if the game should be played. That doesn't seem right.
There should be a 3rd party involved and they should provide a recommendation based on the status of the team. If the 3rd party feels like they shouldn't play, then cancel the games. If they feel like its ok to play then it should go to the team/players to approve.
But players shouldn't have a say at all if its considered unsafe. Mattingly really shit the bed here (along with their GM I would imagine).
well i guess the silver lining in the postponed Orioles/Marlins games
is its unlikely they'll need to reschedule them. Even with 16 playoff teams its hard to imagine either team is within 2 games at that 58 game mark. Doesnt seem worth the cost of a charter trip to Miami.
Supposedly they are going to try and play in Baltimore tomorrow night... probably a lot of taxi squad players called up from Jupiter.
Will be interesting, assuming NYY at PHL play tonight, if players seem a little more cautious out there than they've been. I certainly hope they can play - that was a series i was looking forward to seeing, two very good teams.
Will be interesting, assuming NYY at PHL play tonight, if players seem a little more cautious out there than they've been. I certainly hope they can play - that was a series i was looking forward to seeing, two very good teams.
Postponed again tonight. Hopefully they'll at least be able to play tomw and thurs.
for the yanks/phils, but why today? Are they still waiting on results from PHI players? Hopefully this isnt a sign that PHI has had a few positive results as well.
I know nobody in MLB likes doubleheaders, but that seems like the easiest way to make these games up. They dont have to worry about losing money or shuffling all of the fans out.
to get into a car accident on the way to work? What kinda nonsense is that? Especially just below a post about a 27 year old who is dealing with some heart issues stemming from covid. But sure.
Also, it is well established that for people under 40 and probably even under 50, that the normal seasonal flu is more deadly than covid.
So, and this is a serious question, do people think that with the benefit of what we know now, the Michael Jordan "flu game" should have been canceled?
But how did the players make this decision? One, the results should go back to MLB and they should make the call. Two, is there nobody in the Marlins organization that makes decisions? How did this get past ownership, upper management, the manager, etc? So the players find out they have it and they get to choose if they can play or not? WTF?
for the yanks/phils, but why today? Are they still waiting on results from PHI players? Hopefully this isnt a sign that PHI has had a few positive results as well.
I know nobody in MLB likes doubleheaders, but that seems like the easiest way to make these games up. They dont have to worry about losing money or shuffling all of the fans out.
They said the Phils tested negative but are going to test them all again later today and the postponement was a precaution.
for the yanks/phils, but why today? Are they still waiting on results from PHI players? Hopefully this isnt a sign that PHI has had a few positive results as well.
I know nobody in MLB likes doubleheaders, but that seems like the easiest way to make these games up. They dont have to worry about losing money or shuffling all of the fans out.
They said the Phils tested negative but are going to test them all again later today and the postponement was a precaution.
It takes like a day to get the results back. It isn't immediate so it makes sense that they'll go on hiatus for multiple days.
But how did the players make this decision? One, the results should go back to MLB and they should make the call. Two, is there nobody in the Marlins organization that makes decisions? How did this get past ownership, upper management, the manager, etc? So the players find out they have it and they get to choose if they can play or not? WTF?
I dont think any of the players that "voted" were known to have had it. I think 3 of their teammates tested positive back at the hotel... not that it makes the process of what occurred any less absurd of course, but no one played knowing they were ill.
they voted against or the playing MIA at all. Curious if they could make MIA come to WAS. I mean sure WAS gets more home games, but how much does that matter right now. When MLB crammed 60 games in 66 days or whatever it was they didnt leave themselves room to be cancelling games left and right.
they voted against or the playing MIA at all. Curious if they could make MIA come to WAS. I mean sure WAS gets more home games, but how much does that matter right now. When MLB crammed 60 games in 66 days or whatever it was they didnt leave themselves room to be cancelling games left and right.
they voted against or the playing MIA at all. Curious if they could make MIA come to WAS. I mean sure WAS gets more home games, but how much does that matter right now. When MLB crammed 60 games in 66 days or whatever it was they didnt leave themselves room to be cancelling games left and right.
Thats a slippery slope - i get there arent crowds anyway, but there is still an advantage to playing in the confines of your own park and sleeping in your own bed. If you do this for the Nats, then you need to proclaim the Marlins are playing their entire season on the road.
Its also troubling that teams seem to be taking votes now on things the league and players association was supposed to agree to before the season started. I'm not a "fire" people in a pandemic type person, but this is not remotely a good look for Manfred or for Clark. This is planning 101.
keep in mind the Nats were just gifted two extra home games
vs Toronto this week. Do they expect to demand to play their entire season at home?
I think they are doing this because their manager has been vocal about his fears given a heart condition... my view is they should keep him home on roadtrips if its that serious.
They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.
Is it the concern that the Marlins' stadium facilities are potentially contaminated? The Marlins haven't even been there in more than a week, so that seems baseless. And even if you accept concerns about the stadium, it can obviously be thoroughly cleaned by Friday (and given that infection from surfaces is now viewed as pretty unlikely anyway, this really seems like a non-issue).
Is it that Florida is an unsafe place to be. Aside from the fact that that concern is no more legitimate than it was before the Marlins' outbreak, if you're unwilling to hold games in certain places then you don't have a season. Game over. The time to do a bubble, or at least restrict play to certain regions, has come and gone, hasn't it?
Is it concern that there may be infected players who haven't yet tested positive, so there's risk of exposure playing with them. Obviously moving the game doesn't change that.
I just don't see how moving the game addresses any legitimate concern. I can understand Martinez being worried, but dispassionately, I don't think there's any legitimate reason to move the game (other than not wanting to go to Florida at all, which, again, is kind of a game over scenario imo).
They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.
You're making a lot of accusations and assumptions in this post. I'm not sure what is real and what is exaggerated re: what Marlins have been doing relative to other teams. They likely picked this up in Atlanta last week by the way, and one of the Nats players Soto got this too... lets not make Miami out to be villains. That's not reasonable.
Martinez should stay home if he's "12" on a scale of 10 concerned. They can play without him, the league should move on without him. Take the year off if its that much of a personal concern.
My view is if they refuse to travel/play - you either shut the entire league down or you forfeit their weekend games. Think the latter is the better approach but i could see both responses.
I think that you should treat Miami (probably Tampa, Houston, Phoenix.
vs Toronto this week. Do they expect to demand to play their entire season at home?
I think they are doing this because their manager has been vocal about his fears given a heart condition... my view is they should keep him home on roadtrips if its that serious.
I don't see the "gift" here. Even if these games are physically played in Washington isn't Toronto the "home" team (i.e. they bat last ) ?
RE: I think that you should treat Miami (probably Tampa, Houston, Phoenix.
as if they were Katrina cities. Yuu wouldn't force the players to go nor would you have the home teams forfeit.
The problem is that Miami has ignored the protocols and have been mismanaged. I'm basing that on the comments in the Athletic in which Miami was violating protocols in Philly and Mattingly's own comments about how they were all crowded into the dugout in Atlanta. Thats what we know about. How much don't we know about ?
Craig Mish of SportsGrid reports that the Marlins' season has been "paused" for the time being.
It was the only real choice with a COVID-19 outbreak in their clubhouse. By last count, 17 individuals (including 15 players and two coaches) have tested positive. In addition to all of the safety concerns, the Marlins simply can't field a competitive team right now. There has also been talk about the Phillies (who played the Marlins over the weekend) pausing their season at least for a few days. There should be more clarity on the situation soon, but this is not what anybody wants to see less than one week into the season.
“We made the decision that we’re going to continue to do this and we’re going to continue to be responsible and just play the game as hard as we can,” Rojas said.
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RE: RE: keep in mind the Nats were just gifted two extra home games
if these games are physically played in Washington isn't Toronto the "home" team (i.e. they bat last ) ?
I imagine every player ever would find playing as the road team in their home stadium preferable to actually traveling for a road game. Sure, it's largely minimized in an empty stadium, but getting to stay home and not have to schlep to another stadium is still something I think just about anyone would welcome.
They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.
Actually, it was probably Atlanta that violated the protocols by not having adequate space for players to distance during the rain delays(and I guess they didn't try hard either). And in case you were not watching the Yankees games, they were not wearing masks, they were sitting right next to each other, they were high fiving or doing similar greetings. Miami was healthy when they left Florida as far as we know. They appear to have gotten infected after Atlanta and the Braves had a few players that became infected during that period.
Now two Miami players that tested positive have now tested negative. How does that work in two days? Did it just go away?
So IDK.....
RE: RE: RE: keep in mind the Nats were just gifted two extra home games
if these games are physically played in Washington isn't Toronto the "home" team (i.e. they bat last ) ?
I imagine every player ever would find playing as the road team in their home stadium preferable to actually traveling for a road game. Sure, it's largely minimized in an empty stadium, but getting to stay home and not have to schlep to another stadium is still something I think just about anyone would welcome.
Toronto has been banished from their true homes. I suspect they are living in hotels whether they are playing "home" games in Pittsburgh or if they're playing elsewhere. The entire NBA is playing on the road. They seem to be dealing with it.
RE: keep in mind the Nats were just gifted two extra home games
vs Toronto this week. Do they expect to demand to play their entire season at home?
I think they are doing this because their manager has been vocal about his fears given a heart condition... my view is they should keep him home on roadtrips if its that serious.
I'm not sure how much of an advantage they are getting, with no fans in the stadium and all...
RE: I think that you should treat Miami (probably Tampa, Houston, Phoenix.
Toronto has been banished from their true homes. I suspect they are living in hotels whether they are playing "home" games in Pittsburgh or if they're playing elsewhere. The entire NBA is playing on the road. They seem to be dealing with it.
I'm not sure what your point it. Neither I, nor anyone else in this thread, said the burden of traveling to play a road game is something teams can't deal with or aren't accustomed to doing. But if you don't think it's a benefit for a team to get to play a road game at home instead of traveling to it, even in an empty house, I think you're being pretty silly.
They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.
Actually, it was probably Atlanta that violated the protocols by not having adequate space for players to distance during the rain delays(and I guess they didn't try hard either). And in case you were not watching the Yankees games, they were not wearing masks, they were sitting right next to each other, they were high fiving or doing similar greetings. Miami was healthy when they left Florida as far as we know. They appear to have gotten infected after Atlanta and the Braves had a few players that became infected during that period.
Now two Miami players that tested positive have now tested negative. How does that work in two days? Did it just go away?
So IDK.....
Yeah, I heard that excuse. Its Atlanta's fault. I'm not buying it. They had an entire empty stadium to spread out into. The protocols are pretty clear that the only people that are supposed to be in the dugout are the players and coaches that are currently in the game. The bench players are supposed to be in the stands. But I guess they didn't want to get wet.
They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.
Actually, it was probably Atlanta that violated the protocols by not having adequate space for players to distance during the rain delays(and I guess they didn't try hard either). And in case you were not watching the Yankees games, they were not wearing masks, they were sitting right next to each other, they were high fiving or doing similar greetings. Miami was healthy when they left Florida as far as we know. They appear to have gotten infected after Atlanta and the Braves had a few players that became infected during that period.
Now two Miami players that tested positive have now tested negative. How does that work in two days? Did it just go away?
So IDK.....
Yeah, I heard that excuse. Its Atlanta's fault. I'm not buying it. They had an entire empty stadium to spread out into. The protocols are pretty clear that the only people that are supposed to be in the dugout are the players and coaches that are currently in the game. The bench players are supposed to be in the stands. But I guess they didn't want to get wet.
Well why the hell would they have to get wet? You dont find Atlanta at fault here? Odd take.
But the testing someone brought up above is an equal mess - apparently Soto has tested negative 6x since Thursday.. but still cant get cleared i guess because he's also testing positive sometimes too?
If they cant rely on these tests, then that's kind of a show stopper...
Toronto has been banished from their true homes. I suspect they are living in hotels whether they are playing "home" games in Pittsburgh or if they're playing elsewhere. The entire NBA is playing on the road. They seem to be dealing with it.
I'm not sure what your point it. Neither I, nor anyone else in this thread, said the burden of traveling to play a road game is something teams can't deal with or aren't accustomed to doing. But if you don't think it's a benefit for a team to get to play a road game at home instead of traveling to it, even in an empty house, I think you're being pretty silly.
I never said it was a benefit. I'm saying that the penalty for playing a "home" game on the road is minimal compared to ordinary times. The burden that is placed on these players is trying to stay healthy, live in relative isolation and follow these difficult protocols. Compared to that I would think that which hotel they're living in and which empty park they're playing is pretty inconsequential. This is especially true for the Toronto Blue Jays, who at the last minute were kicked out of their own country.
RE: RE: I think that you should treat Miami (probably Tampa, Houston, Phoenix.
as if they were Katrina cities. Yuu wouldn't force the players to go nor would you have the home teams forfeit.
Why not LA and all of California? What data and science are you using in that approach?
Add them too. Play everything in NY. I don't think they should have started in the first place but even if they did, I can't see punishing a team for not wanting to play in a biohazard zone.
Well why the hell would they have to get wet? You dont find Atlanta at fault here? Odd take.
No I don't. Atlanta may be guilty of a minor logistical error but that does not excuse gross violations of COVID protocols by Miami. As a fan thats been caught in the rain in Yankee Stadium, I and thousands of other fans were able to scurry to some place where it was dry. A few dozen players couldn't do the same ? Did Mattingly even complain to Atlanta that there facilities were not in place ? Or did he just say "Fuck it"? It looks like the later. As of yesterday the positive percentage for the Miami Marlins was something like 33%. Its probably higher now. Thats higher than a meatpacking plant. I suspect that there was a lot of other carelessness and violations that have not been made public that occured prior to the trips to Atlanta or Philly.
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They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.
You're making a lot of accusations and assumptions in this post. I'm not sure what is real and what is exaggerated re: what Marlins have been doing relative to other teams. They likely picked this up in Atlanta last week by the way, and one of the Nats players Soto got this too... lets not make Miami out to be villains. That's not reasonable.
Martinez should stay home if he's "12" on a scale of 10 concerned. They can play without him, the league should move on without him. Take the year off if its that much of a personal concern.
My view is if they refuse to travel/play - you either shut the entire league down or you forfeit their weekend games. Think the latter is the better approach but i could see both responses.
I don't think it's fair to make Miami out to be the villains either. I'd rather just make the entire state of Florida out to be the villain, save for the few normal people down there that don't insist on pissing into the wind at every turn.
All of these states had months of horror stories from NYC to go on. And what did they do along with some leaders? They pissed right in everyone's face and laughed about it. It's all about the money? Yea, Fuck them.
I have a bridge to sell you if you honestly believe the florida culture didn't play a huge part in this.
Well why the hell would they have to get wet? You dont find Atlanta at fault here? Odd take.
No I don't. Atlanta may be guilty of a minor logistical error but that does not excuse gross violations of COVID protocols by Miami. As a fan thats been caught in the rain in Yankee Stadium, I and thousands of other fans were able to scurry to some place where it was dry. A few dozen players couldn't do the same ? Did Mattingly even complain to Atlanta that there facilities were not in place ? Or did he just say "Fuck it"? It looks like the later. As of yesterday the positive percentage for the Miami Marlins was something like 33%. Its probably higher now. Thats higher than a meatpacking plant. I suspect that there was a lot of other carelessness and violations that have not been made public that occured prior to the trips to Atlanta or Philly.
The more games teams miss the more difficult it becomes to makes the games up. They have not built in many off days to do this. And even with doubleheaders it's difficult. I cannot imagine they'd be okay with a scenario where some teams play 60, some play 55, some play 50, etc.
So I don't see how MLB can deal with this if they truly are committed to not canceling the season.
with Miami's mayor saying all Marlins players need to quarantine for 14 days. Why they decided to play in everyones home parks with 30 different sets of local rules, regs, mayors... when there are no fans... good call!
I'd like to see the season play out, especially since the Yankees
There should be a 3rd party involved and they should provide a recommendation based on the status of the team. If the 3rd party feels like they shouldn't play, then cancel the games. If they feel like its ok to play then it should go to the team/players to approve.
But players shouldn't have a say at all if its considered unsafe. Mattingly really shit the bed here (along with their GM I would imagine).
Supposedly they are going to try and play in Baltimore tomorrow night... probably a lot of taxi squad players called up from Jupiter.
Will be interesting, assuming NYY at PHL play tonight, if players seem a little more cautious out there than they've been. I certainly hope they can play - that was a series i was looking forward to seeing, two very good teams.
So far no philly players
Given the ages/physical conditions of coaches and other grounds crew/club house staff, there's clearly significant risks going ahead.
Postponed again tonight. Hopefully they'll at least be able to play tomw and thurs.
Well that matters since the Yankees are good. Florida and Baltimore? who cares. :)
I know nobody in MLB likes doubleheaders, but that seems like the easiest way to make these games up. They dont have to worry about losing money or shuffling all of the fans out.
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to get into a car accident on the way to work? What kinda nonsense is that? Especially just below a post about a 27 year old who is dealing with some heart issues stemming from covid. But sure.
Also, it is well established that for people under 40 and probably even under 50, that the normal seasonal flu is more deadly than covid.
So, and this is a serious question, do people think that with the benefit of what we know now, the Michael Jordan "flu game" should have been canceled?
Stop talking.
I know nobody in MLB likes doubleheaders, but that seems like the easiest way to make these games up. They dont have to worry about losing money or shuffling all of the fans out.
They said the Phils tested negative but are going to test them all again later today and the postponement was a precaution.
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for the yanks/phils, but why today? Are they still waiting on results from PHI players? Hopefully this isnt a sign that PHI has had a few positive results as well.
I know nobody in MLB likes doubleheaders, but that seems like the easiest way to make these games up. They dont have to worry about losing money or shuffling all of the fans out.
They said the Phils tested negative but are going to test them all again later today and the postponement was a precaution.
It takes like a day to get the results back. It isn't immediate so it makes sense that they'll go on hiatus for multiple days.
I dont think any of the players that "voted" were known to have had it. I think 3 of their teammates tested positive back at the hotel... not that it makes the process of what occurred any less absurd of course, but no one played knowing they were ill.
THey should forfeit the 3 game series. Thats an easy one.
"In Miami" is how it's been phrased.
Thats a slippery slope - i get there arent crowds anyway, but there is still an advantage to playing in the confines of your own park and sleeping in your own bed. If you do this for the Nats, then you need to proclaim the Marlins are playing their entire season on the road.
Its also troubling that teams seem to be taking votes now on things the league and players association was supposed to agree to before the season started. I'm not a "fire" people in a pandemic type person, but this is not remotely a good look for Manfred or for Clark. This is planning 101.
I think they are doing this because their manager has been vocal about his fears given a heart condition... my view is they should keep him home on roadtrips if its that serious.
Ok so instead of WAS just have them go to some other MLB park that is not being used. At least then its neutral.
Is it that Florida is an unsafe place to be. Aside from the fact that that concern is no more legitimate than it was before the Marlins' outbreak, if you're unwilling to hold games in certain places then you don't have a season. Game over. The time to do a bubble, or at least restrict play to certain regions, has come and gone, hasn't it?
Is it concern that there may be infected players who haven't yet tested positive, so there's risk of exposure playing with them. Obviously moving the game doesn't change that.
I just don't see how moving the game addresses any legitimate concern. I can understand Martinez being worried, but dispassionately, I don't think there's any legitimate reason to move the game (other than not wanting to go to Florida at all, which, again, is kind of a game over scenario imo).
You're making a lot of accusations and assumptions in this post. I'm not sure what is real and what is exaggerated re: what Marlins have been doing relative to other teams. They likely picked this up in Atlanta last week by the way, and one of the Nats players Soto got this too... lets not make Miami out to be villains. That's not reasonable.
Martinez should stay home if he's "12" on a scale of 10 concerned. They can play without him, the league should move on without him. Take the year off if its that much of a personal concern.
My view is if they refuse to travel/play - you either shut the entire league down or you forfeit their weekend games. Think the latter is the better approach but i could see both responses.
I think they are doing this because their manager has been vocal about his fears given a heart condition... my view is they should keep him home on roadtrips if its that serious.
It was the only real choice with a COVID-19 outbreak in their clubhouse. By last count, 17 individuals (including 15 players and two coaches) have tested positive. In addition to all of the safety concerns, the Marlins simply can't field a competitive team right now. There has also been talk about the Phillies (who played the Marlins over the weekend) pausing their season at least for a few days. There should be more clarity on the situation soon, but this is not what anybody wants to see less than one week into the season.
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I imagine every player ever would find playing as the road team in their home stadium preferable to actually traveling for a road game. Sure, it's largely minimized in an empty stadium, but getting to stay home and not have to schlep to another stadium is still something I think just about anyone would welcome.
Actually, it was probably Atlanta that violated the protocols by not having adequate space for players to distance during the rain delays(and I guess they didn't try hard either). And in case you were not watching the Yankees games, they were not wearing masks, they were sitting right next to each other, they were high fiving or doing similar greetings. Miami was healthy when they left Florida as far as we know. They appear to have gotten infected after Atlanta and the Braves had a few players that became infected during that period.
Now two Miami players that tested positive have now tested negative. How does that work in two days? Did it just go away?
So IDK.....
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if these games are physically played in Washington isn't Toronto the "home" team (i.e. they bat last ) ?
I imagine every player ever would find playing as the road team in their home stadium preferable to actually traveling for a road game. Sure, it's largely minimized in an empty stadium, but getting to stay home and not have to schlep to another stadium is still something I think just about anyone would welcome.
I think they are doing this because their manager has been vocal about his fears given a heart condition... my view is they should keep him home on roadtrips if its that serious.
I'm not sure how much of an advantage they are getting, with no fans in the stadium and all...
Why not LA and all of California? What data and science are you using in that approach?
And Manfred said yesterday he expected their season to restart tomorrow. So its hard to take any of this seriously.
I'm not sure what your point it. Neither I, nor anyone else in this thread, said the burden of traveling to play a road game is something teams can't deal with or aren't accustomed to doing. But if you don't think it's a benefit for a team to get to play a road game at home instead of traveling to it, even in an empty house, I think you're being pretty silly.
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They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.
Actually, it was probably Atlanta that violated the protocols by not having adequate space for players to distance during the rain delays(and I guess they didn't try hard either). And in case you were not watching the Yankees games, they were not wearing masks, they were sitting right next to each other, they were high fiving or doing similar greetings. Miami was healthy when they left Florida as far as we know. They appear to have gotten infected after Atlanta and the Braves had a few players that became infected during that period.
Now two Miami players that tested positive have now tested negative. How does that work in two days? Did it just go away?
So IDK.....
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They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.
Actually, it was probably Atlanta that violated the protocols by not having adequate space for players to distance during the rain delays(and I guess they didn't try hard either). And in case you were not watching the Yankees games, they were not wearing masks, they were sitting right next to each other, they were high fiving or doing similar greetings. Miami was healthy when they left Florida as far as we know. They appear to have gotten infected after Atlanta and the Braves had a few players that became infected during that period.
Now two Miami players that tested positive have now tested negative. How does that work in two days? Did it just go away?
So IDK.....
Yeah, I heard that excuse. Its Atlanta's fault. I'm not buying it. They had an entire empty stadium to spread out into. The protocols are pretty clear that the only people that are supposed to be in the dugout are the players and coaches that are currently in the game. The bench players are supposed to be in the stands. But I guess they didn't want to get wet.
Well why the hell would they have to get wet? You dont find Atlanta at fault here? Odd take.
But the testing someone brought up above is an equal mess - apparently Soto has tested negative 6x since Thursday.. but still cant get cleared i guess because he's also testing positive sometimes too?
If they cant rely on these tests, then that's kind of a show stopper...
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Toronto has been banished from their true homes. I suspect they are living in hotels whether they are playing "home" games in Pittsburgh or if they're playing elsewhere. The entire NBA is playing on the road. They seem to be dealing with it.
I'm not sure what your point it. Neither I, nor anyone else in this thread, said the burden of traveling to play a road game is something teams can't deal with or aren't accustomed to doing. But if you don't think it's a benefit for a team to get to play a road game at home instead of traveling to it, even in an empty house, I think you're being pretty silly.
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as if they were Katrina cities. Yuu wouldn't force the players to go nor would you have the home teams forfeit.
Why not LA and all of California? What data and science are you using in that approach?
Add them too. Play everything in NY. I don't think they should have started in the first place but even if they did, I can't see punishing a team for not wanting to play in a biohazard zone.
Well why the hell would they have to get wet? You dont find Atlanta at fault here? Odd take.
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They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.
You're making a lot of accusations and assumptions in this post. I'm not sure what is real and what is exaggerated re: what Marlins have been doing relative to other teams. They likely picked this up in Atlanta last week by the way, and one of the Nats players Soto got this too... lets not make Miami out to be villains. That's not reasonable.
Martinez should stay home if he's "12" on a scale of 10 concerned. They can play without him, the league should move on without him. Take the year off if its that much of a personal concern.
My view is if they refuse to travel/play - you either shut the entire league down or you forfeit their weekend games. Think the latter is the better approach but i could see both responses.
I don't think it's fair to make Miami out to be the villains either. I'd rather just make the entire state of Florida out to be the villain, save for the few normal people down there that don't insist on pissing into the wind at every turn.
All of these states had months of horror stories from NYC to go on. And what did they do along with some leaders? They pissed right in everyone's face and laughed about it. It's all about the money? Yea, Fuck them.
I have a bridge to sell you if you honestly believe the florida culture didn't play a huge part in this.
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Well why the hell would they have to get wet? You dont find Atlanta at fault here? Odd take.
No I don't. Atlanta may be guilty of a minor logistical error but that does not excuse gross violations of COVID protocols by Miami. As a fan thats been caught in the rain in Yankee Stadium, I and thousands of other fans were able to scurry to some place where it was dry. A few dozen players couldn't do the same ? Did Mattingly even complain to Atlanta that there facilities were not in place ? Or did he just say "Fuck it"? It looks like the later. As of yesterday the positive percentage for the Miami Marlins was something like 33%. Its probably higher now. Thats higher than a meatpacking plant. I suspect that there was a lot of other carelessness and violations that have not been made public that occured prior to the trips to Atlanta or Philly.
Gee you think?
Of course this is the case.
So I don't see how MLB can deal with this if they truly are committed to not canceling the season.