Science is NOT subjective, it is fact - mathematical included. Now, how one wants to INTERPRET it is subjective. I’ve been VERY doubtful about football from the get go because of how the game is played. That being said, they have to try as best they can. The financial ramifications would ruin the sport. One thing they can’t do, is put safety protocols in place and then knowingly violate them. That comes under “ Hazardous workplace rules federally.
Colt McCoy tests asymptomatic positive on September 12th. He's been in the QB room with Daniel Jones and Cooper Rush. So AT LEAST all three quarterbacks are out for the season opener on the 14th. We have NO QUARTERBACKS to play the Steelers. Worse, you know at this point, the QBs have been on contact with a bunch more players and coaches. All must go home for at least five days.
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
This isn't necessarily true, I happen to be well-versed in the CDC guidelines since I'm working on a construction project building a hospital in NY that was deemed essential and sparred from the shutdown during the outbreak. They actually featured our project on CBS NY a few months back as "The New Normal" since we were the first construction site to adopt the CDC guidelines and amazingly have been able to keep working a 250+ crew throughout with no outbreaks. The CDC definition of close contact is 6 ft or less over 15 minutes. So even if all QB's are in a room together as long as everyone is 6 ft apart they are not considered close contact. Just because one player tests positive not all the others are subject to quarantine. They can even huddle around each other for spurts of time but as long as its not 15+ minutes that they are less than 6 ft then by the CDC guideline they do not have to go into quarantine.
The proximity tracers basically are used to make sure people aren't forced into quarantine, they provide the proof needed that people were either 6 ft apart in a same room or that if they were closer than 6 ft it wasn't for more than 15+ minutes. It will help losing widespread numbers of players just due to protocol of testing.
test positive on Monday the contact tracing
could technically put a bunch of players out for 5 day and/or 2 negative tests.
how do you get a team ready to play with that much down time?
and I think its doable. I am a firefighter and we had 40 of our 285 staff test positive. Mind you not all were tested so likely many more. The good news was most were back in mandatory minimum 14 days with the exception of 3-5 who are all good now and maybe missed a month. i think cdc just narrowed it down to 11 days which could help. If you are losing 2 or 3 players a week its manageable as players will be returning as others go out. The killer is if you lose 3 or 4 starting lineman in one shot. it will be interesting to see if soto spread it to any of his teammates. I think by mid late august baseball will show us if its possible. Although football is much more close contact obviously.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
The new helmets supposedly solve for that issue.
And I'm not remotely concerned about QB rooms - thats probably the single easiest thing to control for... I'm not even that concerned about what happens in the facilities... what will make or break the season is how these players behave and take precautions off the field, and as others have said above, how you keep some of these really unhealthy, older looking coaches and staff from having a bad outcome. I assume Andy Reid will protect himself, wear mask on the sidelines, all of it.. but we'll see.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
I agree completely.
On a 4 and 1 QB sneak its basically 20 guys on top of each other.
How is it with this guidance everyone is not quarantined for at least some time?
They will need to change the quarantine rules or they believe there will be no positive test this season.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
Agreed, there's risks no matter what. The 6 ft-15 minute guideline just allows so that 20+ some odd people aren't immediately disqualified from work for two weeks just from coming physically close for a moment in time with someone who is sick. A very scary scenario though would be Spencer Pulley or whoever plays center got sick on a Monday, because the center does spend 15+ minutes within a 6 ft radius of the entire OL and QB. That's the one scenario I can think of that will wipe out a team. If a WR or skilled player gets sick, they normally are off on an island enough and rotate in and out enough, but a center would be a disaster.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
An metaphor I’ve used on this subject before is that it’s like wearing a condom all through dinner and then taking it off for the sex.
Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
Per sources, camp timeline in the NFL's proposal ...
Day 1: Testing/virtual meetings.
Days 2-3: Virtual meetings.
Day 4: Testing/virtual meetings.
Days 5-6: Physicals.
Days 7-15: Strength and conditioning (with a day off.)
Day 16: Practice starts.
Day 21: First padded practice.
I do have to shake my head again at that guidance. I don't think the virus is watching the clock.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
It sounds like it does, that you accumulate the virus over extended exposure until you get to a certain amount that infects you.
If that were true, we wouldn't have to wear masks.
Eric, from a doctor I was listening to he said this is basically caught inside over time. Wearing a mask helps reduce the chance of getting it. Being outside with ventilation there is basically a zero percent chance of getting it. He said every breath releases about 30 particles of the virus from someone who is a carrier. For someone to get sick they need to have a 1000 particles in their body. He said even if someone coughed on something and you touched it you probably wouldn't get it. That is why I made my comment earlier about the locker room. That seems like the most likely way for this to spread to a team not being in the trenches nor in a huddle.
My daughter is An ICU nurse treating covid for 7 months
And has not gotten it.....close proximity to 100s of very sick people "with covid".
This is not "kuddies"...it transmit like any other virus....more then likely....hand to mouth, eye, nose contact. Who is coughing into someone's mouth?
Air particles contact is basically impossible....then they better be careful of getting hit by lighting as that is more likely.....
I am trying very hard to keep politics out...but I will leave you with this....I was in Miami the past month...my brother had a stroke...hospitals etc...and the covid news was bullshit. Most of the positive cases were positive antibodies test...this has gotten out of hand.
My 30-year old cousin is a surgeon at Bellevue Hospital
This isn't going to work unless there is astronomical luck or the NFL simply looks the other way.
This isn't necessarily true, I happen to be well-versed in the CDC guidelines since I'm working on a construction project building a hospital in NY that was deemed essential and sparred from the shutdown during the outbreak. They actually featured our project on CBS NY a few months back as "The New Normal" since we were the first construction site to adopt the CDC guidelines and amazingly have been able to keep working a 250+ crew throughout with no outbreaks. The CDC definition of close contact is 6 ft or less over 15 minutes. So even if all QB's are in a room together as long as everyone is 6 ft apart they are not considered close contact. Just because one player tests positive not all the others are subject to quarantine. They can even huddle around each other for spurts of time but as long as its not 15+ minutes that they are less than 6 ft then by the CDC guideline they do not have to go into quarantine.
The proximity tracers basically are used to make sure people aren't forced into quarantine, they provide the proof needed that people were either 6 ft apart in a same room or that if they were closer than 6 ft it wasn't for more than 15+ minutes. It will help losing widespread numbers of players just due to protocol of testing.
could technically put a bunch of players out for 5 day and/or 2 negative tests.
how do you get a team ready to play with that much down time?
Did anyone else see the full face mask they are talking about using possible. You can breath but the droplets can't get in
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
The new helmets supposedly solve for that issue.
And I'm not remotely concerned about QB rooms - thats probably the single easiest thing to control for... I'm not even that concerned about what happens in the facilities... what will make or break the season is how these players behave and take precautions off the field, and as others have said above, how you keep some of these really unhealthy, older looking coaches and staff from having a bad outcome. I assume Andy Reid will protect himself, wear mask on the sidelines, all of it.. but we'll see.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
I agree completely.
On a 4 and 1 QB sneak its basically 20 guys on top of each other.
How is it with this guidance everyone is not quarantined for at least some time?
They will need to change the quarantine rules or they believe there will be no positive test this season.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
Agreed, there's risks no matter what. The 6 ft-15 minute guideline just allows so that 20+ some odd people aren't immediately disqualified from work for two weeks just from coming physically close for a moment in time with someone who is sick. A very scary scenario though would be Spencer Pulley or whoever plays center got sick on a Monday, because the center does spend 15+ minutes within a 6 ft radius of the entire OL and QB. That's the one scenario I can think of that will wipe out a team. If a WR or skilled player gets sick, they normally are off on an island enough and rotate in and out enough, but a center would be a disaster.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
An metaphor I’ve used on this subject before is that it’s like wearing a condom all through dinner and then taking it off for the sex.
@AlbertBreer
Per sources, camp timeline in the NFL's proposal ...
Day 1: Testing/virtual meetings.
Days 2-3: Virtual meetings.
Day 4: Testing/virtual meetings.
Days 5-6: Physicals.
Days 7-15: Strength and conditioning (with a day off.)
Day 16: Practice starts.
Day 21: First padded practice.
It will only take one tragedy to end football until there is a vaccine.
Andy Reid is having his own personal portable bubble made. It will look a lot like a moon suit.
Example, nose tackle lines up over center. Both players are literally breathing into each other's mouths. I don't think the 15-minute rule will matter.
It sounds like it does, that you accumulate the virus over extended exposure until you get to a certain amount that infects you.
Eric, from a doctor I was listening to he said this is basically caught inside over time. Wearing a mask helps reduce the chance of getting it. Being outside with ventilation there is basically a zero percent chance of getting it. He said every breath releases about 30 particles of the virus from someone who is a carrier. For someone to get sick they need to have a 1000 particles in their body. He said even if someone coughed on something and you touched it you probably wouldn't get it. That is why I made my comment earlier about the locker room. That seems like the most likely way for this to spread to a team not being in the trenches nor in a huddle.
This is not "kuddies"...it transmit like any other virus....more then likely....hand to mouth, eye, nose contact. Who is coughing into someone's mouth?
Air particles contact is basically impossible....then they better be careful of getting hit by lighting as that is more likely.....
I am trying very hard to keep politics out...but I will leave you with this....I was in Miami the past month...my brother had a stroke...hospitals etc...and the covid news was bullshit. Most of the positive cases were positive antibodies test...this has gotten out of hand.
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Less in the air due to masks, less to breathe in. That's the idea, anyway.
Masks when feasible, outdoors as often as possible, maybe they get the season in. Would be great.