Adams backed them into a corner and all that, can’t blame the jets for doing this, but just like the Knicks and the KP move, it’s sad it came to this. I wouldn’t be happy if I’m a jets fan today. Yea they got a lot back, they still ain’t drafting Jamal adams again with these picks.
very expensive. If it’s a fair trade then the NYG got taken when dealing OBJ.
I think that is better determined by what OBJ does over the next couple of years. Not what Adams got.
Not really. He had enough games before and now some after. Cleveland made the deal on what they knew.
How so? For the Giants to have been scammed he would have to be one of the top receivers after the trade. What he did before the trade has only a value up until the trade. To judge if we did poorly in that trade would depend on what his performance was afterward and how we utilized the draft picks plus J. Peppers performance.
OBJ ranked 29th in receiving yards and 49th in TDs in 2019
I am thinking it differently. I am suggesting DG should have been
maybe you think OBJ should have netted more, but you also don’t know any of the intricate details to make that call.
What we know is Adams is at least as good a safety as Beckham was a WR (and better considering Beckham was injured) and has 2 years of cost control left compared to a big money WR deal.
what they say, but Adams seems more controlled whereas OBJ seems to just lose it ... more importantly, Adams makes his teammates better and his play is infectious ... OBJs main focus is his brand. This is a good trade for both teams.
maybe you think OBJ should have netted more, but you also don’t know any of the intricate details to make that call.
What we know is Adams is at least as good a safety as Beckham was a WR (and better considering Beckham was injured) and has 2 years of cost control left compared to a big money WR deal.
Agree with your assessment, UConn. There is also the factor that, in his own way, not as frontal an in-your-face way as Adams', but Odell was taking his shots at the team, Eli, how the Giants were limiting him, etc. At the time of the trade, it wasn't clear, to me at least, whether the ankle injury would have an impact going forward, capping his explosiveness.
Odell was far more toxic than Adams has been looking at hindsight and comparing both. To get a new deal and still do what he did is where I think the line was finally crossed, something Adams might do but hasn’t happened yet.
I’m sorry but when did safety become some worthless position that doesn’t impact things. Who decided this ? Same people that say rb isn’t impactful?
Adams is the very embodiment of impact player. But what does Pete Carroll, russel Wilson and the Seattle GM know. All they do is win. Let’s trust the jets?
probably the best in the game, but he struggles in space and coverage and let’s be honest, space and coverage is where this game is won or lost at this juncture of the nfl evolution. (Who knows where it will be in a few years but right now the premium value is in space and coverage at that position).
He’s surrounded by two great coverage defenders in Wag and KJ Wright. The only hiccup would be what’s going on with Quinton Dunbar.
But let’s not act like Adams is terrible in coverage, he hasn’t allowed a passer rating over 75 against him in two years.
Adams and Wagner would also be included in any top 3 hardest hitting players list in the NFL. Offenses now have to deal with two of those players on the same team.
They wanted an Enforcer and I have to believe Adams is exactly that
I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
Im sure Adams tried to make it work plenty of times before he became publicly disgruntled, he was a captain and is a pretty cerebral guy.
When you play that hard, you just want to be on a team that’s going to make the same level of sacrifice. Besides maybe the Ravens, there isn’t a better defense in the league he could have gone to. They just traded away their two best players on defense in less than a year and replaced them with basically the next up on the depth chart.
That’s a tough pill to swallow.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
Im sure Adams tried to make it work plenty of times before he became publicly disgruntled, he was a captain and is a pretty cerebral guy.
When you play that hard, you just want to be on a team that’s going to make the same level of sacrifice. Besides maybe the Ravens, there isn’t a better defense in the league he could have gone to. They just traded away their two best players on defense in less than a year and replaced them with basically the next up on the depth chart.
That’s a tough pill to swallow.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
You left out all pro player.
At first I thought the Jets got off with a coup, but I'm starting
to think its not as bad as it originally seems. Jamal Adams had other suitors and imo it was pretty clear he was just being a headache because he was at complete odds with Gase and the Jets FO.
IMO RW is a top 3 QB and probably has 3-4 more years of his prime and then who knows what. I personally think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB game, or at least was but look how much his play dropped off after his knee injury and he had to become a pure pocket passer. Hard to imagine a non pure pocket passer playing well past 35. Might as well make a run while you can, plus he's a great fit for what they do over there defensively.
probably the best in the game, but he struggles in space and coverage and let’s be honest, space and coverage is where this game is won or lost at this juncture of the nfl evolution. (Who knows where it will be in a few years but right now the premium value is in space and coverage at that position).
Agree with all of this.
His impact would be significant on a team with an already good pass defense.
I wouldn't underestimate Pete Carroll's ability to maximize his abilities, but at the same time even if this is Kam Chancellor in his prime, you're still missing Earl Thomas and a pair of edge rushers (not to mention CBs on the caliber of Sherman/Browner).
I think he represents a unique ability to deal with mobile QBs and TEs. In a division with Kittle and Kyler Murray, should be interesting to see how he fares against those two.
This is easily the best talent Seattle has traded for since Marshawn Lynch. He will likely be as good as he with the Jets or better. The problem is the safety position on a mediocre defense is a lot lower on impact than the positions of TE (Jimmy Graham), WR (Percy Harvin), OT (Duane Brown), DE (Clowney). None of those acquisitions lived up to the draft capital. The Jimmy Graham trade was the worst because they gave up an all pro center (Max Unger) that hurt their run game while pairing Graham with a QB who wasn't close to Drew Brees.
Not sure this will live up the draft capital either.
Seattle is overrated from a GM perspective because they nailed the 2010-2012 FA/Trade/Drafts that built a monster, but since then hasn't yielded much.
They never nail a first rounder ever, and can only trade for a decent first round player from time to time. So in a weird way, they can rationalize giving up two 1sts, but then at the same time if you can never land even a decent 1st round player you're never going to be great. Earl Thomas was their last great homegrown 1st round player, ten years ago.
Another top heavy team weak in the trenches. Will be entertaining week to week but won't be a dominant team. Last year's +7 point differential was flukish.....9th best in the conference, despite having 4th best record.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I don’t condone what players like Adams do to get traded elsewhere but Gase has been the problem since he arrived and there’s really no way around that. Awful hire, awful HC, and I don’t doubt a single thing Adams claimed he does (or doesn’t do). Gase is a disaster.
As for Adams in coverage, maybe he will excel playing for a franchise that knows what the fuck it’s doing and has players around him, I need to see him not play for the Jets before I get on him for lack of coverage skills.
I don’t condone what players like Adams do to get traded elsewhere but Gase has been the problem since he arrived and there’s really no way around that. Awful hire, awful HC, and I don’t doubt a single thing Adams claimed he does (or doesn’t do). Gase is a disaster.
As for Adams in coverage, maybe he will excel playing for a franchise that knows what the fuck it’s doing and has players around him, I need to see him not play for the Jets before I get on him for lack of coverage skills.
Good points, the Jets CB’s have been among the worst in football during Adams’ entire career. He’s still been a great player regardless and I expect him to thrive in Seattle with more talent and a much better coaching staff.
Gase not only is a poor HC he also doesn’t have a good relationship with many his players.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
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I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
No he won't because they have a great coach and system plus they are a veteran team lead by Russell Wilson. Just about every one of your predictions were wrong last year so maybe just stick to a Jets site.
I still don't understand why people like this post on another teams fan site.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
You sound awfully bias against Seattle. I wonder why.
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I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
No he won't because they have a great coach and system plus they are a veteran team lead by Russell Wilson. Just about every one of your predictions were wrong last year so maybe just stick to a Jets site.
I still don't understand why people like this post on another teams fan site.
BBI overrates the Seahawks a bit too much.
They're the definition of a tough out, but by DVOA standards they are nowhere near the team they were 5+ years ago.
They hold it together and win games in dramatic fashion here and there but it's not the same secondary as years past.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
You sound awfully bias against Seattle. I wonder why.
Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
had to be paid right then and there to the tune of $90m guaranteed - Bears also got a 2nd back in that trade. The two firsts were late teens and early 20s and if Seattle is playing in the NFC title game then those picks they gave up are almost 2nds.
Mack’s deal also has 3x the guaranteed money as Landon Collins who has the largest overall deal for Safeties. Even when paid Adams will be a bargain for the value he brings and Seattle gets 2+ years before having to if they want.
Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
The best part is, he CLEARLY doesn’t read BBI while he’s here. Giants fans on this site have been slobbering all over Dallas and Philly for my entire lifetime. Reading BBI you’d think the Cowboys have won 25 Super Bowls in a row with the way we gush about their talent year after year after year after year. We have grown to be petrified of the Eagles because they have kicked our asses for so long.
So yeah, his comparison and “justification” for throwing dirt on the Seahawks because we do it too is comical. At best.
RE: Adams evidently will play at his current contract this season.
As soon as the season ends I imagine he'll start running his mouth again for a contract. Until them, Seattle has added a great weapon
What. This all just reiterates this wasn't about the contract like I have been saying all along. These guys have very little leverage. Actually there only leverage is being a pain in the ass if they hate their work enivironment. But because they make a lot of money it's like they deserve misery to some people.
RE: RE: Adams evidently will play at his current contract this season.
As soon as the season ends I imagine he'll start running his mouth again for a contract. Until them, Seattle has added a great weapon
What. This all just reiterates this wasn't about the contract like I have been saying all along. These guys have very little leverage. Actually there only leverage is being a pain in the ass if they hate their work enivironment. But because they make a lot of money it's like they deserve misery to some people.
Deserve misery? No, I don't think they do. I do think they should be professionals though
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Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
The best part is, he CLEARLY doesn’t read BBI while he’s here. Giants fans on this site have been slobbering all over Dallas and Philly for my entire lifetime. Reading BBI you’d think the Cowboys have won 25 Super Bowls in a row with the way we gush about their talent year after year after year after year. We have grown to be petrified of the Eagles because they have kicked our asses for so long.
So yeah, his comparison and “justification” for throwing dirt on the Seahawks because we do it too is comical. At best.
Obviously not, every offseason we see numerous posters praising Dallas/Phily liked you mentioned. The Eagles "dream team" offseason was probably the most ridiculous time on here.
Why should the be "professional" if they don't view their work
is Seattle can trade him too. If Adams has a great year and they can’t get a contract done, well they can ship him to someone who can (that would be like Khalil Mack). Sure, they won’t recoup the two 1sts but it would help mitigate Th reinvestment if it didn’t work out. And they are a legit title threat (if this was a normal season) so for them it’s worth the gamble (which could end up being a good long term home for Adams anyway).
Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
Becton is a rookie and Bell is butthurt because he got pitched on coming to the Jets by Adams. This was all before Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom. Now the teams best defensive player is gone. And they are gaining first round picks who if they pan out, will probably be in their primes sometime around the time Bell becomes expendable. This was all before the Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom.
Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
Becton is a rookie and Bell is butthurt because he got pitched on coming to the Jets by Adams. This was all before Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom. Now the teams best defensive player is gone. And they are gaining first round picks who if they pan out, will probably be in their primes sometime around the time Bell becomes expendable. This was all before the Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom.
So, do you actually think Adams has done nothing wrong here?
No I don't. He was using his only leverage to get himself out of a
I’m sorry but when did safety become some worthless position that doesn’t impact things. Who decided this ? Same people that say rb isn’t impactful?
Adams is the very embodiment of impact player. But what does Pete Carroll, russel Wilson and the Seattle GM know. All they do is win. Let’s trust the jets?
Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
If it’s so easy to find RB’s why did the Jets give Bell over $13 million per season despite sitting out a season for a SB contender and with all the carries he has accumulated during his career? You’re always raving about every move the Jets make explain that brilliant decision to me?
Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
If it’s so easy to find RB’s why did the Jets give Bell over $13 million per season despite sitting out a season for a SB contender and with all the carries he has accumulated during his career? You’re always raving about every move the Jets make explain that brilliant decision to me?
I was against that move. Never wanted Bell. That was a Mac move not a Douglas move. He ended up coming a lot cheaper than expected and the deal was friendly enough to where I could stomach it, but I never wanted Bell here
I was against that move. Never wanted Bell. That was a Mac move not a Douglas move. He ended up coming a lot cheaper than expected and the deal was friendly enough to where I could stomach it, but I never wanted Bell here
Well it’s so easy to find RB’s! Why did ownership sign off on the move made by a GM they were about to fire? A lot cheaper?? He was the second highest paid RB in football. For the 1,000th time why are you here?
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very expensive. If it’s a fair trade then the NYG got taken when dealing OBJ.
I think that is better determined by what OBJ does over the next couple of years. Not what Adams got.
Not really. He had enough games before and now some after. Cleveland made the deal on what they knew.
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very expensive. If it’s a fair trade then the NYG got taken when dealing OBJ.
I think that is better determined by what OBJ does over the next couple of years. Not what Adams got.
Not really. He had enough games before and now some after. Cleveland made the deal on what they knew.
How so? For the Giants to have been scammed he would have to be one of the top receivers after the trade. What he did before the trade has only a value up until the trade. To judge if we did poorly in that trade would depend on what his performance was afterward and how we utilized the draft picks plus J. Peppers performance.
OBJ ranked 29th in receiving yards and 49th in TDs in 2019
Maybe Cleveland was smarter and was only going to pay for the 2018 version which played out almost the same in 2019.
He has only played about 10 games thus far for Giants but really hoping there is more there than what we have seen so far.
What we know is Adams is at least as good a safety as Beckham was a WR (and better considering Beckham was injured) and has 2 years of cost control left compared to a big money WR deal.
I get what Seattle looks at - they are already a good team and now have a top level player behind good LBs
2 different looks due to teams at totally different stages
What we know is Adams is at least as good a safety as Beckham was a WR (and better considering Beckham was injured) and has 2 years of cost control left compared to a big money WR deal.
I’m sorry but when did safety become some worthless position that doesn’t impact things. Who decided this ? Same people that say rb isn’t impactful?
Adams is the very embodiment of impact player. But what does Pete Carroll, russel Wilson and the Seattle GM know. All they do is win. Let’s trust the jets?
He’s surrounded by two great coverage defenders in Wag and KJ Wright. The only hiccup would be what’s going on with Quinton Dunbar.
But let’s not act like Adams is terrible in coverage, he hasn’t allowed a passer rating over 75 against him in two years.
Adams and Wagner would also be included in any top 3 hardest hitting players list in the NFL. Offenses now have to deal with two of those players on the same team.
They wanted an Enforcer and I have to believe Adams is exactly that
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I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
Im sure Adams tried to make it work plenty of times before he became publicly disgruntled, he was a captain and is a pretty cerebral guy.
When you play that hard, you just want to be on a team that’s going to make the same level of sacrifice. Besides maybe the Ravens, there isn’t a better defense in the league he could have gone to. They just traded away their two best players on defense in less than a year and replaced them with basically the next up on the depth chart.
That’s a tough pill to swallow.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
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I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
Im sure Adams tried to make it work plenty of times before he became publicly disgruntled, he was a captain and is a pretty cerebral guy.
When you play that hard, you just want to be on a team that’s going to make the same level of sacrifice. Besides maybe the Ravens, there isn’t a better defense in the league he could have gone to. They just traded away their two best players on defense in less than a year and replaced them with basically the next up on the depth chart.
That’s a tough pill to swallow.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
You left out all pro player.
IMO RW is a top 3 QB and probably has 3-4 more years of his prime and then who knows what. I personally think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB game, or at least was but look how much his play dropped off after his knee injury and he had to become a pure pocket passer. Hard to imagine a non pure pocket passer playing well past 35. Might as well make a run while you can, plus he's a great fit for what they do over there defensively.
Agree with all of this.
His impact would be significant on a team with an already good pass defense.
I wouldn't underestimate Pete Carroll's ability to maximize his abilities, but at the same time even if this is Kam Chancellor in his prime, you're still missing Earl Thomas and a pair of edge rushers (not to mention CBs on the caliber of Sherman/Browner).
I think he represents a unique ability to deal with mobile QBs and TEs. In a division with Kittle and Kyler Murray, should be interesting to see how he fares against those two.
This is easily the best talent Seattle has traded for since Marshawn Lynch. He will likely be as good as he with the Jets or better. The problem is the safety position on a mediocre defense is a lot lower on impact than the positions of TE (Jimmy Graham), WR (Percy Harvin), OT (Duane Brown), DE (Clowney). None of those acquisitions lived up to the draft capital. The Jimmy Graham trade was the worst because they gave up an all pro center (Max Unger) that hurt their run game while pairing Graham with a QB who wasn't close to Drew Brees.
Not sure this will live up the draft capital either.
Seattle is overrated from a GM perspective because they nailed the 2010-2012 FA/Trade/Drafts that built a monster, but since then hasn't yielded much.
They never nail a first rounder ever, and can only trade for a decent first round player from time to time. So in a weird way, they can rationalize giving up two 1sts, but then at the same time if you can never land even a decent 1st round player you're never going to be great. Earl Thomas was their last great homegrown 1st round player, ten years ago.
Another top heavy team weak in the trenches. Will be entertaining week to week but won't be a dominant team. Last year's +7 point differential was flukish.....9th best in the conference, despite having 4th best record.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I don’t condone what players like Adams do to get traded elsewhere but Gase has been the problem since he arrived and there’s really no way around that. Awful hire, awful HC, and I don’t doubt a single thing Adams claimed he does (or doesn’t do). Gase is a disaster.
As for Adams in coverage, maybe he will excel playing for a franchise that knows what the fuck it’s doing and has players around him, I need to see him not play for the Jets before I get on him for lack of coverage skills.
I don’t condone what players like Adams do to get traded elsewhere but Gase has been the problem since he arrived and there’s really no way around that. Awful hire, awful HC, and I don’t doubt a single thing Adams claimed he does (or doesn’t do). Gase is a disaster.
As for Adams in coverage, maybe he will excel playing for a franchise that knows what the fuck it’s doing and has players around him, I need to see him not play for the Jets before I get on him for lack of coverage skills.
Good points, the Jets CB’s have been among the worst in football during Adams’ entire career. He’s still been a great player regardless and I expect him to thrive in Seattle with more talent and a much better coaching staff.
Gase not only is a poor HC he also doesn’t have a good relationship with many his players.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
No he won't because they have a great coach and system plus they are a veteran team lead by Russell Wilson. Just about every one of your predictions were wrong last year so maybe just stick to a Jets site.
I still don't understand why people like this post on another teams fan site.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
You sound awfully bias against Seattle. I wonder why.
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I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
No he won't because they have a great coach and system plus they are a veteran team lead by Russell Wilson. Just about every one of your predictions were wrong last year so maybe just stick to a Jets site.
I still don't understand why people like this post on another teams fan site.
BBI overrates the Seahawks a bit too much.
They're the definition of a tough out, but by DVOA standards they are nowhere near the team they were 5+ years ago.
They hold it together and win games in dramatic fashion here and there but it's not the same secondary as years past.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
You sound awfully bias against Seattle. I wonder why.
Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
Mack’s deal also has 3x the guaranteed money as Landon Collins who has the largest overall deal for Safeties. Even when paid Adams will be a bargain for the value he brings and Seattle gets 2+ years before having to if they want.
2 TFL, 23 pressures, .5 sacks, 16 QB hits
10 TFl, 16 pressures, 6.5 sacks, 13 QB hits
Plus a career ~55% completion against and 75% rating against.
He might be a turd, but players that good rarely become available.
Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
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Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
The best part is, he CLEARLY doesn’t read BBI while he’s here. Giants fans on this site have been slobbering all over Dallas and Philly for my entire lifetime. Reading BBI you’d think the Cowboys have won 25 Super Bowls in a row with the way we gush about their talent year after year after year after year. We have grown to be petrified of the Eagles because they have kicked our asses for so long.
So yeah, his comparison and “justification” for throwing dirt on the Seahawks because we do it too is comical. At best.
What. This all just reiterates this wasn't about the contract like I have been saying all along. These guys have very little leverage. Actually there only leverage is being a pain in the ass if they hate their work enivironment. But because they make a lot of money it's like they deserve misery to some people.
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As soon as the season ends I imagine he'll start running his mouth again for a contract. Until them, Seattle has added a great weapon
What. This all just reiterates this wasn't about the contract like I have been saying all along. These guys have very little leverage. Actually there only leverage is being a pain in the ass if they hate their work enivironment. But because they make a lot of money it's like they deserve misery to some people.
Deserve misery? No, I don't think they do. I do think they should be professionals though
Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
The best part is, he CLEARLY doesn’t read BBI while he’s here. Giants fans on this site have been slobbering all over Dallas and Philly for my entire lifetime. Reading BBI you’d think the Cowboys have won 25 Super Bowls in a row with the way we gush about their talent year after year after year after year. We have grown to be petrified of the Eagles because they have kicked our asses for so long.
So yeah, his comparison and “justification” for throwing dirt on the Seahawks because we do it too is comical. At best.
Obviously not, every offseason we see numerous posters praising Dallas/Phily liked you mentioned. The Eagles "dream team" offseason was probably the most ridiculous time on here.
Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
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Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
Becton is a rookie and Bell is butthurt because he got pitched on coming to the Jets by Adams. This was all before Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom. Now the teams best defensive player is gone. And they are gaining first round picks who if they pan out, will probably be in their primes sometime around the time Bell becomes expendable. This was all before the Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom.
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environment as professional?
Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
Becton is a rookie and Bell is butthurt because he got pitched on coming to the Jets by Adams. This was all before Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom. Now the teams best defensive player is gone. And they are gaining first round picks who if they pan out, will probably be in their primes sometime around the time Bell becomes expendable. This was all before the Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom.
So, do you actually think Adams has done nothing wrong here?
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Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
Keep your friends close and your....
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2 first rounders is crazy for a safety.
I’m sorry but when did safety become some worthless position that doesn’t impact things. Who decided this ? Same people that say rb isn’t impactful?
Adams is the very embodiment of impact player. But what does Pete Carroll, russel Wilson and the Seattle GM know. All they do is win. Let’s trust the jets?
Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
If it’s so easy to find RB’s why did the Jets give Bell over $13 million per season despite sitting out a season for a SB contender and with all the carries he has accumulated during his career? You’re always raving about every move the Jets make explain that brilliant decision to me?
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Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
If it’s so easy to find RB’s why did the Jets give Bell over $13 million per season despite sitting out a season for a SB contender and with all the carries he has accumulated during his career? You’re always raving about every move the Jets make explain that brilliant decision to me?
I was against that move. Never wanted Bell. That was a Mac move not a Douglas move. He ended up coming a lot cheaper than expected and the deal was friendly enough to where I could stomach it, but I never wanted Bell here
I was against that move. Never wanted Bell. That was a Mac move not a Douglas move. He ended up coming a lot cheaper than expected and the deal was friendly enough to where I could stomach it, but I never wanted Bell here
Well it’s so easy to find RB’s! Why did ownership sign off on the move made by a GM they were about to fire? A lot cheaper?? He was the second highest paid RB in football. For the 1,000th time why are you here?