are sheep....



Better format! You would think everybody by now would know LBH15 was originally Jimmy Googs.
And the ball drops  
TrueBlue56 : 7/13/2020 2:30 pm : link
Dunbars attorneys withdraw from the case. You can't represent a client and be under investigation for paying off witnesses. The fact that they have video evidence of an exchange for money doesn't bode well for Dunbar's attorneys.
Dunbar's attorneys withdraw from case - ( New Window )
RE: And the ball drops  
Captplanet : 7/13/2020 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14932573 TrueBlue56 said:
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Dunbars attorneys withdraw from the case. You can't represent a client and be under investigation for paying off witnesses. The fact that they have video evidence of an exchange for money doesn't bode well for Dunbar's attorneys. Dunbar's attorneys withdraw from case - ( New Window )


Wow... This is a game changer and making it seem more and more likely that Baker and his law team have either been telling the truth about the original(fake robbery) extortion attempt or they played their cards very well and will be able to throw Dunbar under the bus as a co-conspirator of the extortionists.
RE: BH  
BH28 : 7/13/2020 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14932232 ryanmkeane said:
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It seems you can’t see the difference between someone like Leonard (who uses the fact that there’s a search warrant and sensationalizes the entire article with a web of crazy shit to make it seem like Baker is 100% guilty and the Giants are 100% going to cut him) and someone like say...a real news person just saying hey there’s an update, there’s an active search warrant due to allegations of a pay off, the case is on going.

Pat Leonard didn’t break any news, he didn’t break any story, all he did was try to drum up attention for himself and the NYDN and clearly it worked.


I can't believe you are making me defend Pat Leonard, but
a) who else was reporting about the details of the search warrant before Leonard wrote the article? He broke it by doing the FOIA request.
b) what in the article is made up? it's all coming from the search warrant. He's not offering any commentary.

I don't have a problem accepting that maybe Leonard did his job for once? Just because he sucks most of the time, I can't give him credit for when he doesn't suck?

The majority of his work is to stir the pot, and like i said, you can argue the point of his article was to stir it, but it's one of the few articles with all facts. If that article had Garapolo's by-line on it people would be like, "awesome find by Mike G"
RE: RE: And the ball drops  
Milton : 7/13/2020 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14932588 Captplanet said:
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Dunbars attorneys withdraw from the case. You can't represent a client and be under investigation for paying off witnesses. The fact that they have video evidence of an exchange for money doesn't bode well for Dunbar's attorneys. Dunbar's attorneys withdraw from case - ( New Window )



Wow... This is a game changer and making it seem more and more likely that Baker and his law team have either been telling the truth about the original(fake robbery) extortion attempt or they played their cards very well and will be able to throw Dunbar under the bus as a co-conspirator of the extortionists.
Huh? It just means that Dunbar decided to pay off the extortionists while Baker sat back and waited to see how it went. It doesn't that Baker and Dunbar didn't rob the guys. It just means that it's possible that the guys who were robbed were willing to take a pay off to recant.

Just speaking intuitively without any data to back me up, I would think that more often than not, blackmailers have legitimate dirt on the person or people they are blackmailing. In a circumstance like this, where it's people who reportedly have criminal records and have already made police statement, I doubt they would go through this much trouble over a lousy $55K. It sounds more like they are trying to recoup the money that was taken from them with perhaps a little extra for the hassle. In this comedy of stupidity that stretches the imagination, what seems most far-fetched is that four guys hatched a plan to have two pro football players arrested on their false testimony so that they could then blackmail them into giving them $55K to tell the police they made the whole thing up.

My best guess at this whole crazy affair is that Baker and Dunbar felt that they were ripped off by these known criminals and so they went "OJ Part 2" on them and demanded their money back at gunpoint. Baker and Dunbar maybe figured that the guys wouldn't call the police on them because of their own culpability.
I'm not sure how this will play out in the court system  
Milton : 7/13/2020 6:42 pm : link
It's possible Baker and Dunbar do time, it's possible they go to trial but are found not guilty, it's possible they plead to a suspended sentence to avoid prison, it's possible all charges are dropped.

That side of it is unpredictable at this point. But as far as the NFL is concerned, I find it hard to believe they will avoid suspension.
RE: I'm not sure how this will play out in the court system  
fireitup77 : 7/13/2020 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14932745 Milton said:
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It's possible Baker and Dunbar do time, it's possible they go to trial but are found not guilty, it's possible they plead to a suspended sentence to avoid prison, it's possible all charges are dropped.

That side of it is unpredictable at this point. But as far as the NFL is concerned, I find it hard to believe they will avoid suspension.



Why? Let's say Baker and his attorney have been telling the truth from the start. Baker went to the party, played madden and left when a fight broke out. The thugs wait an hour (time to make up a story) and call the police. They then extort Baker. Why would the nfl suspend him?
RE: RE: RE: RE: LBH  
LBH15 : 7/13/2020 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14932506 BubbaMojo said:
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you said if anyone on BBI says anything negative about a player they get crucified. That’s bullshit.




Think about the source. It is a previously banned poster who loved to fixate on the term "Hand of God", who discarded the ghost of Jimmy Googs to be this schmuck.

He's a critical thinker while the rest of us are sheep....





Better format! You would think everybody by now would know LBH15 was originally Jimmy Googs.


Yaah! You figured out how to post a reply.

But sadly still got the message wrong.
RE: RE: I'm not sure how this will play out in the court system  
Milton : 7/14/2020 8:40 am : link
In comment 14932796 fireitup77 said:
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It's possible Baker and Dunbar do time, it's possible they go to trial but are found not guilty, it's possible they plead to a suspended sentence to avoid prison, it's possible all charges are dropped.

That side of it is unpredictable at this point. But as far as the NFL is concerned, I find it hard to believe they will avoid suspension.




Why? Let's say Baker and his attorney have been telling the truth from the start. Baker went to the party, played madden and left when a fight broke out. The thugs wait an hour (time to make up a story) and call the police. They then extort Baker. Why would the nfl suspend him?
So these criminal masterminds (with arrest records) decided to go through all that trouble to split $55K between the four of them? I just find it hard to believe that Baker and Dunbar are just innocent victims of a shakedown. I also find it hard to believe that Baker and Dunbar suddenly decided to pull out a gun and rob a bunch of thugs during a party. But somewhere in the middle of these two unlikelihoods is what actually happened. My best guess is that Baker and/or Dunbar felt like they had been cheated out of money by these guys and so they demanded their money back at gunpoint. They didn't think the thugs would call the police because a) they're thugs with criminal records and b) it was money from illegal gambling. But after discussing it the thugs decided that Baker and Dunbar had more to lose than they did and so they went ahead and called the police.
RE: RE: RE: I'm not sure how this will play out in the court system  
fireitup77 : 7/14/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 14932875 Milton said:
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It's possible Baker and Dunbar do time, it's possible they go to trial but are found not guilty, it's possible they plead to a suspended sentence to avoid prison, it's possible all charges are dropped.

That side of it is unpredictable at this point. But as far as the NFL is concerned, I find it hard to believe they will avoid suspension.




Why? Let's say Baker and his attorney have been telling the truth from the start. Baker went to the party, played madden and left when a fight broke out. The thugs wait an hour (time to make up a story) and call the police. They then extort Baker. Why would the nfl suspend him?

So these criminal masterminds (with arrest records) decided to go through all that trouble to split $55K between the four of them? I just find it hard to believe that Baker and Dunbar are just innocent victims of a shakedown. I also find it hard to believe that Baker and Dunbar suddenly decided to pull out a gun and rob a bunch of thugs during a party. But somewhere in the middle of these two unlikelihoods is what actually happened. My best guess is that Baker and/or Dunbar felt like they had been cheated out of money by these guys and so they demanded their money back at gunpoint. They didn't think the thugs would call the police because a) they're thugs with criminal records and b) it was money from illegal gambling. But after discussing it the thugs decided that Baker and Dunbar had more to lose than they did and so they went ahead and called the police.


Nobody here knows what happened. You dais in a previous post that no matter how it turns out you done see how Baker is going to avoid a suspension. If it turns out that he did nothing wrong and is a victim of blackmail plot then there will be no suspension.

From the beginning Bakers attorney said he was being blackmailed. He has two other eye witnesses that state that Baker didn't rob anyone. Not there thugs that claim that they were robbed.

Dunbar's attorney is the one claiming that there accusers changed their story. He's also there guy that setup the payoff.

This easily could turn out right for Baker. I think at this point it's best to let things play out before judging the player. I think that's exactly what Judge and the Giants are doing. Let the facts come out and make your judgment afterwards. They shouldn't cut someone based on an accusation.
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