but those will be high picks in the first round, and the Jets just lost their best player by miles. They'll be rebuilding for awhile at this point. Seattle is gonna be really good for awhile.
Beyond that, Jamal Adams wants a new contract and that’s going to eat into Seattle’s cap space. This is reminiscent of the “all-in” moves the Rams made, except now the salary-cap isn’t expected to skyrocket.
IMO, the Seahawks must win immediately for this to pay off
This looks like a huge haul for the Jets and a stupid move for Seattle. They traded away a package one would expect for a franchise quarterback. All for a guy thats signed for a season that may not occur, on a team he really didn't want to go to and who can walk in no later than '22.
This looks like a huge haul for the Jets and a stupid move for Seattle. They traded away a package one would expect for a franchise quarterback. All for a guy thats signed for a season that may not occur, on a team he really didn't want to go to and who can walk in no later than '22.
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The trade: Jets send Jamal Adams and 2022 4th round pick to Seattle.
Jets get 2021 1st round pick, 2022 1st round pick, 2021 3rd round pick, safety Bradley McDougald. #nyj
I’m glad they got a good haul for him. I didn’t want to see them get screwed over because they were forced to get rid of a great talent that became a problem. And he didn’t go to Dallas!
Can't believe we got two firsts out of it. I was hoping for it but two first for a safety didn't seem very realistic. But Douglas pulled it off, along with a serviceable player (McDougald) and a 3rd for a 4th exchange. JD is showing himself to be quite the shrewd GM
I didn't think they would get close to that kind of compensation for Adams.
Next year's draft is going to be unusual at best. This college season is going to be unchartered territory. Shorter season - for 1. For Juniors with little game tape they may wait to Sr year leaving less of a pool with players to really impact NFL rosters.
I think Seattle is smart for going to get a proven player amidst all that uncertainty.
There is a reason he was on the block for so long.
In the flip side this is beyond stupid to me from Seattle's perspective. They aren't a safety away from being a true contender to me. That OL is still very poor. Their drafts have been pretty fuckin bad lately. This is just another big splash move by Carroll like getting Jimmy Graham or Clowney. Where did those moves get them? That team has slowly deteriorated and Carroll thinks one big move is going to breathe life back into that team. As long as Wilson is there they have a chance but they need way more than him. Now, maybe Seattle is better off with Adams than fucking up their picks but if they don't win it this year then they have limited resources now to continually improve their team. This is really a now or never type of move and when do those moves really pay off?
I didn't think they would get close to that kind of compensation for Adams.
Next year's draft is going to be unusual at best. This college season is going to be unchartered territory. Shorter season - for 1. For Juniors with little game tape they may wait to Sr year leaving less of a pool with players to really impact NFL rosters.
I think Seattle is smart for going to get a proven player amidst all that uncertainty.
Agree 100%. With everything going on, the next draft (maybe 2) will be even bigger crap shoots than usual. 2 first rond picks is a nice haul, but so is having one of the best defensive players in the league.
There is a reason he was on the block for so long.
In the flip side this is beyond stupid to me from Seattle's perspective. They aren't a safety away from being a true contender to me. That OL is still very poor. Their drafts have been pretty fuckin bad lately. This is just another big splash move by Carroll like getting Jimmy Graham or Clowney. Where did those moves get them? That team has slowly deteriorated and Carroll thinks one big move is going to breathe life back into that team. As long as Wilson is there they have a chance but they need way more than him. Now, maybe Seattle is better off with Adams than fucking up their picks but if they don't win it this year then they have limited resources now to continually improve their team. This is really a now or never type of move and when do those moves really pay off?
Gotta disagree with you there. They were in the divisional round of the playoffs and lost by less than a score, that means they’re already a contender.
You say their drafts have been pretty bad but then berate them for trading away picks.
Yes, it is a win now move for them, why would they be anything other than a win now team with a 30 yr old Russel Wilson and a 30 yr old Bobby Wagner. Just think about the star power a team needs if they hope to contend with the Chiefs right now, barring injuries across the board, they will be dominant for the next 10 years.
Needless to say, I like the move for Seattle. I just looked at the Jets depth chart and if there is one team that looks worse than we do, it is them. They have a lot of work to do and draft picks don’t guarantee anything, for example, the Cleveland Browns.
I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
There is a reason he was on the block for so long.
In the flip side this is beyond stupid to me from Seattle's perspective. They aren't a safety away from being a true contender to me. That OL is still very poor. Their drafts have been pretty fuckin bad lately. This is just another big splash move by Carroll like getting Jimmy Graham or Clowney. Where did those moves get them? That team has slowly deteriorated and Carroll thinks one big move is going to breathe life back into that team. As long as Wilson is there they have a chance but they need way more than him. Now, maybe Seattle is better off with Adams than fucking up their picks but if they don't win it this year then they have limited resources now to continually improve their team. This is really a now or never type of move and when do those moves really pay off?
Gotta disagree with you there. They were in the divisional round of the playoffs and lost by less than a score, that means they’re already a contender.
You say their drafts have been pretty bad but then berate them for trading away picks.
Yes, it is a win now move for them, why would they be anything other than a win now team with a 30 yr old Russel Wilson and a 30 yr old Bobby Wagner. Just think about the star power a team needs if they hope to contend with the Chiefs right now, barring injuries across the board, they will be dominant for the next 10 years.
Needless to say, I like the move for Seattle. I just looked at the Jets depth chart and if there is one team that looks worse than we do, it is them. They have a lot of work to do and draft picks don’t guarantee anything, for example, the Cleveland Browns.
My point is this is as god as they are going to be fir the foreseeable future. They will have to give Adams a huge contract soon enough. They are down on premium picks. Yes, they have sucked with their picks and I made the comment in my previous post that made this works out better than using the picks. Still, just because getting Adams may be better than the picks doesn't make it the right move imo. It can be a lose lose situation. Imo, they should be doing what they can to protect Wilson and fix that OL. Wilson is so amazing. I make comments all the time how these mobile QBs aren't good investments to me. They all get hurt. (Don't take this the wrong way. These players have success. But guys like Watson, Wentz, Tannehill, Darnold, Rodgers, etc. have a missed time. Saying not a good investment isn't the right phrase. It's just that it is hard to count on these guys to win a championship) The only exception has been Wilson.
That OL should have been built up and instead of doing that they got run blockers to help out their run game. It has helped but it isn't enough.
If a team were to take a chance the I get why Seattle did. Still, I don't think it is wise. In the NFL when you basically put all your eggs into one basket it never works out. That's what I see here.
I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
They just lost their best player on the team by miles. They don't have a great defense anymore. They're banking everything on Sam Darnold. No real offensive line or weapons to speak of. They got the two 1st round picks, BUT unfortunately for the Jets, Seattle is already and will be a very good team for the next two years, so those two 1st round picks will be near the end of the 1st round, not at the top. Don't get me wrong. Those two picks are valuable, but it's not like they're going to have two top 10 picks or even two picks in the top half of the first round for that matter. And now the Jets need basically every position under the sun...again.
I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
Im sure Adams tried to make it work plenty of times before he became publicly disgruntled, he was a captain and is a pretty cerebral guy.
When you play that hard, you just want to be on a team that’s going to make the same level of sacrifice. Besides maybe the Ravens, there isn’t a better defense in the league he could have gone to. They just traded away their two best players on defense in less than a year and replaced them with basically the next up on the depth chart.
They just lost their best player on the team by miles. They don't have a great defense anymore. They're banking everything on Sam Darnold. No real offensive line or weapons to speak of. They got the two 1st round picks, BUT unfortunately for the Jets, Seattle is already and will be a very good team for the next two years, so those two 1st round picks will be near the end of the 1st round, not at the top. Don't get me wrong. Those two picks are valuable, but it's not like they're going to have two top 10 picks or even two picks in the top half of the first round for that matter. And now the Jets need basically every position under the sun...again.
The picks they received if packaged together could easily get them into the top 5
they are already a contender and if Metcalf takes the next step that offense adds a new dimension. And they lost both their RBs for the playoffs so they couldn’t really lean on that like they did in the regular season - if they had Carson and Penny I bet the win that fame. They’ve also been missing that additional playmaker on defense and now they have one.
Good trade for the Jets too but they still have to make the picks for it to work out and that’s something they haven’t been good at.
Seattle defense gave up more yards than Giants last year
Bradley Mcdougald was likely a big part of that, he started at SS against a run heavy 49ers offense, fighting for the NFC West title and a bye week in the playoffs. Not only was he the source of a few 49ers highlights that day, but he had a combined 2 tackles and no other recorded stats.
Jamal Adams definitely makes that team better, they traded for Quandre Diggs in the middle of the season and he took some time getting acclimated. All they need is to resign Clowney and I’d put my money on them to represent the NFC in the super bowl.
I'd take that bet. Defense was only slightly better than the Giants, run defense was worse.
They played a pretty soft schedule. Split w/Rams, swept the Cards, Bengals, Steelers (2pts), Browns (4 points), Atlanta (3 pts.), Tampa (OT), Carolina 6 points.
I hear what ur sayin but have you looked at an updated Seattle defense depth chart? Db’s are Shaquill Griffin, Quinton Dunbar, Tre Flowers. Lb’s are Bobby Wagner, K.J. Wright and newcomer Jordyn Brooks. D line has Jarran Reed, Mayowa, Green and Collier? Bruce Irvin also in the fold? Their biggest weakness is d line and that changes if Clowney is back.
They will be a much better defense than they were last year, that should go without saying. All I’m saying is that my Seahawks friends are ecstatic right now and I agree with their outlook.
The Jets were in a tough spot with Adams. But the Jets aren’t a contender next season so why not deal a guy who’s talking shit about your HC for a haul of picks? They can season Darnold some more and get him some weapons and reload on the defense. I don’t know the Jets cap sitch but the extra first round picks will help.
For Seattle, yes, its a lot to give up but they have two stars already in Wagner and Wilson and Adams makes them a much better defense. Seattle has Wilson who can and does carry that offense and Adams is gonna love playing there and make the Seahawks defense pretty fucking fierce.
I don't know... everyone was criticizing the Steelers for trading what would have been a very high 1st round pick for Fitzpatrick, but he wound up being a huge reason they finished 8-8 instead of much worse.
Adams backed them into a corner and all that, can’t blame the jets for doing this, but just like the Knicks and the KP move, it’s sad it came to this. I wouldn’t be happy if I’m a jets fan today. Yea they got a lot back, they still ain’t drafting Jamal adams again with these picks.
very expensive. If it’s a fair trade then the NYG got taken when dealing OBJ.
I think that is better determined by what OBJ does over the next couple of years. Not what Adams got.
Not really. He had enough games before and now some after. Cleveland made the deal on what they knew.
How so? For the Giants to have been scammed he would have to be one of the top receivers after the trade. What he did before the trade has only a value up until the trade. To judge if we did poorly in that trade would depend on what his performance was afterward and how we utilized the draft picks plus J. Peppers performance.
OBJ ranked 29th in receiving yards and 49th in TDs in 2019
I am thinking it differently. I am suggesting DG should have been
maybe you think OBJ should have netted more, but you also don’t know any of the intricate details to make that call.
What we know is Adams is at least as good a safety as Beckham was a WR (and better considering Beckham was injured) and has 2 years of cost control left compared to a big money WR deal.
what they say, but Adams seems more controlled whereas OBJ seems to just lose it ... more importantly, Adams makes his teammates better and his play is infectious ... OBJs main focus is his brand. This is a good trade for both teams.
maybe you think OBJ should have netted more, but you also don’t know any of the intricate details to make that call.
What we know is Adams is at least as good a safety as Beckham was a WR (and better considering Beckham was injured) and has 2 years of cost control left compared to a big money WR deal.
Agree with your assessment, UConn. There is also the factor that, in his own way, not as frontal an in-your-face way as Adams', but Odell was taking his shots at the team, Eli, how the Giants were limiting him, etc. At the time of the trade, it wasn't clear, to me at least, whether the ankle injury would have an impact going forward, capping his explosiveness.
Odell was far more toxic than Adams has been looking at hindsight and comparing both. To get a new deal and still do what he did is where I think the line was finally crossed, something Adams might do but hasn’t happened yet.
I’m sorry but when did safety become some worthless position that doesn’t impact things. Who decided this ? Same people that say rb isn’t impactful?
Adams is the very embodiment of impact player. But what does Pete Carroll, russel Wilson and the Seattle GM know. All they do is win. Let’s trust the jets?
probably the best in the game, but he struggles in space and coverage and let’s be honest, space and coverage is where this game is won or lost at this juncture of the nfl evolution. (Who knows where it will be in a few years but right now the premium value is in space and coverage at that position).
He’s surrounded by two great coverage defenders in Wag and KJ Wright. The only hiccup would be what’s going on with Quinton Dunbar.
But let’s not act like Adams is terrible in coverage, he hasn’t allowed a passer rating over 75 against him in two years.
Adams and Wagner would also be included in any top 3 hardest hitting players list in the NFL. Offenses now have to deal with two of those players on the same team.
They wanted an Enforcer and I have to believe Adams is exactly that
I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
Im sure Adams tried to make it work plenty of times before he became publicly disgruntled, he was a captain and is a pretty cerebral guy.
When you play that hard, you just want to be on a team that’s going to make the same level of sacrifice. Besides maybe the Ravens, there isn’t a better defense in the league he could have gone to. They just traded away their two best players on defense in less than a year and replaced them with basically the next up on the depth chart.
That’s a tough pill to swallow.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
Im sure Adams tried to make it work plenty of times before he became publicly disgruntled, he was a captain and is a pretty cerebral guy.
When you play that hard, you just want to be on a team that’s going to make the same level of sacrifice. Besides maybe the Ravens, there isn’t a better defense in the league he could have gone to. They just traded away their two best players on defense in less than a year and replaced them with basically the next up on the depth chart.
That’s a tough pill to swallow.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
You left out all pro player.
At first I thought the Jets got off with a coup, but I'm starting
to think its not as bad as it originally seems. Jamal Adams had other suitors and imo it was pretty clear he was just being a headache because he was at complete odds with Gase and the Jets FO.
IMO RW is a top 3 QB and probably has 3-4 more years of his prime and then who knows what. I personally think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB game, or at least was but look how much his play dropped off after his knee injury and he had to become a pure pocket passer. Hard to imagine a non pure pocket passer playing well past 35. Might as well make a run while you can, plus he's a great fit for what they do over there defensively.
probably the best in the game, but he struggles in space and coverage and let’s be honest, space and coverage is where this game is won or lost at this juncture of the nfl evolution. (Who knows where it will be in a few years but right now the premium value is in space and coverage at that position).
Agree with all of this.
His impact would be significant on a team with an already good pass defense.
I wouldn't underestimate Pete Carroll's ability to maximize his abilities, but at the same time even if this is Kam Chancellor in his prime, you're still missing Earl Thomas and a pair of edge rushers (not to mention CBs on the caliber of Sherman/Browner).
I think he represents a unique ability to deal with mobile QBs and TEs. In a division with Kittle and Kyler Murray, should be interesting to see how he fares against those two.
This is easily the best talent Seattle has traded for since Marshawn Lynch. He will likely be as good as he with the Jets or better. The problem is the safety position on a mediocre defense is a lot lower on impact than the positions of TE (Jimmy Graham), WR (Percy Harvin), OT (Duane Brown), DE (Clowney). None of those acquisitions lived up to the draft capital. The Jimmy Graham trade was the worst because they gave up an all pro center (Max Unger) that hurt their run game while pairing Graham with a QB who wasn't close to Drew Brees.
Not sure this will live up the draft capital either.
Seattle is overrated from a GM perspective because they nailed the 2010-2012 FA/Trade/Drafts that built a monster, but since then hasn't yielded much.
They never nail a first rounder ever, and can only trade for a decent first round player from time to time. So in a weird way, they can rationalize giving up two 1sts, but then at the same time if you can never land even a decent 1st round player you're never going to be great. Earl Thomas was their last great homegrown 1st round player, ten years ago.
Another top heavy team weak in the trenches. Will be entertaining week to week but won't be a dominant team. Last year's +7 point differential was flukish.....9th best in the conference, despite having 4th best record.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I don’t condone what players like Adams do to get traded elsewhere but Gase has been the problem since he arrived and there’s really no way around that. Awful hire, awful HC, and I don’t doubt a single thing Adams claimed he does (or doesn’t do). Gase is a disaster.
As for Adams in coverage, maybe he will excel playing for a franchise that knows what the fuck it’s doing and has players around him, I need to see him not play for the Jets before I get on him for lack of coverage skills.
I don’t condone what players like Adams do to get traded elsewhere but Gase has been the problem since he arrived and there’s really no way around that. Awful hire, awful HC, and I don’t doubt a single thing Adams claimed he does (or doesn’t do). Gase is a disaster.
As for Adams in coverage, maybe he will excel playing for a franchise that knows what the fuck it’s doing and has players around him, I need to see him not play for the Jets before I get on him for lack of coverage skills.
Good points, the Jets CB’s have been among the worst in football during Adams’ entire career. He’s still been a great player regardless and I expect him to thrive in Seattle with more talent and a much better coaching staff.
Gase not only is a poor HC he also doesn’t have a good relationship with many his players.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
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I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
No he won't because they have a great coach and system plus they are a veteran team lead by Russell Wilson. Just about every one of your predictions were wrong last year so maybe just stick to a Jets site.
I still don't understand why people like this post on another teams fan site.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
You sound awfully bias against Seattle. I wonder why.
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I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
No he won't because they have a great coach and system plus they are a veteran team lead by Russell Wilson. Just about every one of your predictions were wrong last year so maybe just stick to a Jets site.
I still don't understand why people like this post on another teams fan site.
BBI overrates the Seahawks a bit too much.
They're the definition of a tough out, but by DVOA standards they are nowhere near the team they were 5+ years ago.
They hold it together and win games in dramatic fashion here and there but it's not the same secondary as years past.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
You sound awfully bias against Seattle. I wonder why.
Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
had to be paid right then and there to the tune of $90m guaranteed - Bears also got a 2nd back in that trade. The two firsts were late teens and early 20s and if Seattle is playing in the NFC title game then those picks they gave up are almost 2nds.
Mack’s deal also has 3x the guaranteed money as Landon Collins who has the largest overall deal for Safeties. Even when paid Adams will be a bargain for the value he brings and Seattle gets 2+ years before having to if they want.
Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
The best part is, he CLEARLY doesn’t read BBI while he’s here. Giants fans on this site have been slobbering all over Dallas and Philly for my entire lifetime. Reading BBI you’d think the Cowboys have won 25 Super Bowls in a row with the way we gush about their talent year after year after year after year. We have grown to be petrified of the Eagles because they have kicked our asses for so long.
So yeah, his comparison and “justification” for throwing dirt on the Seahawks because we do it too is comical. At best.
RE: Adams evidently will play at his current contract this season.
As soon as the season ends I imagine he'll start running his mouth again for a contract. Until them, Seattle has added a great weapon
What. This all just reiterates this wasn't about the contract like I have been saying all along. These guys have very little leverage. Actually there only leverage is being a pain in the ass if they hate their work enivironment. But because they make a lot of money it's like they deserve misery to some people.
RE: RE: Adams evidently will play at his current contract this season.
As soon as the season ends I imagine he'll start running his mouth again for a contract. Until them, Seattle has added a great weapon
What. This all just reiterates this wasn't about the contract like I have been saying all along. These guys have very little leverage. Actually there only leverage is being a pain in the ass if they hate their work enivironment. But because they make a lot of money it's like they deserve misery to some people.
Deserve misery? No, I don't think they do. I do think they should be professionals though
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Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
The best part is, he CLEARLY doesn’t read BBI while he’s here. Giants fans on this site have been slobbering all over Dallas and Philly for my entire lifetime. Reading BBI you’d think the Cowboys have won 25 Super Bowls in a row with the way we gush about their talent year after year after year after year. We have grown to be petrified of the Eagles because they have kicked our asses for so long.
So yeah, his comparison and “justification” for throwing dirt on the Seahawks because we do it too is comical. At best.
Obviously not, every offseason we see numerous posters praising Dallas/Phily liked you mentioned. The Eagles "dream team" offseason was probably the most ridiculous time on here.
Why should the be "professional" if they don't view their work
is Seattle can trade him too. If Adams has a great year and they can’t get a contract done, well they can ship him to someone who can (that would be like Khalil Mack). Sure, they won’t recoup the two 1sts but it would help mitigate Th reinvestment if it didn’t work out. And they are a legit title threat (if this was a normal season) so for them it’s worth the gamble (which could end up being a good long term home for Adams anyway).
Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
Becton is a rookie and Bell is butthurt because he got pitched on coming to the Jets by Adams. This was all before Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom. Now the teams best defensive player is gone. And they are gaining first round picks who if they pan out, will probably be in their primes sometime around the time Bell becomes expendable. This was all before the Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom.
Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
Becton is a rookie and Bell is butthurt because he got pitched on coming to the Jets by Adams. This was all before Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom. Now the teams best defensive player is gone. And they are gaining first round picks who if they pan out, will probably be in their primes sometime around the time Bell becomes expendable. This was all before the Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom.
So, do you actually think Adams has done nothing wrong here?
No I don't. He was using his only leverage to get himself out of a
I’m sorry but when did safety become some worthless position that doesn’t impact things. Who decided this ? Same people that say rb isn’t impactful?
Adams is the very embodiment of impact player. But what does Pete Carroll, russel Wilson and the Seattle GM know. All they do is win. Let’s trust the jets?
Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
If it’s so easy to find RB’s why did the Jets give Bell over $13 million per season despite sitting out a season for a SB contender and with all the carries he has accumulated during his career? You’re always raving about every move the Jets make explain that brilliant decision to me?
Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
If it’s so easy to find RB’s why did the Jets give Bell over $13 million per season despite sitting out a season for a SB contender and with all the carries he has accumulated during his career? You’re always raving about every move the Jets make explain that brilliant decision to me?
I was against that move. Never wanted Bell. That was a Mac move not a Douglas move. He ended up coming a lot cheaper than expected and the deal was friendly enough to where I could stomach it, but I never wanted Bell here
I was against that move. Never wanted Bell. That was a Mac move not a Douglas move. He ended up coming a lot cheaper than expected and the deal was friendly enough to where I could stomach it, but I never wanted Bell here
Well it’s so easy to find RB’s! Why did ownership sign off on the move made by a GM they were about to fire? A lot cheaper?? He was the second highest paid RB in football. For the 1,000th time why are you here?
Connor Hughes
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The #Jets have traded Jamal Adams to the #Seahawks, source confirms
@BrianCoz
The trade: Jets send Jamal Adams and 2022 4th round pick to Seattle.
Jets get 2021 1st round pick, 2022 1st round pick, 2021 3rd round pick, safety Bradley McDougald. #nyj
Jets deal Jamal Adams and 4th-round pick in 2022
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Seattle, in exchange for Bradley McDougald (safety), 1st-round pick in 2021, 3rd-round pick in 2021, and 1st-round pick in 2022, source tells ESPN.
Deal is pending physicals.
Michael Gehlken
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Cowboys thought the world of S Jamal Adams, but they weren’t comfortable giving up the farm for him. The Seahawks were.
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Cowboys thought the world of S Jamal Adams, but they weren’t comfortable giving up the farm for him. The Seahawks were.
Dallas knowing they'll need to draft a QB with one of those picks???
I don’t think so, they won the Super Bowl with a lights out secondary and dominant run game. The gamble is the player not the position.
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Beyond that, Jamal Adams wants a new contract and that’s going to eat into Seattle’s cap space. This is reminiscent of the “all-in” moves the Rams made, except now the salary-cap isn’t expected to skyrocket.
IMO, the Seahawks must win immediately for this to pay off
Yeah well,we'll see,the Jet's have to turn those picks into something.But right now,I like their end of the deal.
Seahawks have a history of making these types of moves,dating back to Jimmy Graham.
He is under contract for this season and next.
2 1st's(Peppers was a 1st the year before) and a 3d.
So there.
An everyday offensive lineman, a defensive tackle and a meh safety who cannot tackle?
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What did we get for OBJ?
2 1st's(Peppers was a 1st the year before) and a 3d.
So there.
So one 1st, one 3rd and Peppers. Is that right mr. so there?
@BrianCoz
The trade: Jets send Jamal Adams and 2022 4th round pick to Seattle.
Jets get 2021 1st round pick, 2022 1st round pick, 2021 3rd round pick, safety Bradley McDougald. #nyj
I’m glad they got a good haul for him. I didn’t want to see them get screwed over because they were forced to get rid of a great talent that became a problem. And he didn’t go to Dallas!
I think the Jets finally got a solid GM; the coach is a little bit of a wacko but the GM is pretty sharp.
I think Seattle is smart for going to get a proven player amidst all that uncertainty.
In the flip side this is beyond stupid to me from Seattle's perspective. They aren't a safety away from being a true contender to me. That OL is still very poor. Their drafts have been pretty fuckin bad lately. This is just another big splash move by Carroll like getting Jimmy Graham or Clowney. Where did those moves get them? That team has slowly deteriorated and Carroll thinks one big move is going to breathe life back into that team. As long as Wilson is there they have a chance but they need way more than him. Now, maybe Seattle is better off with Adams than fucking up their picks but if they don't win it this year then they have limited resources now to continually improve their team. This is really a now or never type of move and when do those moves really pay off?
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I didn't think they would get close to that kind of compensation for Adams.
Next year's draft is going to be unusual at best. This college season is going to be unchartered territory. Shorter season - for 1. For Juniors with little game tape they may wait to Sr year leaving less of a pool with players to really impact NFL rosters.
I think Seattle is smart for going to get a proven player amidst all that uncertainty.
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What did we get for OBJ?
2 1st's(Peppers was a 1st the year before) and a 3d.
So there.
Again with the "two 1st rounders" nonsense just because Peppers was a first round pick in 2017.
In the flip side this is beyond stupid to me from Seattle's perspective. They aren't a safety away from being a true contender to me. That OL is still very poor. Their drafts have been pretty fuckin bad lately. This is just another big splash move by Carroll like getting Jimmy Graham or Clowney. Where did those moves get them? That team has slowly deteriorated and Carroll thinks one big move is going to breathe life back into that team. As long as Wilson is there they have a chance but they need way more than him. Now, maybe Seattle is better off with Adams than fucking up their picks but if they don't win it this year then they have limited resources now to continually improve their team. This is really a now or never type of move and when do those moves really pay off?
Gotta disagree with you there. They were in the divisional round of the playoffs and lost by less than a score, that means they’re already a contender.
You say their drafts have been pretty bad but then berate them for trading away picks.
Yes, it is a win now move for them, why would they be anything other than a win now team with a 30 yr old Russel Wilson and a 30 yr old Bobby Wagner. Just think about the star power a team needs if they hope to contend with the Chiefs right now, barring injuries across the board, they will be dominant for the next 10 years.
Needless to say, I like the move for Seattle. I just looked at the Jets depth chart and if there is one team that looks worse than we do, it is them. They have a lot of work to do and draft picks don’t guarantee anything, for example, the Cleveland Browns.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
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There is a reason he was on the block for so long.
In the flip side this is beyond stupid to me from Seattle's perspective. They aren't a safety away from being a true contender to me. That OL is still very poor. Their drafts have been pretty fuckin bad lately. This is just another big splash move by Carroll like getting Jimmy Graham or Clowney. Where did those moves get them? That team has slowly deteriorated and Carroll thinks one big move is going to breathe life back into that team. As long as Wilson is there they have a chance but they need way more than him. Now, maybe Seattle is better off with Adams than fucking up their picks but if they don't win it this year then they have limited resources now to continually improve their team. This is really a now or never type of move and when do those moves really pay off?
Gotta disagree with you there. They were in the divisional round of the playoffs and lost by less than a score, that means they’re already a contender.
You say their drafts have been pretty bad but then berate them for trading away picks.
Yes, it is a win now move for them, why would they be anything other than a win now team with a 30 yr old Russel Wilson and a 30 yr old Bobby Wagner. Just think about the star power a team needs if they hope to contend with the Chiefs right now, barring injuries across the board, they will be dominant for the next 10 years.
Needless to say, I like the move for Seattle. I just looked at the Jets depth chart and if there is one team that looks worse than we do, it is them. They have a lot of work to do and draft picks don’t guarantee anything, for example, the Cleveland Browns.
My point is this is as god as they are going to be fir the foreseeable future. They will have to give Adams a huge contract soon enough. They are down on premium picks. Yes, they have sucked with their picks and I made the comment in my previous post that made this works out better than using the picks. Still, just because getting Adams may be better than the picks doesn't make it the right move imo. It can be a lose lose situation. Imo, they should be doing what they can to protect Wilson and fix that OL. Wilson is so amazing. I make comments all the time how these mobile QBs aren't good investments to me. They all get hurt. (Don't take this the wrong way. These players have success. But guys like Watson, Wentz, Tannehill, Darnold, Rodgers, etc. have a missed time. Saying not a good investment isn't the right phrase. It's just that it is hard to count on these guys to win a championship) The only exception has been Wilson.
That OL should have been built up and instead of doing that they got run blockers to help out their run game. It has helped but it isn't enough.
If a team were to take a chance the I get why Seattle did. Still, I don't think it is wise. In the NFL when you basically put all your eggs into one basket it never works out. That's what I see here.
2 1st's(Peppers was a 1st the year before)
Peppers had been in the league two years at the time of the trade.
If CLE tried to trade him straight up in the pre-2019 offseason for a pick, they might have gotten a fourth.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
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I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
Im sure Adams tried to make it work plenty of times before he became publicly disgruntled, he was a captain and is a pretty cerebral guy.
When you play that hard, you just want to be on a team that’s going to make the same level of sacrifice. Besides maybe the Ravens, there isn’t a better defense in the league he could have gone to. They just traded away their two best players on defense in less than a year and replaced them with basically the next up on the depth chart.
That’s a tough pill to swallow.
The picks they received if packaged together could easily get them into the top 5
Good trade for the Jets too but they still have to make the picks for it to work out and that’s something they haven’t been good at.
Bradley Mcdougald was likely a big part of that, he started at SS against a run heavy 49ers offense, fighting for the NFC West title and a bye week in the playoffs. Not only was he the source of a few 49ers highlights that day, but he had a combined 2 tackles and no other recorded stats.
Jamal Adams definitely makes that team better, they traded for Quandre Diggs in the middle of the season and he took some time getting acclimated. All they need is to resign Clowney and I’d put my money on them to represent the NFC in the super bowl.
They played a pretty soft schedule. Split w/Rams, swept the Cards, Bengals, Steelers (2pts), Browns (4 points), Atlanta (3 pts.), Tampa (OT), Carolina 6 points.
and Clowney may not even be on the team next year
I think that is better determined by what OBJ does over the next couple of years. Not what Adams got.
They will be a much better defense than they were last year, that should go without saying. All I’m saying is that my Seahawks friends are ecstatic right now and I agree with their outlook.
For Seattle, yes, its a lot to give up but they have two stars already in Wagner and Wilson and Adams makes them a much better defense. Seattle has Wilson who can and does carry that offense and Adams is gonna love playing there and make the Seahawks defense pretty fucking fierce.
I don't know... everyone was criticizing the Steelers for trading what would have been a very high 1st round pick for Fitzpatrick, but he wound up being a huge reason they finished 8-8 instead of much worse.
If he’s back they win that division easily, San Fran lost 3-4 wide receivers and training camp hasn’t even started, the NFC West is wide open
It's the Jets, one of the picks will be a bust. The other will be a decent starter but nowhere close to the caliber player that Adams is.
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I think that is better determined by what OBJ does over the next couple of years. Not what Adams got.
Not really. He had enough games before and now some after. Cleveland made the deal on what they knew.
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very expensive. If it’s a fair trade then the NYG got taken when dealing OBJ.
I think that is better determined by what OBJ does over the next couple of years. Not what Adams got.
Not really. He had enough games before and now some after. Cleveland made the deal on what they knew.
How so? For the Giants to have been scammed he would have to be one of the top receivers after the trade. What he did before the trade has only a value up until the trade. To judge if we did poorly in that trade would depend on what his performance was afterward and how we utilized the draft picks plus J. Peppers performance.
OBJ ranked 29th in receiving yards and 49th in TDs in 2019
Maybe Cleveland was smarter and was only going to pay for the 2018 version which played out almost the same in 2019.
He has only played about 10 games thus far for Giants but really hoping there is more there than what we have seen so far.
What we know is Adams is at least as good a safety as Beckham was a WR (and better considering Beckham was injured) and has 2 years of cost control left compared to a big money WR deal.
I get what Seattle looks at - they are already a good team and now have a top level player behind good LBs
2 different looks due to teams at totally different stages
What we know is Adams is at least as good a safety as Beckham was a WR (and better considering Beckham was injured) and has 2 years of cost control left compared to a big money WR deal.
I’m sorry but when did safety become some worthless position that doesn’t impact things. Who decided this ? Same people that say rb isn’t impactful?
Adams is the very embodiment of impact player. But what does Pete Carroll, russel Wilson and the Seattle GM know. All they do is win. Let’s trust the jets?
He’s surrounded by two great coverage defenders in Wag and KJ Wright. The only hiccup would be what’s going on with Quinton Dunbar.
But let’s not act like Adams is terrible in coverage, he hasn’t allowed a passer rating over 75 against him in two years.
Adams and Wagner would also be included in any top 3 hardest hitting players list in the NFL. Offenses now have to deal with two of those players on the same team.
They wanted an Enforcer and I have to believe Adams is exactly that
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I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
Im sure Adams tried to make it work plenty of times before he became publicly disgruntled, he was a captain and is a pretty cerebral guy.
When you play that hard, you just want to be on a team that’s going to make the same level of sacrifice. Besides maybe the Ravens, there isn’t a better defense in the league he could have gone to. They just traded away their two best players on defense in less than a year and replaced them with basically the next up on the depth chart.
That’s a tough pill to swallow.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
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I’m struggling to see how this trade helps the Jets in their current situation. They only have a projected 18 mil going into 2021 free agency. They have no corners, no pass rush, 1 slot receiver and a terrible O Line.
They also have a qb on a rookie contract, which to some, would be an indication to win now.
So essentially the GM is saying that their window to win is 3-5 years from now, even with the patriots dynasty looking for a reboot. If I was a Jets fan I would be livid, however, Jamal Adams did force their hand so it wasn’t much they could do.
Leave it to the Jets to make sure the Patriots still find their way to the playoffs.
What was the alternative? Keep him after he shit all over his HC? That sets a great tone for the team.
Im sure Adams tried to make it work plenty of times before he became publicly disgruntled, he was a captain and is a pretty cerebral guy.
When you play that hard, you just want to be on a team that’s going to make the same level of sacrifice. Besides maybe the Ravens, there isn’t a better defense in the league he could have gone to. They just traded away their two best players on defense in less than a year and replaced them with basically the next up on the depth chart.
That’s a tough pill to swallow.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
You left out all pro player.
IMO RW is a top 3 QB and probably has 3-4 more years of his prime and then who knows what. I personally think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB game, or at least was but look how much his play dropped off after his knee injury and he had to become a pure pocket passer. Hard to imagine a non pure pocket passer playing well past 35. Might as well make a run while you can, plus he's a great fit for what they do over there defensively.
Agree with all of this.
His impact would be significant on a team with an already good pass defense.
I wouldn't underestimate Pete Carroll's ability to maximize his abilities, but at the same time even if this is Kam Chancellor in his prime, you're still missing Earl Thomas and a pair of edge rushers (not to mention CBs on the caliber of Sherman/Browner).
I think he represents a unique ability to deal with mobile QBs and TEs. In a division with Kittle and Kyler Murray, should be interesting to see how he fares against those two.
This is easily the best talent Seattle has traded for since Marshawn Lynch. He will likely be as good as he with the Jets or better. The problem is the safety position on a mediocre defense is a lot lower on impact than the positions of TE (Jimmy Graham), WR (Percy Harvin), OT (Duane Brown), DE (Clowney). None of those acquisitions lived up to the draft capital. The Jimmy Graham trade was the worst because they gave up an all pro center (Max Unger) that hurt their run game while pairing Graham with a QB who wasn't close to Drew Brees.
Not sure this will live up the draft capital either.
Seattle is overrated from a GM perspective because they nailed the 2010-2012 FA/Trade/Drafts that built a monster, but since then hasn't yielded much.
They never nail a first rounder ever, and can only trade for a decent first round player from time to time. So in a weird way, they can rationalize giving up two 1sts, but then at the same time if you can never land even a decent 1st round player you're never going to be great. Earl Thomas was their last great homegrown 1st round player, ten years ago.
Another top heavy team weak in the trenches. Will be entertaining week to week but won't be a dominant team. Last year's +7 point differential was flukish.....9th best in the conference, despite having 4th best record.
That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I don’t condone what players like Adams do to get traded elsewhere but Gase has been the problem since he arrived and there’s really no way around that. Awful hire, awful HC, and I don’t doubt a single thing Adams claimed he does (or doesn’t do). Gase is a disaster.
As for Adams in coverage, maybe he will excel playing for a franchise that knows what the fuck it’s doing and has players around him, I need to see him not play for the Jets before I get on him for lack of coverage skills.
I don’t condone what players like Adams do to get traded elsewhere but Gase has been the problem since he arrived and there’s really no way around that. Awful hire, awful HC, and I don’t doubt a single thing Adams claimed he does (or doesn’t do). Gase is a disaster.
As for Adams in coverage, maybe he will excel playing for a franchise that knows what the fuck it’s doing and has players around him, I need to see him not play for the Jets before I get on him for lack of coverage skills.
Good points, the Jets CB’s have been among the worst in football during Adams’ entire career. He’s still been a great player regardless and I expect him to thrive in Seattle with more talent and a much better coaching staff.
Gase not only is a poor HC he also doesn’t have a good relationship with many his players.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
No he won't because they have a great coach and system plus they are a veteran team lead by Russell Wilson. Just about every one of your predictions were wrong last year so maybe just stick to a Jets site.
I still don't understand why people like this post on another teams fan site.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
You sound awfully bias against Seattle. I wonder why.
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I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
No he won't because they have a great coach and system plus they are a veteran team lead by Russell Wilson. Just about every one of your predictions were wrong last year so maybe just stick to a Jets site.
I still don't understand why people like this post on another teams fan site.
BBI overrates the Seahawks a bit too much.
They're the definition of a tough out, but by DVOA standards they are nowhere near the team they were 5+ years ago.
They hold it together and win games in dramatic fashion here and there but it's not the same secondary as years past.
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That is the complete opposite of what Adams has been since he got here. He's been a melodramatic attention seeking social media whore. Very mouthy, very emotional, spoiled and immature. He flipped out because our GM dared to answer the phone last deadline on a trade inquiry and compared himself to Brady (and Aaron Donald I believe). It's always going to be about him, and others around the league definitely see him for the phony that he is.
God you are so predictable. You were praising Adams not too long ago and now he’s an egomaniac whore?
I was fine with him being traded at the deadline last year. He had a great year (his best year...under Gase/Williams/Douglas, better than he ever played under idiot Bowles and Kacy Rodgers) But you look at his amateurish shenanigans, his obsession with wanting to be the highest paid safety ever...if you can get that kind of return for him then you have to make the deal. He'll be throwing tantrums in Seattle too soon enough
That's not unrealistic as Pete Carroll's rah rah ways allows for players to speak out in protest all too easily.
Colin Cowherd, who's a bit of a Seahawk homer felt the Seahawks had no vision with this move. That's a bigger haul than the Bears gave up to get Khalil Mack, SMH.
Jets will probably net low 20s pick this year and/or next. Two first round picks minimum for the next two seasons. That's a good situation to be in.
You sound awfully bias against Seattle. I wonder why.
Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
Mack’s deal also has 3x the guaranteed money as Landon Collins who has the largest overall deal for Safeties. Even when paid Adams will be a bargain for the value he brings and Seattle gets 2+ years before having to if they want.
2 TFL, 23 pressures, .5 sacks, 16 QB hits
10 TFl, 16 pressures, 6.5 sacks, 13 QB hits
Plus a career ~55% completion against and 75% rating against.
He might be a turd, but players that good rarely become available.
Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
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Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
The best part is, he CLEARLY doesn’t read BBI while he’s here. Giants fans on this site have been slobbering all over Dallas and Philly for my entire lifetime. Reading BBI you’d think the Cowboys have won 25 Super Bowls in a row with the way we gush about their talent year after year after year after year. We have grown to be petrified of the Eagles because they have kicked our asses for so long.
So yeah, his comparison and “justification” for throwing dirt on the Seahawks because we do it too is comical. At best.
What. This all just reiterates this wasn't about the contract like I have been saying all along. These guys have very little leverage. Actually there only leverage is being a pain in the ass if they hate their work enivironment. But because they make a lot of money it's like they deserve misery to some people.
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As soon as the season ends I imagine he'll start running his mouth again for a contract. Until them, Seattle has added a great weapon
What. This all just reiterates this wasn't about the contract like I have been saying all along. These guys have very little leverage. Actually there only leverage is being a pain in the ass if they hate their work enivironment. But because they make a lot of money it's like they deserve misery to some people.
Deserve misery? No, I don't think they do. I do think they should be professionals though
Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
The best part is, he CLEARLY doesn’t read BBI while he’s here. Giants fans on this site have been slobbering all over Dallas and Philly for my entire lifetime. Reading BBI you’d think the Cowboys have won 25 Super Bowls in a row with the way we gush about their talent year after year after year after year. We have grown to be petrified of the Eagles because they have kicked our asses for so long.
So yeah, his comparison and “justification” for throwing dirt on the Seahawks because we do it too is comical. At best.
Obviously not, every offseason we see numerous posters praising Dallas/Phily liked you mentioned. The Eagles "dream team" offseason was probably the most ridiculous time on here.
Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
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Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
Becton is a rookie and Bell is butthurt because he got pitched on coming to the Jets by Adams. This was all before Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom. Now the teams best defensive player is gone. And they are gaining first round picks who if they pan out, will probably be in their primes sometime around the time Bell becomes expendable. This was all before the Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom.
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environment as professional?
Leveon bell and mekhi becton have already come out against Adams on social media. I imagine if there was a major problem with the environment more players would have rallied behind him?
Becton is a rookie and Bell is butthurt because he got pitched on coming to the Jets by Adams. This was all before Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom. Now the teams best defensive player is gone. And they are gaining first round picks who if they pan out, will probably be in their primes sometime around the time Bell becomes expendable. This was all before the Adams had to spend any time with Gase in the lockeroom.
So, do you actually think Adams has done nothing wrong here?
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Same awful biases we see here against the rest of the NFC East.
Why are you here? I don't understand why a 49er fan posts on a Giants site.
Keep your friends close and your....
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2 first rounders is crazy for a safety.
I’m sorry but when did safety become some worthless position that doesn’t impact things. Who decided this ? Same people that say rb isn’t impactful?
Adams is the very embodiment of impact player. But what does Pete Carroll, russel Wilson and the Seattle GM know. All they do is win. Let’s trust the jets?
Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
If it’s so easy to find RB’s why did the Jets give Bell over $13 million per season despite sitting out a season for a SB contender and with all the carries he has accumulated during his career? You’re always raving about every move the Jets make explain that brilliant decision to me?
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Nobody is saying RB isn't impactful. What people were saying is that impactful RB's are relatively easy to find everywhere in the draft. Teams just burn and turn backs, go with committees etc. You can get great production from them on the cheap. Adams being a safety, the impact he has is not exactly left tackle or QB. Makes no sense to give in to a malcontent safety and break the bank for him
If it’s so easy to find RB’s why did the Jets give Bell over $13 million per season despite sitting out a season for a SB contender and with all the carries he has accumulated during his career? You’re always raving about every move the Jets make explain that brilliant decision to me?
I was against that move. Never wanted Bell. That was a Mac move not a Douglas move. He ended up coming a lot cheaper than expected and the deal was friendly enough to where I could stomach it, but I never wanted Bell here
I was against that move. Never wanted Bell. That was a Mac move not a Douglas move. He ended up coming a lot cheaper than expected and the deal was friendly enough to where I could stomach it, but I never wanted Bell here
Well it’s so easy to find RB’s! Why did ownership sign off on the move made by a GM they were about to fire? A lot cheaper?? He was the second highest paid RB in football. For the 1,000th time why are you here?