How is Patel in trouble? I don't see too much discrepancy from what bakers lawyers have been saying all along. They were saying it was blackmail all along.
If anything it is Dunbar's lawyer who can be facing a lot of trouble. First, the potential lawsuit by bakers lawyers for what he put out there (the picture with text implicating it was baker) and now all of these messages, the pay off and testimony changes all taking place in his office building.
to say something happened but what’s even more interesting is what appears to be some dirty pool between counsel on both sides. Where did they find these dirty fuckers?! On the back page of some mailer?!
They "attempted" to pay them off. They are saying it it was fake but how does that state that Baker is innocent? Just because someone was willing to take money in the first place doesn't mean their original story wasn't true. Just seems shady all around.
Is there new information that we haven't seen stating the alleged victims admitted to extorting Baker and Dunbar? Why are they not counter-suing them for extortion?
Isn't correct since the alleged victims aren't suing them. And this would have to take place in civil court.
But let me restate this. If all this was reported to the FBI then why has the FBI not arrested these alleged victims if it is clear they were trying to extort money from Baker and Dunbar? That part doesn't make sense to me.
They "attempted" to pay them off. They are saying it it was fake but how does that state that Baker is innocent? Just because someone was willing to take money in the first place doesn't mean their original story wasn't true. Just seems shady all around.
Is there new information that we haven't seen stating the alleged victims admitted to extorting Baker and Dunbar? Why are they not counter-suing them for extortion?
It’s a little early in the am but my interpretation is, this Johnson character appears to be manipulative thusly Patel is claiming Johnson is on the take and they attempted to entrap him. I don’t know, it’s all so F’d up!
sounds like he's on Baker's side saying he got them to change their stories. Now, it makes sense because those messages seem to be between Baker and him.
But just because all that happened doesn't mean they were trying to extort Baker and Dunbar. Maybe they were or maybe they weren't but nothing that was released so far changes anything for me. I think that is why they are hoping they can access their other messages to find out but that seems like a Hail Mary to me from the lawyers' perspective.
Isn't correct since the alleged victims aren't suing them. And this would have to take place in civil court.
But let me restate this. If all this was reported to the FBI then why has the FBI not arrested these alleged victims if it is clear they were trying to extort money from Baker and Dunbar? That part doesn't make sense to me.
IDK one way or the other what happened, but just because the FBI hasn't arrested anyone doesn't mean a thing. They may very well be building a case and not ready to act ....
Isn't correct since the alleged victims aren't suing them. And this would have to take place in civil court.
But let me restate this. If all this was reported to the FBI then why has the FBI not arrested these alleged victims if it is clear they were trying to extort money from Baker and Dunbar? That part doesn't make sense to me.
IDK one way or the other what happened, but just because the FBI hasn't arrested anyone doesn't mean a thing. They may very well be building a case and not ready to act ....
or
there is no there, there.
True. My point is that if it is so blatant as the lawyers have been stating from day 1 you'd think it would have been done by now as this was almost 2 months ago.
I think pat Leonard's article makes dunbar look a lot worse than baker.
Consider that this guy johnson was at Dunbar's attorneys office when according to the article, paid off the victims.
Also according to the article by video there was an unidentified person who gave the money to johnson to pay off the victims. Was it on behalf of Dunbar or baker?
If bakers lawyers are being truthful, then they can account for bakers whereabouts as well as document their contact with the FBI to report the messages.
There isn't much in pat Leonard's article that directly implicates baker, which is why the police are seeking more warrants.
This story will continue to change until it goes to trial and hopefully the facts will all come out then
I would assume this was all done to attack the validity of “coach” and the 4 alleged victims who produced affidavits. I don’t see how a jury will respect the character and integrity of these 5 witnesses, making a dismissal likely.
I mean it seems as if the detective is helping Baker’s lawyer build grounds for dismissal, which is a good sign.
But I’m sure more will be revealed. I will stay tuned
"Law enforcement, both local and federal, was advised from day one and beyond that the alleged 'victims' in this case were actively extorting Baker and Dunbar," he told the Seattle Times. "These men fabricated a robbery story after waiting an hour to call police and then immediately began contacting the players demanding money.
"My office obtained accurate and truthful affidavits consistent with the independent witness and my client's account. These 'victims' are seasoned career criminals who have been arrested and/or convicted of crimes ranging from conspiracy to commit murder, to human trafficking, to filing a false police report. Mr. Dunbar took and passed a polygraph confirming that he did not participate or witness any robbery."
Baker's attorney, Bradford Cohen, says that they too have been in contact with federal and local authorities from the start about the blackmail attempt from the alleged victims. He claims the victims threatened to "go to the press" and said, "If we don't get paid, we're going to TMZ."
Leonard’s article was hilarious to me. He’s a tabloid “journalist” who gets destroyed weekly on this board and yet when he broke this story without any actual “reporting” that was backed up by anything, everyone just assumed it was true because you guys want to see Baker go down. Everyone all of a sudden forgot that Leonard’s job is to get clicks and not to report anything of substance.
As we’ve said from the get go, let’s just wait and see. Baker could still be guilty and go to jail, who the fuck knows at this point. We all need to take a step back and just see what happens.
Leonard’s article was hilarious to me. He’s a tabloid “journalist” who gets destroyed weekly on this board and yet when he broke this story without any actual “reporting” that was backed up by anything, everyone just assumed it was true because you guys want to see Baker go down. Everyone all of a sudden forgot that Leonard’s job is to get clicks and not to report anything of substance.
As we’ve said from the get go, let’s just wait and see. Baker could still be guilty and go to jail, who the fuck knows at this point. We all need to take a step back and just see what happens.
I'm wary of even doing a front-page update at this point until things settle a bit more.
If Baker and Dunbar made off with jewls (sp) and cash, wouldn't a search warrant for these expensive items have taken place? If a watch in excess of $20k is stolen, did anyone attempt to find it?
knows what will happen. There are conflicting and confusing stories and claims. It will all eventually be resolved, but assuming anything right now is premature and unwise.
This is what I've been speculating about since the get-go...
"These 'victims' are seasoned career criminals who have been arrested and/or convicted of crimes ranging from conspiracy to commit murder, to human trafficking, to filing a false police report."
The NFL is gonna question Baker and Dunbar about their connections to these guys. What were they doing at a party full of criminals? A dismissal doesn't automatically get Baker off the hook with the NFL.
knows what will happen. There are conflicting and confusing stories and claims. It will all eventually be resolved, but assuming anything right now is premature and unwise.
It will all be cleared up before the next season -- in 2021.
If Baker and Dunbar made off with jewls (sp) and cash, wouldn't a search warrant for these expensive items have taken place? If a watch in excess of $20k is stolen, did anyone attempt to find it?
If Baker and Dunbar made off with jewls (sp) and cash, wouldn't a search warrant for these expensive items have taken place? If a watch in excess of $20k is stolen, did anyone attempt to find it?
Still sounds ridiculous. At the end of the day no matter what it is still a awful look for Baker and for this franchise using a 1st round pick on him... hope he gets cleared and turns into a pro bowl corner... but let's be real, what is the likelyhood of that? Almost zero chance...
RE: RE: To me it looks like that lawyer Patel is in some deep shit himself
How is Patel in trouble? I don't see too much discrepancy from what bakers lawyers have been saying all along. They were saying it was blackmail all along.
If anything it is Dunbar's lawyer who can be facing a lot of trouble. First, the potential lawsuit by bakers lawyers for what he put out there (the picture with text implicating it was baker) and now all of these messages, the pay off and testimony changes all taking place in his office building.
Did you even read the article?
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Patel said he, Baker and Cohen were in Patel’s house in Fort Lauderdale during the messaging between Baker and Johnson, who has known Baker since Baker’s childhood and was at the house party. Patel said he and Cohen instructed Baker to find out as much as they could from Johnson, called “Coach’’ in the warrant.
“We were with DeAndre telling him, ‘Write him, ask him, what does he want, what times does he want to meet?’ ’’ Patel said. “We were the ones who controlled the narrative. Baker had no intention of ever going.
Patel admits he directed Baker in this? And they were "controlling a narrative?" IMO that sounds a lot like witness tampering.
Still sounds ridiculous. At the end of the day no matter what it is still a awful look for Baker and for this franchise using a 1st round pick on him... hope he gets cleared and turns into a pro bowl corner... but let's be real, what is the likelyhood of that? Almost zero chance...
How is Patel in trouble? I don't see too much discrepancy from what bakers lawyers have been saying all along. They were saying it was blackmail all along.
If anything it is Dunbar's lawyer who can be facing a lot of trouble. First, the potential lawsuit by bakers lawyers for what he put out there (the picture with text implicating it was baker) and now all of these messages, the pay off and testimony changes all taking place in his office building.
Did you even read the article?
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Patel said he, Baker and Cohen were in Patel’s house in Fort Lauderdale during the messaging between Baker and Johnson, who has known Baker since Baker’s childhood and was at the house party. Patel said he and Cohen instructed Baker to find out as much as they could from Johnson, called “Coach’’ in the warrant.
“We were with DeAndre telling him, ‘Write him, ask him, what does he want, what times does he want to meet?’ ’’ Patel said. “We were the ones who controlled the narrative. Baker had no intention of ever going.
Patel admits he directed Baker in this? And they were "controlling a narrative?" IMO that sounds a lot like witness tampering.
Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.
Witness tampering occurs when someone attempts to cause a person to testify falsely, withhold testimony or information, or be absent from any proceeding to which the witness has been summoned.
If anything, Dunbar's lawyer has more issues considering that a pay off occurred in his office building and Johnson was sending messages asking for money from the same office.
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One of the four victims says “he was being directed that he didn’t see what he thought he saw” on the night of the alleged armed robbery, the warrant states. And the victim who received $5,000 said Grieco walked back into the office “just after the transaction had occurred” and said “there is no way he (Grieco) could not have seen this transaction.”
Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.
Ha, yeah, sure they contacted the FBI...according to Patel, who has been full of shit for two months.
So, while Baker is evading an arrest warrant, he and his lawyers direct a friend of his to engage in a bribery scheme with the witnesses that made made statements to the police the night of the incident. And that's not potentially witness tampering? Ha ha ha ha ha.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: To me it looks like that lawyer Patel is in some deep shit himself
Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.
Ha, yeah, sure they contacted the FBI...according to Patel, who has been full of shit for two months.
So, while Baker is evading an arrest warrant, he and his lawyers direct a friend of his to engage in a bribery scheme with the witnesses that made made statements to the police the night of the incident. And that's not potentially witness tampering? Ha ha ha ha ha.
Oh, and do you think that a the local police would have no heads up from the FBI that this was an alleged blackmail? Of course they would. The FBI would be working on this WITH the local authorities if they knew about it, and would tell the local detective not to include this info in a public document.
Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.
Ha, yeah, sure they contacted the FBI...according to Patel, who has been full of shit for two months.
So, while Baker is evading an arrest warrant, he and his lawyers direct a friend of his to engage in a bribery scheme with the witnesses that made made statements to the police the night of the incident. And that's not potentially witness tampering? Ha ha ha ha ha.
Turning yourself in less than 48 hours after an arrest warrant was issued is now considered evading?
The lawyers for baker have consistently said from the beginning that this has been a scheme all along to blackmail baker. That narrative from bakers lawyers has not changed even after pat Leonard's article.
If Patel or Cohen never told the authorities, then they made claims in every article put out there that had them quoted. Also, the lawyers for baker never said they had statements from the victims recanting their allegations. They had statements from other people who were there that deny the allegations.
The facts will come out in a trial and we will all see who knew what and who said what to who. Until then it is a whole lot of he said, she said.
How is Patel in trouble? I don't see too much discrepancy from what bakers lawyers have been saying all along. They were saying it was blackmail all along.
If anything it is Dunbar's lawyer who can be facing a lot of trouble. First, the potential lawsuit by bakers lawyers for what he put out there (the picture with text implicating it was baker) and now all of these messages, the pay off and testimony changes all taking place in his office building.
Is there new information that we haven't seen stating the alleged victims admitted to extorting Baker and Dunbar? Why are they not counter-suing them for extortion?
But let me restate this. If all this was reported to the FBI then why has the FBI not arrested these alleged victims if it is clear they were trying to extort money from Baker and Dunbar? That part doesn't make sense to me.
Is there new information that we haven't seen stating the alleged victims admitted to extorting Baker and Dunbar? Why are they not counter-suing them for extortion?
It’s a little early in the am but my interpretation is, this Johnson character appears to be manipulative thusly Patel is claiming Johnson is on the take and they attempted to entrap him. I don’t know, it’s all so F’d up!
But just because all that happened doesn't mean they were trying to extort Baker and Dunbar. Maybe they were or maybe they weren't but nothing that was released so far changes anything for me. I think that is why they are hoping they can access their other messages to find out but that seems like a Hail Mary to me from the lawyers' perspective.
But let me restate this. If all this was reported to the FBI then why has the FBI not arrested these alleged victims if it is clear they were trying to extort money from Baker and Dunbar? That part doesn't make sense to me.
IDK one way or the other what happened, but just because the FBI hasn't arrested anyone doesn't mean a thing. They may very well be building a case and not ready to act ....
or
there is no there, there.
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Isn't correct since the alleged victims aren't suing them. And this would have to take place in civil court.
But let me restate this. If all this was reported to the FBI then why has the FBI not arrested these alleged victims if it is clear they were trying to extort money from Baker and Dunbar? That part doesn't make sense to me.
IDK one way or the other what happened, but just because the FBI hasn't arrested anyone doesn't mean a thing. They may very well be building a case and not ready to act ....
or
there is no there, there.
True. My point is that if it is so blatant as the lawyers have been stating from day 1 you'd think it would have been done by now as this was almost 2 months ago.
BINGO! Leonard is the biggest asshole in a trade full of them.
But at this point, looks like a trial is coming.
Robbery victims to cover up crime
Posted by Chris Cwik of Yahoo Sports on July 10, 2020 at 9:13 PM.
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Robbery victims to cover up crime
Posted by Chris Cwik of Yahoo Sports on July 10, 2020 at 9:13 PM.
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That article is off of pat Leonard's article
At least they added a lot of pickups in the secondary and maybe Beal steps up.
Consider that this guy johnson was at Dunbar's attorneys office when according to the article, paid off the victims.
Also according to the article by video there was an unidentified person who gave the money to johnson to pay off the victims. Was it on behalf of Dunbar or baker?
If bakers lawyers are being truthful, then they can account for bakers whereabouts as well as document their contact with the FBI to report the messages.
There isn't much in pat Leonard's article that directly implicates baker, which is why the police are seeking more warrants.
This story will continue to change until it goes to trial and hopefully the facts will all come out then
This is cloak and dagger stuff that the attorney hires an investigator to do so the attorney does not end up being a witness.
@JordanRaanan
Spoke with Baker's attorney Bradford Cohen this AM. He says they have been in contact with federal + local authorities from start about blackmail attempt from alleged victims. Claims victims threatened to "go to the press" if not paid. That + more...
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I mean it seems as if the detective is helping Baker’s lawyer build grounds for dismissal, which is a good sign.
But I’m sure more will be revealed. I will stay tuned
"Law enforcement, both local and federal, was advised from day one and beyond that the alleged 'victims' in this case were actively extorting Baker and Dunbar," he told the Seattle Times. "These men fabricated a robbery story after waiting an hour to call police and then immediately began contacting the players demanding money.
"My office obtained accurate and truthful affidavits consistent with the independent witness and my client's account. These 'victims' are seasoned career criminals who have been arrested and/or convicted of crimes ranging from conspiracy to commit murder, to human trafficking, to filing a false police report. Mr. Dunbar took and passed a polygraph confirming that he did not participate or witness any robbery."
Baker's attorney, Bradford Cohen, says that they too have been in contact with federal and local authorities from the start about the blackmail attempt from the alleged victims. He claims the victims threatened to "go to the press" and said, "If we don't get paid, we're going to TMZ."
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Robbery victims to cover up crime
Posted by Chris Cwik of Yahoo Sports on July 10, 2020 at 9:13 PM.
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That article is off of pat Leonard's article
Thanks for clarification.
As we’ve said from the get go, let’s just wait and see. Baker could still be guilty and go to jail, who the fuck knows at this point. We all need to take a step back and just see what happens.
As we’ve said from the get go, let’s just wait and see. Baker could still be guilty and go to jail, who the fuck knows at this point. We all need to take a step back and just see what happens.
I'm wary of even doing a front-page update at this point until things settle a bit more.
It will all be cleared up before the next season -- in 2021.
Is this the same lawyer who said the charges would be dropped and Baker would be cleared of all charges within the week ions ago?
What a joke.
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If Baker and Dunbar made off with jewls (sp) and cash, wouldn't a search warrant for these expensive items have taken place? If a watch in excess of $20k is stolen, did anyone attempt to find it?
It is spelled “ jewles”.
And they were just regular
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...LOL that would just be hilarious.
How is Patel in trouble? I don't see too much discrepancy from what bakers lawyers have been saying all along. They were saying it was blackmail all along.
If anything it is Dunbar's lawyer who can be facing a lot of trouble. First, the potential lawsuit by bakers lawyers for what he put out there (the picture with text implicating it was baker) and now all of these messages, the pay off and testimony changes all taking place in his office building.
Did you even read the article?
“We were with DeAndre telling him, ‘Write him, ask him, what does he want, what times does he want to meet?’ ’’ Patel said. “We were the ones who controlled the narrative. Baker had no intention of ever going.
Patel admits he directed Baker in this? And they were "controlling a narrative?" IMO that sounds a lot like witness tampering.
It's not like Slim and None never come in! - ( New Window )
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...LOL that would just be hilarious.
How is Patel in trouble? I don't see too much discrepancy from what bakers lawyers have been saying all along. They were saying it was blackmail all along.
If anything it is Dunbar's lawyer who can be facing a lot of trouble. First, the potential lawsuit by bakers lawyers for what he put out there (the picture with text implicating it was baker) and now all of these messages, the pay off and testimony changes all taking place in his office building.
Did you even read the article?
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Patel said he, Baker and Cohen were in Patel’s house in Fort Lauderdale during the messaging between Baker and Johnson, who has known Baker since Baker’s childhood and was at the house party. Patel said he and Cohen instructed Baker to find out as much as they could from Johnson, called “Coach’’ in the warrant.
“We were with DeAndre telling him, ‘Write him, ask him, what does he want, what times does he want to meet?’ ’’ Patel said. “We were the ones who controlled the narrative. Baker had no intention of ever going.
Patel admits he directed Baker in this? And they were "controlling a narrative?" IMO that sounds a lot like witness tampering.
Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.
Witness tampering occurs when someone attempts to cause a person to testify falsely, withhold testimony or information, or be absent from any proceeding to which the witness has been summoned.
If anything, Dunbar's lawyer has more issues considering that a pay off occurred in his office building and Johnson was sending messages asking for money from the same office.
At least they added a lot of pickups in the secondary and maybe Beal steps up.
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Ha, yeah, sure they contacted the FBI...according to Patel, who has been full of shit for two months.
So, while Baker is evading an arrest warrant, he and his lawyers direct a friend of his to engage in a bribery scheme with the witnesses that made made statements to the police the night of the incident. And that's not potentially witness tampering? Ha ha ha ha ha.
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Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.
Ha, yeah, sure they contacted the FBI...according to Patel, who has been full of shit for two months.
So, while Baker is evading an arrest warrant, he and his lawyers direct a friend of his to engage in a bribery scheme with the witnesses that made made statements to the police the night of the incident. And that's not potentially witness tampering? Ha ha ha ha ha.
Oh, and do you think that a the local police would have no heads up from the FBI that this was an alleged blackmail? Of course they would. The FBI would be working on this WITH the local authorities if they knew about it, and would tell the local detective not to include this info in a public document.
+1.
Next man up
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Please explain how it is witness tampering if the witness (johnson) initiated contact and bakers lawyers were present at the time this was taking place. The lawyers also contacted the FBI to report what transpired.
Ha, yeah, sure they contacted the FBI...according to Patel, who has been full of shit for two months.
So, while Baker is evading an arrest warrant, he and his lawyers direct a friend of his to engage in a bribery scheme with the witnesses that made made statements to the police the night of the incident. And that's not potentially witness tampering? Ha ha ha ha ha.
Turning yourself in less than 48 hours after an arrest warrant was issued is now considered evading?
The lawyers for baker have consistently said from the beginning that this has been a scheme all along to blackmail baker. That narrative from bakers lawyers has not changed even after pat Leonard's article.
If Patel or Cohen never told the authorities, then they made claims in every article put out there that had them quoted. Also, the lawyers for baker never said they had statements from the victims recanting their allegations. They had statements from other people who were there that deny the allegations.
The facts will come out in a trial and we will all see who knew what and who said what to who. Until then it is a whole lot of he said, she said.