is trying to do their best with having a season during a pandemic. I think it's commendable that they are even doing this. Having strict protocols in place is just how it's going to have to be for the time being.
I don't think your McCoy example is correct. Just because he was in the room with Jones, doesn't mean Jones can't play. If Jones tests negative, he's fine in that case.
All players and staff will wear proximity tracing devices. If a positive player comes into contact with other players, then those other players have to pass two tests before they can even come back to the facility. (Not clear is if those tests are also spread out over a 5-day period like the other 2x testing mentioned earlier).
Regardless, if Jones comes into contact with McCoy, He can't be with the team until he passes two tests (which I assume can't be on the same day and may have to be over a 5-day period).
You beat me to the punch. What is not clear is if the two tests have to be spread out over 5 days like the earlier mentioned 2x tests... that's not clear. But I can't imagine that they will give both tests on the same day. At best, it will be over a 2 day period. At worst, over a 5-day period).
Colt McCoy tests asymptomatic positive on September 12th. He's been in the QB room with Daniel Jones and Cooper Rush. So AT LEAST all three quarterbacks are out for the season opener on the 14th. We have NO QUARTERBACKS to play the Steelers. Worse, you know at this point, the QBs have been on contact with a bunch more players and coaches. All must go home for at least five days.
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
I mean, what’s the definition of exposed? I’m assuming in the QB room they will be wearing masks and socially distancing. If they were never within 6 feet at any time in the day or two that McCoy went from negative to positive, is that exposure? They are supposed to be following the guidelines to limit exposure, so I’m not sure how this scenario would apply based on guidelines if they are following them
Colt McCoy tests asymptomatic positive on September 12th. He's been in the QB room with Daniel Jones and Cooper Rush. So AT LEAST all three quarterbacks are out for the season opener on the 14th. We have NO QUARTERBACKS to play the Steelers. Worse, you know at this point, the QBs have been on contact with a bunch more players and coaches. All must go home for at least five days.
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
I would assume the film study and group sessions will continue to be done remotely to eliminate a scenario like this.
S&C training will need to be mixed groups, so you can try to avoid an entire unit getting eliminated.
Not sure how you can lower the risk via practice. Maybe teams will hardly hold live practices other than walkthroughs with masks on.
Good points, but again, I'm not talking about Jones catching the virus in this scenario. I'm talking about him being sent home until he passes two tests. (Same with everyone McCoy comes into contact with - think also away travel on an airplane).
to get dressed? Seems impossible to get dressed for practice without breaking the six foot barrier.
The training camp locker rooms will be at MetLife so they can social distance properly.
80 players in a locker room isn't socially distancing imo. From what I have read about the virus, being indoors with no ventilation is the biggest culprit. For awhile the Giants weren't allowed to have 100 people inside the entire building let alone 80 in one room. To me that cannot happen. Outside is different. The odds of catching it outside is much less likely.
Looks like the NFL doesn't give a shit about the product on the field, as long as it's enough to satisfy the TV contracts and get dat revenue.
I don't think it is that.
I think they are caught in a really bad position. The NFLPA is representing the interests of their players (or supposed to be). The NFL is losing billions. Throw into the mix that everyone has their own version of "science" (which suddenly has become subjective) and you probably have league officials, team management, coaches, players, and medical staff with all different sets of opinions on how to proceed.
Not everyone has the same set of interests.
RE: So bottom line, unless the game schedule changes, there’s effectively
still think the season will be shut down pretty quickly. The logistics of having a season in the middle of a pandemic are probably impossible, especially with a contact sport like football. I obviously hope I'm wrong.
Regarding the amount of padding a player has in terms of coronavirus transmission?
It's not about the amount of padding, it's about what they do when they have the pads on. Practices will be different. They will be hitting each other with the pads on. Spittle will be flying.
LOL - The players have been in much more contact with each
No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
RE: The first weeks of the season are going to be filled with injuries
No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
RE: RE: The first weeks of the season are going to be filled with injuries
No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
That's reassuring. 0-6 isn't a bad start for us. It's right on track with the last six years or so.
RE: RE: RE: The first weeks of the season are going to be filled with injuries
No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
That's reassuring. 0-6 isn't a bad start for us. It's right on track with the last six years or so.
complained about football possibly being cancelled. then, football announces it won't b cancelled, but with procedures and protocols in place because the virus is still very much a thing....and people are now complaining about the protocols.
i think we have to come to the conclusion that is is extremely hard for a national sports league to even have a season during this...they are doing their best. they can't appease everyone and their mother about what to do.
Science is NOT subjective, it is fact - mathematical included. Now, how one wants to INTERPRET it is subjective. I’ve been VERY doubtful about football from the get go because of how the game is played. That being said, they have to try as best they can. The financial ramifications would ruin the sport. One thing they can’t do, is put safety protocols in place and then knowingly violate them. That comes under “ Hazardous workplace rules federally.
Colt McCoy tests asymptomatic positive on September 12th. He's been in the QB room with Daniel Jones and Cooper Rush. So AT LEAST all three quarterbacks are out for the season opener on the 14th. We have NO QUARTERBACKS to play the Steelers. Worse, you know at this point, the QBs have been on contact with a bunch more players and coaches. All must go home for at least five days.
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
This isn't necessarily true, I happen to be well-versed in the CDC guidelines since I'm working on a construction project building a hospital in NY that was deemed essential and sparred from the shutdown during the outbreak. They actually featured our project on CBS NY a few months back as "The New Normal" since we were the first construction site to adopt the CDC guidelines and amazingly have been able to keep working a 250+ crew throughout with no outbreaks. The CDC definition of close contact is 6 ft or less over 15 minutes. So even if all QB's are in a room together as long as everyone is 6 ft apart they are not considered close contact. Just because one player tests positive not all the others are subject to quarantine. They can even huddle around each other for spurts of time but as long as its not 15+ minutes that they are less than 6 ft then by the CDC guideline they do not have to go into quarantine.
The proximity tracers basically are used to make sure people aren't forced into quarantine, they provide the proof needed that people were either 6 ft apart in a same room or that if they were closer than 6 ft it wasn't for more than 15+ minutes. It will help losing widespread numbers of players just due to protocol of testing.
test positive on Monday the contact tracing
could technically put a bunch of players out for 5 day and/or 2 negative tests.
how do you get a team ready to play with that much down time?
and I think its doable. I am a firefighter and we had 40 of our 285 staff test positive. Mind you not all were tested so likely many more. The good news was most were back in mandatory minimum 14 days with the exception of 3-5 who are all good now and maybe missed a month. i think cdc just narrowed it down to 11 days which could help. If you are losing 2 or 3 players a week its manageable as players will be returning as others go out. The killer is if you lose 3 or 4 starting lineman in one shot. it will be interesting to see if soto spread it to any of his teammates. I think by mid late august baseball will show us if its possible. Although football is much more close contact obviously.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
The new helmets supposedly solve for that issue.
And I'm not remotely concerned about QB rooms - thats probably the single easiest thing to control for... I'm not even that concerned about what happens in the facilities... what will make or break the season is how these players behave and take precautions off the field, and as others have said above, how you keep some of these really unhealthy, older looking coaches and staff from having a bad outcome. I assume Andy Reid will protect himself, wear mask on the sidelines, all of it.. but we'll see.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
I agree completely.
On a 4 and 1 QB sneak its basically 20 guys on top of each other.
How is it with this guidance everyone is not quarantined for at least some time?
They will need to change the quarantine rules or they believe there will be no positive test this season.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
Agreed, there's risks no matter what. The 6 ft-15 minute guideline just allows so that 20+ some odd people aren't immediately disqualified from work for two weeks just from coming physically close for a moment in time with someone who is sick. A very scary scenario though would be Spencer Pulley or whoever plays center got sick on a Monday, because the center does spend 15+ minutes within a 6 ft radius of the entire OL and QB. That's the one scenario I can think of that will wipe out a team. If a WR or skilled player gets sick, they normally are off on an island enough and rotate in and out enough, but a center would be a disaster.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
An metaphor I’ve used on this subject before is that it’s like wearing a condom all through dinner and then taking it off for the sex.
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Per sources, camp timeline in the NFL's proposal ...
Day 1: Testing/virtual meetings.
Days 2-3: Virtual meetings.
Day 4: Testing/virtual meetings.
Days 5-6: Physicals.
Days 7-15: Strength and conditioning (with a day off.)
Day 16: Practice starts.
Day 21: First padded practice.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
It sounds like it does, that you accumulate the virus over extended exposure until you get to a certain amount that infects you.
If that were true, we wouldn't have to wear masks.
Eric, from a doctor I was listening to he said this is basically caught inside over time. Wearing a mask helps reduce the chance of getting it. Being outside with ventilation there is basically a zero percent chance of getting it. He said every breath releases about 30 particles of the virus from someone who is a carrier. For someone to get sick they need to have a 1000 particles in their body. He said even if someone coughed on something and you touched it you probably wouldn't get it. That is why I made my comment earlier about the locker room. That seems like the most likely way for this to spread to a team not being in the trenches nor in a huddle.
My daughter is An ICU nurse treating covid for 7 months
And has not gotten it.....close proximity to 100s of very sick people "with covid".
This is not "kuddies"...it transmit like any other virus....more then likely....hand to mouth, eye, nose contact. Who is coughing into someone's mouth?
Air particles contact is basically impossible....then they better be careful of getting hit by lighting as that is more likely.....
I am trying very hard to keep politics out...but I will leave you with this....I was in Miami the past month...my brother had a stroke...hospitals etc...and the covid news was bullshit. Most of the positive cases were positive antibodies test...this has gotten out of hand.
My 30-year old cousin is a surgeon at Bellevue Hospital
All players and staff will wear proximity tracing devices. If a positive player comes into contact with other players, then those other players have to pass two tests before they can even come back to the facility. (Not clear is if those tests are also spread out over a 5-day period like the other 2x testing mentioned earlier).
Regardless, if Jones comes into contact with McCoy, He can't be with the team until he passes two tests (which I assume can't be on the same day and may have to be over a 5-day period).
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
I mean, what’s the definition of exposed? I’m assuming in the QB room they will be wearing masks and socially distancing. If they were never within 6 feet at any time in the day or two that McCoy went from negative to positive, is that exposure? They are supposed to be following the guidelines to limit exposure, so I’m not sure how this scenario would apply based on guidelines if they are following them
The training camp locker rooms will be at MetLife so they can social distance properly.
I said it a couple of weeks ago, but how many of these players are going to test asymptomatically when the arrive? 1, 5, 10, 20?
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
I would assume the film study and group sessions will continue to be done remotely to eliminate a scenario like this.
S&C training will need to be mixed groups, so you can try to avoid an entire unit getting eliminated.
Not sure how you can lower the risk via practice. Maybe teams will hardly hold live practices other than walkthroughs with masks on.
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to get dressed? Seems impossible to get dressed for practice without breaking the six foot barrier.
The training camp locker rooms will be at MetLife so they can social distance properly.
80 players in a locker room isn't socially distancing imo. From what I have read about the virus, being indoors with no ventilation is the biggest culprit. For awhile the Giants weren't allowed to have 100 people inside the entire building let alone 80 in one room. To me that cannot happen. Outside is different. The odds of catching it outside is much less likely.
I don't think it is that.
I think they are caught in a really bad position. The NFLPA is representing the interests of their players (or supposed to be). The NFL is losing billions. Throw into the mix that everyone has their own version of "science" (which suddenly has become subjective) and you probably have league officials, team management, coaches, players, and medical staff with all different sets of opinions on how to proceed.
Not everyone has the same set of interests.
Bingo.
Ralph even speculates that real practices may not be held until September.
Just postpone the season already. This plan blows.
Why can't players run on field drills and QB/Receiver routes with throw and catch. You can completely social distance doing this.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
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No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
That's reassuring. 0-6 isn't a bad start for us. It's right on track with the last six years or so.
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No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
That's reassuring. 0-6 isn't a bad start for us. It's right on track with the last six years or so.
Well played sir
It will only take one tragedy to end football until there is a vaccine.
i think we have to come to the conclusion that is is extremely hard for a national sports league to even have a season during this...they are doing their best. they can't appease everyone and their mother about what to do.
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
This isn't necessarily true, I happen to be well-versed in the CDC guidelines since I'm working on a construction project building a hospital in NY that was deemed essential and sparred from the shutdown during the outbreak. They actually featured our project on CBS NY a few months back as "The New Normal" since we were the first construction site to adopt the CDC guidelines and amazingly have been able to keep working a 250+ crew throughout with no outbreaks. The CDC definition of close contact is 6 ft or less over 15 minutes. So even if all QB's are in a room together as long as everyone is 6 ft apart they are not considered close contact. Just because one player tests positive not all the others are subject to quarantine. They can even huddle around each other for spurts of time but as long as its not 15+ minutes that they are less than 6 ft then by the CDC guideline they do not have to go into quarantine.
The proximity tracers basically are used to make sure people aren't forced into quarantine, they provide the proof needed that people were either 6 ft apart in a same room or that if they were closer than 6 ft it wasn't for more than 15+ minutes. It will help losing widespread numbers of players just due to protocol of testing.
could technically put a bunch of players out for 5 day and/or 2 negative tests.
how do you get a team ready to play with that much down time?
Did anyone else see the full face mask they are talking about using possible. You can breath but the droplets can't get in
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
The new helmets supposedly solve for that issue.
And I'm not remotely concerned about QB rooms - thats probably the single easiest thing to control for... I'm not even that concerned about what happens in the facilities... what will make or break the season is how these players behave and take precautions off the field, and as others have said above, how you keep some of these really unhealthy, older looking coaches and staff from having a bad outcome. I assume Andy Reid will protect himself, wear mask on the sidelines, all of it.. but we'll see.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
I agree completely.
On a 4 and 1 QB sneak its basically 20 guys on top of each other.
How is it with this guidance everyone is not quarantined for at least some time?
They will need to change the quarantine rules or they believe there will be no positive test this season.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
Agreed, there's risks no matter what. The 6 ft-15 minute guideline just allows so that 20+ some odd people aren't immediately disqualified from work for two weeks just from coming physically close for a moment in time with someone who is sick. A very scary scenario though would be Spencer Pulley or whoever plays center got sick on a Monday, because the center does spend 15+ minutes within a 6 ft radius of the entire OL and QB. That's the one scenario I can think of that will wipe out a team. If a WR or skilled player gets sick, they normally are off on an island enough and rotate in and out enough, but a center would be a disaster.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
An metaphor I’ve used on this subject before is that it’s like wearing a condom all through dinner and then taking it off for the sex.
@AlbertBreer
Per sources, camp timeline in the NFL's proposal ...
Day 1: Testing/virtual meetings.
Days 2-3: Virtual meetings.
Day 4: Testing/virtual meetings.
Days 5-6: Physicals.
Days 7-15: Strength and conditioning (with a day off.)
Day 16: Practice starts.
Day 21: First padded practice.
It will only take one tragedy to end football until there is a vaccine.
Andy Reid is having his own personal portable bubble made. It will look a lot like a moon suit.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
It sounds like it does, that you accumulate the virus over extended exposure until you get to a certain amount that infects you.
Eric, from a doctor I was listening to he said this is basically caught inside over time. Wearing a mask helps reduce the chance of getting it. Being outside with ventilation there is basically a zero percent chance of getting it. He said every breath releases about 30 particles of the virus from someone who is a carrier. For someone to get sick they need to have a 1000 particles in their body. He said even if someone coughed on something and you touched it you probably wouldn't get it. That is why I made my comment earlier about the locker room. That seems like the most likely way for this to spread to a team not being in the trenches nor in a huddle.
This is not "kuddies"...it transmit like any other virus....more then likely....hand to mouth, eye, nose contact. Who is coughing into someone's mouth?
Air particles contact is basically impossible....then they better be careful of getting hit by lighting as that is more likely.....
I am trying very hard to keep politics out...but I will leave you with this....I was in Miami the past month...my brother had a stroke...hospitals etc...and the covid news was bullshit. Most of the positive cases were positive antibodies test...this has gotten out of hand.
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Less in the air due to masks, less to breathe in. That's the idea, anyway.
Masks when feasible, outdoors as often as possible, maybe they get the season in. Would be great.