The NFL and NFLPA are still working on the details, but it looks like there’ll be nothing but strength and conditioning and some on-field walkthroughs through Day 18 (Friday, Aug. 14). Then, starting on Sunday, Aug. 16, teams will be allowed to begin the “ramp up” period with actual practices, but only in helmets and shells at first. Eventually they will be allowed to put on pads, but that may not happen until late August and possibly even September.
I don’t see how they can start the season as planned
I was saying the owners might want to spread out the loss over a couple of years while the players may want a one time hit next year. Ultimately I think it would get spread out. Now after reading that, the owners want the hit taken this year which seems more than odd and the players obviously said no to this year. They said they may even prefer to stretch it out until 2030. That is very interesting. I thought it would be over a couple of years but doing it over a 10 year period make a lot of sense. I think they'll all agree to that.
I think one of the last bug hurdles is the opt out. They will have an opt out. That's not a question to me. The question is how do they work on the financials of an opt out.
One, does the player still get paid? I'd assume the player would get some of the salary but not all of it just because that is what has been discussed.
Two, if a player opts out does that count as a year off his contract and if so does it count as a year accrued in the NFL? I think it would count as a year off the contract but not an accrued season. Just a guess.
Three, what is the cap ramifications of an opt out. Say Solder decides to sit out this year, does that give us cap relief? It 100% should. Imagine a whole team sits out and is maxed out. How do they field a team.
I don't see how this works unless the NFL looks the other way.
For example, look at the contact tracing section. If even one asymptomatic player tests positive and comes into contact with other players, all of those other players must be sidelined for at least 5 days.
How the hell is that going to work? (Again, I am operating from the premise that bunch of these players have already or soon will be "infected").
Colt McCoy tests asymptomatic positive on September 12th. He's been in the QB room with Daniel Jones and Cooper Rush. So AT LEAST all three quarterbacks are out for the season opener on the 14th. We have NO QUARTERBACKS to play the Steelers. Worse, you know at this point, the QBs have been on contact with a bunch more players and coaches. All must go home for at least five days.
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
overreacting a bit to this news. They have to have some pretty strict protocols in place in order to play. Unfortunately, some players are probably going to get it and will have to quarantine, just like baseball.
If they had nothing, they would get scrutinized for having no protocols.
overreacting a bit to this news. They have to have some pretty strict protocols in place in order to play. Unfortunately, some players are probably going to get it and will have to quarantine, just like baseball.
If they had nothing, they would get scrutinized for having no protocols.
If they abide by their own rules on contact tracing, then significant chunks of an 80 man (and then 55-man) roster will not be available. That's the way it is spelled out.
is that the first month of the season is going to be extra sloppy, way more than what we are used to. The best prepared and best coached teams will start out OK.
the schedule appears to be as follows (tentative and based on Ralph's article):
July 28: Report and receive first test.
July 29-30: Return to home/hotel and only participate in virtual meetings.
July 31: Report and receive second test.
August 1-2: Players who test negative receive physicals.
August 3-14: Strength and conditioning and on-field walk-throughs.
August 16: Helmet and shells practices begin, slowing being ramped up to full-padded work.
I don't know why it would change? (Unless there is a vaccine).
IMO, if we complete a season with no vaccine, the NFL is going to have to let some things slide (and we'll never hear about it for obvious reasons). Otherwise, I don't see how they can do this.
one solution they should have done was keep rosters at 80 all year
it's an extra $15m per team, but it seems like the best proactive insurance policy for 1 position group getting hit (although there will be nothing anybody can do if their QB room gets hit).
It's almost like tactically coaches/GMs need to have a pod of "designated survivors" for each position group who remain separated from the rest of the team just in case.
When Tanney gets signed off the couch in November and goes on to beat the Geno Smith led Seahawks it's going to be pretty hilarious.
On the flip side, I think all the ramp up/practice time without live games will be a positive for preseason injuries. In CFB teams often start camp early August without preseason games and have high profile matchups scheduled on LDW or earlier as their first game. The first month will likely be rusty but it's doable.
i just think you're talking about the very very very worst case scenario. Could that happen? Sure. Unlikely though.
How is this a "worse case scenario"? Unless you are operating under the premise that no New York Giants player or coach will test positive, this seems like a likely scenario.
I don't think your McCoy example is correct. Just because he was in the room with Jones, doesn't mean Jones can't play. If Jones tests negative, he's fine in that case.
RE: RE: Eric, is that during the season or just camp
I don't know why it would change? (Unless there is a vaccine).
IMO, if we complete a season with no vaccine, the NFL is going to have to let some things slide (and we'll never hear about it for obvious reasons). Otherwise, I don't see how they can do this.
I don't see the five day thing you are talking about. 5 days is for a player that tests positive but then tests negative 2 times in a five day period. Those in contact with someone just need two negative tests. Now are those tests done over five days? Or are they done over 2 days? Still, a nightmare.
I agree that unfortunately some players are going to get it and will have to quarantine.
Outside of that, I don't see why thinking that the entire roster is going to get Covid is helping anybody. They obviously have these protocols in place for a reason.
If Saquon Barkley gets Covid, unfortunately he just won't be able to play for a bit. Just the way it is.
is trying to do their best with having a season during a pandemic. I think it's commendable that they are even doing this. Having strict protocols in place is just how it's going to have to be for the time being.
I don't think your McCoy example is correct. Just because he was in the room with Jones, doesn't mean Jones can't play. If Jones tests negative, he's fine in that case.
All players and staff will wear proximity tracing devices. If a positive player comes into contact with other players, then those other players have to pass two tests before they can even come back to the facility. (Not clear is if those tests are also spread out over a 5-day period like the other 2x testing mentioned earlier).
Regardless, if Jones comes into contact with McCoy, He can't be with the team until he passes two tests (which I assume can't be on the same day and may have to be over a 5-day period).
You beat me to the punch. What is not clear is if the two tests have to be spread out over 5 days like the earlier mentioned 2x tests... that's not clear. But I can't imagine that they will give both tests on the same day. At best, it will be over a 2 day period. At worst, over a 5-day period).
Colt McCoy tests asymptomatic positive on September 12th. He's been in the QB room with Daniel Jones and Cooper Rush. So AT LEAST all three quarterbacks are out for the season opener on the 14th. We have NO QUARTERBACKS to play the Steelers. Worse, you know at this point, the QBs have been on contact with a bunch more players and coaches. All must go home for at least five days.
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
I mean, what’s the definition of exposed? I’m assuming in the QB room they will be wearing masks and socially distancing. If they were never within 6 feet at any time in the day or two that McCoy went from negative to positive, is that exposure? They are supposed to be following the guidelines to limit exposure, so I’m not sure how this scenario would apply based on guidelines if they are following them
Colt McCoy tests asymptomatic positive on September 12th. He's been in the QB room with Daniel Jones and Cooper Rush. So AT LEAST all three quarterbacks are out for the season opener on the 14th. We have NO QUARTERBACKS to play the Steelers. Worse, you know at this point, the QBs have been on contact with a bunch more players and coaches. All must go home for at least five days.
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
I would assume the film study and group sessions will continue to be done remotely to eliminate a scenario like this.
S&C training will need to be mixed groups, so you can try to avoid an entire unit getting eliminated.
Not sure how you can lower the risk via practice. Maybe teams will hardly hold live practices other than walkthroughs with masks on.
Good points, but again, I'm not talking about Jones catching the virus in this scenario. I'm talking about him being sent home until he passes two tests. (Same with everyone McCoy comes into contact with - think also away travel on an airplane).
to get dressed? Seems impossible to get dressed for practice without breaking the six foot barrier.
The training camp locker rooms will be at MetLife so they can social distance properly.
80 players in a locker room isn't socially distancing imo. From what I have read about the virus, being indoors with no ventilation is the biggest culprit. For awhile the Giants weren't allowed to have 100 people inside the entire building let alone 80 in one room. To me that cannot happen. Outside is different. The odds of catching it outside is much less likely.
Looks like the NFL doesn't give a shit about the product on the field, as long as it's enough to satisfy the TV contracts and get dat revenue.
I don't think it is that.
I think they are caught in a really bad position. The NFLPA is representing the interests of their players (or supposed to be). The NFL is losing billions. Throw into the mix that everyone has their own version of "science" (which suddenly has become subjective) and you probably have league officials, team management, coaches, players, and medical staff with all different sets of opinions on how to proceed.
Not everyone has the same set of interests.
RE: So bottom line, unless the game schedule changes, there’s effectively
still think the season will be shut down pretty quickly. The logistics of having a season in the middle of a pandemic are probably impossible, especially with a contact sport like football. I obviously hope I'm wrong.
Regarding the amount of padding a player has in terms of coronavirus transmission?
It's not about the amount of padding, it's about what they do when they have the pads on. Practices will be different. They will be hitting each other with the pads on. Spittle will be flying.
LOL - The players have been in much more contact with each
No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
RE: The first weeks of the season are going to be filled with injuries
No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
RE: RE: The first weeks of the season are going to be filled with injuries
No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
That's reassuring. 0-6 isn't a bad start for us. It's right on track with the last six years or so.
RE: RE: RE: The first weeks of the season are going to be filled with injuries
No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
That's reassuring. 0-6 isn't a bad start for us. It's right on track with the last six years or so.
complained about football possibly being cancelled. then, football announces it won't b cancelled, but with procedures and protocols in place because the virus is still very much a thing....and people are now complaining about the protocols.
i think we have to come to the conclusion that is is extremely hard for a national sports league to even have a season during this...they are doing their best. they can't appease everyone and their mother about what to do.
The rookies are certainly getting (blanked).
I think one of the last bug hurdles is the opt out. They will have an opt out. That's not a question to me. The question is how do they work on the financials of an opt out.
One, does the player still get paid? I'd assume the player would get some of the salary but not all of it just because that is what has been discussed.
Two, if a player opts out does that count as a year off his contract and if so does it count as a year accrued in the NFL? I think it would count as a year off the contract but not an accrued season. Just a guess.
Three, what is the cap ramifications of an opt out. Say Solder decides to sit out this year, does that give us cap relief? It 100% should. Imagine a whole team sits out and is maxed out. How do they field a team.
I don't see how this works unless the NFL looks the other way.
For example, look at the contact tracing section. If even one asymptomatic player tests positive and comes into contact with other players, all of those other players must be sidelined for at least 5 days.
How the hell is that going to work? (Again, I am operating from the premise that bunch of these players have already or soon will be "infected").
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
If they had nothing, they would get scrutinized for having no protocols.
If they had nothing, they would get scrutinized for having no protocols.
If they abide by their own rules on contact tracing, then significant chunks of an 80 man (and then 55-man) roster will not be available. That's the way it is spelled out.
July 28: Report and receive first test.
July 29-30: Return to home/hotel and only participate in virtual meetings.
July 31: Report and receive second test.
August 1-2: Players who test negative receive physicals.
August 3-14: Strength and conditioning and on-field walk-throughs.
August 16: Helmet and shells practices begin, slowing being ramped up to full-padded work.
I don't know why it would change? (Unless there is a vaccine).
IMO, if we complete a season with no vaccine, the NFL is going to have to let some things slide (and we'll never hear about it for obvious reasons). Otherwise, I don't see how they can do this.
It's almost like tactically coaches/GMs need to have a pod of "designated survivors" for each position group who remain separated from the rest of the team just in case.
When Tanney gets signed off the couch in November and goes on to beat the Geno Smith led Seahawks it's going to be pretty hilarious.
On the flip side, I think all the ramp up/practice time without live games will be a positive for preseason injuries. In CFB teams often start camp early August without preseason games and have high profile matchups scheduled on LDW or earlier as their first game. The first month will likely be rusty but it's doable.
How is this a "worse case scenario"? Unless you are operating under the premise that no New York Giants player or coach will test positive, this seems like a likely scenario.
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I don't know why it would change? (Unless there is a vaccine).
IMO, if we complete a season with no vaccine, the NFL is going to have to let some things slide (and we'll never hear about it for obvious reasons). Otherwise, I don't see how they can do this.
I don't see the five day thing you are talking about. 5 days is for a player that tests positive but then tests negative 2 times in a five day period. Those in contact with someone just need two negative tests. Now are those tests done over five days? Or are they done over 2 days? Still, a nightmare.
Outside of that, I don't see why thinking that the entire roster is going to get Covid is helping anybody. They obviously have these protocols in place for a reason.
If Saquon Barkley gets Covid, unfortunately he just won't be able to play for a bit. Just the way it is.
All players and staff will wear proximity tracing devices. If a positive player comes into contact with other players, then those other players have to pass two tests before they can even come back to the facility. (Not clear is if those tests are also spread out over a 5-day period like the other 2x testing mentioned earlier).
Regardless, if Jones comes into contact with McCoy, He can't be with the team until he passes two tests (which I assume can't be on the same day and may have to be over a 5-day period).
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
I mean, what’s the definition of exposed? I’m assuming in the QB room they will be wearing masks and socially distancing. If they were never within 6 feet at any time in the day or two that McCoy went from negative to positive, is that exposure? They are supposed to be following the guidelines to limit exposure, so I’m not sure how this scenario would apply based on guidelines if they are following them
The training camp locker rooms will be at MetLife so they can social distance properly.
I said it a couple of weeks ago, but how many of these players are going to test asymptomatically when the arrive? 1, 5, 10, 20?
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
I would assume the film study and group sessions will continue to be done remotely to eliminate a scenario like this.
S&C training will need to be mixed groups, so you can try to avoid an entire unit getting eliminated.
Not sure how you can lower the risk via practice. Maybe teams will hardly hold live practices other than walkthroughs with masks on.
Giants Players Report to Training Camp, But No Practices for a While - ( New Window )
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to get dressed? Seems impossible to get dressed for practice without breaking the six foot barrier.
The training camp locker rooms will be at MetLife so they can social distance properly.
80 players in a locker room isn't socially distancing imo. From what I have read about the virus, being indoors with no ventilation is the biggest culprit. For awhile the Giants weren't allowed to have 100 people inside the entire building let alone 80 in one room. To me that cannot happen. Outside is different. The odds of catching it outside is much less likely.
I don't think it is that.
I think they are caught in a really bad position. The NFLPA is representing the interests of their players (or supposed to be). The NFL is losing billions. Throw into the mix that everyone has their own version of "science" (which suddenly has become subjective) and you probably have league officials, team management, coaches, players, and medical staff with all different sets of opinions on how to proceed.
Not everyone has the same set of interests.
Bingo.
Ralph even speculates that real practices may not be held until September.
Just postpone the season already. This plan blows.
Why can't players run on field drills and QB/Receiver routes with throw and catch. You can completely social distance doing this.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
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No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
That's reassuring. 0-6 isn't a bad start for us. It's right on track with the last six years or so.
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No one will be battle tested, players will be tentative, thinking and reacting at the same time, the games will be sloppy, and all of that is a formula for injuries.
The teams with new staffs and young rosters will suffer the most. Unfortunately, the NYG fall in both categories. By the time they reach normal “regular season readiness”, they might be sitting at 0-6.
That's reassuring. 0-6 isn't a bad start for us. It's right on track with the last six years or so.
Well played sir
It will only take one tragedy to end football until there is a vaccine.
i think we have to come to the conclusion that is is extremely hard for a national sports league to even have a season during this...they are doing their best. they can't appease everyone and their mother about what to do.