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pjcas18 : 7/27/2020 8:51 am
sand wasps look like the picture below but I can't tell if I have sand wasps or cicada killer wasps. The ones I have are up to 2 inches long and mostly black and white - which would be sand wasps I believe.



they're mostly solitary and mostly harmless, but what they do is burrow into the dirt at the edges of your property where sand/dirt is more easily exposed and you see piles of dirt so they're easy to spot. but because they're solitary once they get into your property they spread quickly and you'll see tons of these "nests"



So for me with a corner lot - I first noticed them at a neighbors house across the street and now they've crossed the street and infiltrated my "yard". I put yard in quotes because it's really along the curb and there are sand piles in the street.

Has anyone found a way to get rid of them? I don't want to kill them unnecessarily or with chemicals, but I also don't want them tearing up my yard and terrifying my kids and neighbors.
Looks like you interrupted some kind of ..  
EricJ : 7/27/2020 8:54 am : link
rape...
RE: Looks like you interrupted some kind of ..  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2020 8:56 am : link
In comment 14938929 EricJ said:
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rape...


that was a google image search result, I've never witnessed any assaults, I would have intervened, I'm not a monster.
not sure that's a cicada killer  
Matt in SGS : 7/27/2020 9:03 am : link
they have orange/red legs and are nasty bastards. They usually take over infields on a baseball field and ruined some summer baseball kids leagues for a while.

you have cicada killers  
Rick in Dallas : 7/27/2020 9:08 am : link
the picture represents a nest of cicada killers
RE: you have cicada killers  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2020 9:10 am : link
In comment 14938938 Rick in Dallas said:
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the picture represents a nest of cicada killers


I know, that's the only nest/den picture I could find, but the wasps are black and white like in the top image - the nest/den look like the sand pile though. From my searches black and white wasps aren't cicada killers, they're sand wasps.

not getting close enough though for closer inspection, but I don't think there is any orange on them.
pjcas18  
Rick in Dallas : 7/27/2020 9:15 am : link
I just had 4 nests in my flower beds treated with a product called fendona cs. active ingredient is alpha-cypermenthrin Saturday.
Good luck buddy.
Yes, those are cicada killers  
LTIsTheGreatest : 7/27/2020 9:25 am : link
I had them for 5 years straight. They burrow in the ground. What I used to do was stick a plastic knife in each hole I found and at night when they are dormant, pour some lemon ammonia in each hole. You gotta get them early though before they lay their eggs otherwise will keep coming back yewr after year in the same spot.
RE: Yes, those are cicada killers  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2020 9:33 am : link
In comment 14938946 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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I had them for 5 years straight. They burrow in the ground. What I used to do was stick a plastic knife in each hole I found and at night when they are dormant, pour some lemon ammonia in each hole. You gotta get them early though before they lay their eggs otherwise will keep coming back yewr after year in the same spot.


that's exactly what has happened - the past 3 or 4 years they were at my across the street neighbors - and gradually began spreading to adjacent houses across the street.

every year around late July they'd come back (maybe once the grass begins dying or thinning) and this is the first year they made the jump across the street and now my fear is they're going to expand and come back every year.
Cicada killers are common this time of year in the NJ area  
regulator : 7/27/2020 10:25 am : link
especially in areas with sandy soil. The females paralyze cicadas with their sting, drag them into their burrows, lay an egg on each cicada, and the larvae will consume the cicada during their development.

Typically, the females do not sting anything but cicadas. Cicada killers stinging humans is not unheard of, but in any case they must be provoked. Otherwise, they are widely considered harmless. Males have no stinger.

I get them in my yard each year, and I have a few nests right now. Total non-event, IME, but they look pretty intimidating, especially this season with everyone noticing them after the "murder hornet" hysteria from earlier this spring.
I am here in South Jersey.....  
BillKo : 7/27/2020 10:51 am : link
........i usually seem them in August but they are early this year, maybe because of the heat?

Anyway, they seem to dissapear pretty quickly, in a couple of weeks.

But yes they keep coming back and do make the lawn ugly with their digging............
I'm just glad they're not as big as they appear...  
Milton : 7/27/2020 11:09 am : link
...in those photos!
Cicada Killers have yellow stripes  
montanagiant : 7/27/2020 11:11 am : link
And are non-aggressive to humans, but they do scare the crap out of you when you first see them. You would virtually have to pick them up and injure them before they would sting and it's not even a bad sting.

Their nests are really easy to find because they will have a mound of dirt outside the entrance. If you really want them gone wait until dusk (when all are back in the nest) and get right down on the hole and spray wasp and hornet spray into it, then cover with a brick or piece of wood for 1-2 days
This what a Cicada Killers nest looks like  
montanagiant : 7/27/2020 11:12 am : link
They will usually build it in sparse vegetation.

The nests look  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2020 11:21 am : link
like that and they're at the edge of my property along the curb (same as all my neighbors who have them) so yeah the grass definitely gets more sparse there.

but they're definitely black and white not yellow and white so that's why I think they're sand wasps like in the picture above and not cicada killers.

They have never come after anyone, but they're two inches long and scare the shit out of everyone.

I'll take pictures if I can today.
I have ground hornets  
Dave in PA : 7/27/2020 11:31 am : link
Absolutely behemoth creatures that scare the shit out of me. They seem kind of slow and clumsy and not actively trying to kill everything in their sight though, so I can usually steer clear.
From your description with the white markings...  
Torrag : 7/27/2020 11:49 am : link
you have sand wasps. I had them in mid August a couple years back. They weren't aggressive but spread quickly. Unfortunately I had to kill them off because they were definitely an eyesore in my yard and I had too much invested in it to let it go. I don't think there is any way to move or relocate them. I even tried smoking them out, they'd leave temporarily but then return to the nest. I used a dawn dish soap mixture. Poured it in and put a brick over the holes.
Now it seems like Cicada killers  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2020 1:02 pm : link
I got close to them and got some pictures.

I have pictures of my yard and my directly across the street neighbor.

On my yard I had some 7 dust for the garden and I thought I'd give it a shot and see if it worked on these, and unfortunately I might have killed the ones in my yard (for now), I don't see any activity in my yard, but my neighbor looks like he's having landscape construction.

This is the edge of my yard:



This is my neighbors:



And here is a close of up one on the edge of my neighbors lawn tangled up with another one (mating? fighting? playing? no idea)



Now I can see some yellow and orange/red. I could have sworn the ones in my yard were white and black, but proof is in the picture I guess.

Now what do I do? Leave them? I don't want them returning next year and this is so close to the curb I doubt I get thick enough lawn here to make it inhospitable for them.
Diatomaceous  
Adam G in Big D : 7/27/2020 1:25 pm : link
Earth.
RE: Now it seems like Cicada killers  
montanagiant : 7/27/2020 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14939206 pjcas18 said:
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I got close to them and got some pictures.

I have pictures of my yard and my directly across the street neighbor.

On my yard I had some 7 dust for the garden and I thought I'd give it a shot and see if it worked on these, and unfortunately I might have killed the ones in my yard (for now), I don't see any activity in my yard, but my neighbor looks like he's having landscape construction.

This is the edge of my yard:



This is my neighbors:



And here is a close of up one on the edge of my neighbors lawn tangled up with another one (mating? fighting? playing? no idea)



Now I can see some yellow and orange/red. I could have sworn the ones in my yard were white and black, but proof is in the picture I guess.

Now what do I do? Leave them? I don't want them returning next year and this is so close to the curb I doubt I get thick enough lawn here to make it inhospitable for them.
Wait until dusk when they go back to their nests, shoot wasp/hornet killer spray in each hole and cover with wood or brick. Don't use the dirt around the hole because they will dig out.

They are really bad this year because it is supposed to be a bad Cicada year I was told.
Thanks  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2020 1:42 pm : link
I'll give it a shot tonight and we do have tons of cicadas, between them and the tree frogs it's like a mini concert every night around dusk.
RE: I'm just glad they're not as big as they appear...  
montanagiant : 7/27/2020 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14939077 Milton said:
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...in those photos!

They are big, about 2" and loud as hell when flying
RE: RE: I'm just glad they're not as big as they appear...  
pjcas18 : 7/27/2020 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14939272 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14939077 Milton said:


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...in those photos!


They are big, about 2" and loud as hell when flying


and they look menacing even if they're not. I used to have a sense of pride when people used to have to walk their dogs on my side of the street b/c the neighbors had all those wasps flying around. Now they just avoid our street all together, lol.
RE: Now it seems like Cicada killers  
regulator : 7/29/2020 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14939206 pjcas18 said:
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I got close to them and got some pictures.

I have pictures of my yard and my directly across the street neighbor.

On my yard I had some 7 dust for the garden and I thought I'd give it a shot and see if it worked on these, and unfortunately I might have killed the ones in my yard (for now), I don't see any activity in my yard, but my neighbor looks like he's having landscape construction.

This is the edge of my yard:



This is my neighbors:



And here is a close of up one on the edge of my neighbors lawn tangled up with another one (mating? fighting? playing? no idea)



Now I can see some yellow and orange/red. I could have sworn the ones in my yard were white and black, but proof is in the picture I guess.

Now what do I do? Leave them? I don't want them returning next year and this is so close to the curb I doubt I get thick enough lawn here to make it inhospitable for them.


I meant to follow up on this... those are definitely Cicada Killers, and the two you saw fighting were males, which do not have stingers. Not much more than oversized, scary-looking houseflies.

I wouldn't exterminate them unless they were really becoming a nuisance in a high-traffic area, or their mounds are getting very unsightly.
Thanks  
pjcas18 : 7/29/2020 4:31 pm : link
for the replies.
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